Thanks for the information, Ruth! Brenda in Alabama

Amelia LAMAR (ABT 1810-1870), sister of Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR, Sr. and President M. B. LAMAR of TX, married John S. RANDLE (1804-1850). He was the son of John RANDLE, Esq. and Susannah COFFEE of Greene County, GA. John RANDLE was the son of James RANDLE II and Rosanna GRAVES of Hancock County, GA, formerly. John's brother, William Graves RANDLE, married Sarah C. COLEMAN, d/o Eden COLEMAN and Nancy Ann DANIEL and she was the sister of Cynthia A. COLEMAN who married James Hunter RALLS of Greensboro and they were the grandparents of Mary Lou HUNTER who married my grand uncle, Charles W. RICHTER, Jr. of Madison. A little close, here but I knew these families were all close, including the LAMARS, KNIGHTS, NISBETS and others. John's daughter, Sophronia Ann Roseanna RANDLE, married Mark Anthony COOPER, son of Thomas COOPER, Jr. and Judith HARVEY and grandson of Thomas COOPER, Sr. and Sarah ANTHONY. The ANTHONYS are a family I look at occasionally. Thomas COOPER's sister, Penelope COOPER (b. 1775) married James NISBET (1768-1832) of Athens, Clarke County, GA. They, like all of this other bunch are close. One of their daughters married a LECONT boy from Liberty County, GA and another LeCONTE married a niece of this bunch. I think the John NISBET b. 1789 who married a Harriett COOPER and lived in Athens is also out of this bunch but I cannot assign him to a parent. I also think the BIRD family tied to the LAMARS and the BIRDS tied to this NISBET bunch are part of one in the same Hancock County, GA family...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, I have not had a time to digest this information, yet, and will not until I get back Monday, but here they are: John WILLCOX, Jr. (1777-1852) of Chatham County, NC married a Mary LEA. Their son, John, III married Mary Jane DANIEL, d/o John DANIEL and Rebecca STEVENS of Dodge County, GA. Their son, General Mark Lea WILLCOX married Sarah Ann Elizabeth COFFEE, d/o General John E. COFFEE and Ann Penelope BRYAN. John COFFEE was the sister of Elizabeth who married Charles DANIEL of Greene County, GA. It gets better, Rebecca WILLCOX, the general's sister, married John Bryan COFFEE, the other general's oldest son. So, we see a very close attachment in the WILLCOX, COFFEE and DANIEL line, especially since James Stephens DANIEL, Mary Jane's brother, married Elizabeth WILLCOX,, Sarah DANIEL married George WILLCOX and they were both siblings of John, Rebecca and Mark. That's close, folks and indicates to me that John DANIEL RS and Rebecca STEPHENS family of Dodge County, GA is in some way related to the DANIELS of Greene County, GA. There may well be a LAMAR connection into this bunch. I noticed it this morning but lost it and cannot find it right now. Anyway, this whole bunch seems to be connected back to Liberty County, GA in one or more ways. Does anyone have any HARDEN information out of SC, early, especially for a General William HARDEN of SC of the Revolution or his brother, Thomas. There is a Thomas Hudson HARDEN. (1786-1821) who married a Matilda Amanda BAKER that I am also interested in. Their kids marry into the MAXWELL and LeCONTE families of Liberty County, GA and the HARDENS and MAXWELLS look like cousins since both are married to BAKERS. The LeCONTS and the QUATERMANS are collateral down in that area..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Noted. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > Robert, > I would take that stuff about Darien in this book with a grain of salt. > The followin is from a short history of McIntosh County, GA. Notice the > person you reference, John Mohr McINTOSH, is listed in this history as John > McIntosh MOHR. I assume a little name shortening, here, and not of the type > one generally puts in good, home made biscuits, either. <grin> The author > of this work on Baldwin County, GA also did not get the dates exact;u right > on when they got to what would later became Darien, GA. > I guess I have a little bit better sources than she had in 1925 and a > whole lot faster, too. <grin> The spaghetti analogy you mentioned may well > be due to the MOHR to McINTOSH conversion, as such seems to be the case. > <grin> > > <<< > Fort King George > > Fort King George, a mile east of present-day Darien, was the first English > settlement of coastal Georgia. The fort was established to deter French > expansion into the Altamaha region, as well as to assert British claims > against the Spanish who had maintained a string of missions along the lower > south Atlantic coast in the previous century. Fort King George served as a > "trip-wire." An attack by either France or Spain against the lonely outpost > would represent an act of war against England. > > The Georgia colony, when Fort King George was established in 1721, was a > dozen years from its birth. South Carolina claimed the coast down to 29 > degrees north latitude, just south of the Spanish stronghold of St. > Augustine. > > South Carolinians also wanted a fort to the south to aid in the protection > of their colony. A site was chosen on the first high ground on the north > branch of the Altamaha but, instead of strong young fighting men to garrison > the fort, the British government sent a regiment of invalid soldiers > instead. > > Colonel John Barnwell, an Irish settler who lobbied hard for the fort on > behalf of South Carolina interests, was appointed to lead the expedition to > the Altamaha and build the outpost he called "King George's Fort." > > Utlilizing South Carolina rangers and sawyers, including some slaves, > Barnwell oversaw the construction of a three-story cypress blockhouse in the > fall of 1721 at a total cost of about 1,000 pounds sterling. South > Carolinians, who regarded the Savannah River as the practical southern > boundary of their colony, now had some security with Fort King George > established 65 miles south of that river. > > Barnwell had chosen the site well from a military standpoint, but it was not > a healthy area, even by 18th century standards. In those days, the only way > to preserve meat was to thoroughly salt it. Salt meat tended to rot in hot, > damp weather, and nothing was known of the need for fresh fruits and > vegetables in the diet. Thus, the men were often sick. Fort King George had > a high death rate and burial ground just west of the blockhouse attests to > this. The garrison was largely idle as there was little action against the > French or Spanish, or their Indian allies. > > A fire in 1825 and a haphazard reconstruction of the barracks aftewards left > the fort in poor condition, and the garrison was withdrawn in 1727. Two > South Carolina rangers were kept on station at the site to keep an eye on > enemy movements in the area until 1734. Two years later, Oglethorpe's > Highlanders arrived to establish another military outpost on the site. > > The fate of the original Fort King George blockhouse is unknown. Since > Barnwell designed it to be easily dismantled, it might well have been moved > to another location. > In 1988, through a cooperative effort between the Lower Altamaha Historical > Society, which raised $50,000, and the Georgia Department of Natural > Resources, which maintains the site and provided matching funds, the Fort > King George blockhouse was reconstructed to the specifications of the > original plans by Barnwell. The present blockhouse and surrounding > palisades, earthworks and moat are almost an exact duplicate of the Fort as > it was in 1721 when Barnwell built it. > > The blockhouse, typical of other frontier fortifications in use in colonial > America, dominated the fort and offered expansive views of the inland > waterways. Fort King George's blockhouse had three floors: the first two > floors to serve as repository for ammunition and stores and to provide > firing positions for musket-bearing soldiers as well as naval carriage-type > cannon; and a third floor for musket defense and observation purposes. > > The Scots Highlanders Settle Darien > General James Edward Oglethorpe founded the new Georgia colony at Savannah > on February 12, 1733. He soon realized the need for military outposts to the > south to protect the main settlement at Savannah. The purpose of the Georgia > colony was largely military at first (as well as philanthropic). Thus, > Oglethorpe decided upon an outpost on the former site of Fort King George on > the Altamaha and a more elaborate fortification on St. Simons Island, a > short distance south of the Altamaha. > > In October 1735, a band of Highland Scots recruited from the vicinity of > Inverness, Scotland by Hugh Mackay and George Dunbar sailed from Inverness > on the Prince of Wales. In early January 1736, they arrived at Savannah and, > on Oglethorpe's orders, began making plans for settling at the mouth of the > Altamaha. > > On the 19th of January, after traveling down the inland waterway by boat, > the Highlanders landed at Barnwell's Bluff on the site of Fort King George. > There the Scots established the settlement they called Darien, in memory of > the ill-fated expedition made by their countrymen to the Isthmus of Darien > in Panama in 1697. There were 177 people in this hardy band of Scots, > including women and children, and they were led by John McIntosh Mohr and > Hugh Mackay. > > The men were trained Highland warriors, among the world's finest fighting > soldiers and especially selected by Oglethorpe for the purpose he had in > mind. The Highlanders emplaced cannon on the earthworks of Fort King George; > huts were built for the soldiers and those who had brought their families. A > small kirk was built for the purpose of holding divine services. The Scots > had brought their own minister, Rev. John McLeod of the Isle of Skye, > recently ordained by the Prebyterian congregation in Georgia. > > Captain Dunbar wrote to the Georgia Trustees: "The Scots have settled at > Barnwell's Bluff on the Altamaha and desire their town shall be called > Darien. > > On February 22, 1736, Oglethorpe made his first visit to Darien. The > occasion marked the first military parade of British troops to be held in > Georgia. In their honor, Oglethorpe wore the Highland habit. As they marched > in review before him, the Highlanders made an impressive sight in full > regalia, with claymore, side arms and targes (shields). > > In the summer of 1736, Oglethorpe again visited and on this occasion he laid > out the town of Darien on a high bluff overlooking the river about one mile > west of the Barnwell Bluff outpost. Here, Fort Darien was to be built; a > town was surveyed and town squares laid out with commons on the east and > north and acreage lots to the west of Fort King George. > > Late in 1739, the District of Darien was laid out, comprising an area > approximating that of present-day McIntosh County. For a time, the town of > Darien was called New Inverness to distinguish it from the District. > > The Birth of McIntosh County > After the Revolution, St. Andrew's Parish became a part of Liberty County > which had been created in 1777. > In 1793, McIntosh County was formed from Liberty, and the seat of government > was established at Sapelo Bridge. A courthouse was set up in the home of > John McIntosh, a parade ground was laid out for the local militia, and the > little town became a stopover point on the state route between Savannah, > Darien and St. Marys. > > After 1806, Darien began to experience rapid growth due to its favorable > position at the mouth of the Altamaha River, which gave the town great > potential as a port of export. > > The Altamaha was a primary conveyor from the Georgia interior. Great barges > and so-called "Oconee boxes" of cotton from the upcountry plantations were > floated down the Altamaha to Darien for shipment to northern and European > markets. By 1819, regular steamboat service had been established between > Darien and Milledgeville. Darien was becoming a cotton-exporting center of > significance, rivaling Savannah in importance>>> > >>> > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > To: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > John, > > > > As one McINTOSH researcher told me, unscrambling the McINTOSH lines in the > > colonial period of America is like following a single strand in a large > bowl > > of spaghetti without being able to move any of it. > > > > The History of Baldwin County, Georgia by Anna Maria Green Cook, 1925, > pages > > 361-2, provides this: "John Mohr McINTOSH, born in Badenoch, Scotland, in > > 1700, according to a record in his family Bible, "Took shipping on board > the > > "Prince of Wales," Capt. George DUNBAR, at Inverness, October 1735, with > > some hundred of sons for the new Colony of Georgia, came in at Tybee Bar > the > > beginning of January, 1736, and landed at Darien, on the Altamaha river, > the > > place of their destination, the 1st of February, same year." He married > > Marjory FRAZIER of Garthmore, 4th of March, 1724. They brought with them > > six children born in Scotland, Ann, called Nancy, being born in Georgia, > > 18th April, 1737. As Captain of the Highlanders, who came over with him, > > John McINTOSH joined Oglethorpe in fighting the Spanish in 1740-42, being > > also a member of the Provincial Assembly held in Savannah in 1751. His > > sons, William and Lachland, served in the Revolution, the first attaining > > the rank of Colonel, the second Major-General, so the family early won the > > sobriquet, "the fighting McIntoshes." > > > > This may settle who Major General Lachlan McINTOSH was. His sister, Ann > > "Nancy" married Robert BAILLIE, Esq. at Barrington in the late 1750s, and > > signed her name "ANN MACKINTOSH" in a letter to Robert. > > > > A Joseph was not named in the three MACKINTOSH pedigrees listed in the > cited > > History. > > > > The John McINTOSH of Stafford, later P.W., then Fairfax County, VA appears > > to have been established there when John Mohr McINTOSH arrived in GA in > > 1736. Lachlan is as common in most of the McINTOSH families as William, > > James, Martha and Elizabeth are in the DANIELs. All part of the same > > problem. > > > > Gadsden County, FL? In a great air traffic control term, "Hand off." > > > > Robert > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; "O'Daniel List" <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > Robert, > > > The one big McINTOSH line I carry is the one out of St. Andrews > > Parrish, > > > Berkeley County, South Carolina but it probably had links back to VA and > > NC; > > > a lot of these families had similar family links. I know also this > South > > > Carolina McINTOSH family had links to the FLETCHER family of Accomack > > > County, VA and Accomack is near your O'DANIEL bunch in Fairfax County, > VA, > > > isn't it? > > > The specific family I am referring to is Joseph McINTOSH (b. ABT > 1695) > > > of Berkeley County, South Carolina. He was married to am Elizabeth > > PERRYMAN > > > and the PERRYMAN family is also tied to the DANIELL family of > Charleston, > > as > > > I remember. > > > However, your Lachlan McIntosh bunch may tie to the MOORE family out > > of > > > Princess Anne County, VA because Lachlan is name in this MOORE family, > > some > > > of which migrated to NC with the MOYES. We also know this PA County, VA > > > MOORE family descended from Gov. James MOORE of SC. > > > The following is the children of William FLETCHER and Elizabeth > > > McINTOSH. Elizabeth (1729-1806) was the d/o Joseph, listed above. One > > son, > > > John FLETCHER (1765-1860) married Susannah MIZELL were they were the > > parents > > > of Zabud FLETCHER, Sr. (1807-1864) and two of his kids married DANEL > kids > > > down in the Gadsden County, FL. Another son, Joseph FLETCHER (1762-AFT > > 1850) > > > married Elizabeth LANIER and they migrated to Telfair County, GA. > > > > > > <<<< > > > Children > > > i. George Fletcher b: 28 DEC 1752 Marriage 1 Hollen Colson b: ABT. 1752 > > > Married: 1801 in Bulloch Co, GA > > > ii. John Fletcher b: in Charleston, SC Marriage 1 Susannah Mizzell b: in > > NC > > > iii. Frances Fletcher b: 1767 in SC Marriage 1 David McCall b: 1760 in > SC > > > iv. Joseph Fletcher , Sr. b: 1 SEP 1762 in Charleston, Charleston Co, SC > > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth Lanier b: 1784 in Duplin Co, NC > > > v. Ann "Nancy" Fletcher b: ABT. 1768 in Cheraw District, SC Marriage 1 > > > William McCall , Rev. Soldier b: ABT. 1766 in Pee Dee or Lynch's Creek, > > > Society Hill, SC Married: BEF. 1792 > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > > To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > Subject: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Sherlene, > > > > > > > > An interesting name combination. Where in VA was Daniel McINTOSH > born? > > > Who > > > > was his father? > > > > > > > > The family of John McINTOUSH/McINTOSH of Fairfax, VA included a wife, > > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN, and six children named in an abstract of his will > of > > > > 1769: Anne (m. John O'DANIEL), Catherine (unmarried by 1800), Valinder > > (m. > > > > Benjamin KING?), Lachlan (an executor of John O'DANIEL's will of > 1798), > > > > John, and Thomas. > > > > > > > > Helpful to you? > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sherlene Mats" <sherlene@netzero.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:10 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert, here's my McIntosh-Cherry connection: > > > > > Descendants of Daniel McIntosh > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > 1. Daniel1 McIntosh was born 1789 in VA. He married Clarissa. > > She > > > > > was born 1789 in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > > Children of Daniel McIntosh and Clarissa are: > > > > > + 2 i. Jesse2 McIntosh, born 1819 in Mississippi. > > > > > 3 ii. Jacob McIntosh, born 1827 in Mississippi. He > married > > > > > (1) Sarah Anthony January 29, 1846 in San Augustine, SanAugustine > Co., > > > > > TX. He married (2) Rebecca Lewis December 20, 1853. > > > > > + 4 iii. William McIntosh, born 1828 in Alabama; died > August > > > > > 04, 1863. > > > > > 5 iv. Hardy McIntosh. > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > > > 2. Jesse2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1819 in Mississippi. He > > > > > married Ellen Elizabeth Cherry April 13, 1846 in Nacogdoches Co., > TX, > > > > > daughter of John Cherry and Mitilda Bridges. She was born Bet. > 1829 - > > > > > 1831 in Texas, and died in Angelina Co., Texas. > > > > > > > > > > Children of Jesse McIntosh and Ellen Cherry are: > > > > > + 6 i. George Washington3 McIntosh, born February 03, 1849 > in > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died August 04, 1923 in Huntington, Angelina > Co., > > > > > Texas. > > > > > + 7 ii. Lucinda McIntosh, born 1854. > > > > > + 8 iii. Mary Jane McIntosh, born 1852. > > > > > 9 iv. Sarah Luvenia. > > > > > > > > > > 4. William2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1828 in Alabama, and > died > > > > > August 04, 1863. He married Lurana Jane Page January 10, 1852 in > > > > > Angelina Co., TX, daughter of Nehemiah Page and Elizabeth Crane. > She > > > > > was born July 30, 1836 in Hinds, Mississippi, and died February 16, > > 1908 > > > > > in Beulah, Angelina Co., TX. > > > > > > > > > > Children of William McIntosh and Lurana Page are: > > > > > 10 i. Elie C.3 McIntosh. > > > > > 11 ii. Micah McIntosh. > > > > > 12 iii. Nehemiah McIntosh, born December 05, 1852; died > > > > > December 03, 1863. > > > > > 13 iv. Mary Jane McIntosh, born October 18, 1856; died > July > > > > > 19, 1893. > > > > > 14 v. Rhoda Epsey McIntosh, born August 06, 1859; died > March > > > > 1870. > > > > > + 15 vi. Sarah Luvenia McIntosh, born December 18, 1861 in > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died March 31, 1899. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I cut it way down. I have them linked all the way to me. > > > > > John Cherry & Matilda Bridges were my ggg-grandparents. > > > > > Sherlene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Good Morning, Since we discussed this person several days ago, the following is a short bio on him. The conviction of this Methodist minister for killing his wife's 15 year old sister, may give us some insight into who was the William DANIEL who plead to the GA Senate for the life of this Methodist minister. The LAMARS were originally from Maryland but Judge LAMAR's line moved from Montgomery County, Maryland to the Columbia, Warren, Putnam and Jefferson County, GA areas. Quite a few of them, later, settled in the Milledgeville, Baldwin County, GA before moving to other locations. They were a well educated, affluent family of the highest degree of integrity, which I think is exemplified in the life and even the death of Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR, Sr.. <<< JUDGE LUCIUS QUINTUS CINCINNATUS LAMAR: b. 15 July 1797, d. Milledgeville, Ga., 4 July 1834; son of John Lamar and his cousin Rebecca Lamar, the sister of wealthy Milledgeville merchant Zachariah Lamar; brother of Mirabeau Buonaparte Lamar, second President of the Republic of Texas; brother of Loretta Lamar who married Congressman Absalom H. Chappell; in 1819 married Sarah Williamson Bird, daughter of Dr. Thompson Bird of Milledgeville; father of U.S. Senator and Supreme Court Justice Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus Lamar (Jr.); studied law in Milledgeville under Congressman Joel Crawford; compiled Georgia Reports 1810-20 under order of the Legislature; judge, Ocmulgee circuit, 1830. The youngest member of the Georgia judiciary, he was famed for his integrity and honesty. Judge Lamar presided over the murder trial of a local Methodist preacher who was charged with death of his wife's fifteen year old sister. Proclaiming his innocence, the minister was sentenced to hang. Several years later, in Mississippi, another condemned murderer confessed to the crime, and Judge Lamar, despondent that he had executed an innocent man, took his own life in his Milledgeville garden. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Jack, One would think their name was McINTOSH, since he was a Scottish Highlanders and the Mc is built into almost every name in the clan, one way or another, but stranger things have happened. Dr.'s E. Merton Coulter and Albert E. Saye were two of GA's premier historians and both were resident history professors at UGA. Dr. Saye was an old Madison, GA boy, his father was the superintendent of schools in Morgan County, GA, as I remember. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > John, I think that you have made another mistake here in assuming that your > book is better than the other one. It sure looks to me like the man's name > was John Mor McIntosh. Mor, which is galeic for "large" was later spelled > Mohr or Moore, or More. > > Here is his listing from A List of Early Settlers of Darien, Ga. 1735-1741 > (compiled by Bessie Lewis from (1) Colonial Records of Georgia (published > and unpublished), (2) A List of the Early Settlers of Georgia, edited by E. > Merton Coulter and Albert E. Saye, (3) Charleston County Wills, Charleston, > SC, (4) Mesne Conveyances, Charleston, SC, (5) Deed Records, Liberty Co., > GA. > > Mackintosh, John Mor, age 36, Gent. > " , Margaret* (*Marjorie Fraser), wife, age 30 > " , John, son age 8 > " , William, son, age 10 > " , Lachlan, son, age 9 > " , Phineas, son, age 3 > " , Lewis, son, age 14 mos. > " , Janet, dau. age 14 mos. > " , Ann, dau, born in Darien, in 1737 > " , George, son, born in Darien, 1739 > > > It is true that on some records he was listed as John McIntosh Moore or John > McIntosh M - but there were at least 4 or 5 men named John McIntosh who > came to Darien with Makay. Several of them had their middle names - or home > villages - listed after their last name to distinguish them one from another > . For example, when the settlers at Savannah petitioned for permission to > have slaves in 1739, the Scots at Darien sent a petition to Gen. Oglethorpe > asking that slaves not be allowed. The petition was signed by John > Mackintosh Moore - but look who signed right below him: John Mackintosh > Lynvulge. And look at these two early land grants: > > 11th Feb. 1757, John Mackintosh M, 150 acres of land in the district of > Darian, reg. 28th Feb. 1757 > > 11th Feb. 1757, John Mackintosh D, 434 acres in the District of Sappola, > reg. 28th Feb. 1757. > > I think that it was just a way of distinguishing between multiple men - > probably relatives - named John McIntosh. > > Here is a different listing for him: > MCINTOSH, CAPT. JOHN MOHR, 1700-1761, McIntosh Co., Ga. Capt. Highland Light > Infantry, under Gen. Oglethorpe, against the Spaniards, 1740. Wounded and > captured at Fort Moosa, Florida. > > This John McIntosh was the father of Lachlan McIntosh, the Rev. War General. > See: http://www.georgiamagazine.com/counties/chatham/tour/064i.htm > > Jack Butler > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > Robert, > > I would take that stuff about Darien in this book with a grain of > salt. > > The followin is from a short history of McIntosh County, GA. Notice the > > person you reference, John Mohr McINTOSH, is listed in this history as > John > > McIntosh MOHR. I assume a little name shortening, here, and not of the > type > > one generally puts in good, home made biscuits, either. <grin> The > author > > of this work on Baldwin County, GA also did not get the dates exact;u > right > > on when they got to what would later became Darien, GA. > > I guess I have a little bit better sources than she had in 1925 and a > > whole lot faster, too. <grin> The spaghetti analogy you mentioned may > well > > be due to the MOHR to McINTOSH conversion, as such seems to be the case. > > <grin> > > > > <<< > > Fort King George > > > > Fort King George, a mile east of present-day Darien, was the first English > > settlement of coastal Georgia. The fort was established to deter French > > expansion into the Altamaha region, as well as to assert British claims > > against the Spanish who had maintained a string of missions along the > lower > > south Atlantic coast in the previous century. Fort King George served as a > > "trip-wire." An attack by either France or Spain against the lonely > outpost > > would represent an act of war against England. > > > > The Georgia colony, when Fort King George was established in 1721, was a > > dozen years from its birth. South Carolina claimed the coast down to 29 > > degrees north latitude, just south of the Spanish stronghold of St. > > Augustine. > > > > South Carolinians also wanted a fort to the south to aid in the protection > > of their colony. A site was chosen on the first high ground on the north > > branch of the Altamaha but, instead of strong young fighting men to > garrison > > the fort, the British government sent a regiment of invalid soldiers > > instead. > > > > Colonel John Barnwell, an Irish settler who lobbied hard for the fort on > > behalf of South Carolina interests, was appointed to lead the expedition > to > > the Altamaha and build the outpost he called "King George's Fort." > > > > Utlilizing South Carolina rangers and sawyers, including some slaves, > > Barnwell oversaw the construction of a three-story cypress blockhouse in > the > > fall of 1721 at a total cost of about 1,000 pounds sterling. South > > Carolinians, who regarded the Savannah River as the practical southern > > boundary of their colony, now had some security with Fort King George > > established 65 miles south of that river. > > > > Barnwell had chosen the site well from a military standpoint, but it was > not > > a healthy area, even by 18th century standards. In those days, the only > way > > to preserve meat was to thoroughly salt it. Salt meat tended to rot in > hot, > > damp weather, and nothing was known of the need for fresh fruits and > > vegetables in the diet. Thus, the men were often sick. Fort King George > had > > a high death rate and burial ground just west of the blockhouse attests to > > this. The garrison was largely idle as there was little action against the > > French or Spanish, or their Indian allies. > > > > A fire in 1825 and a haphazard reconstruction of the barracks aftewards > left > > the fort in poor condition, and the garrison was withdrawn in 1727. Two > > South Carolina rangers were kept on station at the site to keep an eye on > > enemy movements in the area until 1734. Two years later, Oglethorpe's > > Highlanders arrived to establish another military outpost on the site. > > > > The fate of the original Fort King George blockhouse is unknown. Since > > Barnwell designed it to be easily dismantled, it might well have been > moved > > to another location. > > In 1988, through a cooperative effort between the Lower Altamaha > Historical > > Society, which raised $50,000, and the Georgia Department of Natural > > Resources, which maintains the site and provided matching funds, the Fort > > King George blockhouse was reconstructed to the specifications of the > > original plans by Barnwell. The present blockhouse and surrounding > > palisades, earthworks and moat are almost an exact duplicate of the Fort > as > > it was in 1721 when Barnwell built it. > > > > The blockhouse, typical of other frontier fortifications in use in > colonial > > America, dominated the fort and offered expansive views of the inland > > waterways. Fort King George's blockhouse had three floors: the first two > > floors to serve as repository for ammunition and stores and to provide > > firing positions for musket-bearing soldiers as well as naval > carriage-type > > cannon; and a third floor for musket defense and observation purposes. > > > > The Scots Highlanders Settle Darien > > General James Edward Oglethorpe founded the new Georgia colony at Savannah > > on February 12, 1733. He soon realized the need for military outposts to > the > > south to protect the main settlement at Savannah. The purpose of the > Georgia > > colony was largely military at first (as well as philanthropic). Thus, > > Oglethorpe decided upon an outpost on the former site of Fort King George > on > > the Altamaha and a more elaborate fortification on St. Simons Island, a > > short distance south of the Altamaha. > > > > In October 1735, a band of Highland Scots recruited from the vicinity of > > Inverness, Scotland by Hugh Mackay and George Dunbar sailed from Inverness > > on the Prince of Wales. In early January 1736, they arrived at Savannah > and, > > on Oglethorpe's orders, began making plans for settling at the mouth of > the > > Altamaha. > > > > On the 19th of January, after traveling down the inland waterway by boat, > > the Highlanders landed at Barnwell's Bluff on the site of Fort King > George. > > There the Scots established the settlement they called Darien, in memory > of > > the ill-fated expedition made by their countrymen to the Isthmus of Darien > > in Panama in 1697. There were 177 people in this hardy band of Scots, > > including women and children, and they were led by John McIntosh Mohr and > > Hugh Mackay. > > > > The men were trained Highland warriors, among the world's finest fighting > > soldiers and especially selected by Oglethorpe for the purpose he had in > > mind. The Highlanders emplaced cannon on the earthworks of Fort King > George; > > huts were built for the soldiers and those who had brought their families. > A > > small kirk was built for the purpose of holding divine services. The Scots > > had brought their own minister, Rev. John McLeod of the Isle of Skye, > > recently ordained by the Prebyterian congregation in Georgia. > > > > Captain Dunbar wrote to the Georgia Trustees: "The Scots have settled at > > Barnwell's Bluff on the Altamaha and desire their town shall be called > > Darien. > > > > On February 22, 1736, Oglethorpe made his first visit to Darien. The > > occasion marked the first military parade of British troops to be held in > > Georgia. In their honor, Oglethorpe wore the Highland habit. As they > marched > > in review before him, the Highlanders made an impressive sight in full > > regalia, with claymore, side arms and targes (shields). > > > > In the summer of 1736, Oglethorpe again visited and on this occasion he > laid > > out the town of Darien on a high bluff overlooking the river about one > mile > > west of the Barnwell Bluff outpost. Here, Fort Darien was to be built; a > > town was surveyed and town squares laid out with commons on the east and > > north and acreage lots to the west of Fort King George. > > > > Late in 1739, the District of Darien was laid out, comprising an area > > approximating that of present-day McIntosh County. For a time, the town of > > Darien was called New Inverness to distinguish it from the District. > > > > The Birth of McIntosh County > > After the Revolution, St. Andrew's Parish became a part of Liberty County > > which had been created in 1777. > > In 1793, McIntosh County was formed from Liberty, and the seat of > government > > was established at Sapelo Bridge. A courthouse was set up in the home of > > John McIntosh, a parade ground was laid out for the local militia, and the > > little town became a stopover point on the state route between Savannah, > > Darien and St. Marys. > > > > After 1806, Darien began to experience rapid growth due to its favorable > > position at the mouth of the Altamaha River, which gave the town great > > potential as a port of export. > > > > The Altamaha was a primary conveyor from the Georgia interior. Great > barges > > and so-called "Oconee boxes" of cotton from the upcountry plantations were > > floated down the Altamaha to Darien for shipment to northern and European > > markets. By 1819, regular steamboat service had been established between > > Darien and Milledgeville. Darien was becoming a cotton-exporting center of > > significance, rivaling Savannah in importance>>> > > >>> > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > To: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > As one McINTOSH researcher told me, unscrambling the McINTOSH lines in > the > > > colonial period of America is like following a single strand in a large > > bowl > > > of spaghetti without being able to move any of it. > > > > > > The History of Baldwin County, Georgia by Anna Maria Green Cook, 1925, > > pages > > > 361-2, provides this: "John Mohr McINTOSH, born in Badenoch, Scotland, > in > > > 1700, according to a record in his family Bible, "Took shipping on board > > the > > > "Prince of Wales," Capt. George DUNBAR, at Inverness, October 1735, with > > > some hundred of sons for the new Colony of Georgia, came in at Tybee Bar > > the > > > beginning of January, 1736, and landed at Darien, on the Altamaha river, > > the > > > place of their destination, the 1st of February, same year." He married > > > Marjory FRAZIER of Garthmore, 4th of March, 1724. They brought with > them > > > six children born in Scotland, Ann, called Nancy, being born in Georgia, > > > 18th April, 1737. As Captain of the Highlanders, who came over with > him, > > > John McINTOSH joined Oglethorpe in fighting the Spanish in 1740-42, > being > > > also a member of the Provincial Assembly held in Savannah in 1751. His > > > sons, William and Lachland, served in the Revolution, the first > attaining > > > the rank of Colonel, the second Major-General, so the family early won > the > > > sobriquet, "the fighting McIntoshes." > > > > > > This may settle who Major General Lachlan McINTOSH was. His sister, Ann > > > "Nancy" married Robert BAILLIE, Esq. at Barrington in the late 1750s, > and > > > signed her name "ANN MACKINTOSH" in a letter to Robert. > > > > > > A Joseph was not named in the three MACKINTOSH pedigrees listed in the > > cited > > > History. > > > > > > The John McINTOSH of Stafford, later P.W., then Fairfax County, VA > appears > > > to have been established there when John Mohr McINTOSH arrived in GA in > > > 1736. Lachlan is as common in most of the McINTOSH families as William, > > > James, Martha and Elizabeth are in the DANIELs. All part of the same > > > problem. > > > > > > Gadsden County, FL? In a great air traffic control term, "Hand off." > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; "O'Daniel List" <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > The one big McINTOSH line I carry is the one out of St. Andrews > > > Parrish, > > > > Berkeley County, South Carolina but it probably had links back to VA > and > > > NC; > > > > a lot of these families had similar family links. I know also this > > South > > > > Carolina McINTOSH family had links to the FLETCHER family of Accomack > > > > County, VA and Accomack is near your O'DANIEL bunch in Fairfax County, > > VA, > > > > isn't it? > > > > The specific family I am referring to is Joseph McINTOSH (b. ABT > > 1695) > > > > of Berkeley County, South Carolina. He was married to am Elizabeth > > > PERRYMAN > > > > and the PERRYMAN family is also tied to the DANIELL family of > > Charleston, > > > as > > > > I remember. > > > > However, your Lachlan McIntosh bunch may tie to the MOORE family > out > > > of > > > > Princess Anne County, VA because Lachlan is name in this MOORE family, > > > some > > > > of which migrated to NC with the MOYES. We also know this PA County, > VA > > > > MOORE family descended from Gov. James MOORE of SC. > > > > The following is the children of William FLETCHER and Elizabeth > > > > McINTOSH. Elizabeth (1729-1806) was the d/o Joseph, listed above. > One > > > son, > > > > John FLETCHER (1765-1860) married Susannah MIZELL were they were the > > > parents > > > > of Zabud FLETCHER, Sr. (1807-1864) and two of his kids married DANEL > > kids > > > > down in the Gadsden County, FL. Another son, Joseph FLETCHER (1762-AFT > > > 1850) > > > > married Elizabeth LANIER and they migrated to Telfair County, GA. > > > > > > > > <<<< > > > > Children > > > > i. George Fletcher b: 28 DEC 1752 Marriage 1 Hollen Colson b: ABT. > 1752 > > > > Married: 1801 in Bulloch Co, GA > > > > ii. John Fletcher b: in Charleston, SC Marriage 1 Susannah Mizzell b: > in > > > NC > > > > iii. Frances Fletcher b: 1767 in SC Marriage 1 David McCall b: 1760 in > > SC > > > > iv. Joseph Fletcher , Sr. b: 1 SEP 1762 in Charleston, Charleston Co, > SC > > > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth Lanier b: 1784 in Duplin Co, NC > > > > v. Ann "Nancy" Fletcher b: ABT. 1768 in Cheraw District, SC Marriage > 1 > > > > William McCall , Rev. Soldier b: ABT. 1766 in Pee Dee or Lynch's > Creek, > > > > Society Hill, SC Married: BEF. 1792 > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > > > To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > > Subject: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Sherlene, > > > > > > > > > > An interesting name combination. Where in VA was Daniel McINTOSH > > born? > > > > Who > > > > > was his father? > > > > > > > > > > The family of John McINTOUSH/McINTOSH of Fairfax, VA included a > wife, > > > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN, and six children named in an abstract of his will > > of > > > > > 1769: Anne (m. John O'DANIEL), Catherine (unmarried by 1800), > Valinder > > > (m. > > > > > Benjamin KING?), Lachlan (an executor of John O'DANIEL's will of > > 1798), > > > > > John, and Thomas. > > > > > > > > > > Helpful to you? > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sherlene Mats" <sherlene@netzero.net> > > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:10 PM > > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert, here's my McIntosh-Cherry connection: > > > > > > Descendants of Daniel McIntosh > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Daniel1 McIntosh was born 1789 in VA. He married > Clarissa. > > > She > > > > > > was born 1789 in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of Daniel McIntosh and Clarissa are: > > > > > > + 2 i. Jesse2 McIntosh, born 1819 in Mississippi. > > > > > > 3 ii. Jacob McIntosh, born 1827 in Mississippi. He > > married > > > > > > (1) Sarah Anthony January 29, 1846 in San Augustine, SanAugustine > > Co., > > > > > > TX. He married (2) Rebecca Lewis December 20, 1853. > > > > > > + 4 iii. William McIntosh, born 1828 in Alabama; died > > August > > > > > > 04, 1863. > > > > > > 5 iv. Hardy McIntosh. > > > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Jesse2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1819 in Mississippi. > He > > > > > > married Ellen Elizabeth Cherry April 13, 1846 in Nacogdoches Co., > > TX, > > > > > > daughter of John Cherry and Mitilda Bridges. She was born Bet. > > 1829 - > > > > > > 1831 in Texas, and died in Angelina Co., Texas. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of Jesse McIntosh and Ellen Cherry are: > > > > > > + 6 i. George Washington3 McIntosh, born February 03, > 1849 > > in > > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died August 04, 1923 in Huntington, Angelina > > Co., > > > > > > Texas. > > > > > > + 7 ii. Lucinda McIntosh, born 1854. > > > > > > + 8 iii. Mary Jane McIntosh, born 1852. > > > > > > 9 iv. Sarah Luvenia. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. William2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1828 in Alabama, and > > died > > > > > > August 04, 1863. He married Lurana Jane Page January 10, 1852 in > > > > > > Angelina Co., TX, daughter of Nehemiah Page and Elizabeth Crane. > > She > > > > > > was born July 30, 1836 in Hinds, Mississippi, and died February > 16, > > > 1908 > > > > > > in Beulah, Angelina Co., TX. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children of William McIntosh and Lurana Page are: > > > > > > 10 i. Elie C.3 McIntosh. > > > > > > 11 ii. Micah McIntosh. > > > > > > 12 iii. Nehemiah McIntosh, born December 05, 1852; died > > > > > > December 03, 1863. > > > > > > 13 iv. Mary Jane McIntosh, born October 18, 1856; died > > July > > > > > > 19, 1893. > > > > > > 14 v. Rhoda Epsey McIntosh, born August 06, 1859; died > > March > > > > > 1870. > > > > > > + 15 vi. Sarah Luvenia McIntosh, born December 18, 1861 > in > > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died March 31, 1899. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I cut it way down. I have them linked all the way to > me. > > > > > > John Cherry & Matilda Bridges were my ggg-grandparents. > > > > > > Sherlene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Johnie Franklin Daniel b.July 4, 1920 d. Dec.7, 2003. In Alma Ga. And is buried at Rose Hill Cemetery in Alma Ga. He Was A Great Man. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > John, > > As one McINTOSH researcher told me, unscrambling the McINTOSH lines in the > colonial period of America is like following a single strand in a large bowl > of spaghetti without being able to move any of it. > > The History of Baldwin County, Georgia by Anna Maria Green Cook, 1925, pages > 361-2, provides this: "John Mohr McINTOSH, born in Badenoch, Scotland, in > 1700, according to a record in his family Bible, "Took shipping on board the > "Prince of Wales," Capt. George DUNBAR, at Inverness, October 1735, with > some hundred of sons for the new Colony of Georgia, came in at Tybee Bar the > beginning of January, 1736, and landed at Darien, on the Altamaha river, the > place of their destination, the 1st of February, same year." He married > Marjory FRAZIER of Garthmore, 4th of March, 1724. They brought with them > six children born in Scotland, Ann, called Nancy, being born in Georgia, > 18th April, 1737. As Captain of the Highlanders, who came over with him, > John McINTOSH joined Oglethorpe in fighting the Spanish in 1740-42, being > also a member of the Provincial Assembly held in Savannah in 1751. His > sons, William and Lachland, served in the Revolution, the first attaining > the rank of Colonel, the second Major-General, so the family early won the > sobriquet, "the fighting McIntoshes." > > This may settle who Major General Lachlan McINTOSH was. His sister, Ann > "Nancy" married Robert BAILLIE, Esq. at Barrington in the late 1750s, and > signed her name "ANN MACKINTOSH" in a letter to Robert. > > A Joseph was not named in the three MACKINTOSH pedigrees listed in the cited > History. > > The John McINTOSH of Stafford, later P.W., then Fairfax County, VA appears > to have been established there when John Mohr McINTOSH arrived in GA in > 1736. Lachlan is as common in most of the McINTOSH families as William, > James, Martha and Elizabeth are in the DANIELs. All part of the same > problem. > > Gadsden County, FL? In a great air traffic control term, "Hand off." > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; "O'Daniel List" <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > Robert, > > The one big McINTOSH line I carry is the one out of St. Andrews > Parrish, > > Berkeley County, South Carolina but it probably had links back to VA and > NC; > > a lot of these families had similar family links. I know also this South > > Carolina McINTOSH family had links to the FLETCHER family of Accomack > > County, VA and Accomack is near your O'DANIEL bunch in Fairfax County, VA, > > isn't it? > > The specific family I am referring to is Joseph McINTOSH (b. ABT 1695) > > of Berkeley County, South Carolina. He was married to am Elizabeth > PERRYMAN > > and the PERRYMAN family is also tied to the DANIELL family of Charleston, > as > > I remember. > > However, your Lachlan McIntosh bunch may tie to the MOORE family out > of > > Princess Anne County, VA because Lachlan is name in this MOORE family, > some > > of which migrated to NC with the MOYES. We also know this PA County, VA > > MOORE family descended from Gov. James MOORE of SC. > > The following is the children of William FLETCHER and Elizabeth > > McINTOSH. Elizabeth (1729-1806) was the d/o Joseph, listed above. One > son, > > John FLETCHER (1765-1860) married Susannah MIZELL were they were the > parents > > of Zabud FLETCHER, Sr. (1807-1864) and two of his kids married DANEL kids > > down in the Gadsden County, FL. Another son, Joseph FLETCHER (1762-AFT > 1850) > > married Elizabeth LANIER and they migrated to Telfair County, GA. > > > > <<<< > > Children > > i. George Fletcher b: 28 DEC 1752 Marriage 1 Hollen Colson b: ABT. 1752 > > Married: 1801 in Bulloch Co, GA > > ii. John Fletcher b: in Charleston, SC Marriage 1 Susannah Mizzell b: in > NC > > iii. Frances Fletcher b: 1767 in SC Marriage 1 David McCall b: 1760 in SC > > iv. Joseph Fletcher , Sr. b: 1 SEP 1762 in Charleston, Charleston Co, SC > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth Lanier b: 1784 in Duplin Co, NC > > v. Ann "Nancy" Fletcher b: ABT. 1768 in Cheraw District, SC Marriage 1 > > William McCall , Rev. Soldier b: ABT. 1766 in Pee Dee or Lynch's Creek, > > Society Hill, SC Married: BEF. 1792 > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > Subject: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > Hi, Sherlene, > > > > > > An interesting name combination. Where in VA was Daniel McINTOSH born? > > Who > > > was his father? > > > > > > The family of John McINTOUSH/McINTOSH of Fairfax, VA included a wife, > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN, and six children named in an abstract of his will of > > > 1769: Anne (m. John O'DANIEL), Catherine (unmarried by 1800), Valinder > (m. > > > Benjamin KING?), Lachlan (an executor of John O'DANIEL's will of 1798), > > > John, and Thomas. > > > > > > Helpful to you? > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sherlene Mats" <sherlene@netzero.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:10 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > Robert, here's my McIntosh-Cherry connection: > > > > Descendants of Daniel McIntosh > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > 1. Daniel1 McIntosh was born 1789 in VA. He married Clarissa. > She > > > > was born 1789 in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > Children of Daniel McIntosh and Clarissa are: > > > > + 2 i. Jesse2 McIntosh, born 1819 in Mississippi. > > > > 3 ii. Jacob McIntosh, born 1827 in Mississippi. He married > > > > (1) Sarah Anthony January 29, 1846 in San Augustine, SanAugustine Co., > > > > TX. He married (2) Rebecca Lewis December 20, 1853. > > > > + 4 iii. William McIntosh, born 1828 in Alabama; died August > > > > 04, 1863. > > > > 5 iv. Hardy McIntosh. > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > 2. Jesse2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1819 in Mississippi. He > > > > married Ellen Elizabeth Cherry April 13, 1846 in Nacogdoches Co., TX, > > > > daughter of John Cherry and Mitilda Bridges. She was born Bet. 1829 - > > > > 1831 in Texas, and died in Angelina Co., Texas. > > > > > > > > Children of Jesse McIntosh and Ellen Cherry are: > > > > + 6 i. George Washington3 McIntosh, born February 03, 1849 in > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died August 04, 1923 in Huntington, Angelina Co., > > > > Texas. > > > > + 7 ii. Lucinda McIntosh, born 1854. > > > > + 8 iii. Mary Jane McIntosh, born 1852. > > > > 9 iv. Sarah Luvenia. > > > > > > > > 4. William2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1828 in Alabama, and died > > > > August 04, 1863. He married Lurana Jane Page January 10, 1852 in > > > > Angelina Co., TX, daughter of Nehemiah Page and Elizabeth Crane. She > > > > was born July 30, 1836 in Hinds, Mississippi, and died February 16, > 1908 > > > > in Beulah, Angelina Co., TX. > > > > > > > > Children of William McIntosh and Lurana Page are: > > > > 10 i. Elie C.3 McIntosh. > > > > 11 ii. Micah McIntosh. > > > > 12 iii. Nehemiah McIntosh, born December 05, 1852; died > > > > December 03, 1863. > > > > 13 iv. Mary Jane McIntosh, born October 18, 1856; died July > > > > 19, 1893. > > > > 14 v. Rhoda Epsey McIntosh, born August 06, 1859; died March > > > 1870. > > > > + 15 vi. Sarah Luvenia McIntosh, born December 18, 1861 in > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died March 31, 1899. > > > > > > > > Of course, I cut it way down. I have them linked all the way to me. > > > > John Cherry & Matilda Bridges were my ggg-grandparents. > > > > Sherlene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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John, I think that you have made another mistake here in assuming that your book is better than the other one. It sure looks to me like the man's name was John Mor McIntosh. Mor, which is galeic for "large" was later spelled Mohr or Moore, or More. Here is his listing from A List of Early Settlers of Darien, Ga. 1735-1741 (compiled by Bessie Lewis from (1) Colonial Records of Georgia (published and unpublished), (2) A List of the Early Settlers of Georgia, edited by E. Merton Coulter and Albert E. Saye, (3) Charleston County Wills, Charleston, SC, (4) Mesne Conveyances, Charleston, SC, (5) Deed Records, Liberty Co., GA. Mackintosh, John Mor, age 36, Gent. " , Margaret* (*Marjorie Fraser), wife, age 30 " , John, son age 8 " , William, son, age 10 " , Lachlan, son, age 9 " , Phineas, son, age 3 " , Lewis, son, age 14 mos. " , Janet, dau. age 14 mos. " , Ann, dau, born in Darien, in 1737 " , George, son, born in Darien, 1739 It is true that on some records he was listed as John McIntosh Moore or John McIntosh M - but there were at least 4 or 5 men named John McIntosh who came to Darien with Makay. Several of them had their middle names - or home villages - listed after their last name to distinguish them one from another . For example, when the settlers at Savannah petitioned for permission to have slaves in 1739, the Scots at Darien sent a petition to Gen. Oglethorpe asking that slaves not be allowed. The petition was signed by John Mackintosh Moore - but look who signed right below him: John Mackintosh Lynvulge. And look at these two early land grants: 11th Feb. 1757, John Mackintosh M, 150 acres of land in the district of Darian, reg. 28th Feb. 1757 11th Feb. 1757, John Mackintosh D, 434 acres in the District of Sappola, reg. 28th Feb. 1757. I think that it was just a way of distinguishing between multiple men - probably relatives - named John McIntosh. Here is a different listing for him: MCINTOSH, CAPT. JOHN MOHR, 1700-1761, McIntosh Co., Ga. Capt. Highland Light Infantry, under Gen. Oglethorpe, against the Spaniards, 1740. Wounded and captured at Fort Moosa, Florida. This John McIntosh was the father of Lachlan McIntosh, the Rev. War General. See: http://www.georgiamagazine.com/counties/chatham/tour/064i.htm Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > Robert, > I would take that stuff about Darien in this book with a grain of salt. > The followin is from a short history of McIntosh County, GA. Notice the > person you reference, John Mohr McINTOSH, is listed in this history as John > McIntosh MOHR. I assume a little name shortening, here, and not of the type > one generally puts in good, home made biscuits, either. <grin> The author > of this work on Baldwin County, GA also did not get the dates exact;u right > on when they got to what would later became Darien, GA. > I guess I have a little bit better sources than she had in 1925 and a > whole lot faster, too. <grin> The spaghetti analogy you mentioned may well > be due to the MOHR to McINTOSH conversion, as such seems to be the case. > <grin> > > <<< > Fort King George > > Fort King George, a mile east of present-day Darien, was the first English > settlement of coastal Georgia. The fort was established to deter French > expansion into the Altamaha region, as well as to assert British claims > against the Spanish who had maintained a string of missions along the lower > south Atlantic coast in the previous century. Fort King George served as a > "trip-wire." An attack by either France or Spain against the lonely outpost > would represent an act of war against England. > > The Georgia colony, when Fort King George was established in 1721, was a > dozen years from its birth. South Carolina claimed the coast down to 29 > degrees north latitude, just south of the Spanish stronghold of St. > Augustine. > > South Carolinians also wanted a fort to the south to aid in the protection > of their colony. A site was chosen on the first high ground on the north > branch of the Altamaha but, instead of strong young fighting men to garrison > the fort, the British government sent a regiment of invalid soldiers > instead. > > Colonel John Barnwell, an Irish settler who lobbied hard for the fort on > behalf of South Carolina interests, was appointed to lead the expedition to > the Altamaha and build the outpost he called "King George's Fort." > > Utlilizing South Carolina rangers and sawyers, including some slaves, > Barnwell oversaw the construction of a three-story cypress blockhouse in the > fall of 1721 at a total cost of about 1,000 pounds sterling. South > Carolinians, who regarded the Savannah River as the practical southern > boundary of their colony, now had some security with Fort King George > established 65 miles south of that river. > > Barnwell had chosen the site well from a military standpoint, but it was not > a healthy area, even by 18th century standards. In those days, the only way > to preserve meat was to thoroughly salt it. Salt meat tended to rot in hot, > damp weather, and nothing was known of the need for fresh fruits and > vegetables in the diet. Thus, the men were often sick. Fort King George had > a high death rate and burial ground just west of the blockhouse attests to > this. The garrison was largely idle as there was little action against the > French or Spanish, or their Indian allies. > > A fire in 1825 and a haphazard reconstruction of the barracks aftewards left > the fort in poor condition, and the garrison was withdrawn in 1727. Two > South Carolina rangers were kept on station at the site to keep an eye on > enemy movements in the area until 1734. Two years later, Oglethorpe's > Highlanders arrived to establish another military outpost on the site. > > The fate of the original Fort King George blockhouse is unknown. Since > Barnwell designed it to be easily dismantled, it might well have been moved > to another location. > In 1988, through a cooperative effort between the Lower Altamaha Historical > Society, which raised $50,000, and the Georgia Department of Natural > Resources, which maintains the site and provided matching funds, the Fort > King George blockhouse was reconstructed to the specifications of the > original plans by Barnwell. The present blockhouse and surrounding > palisades, earthworks and moat are almost an exact duplicate of the Fort as > it was in 1721 when Barnwell built it. > > The blockhouse, typical of other frontier fortifications in use in colonial > America, dominated the fort and offered expansive views of the inland > waterways. Fort King George's blockhouse had three floors: the first two > floors to serve as repository for ammunition and stores and to provide > firing positions for musket-bearing soldiers as well as naval carriage-type > cannon; and a third floor for musket defense and observation purposes. > > The Scots Highlanders Settle Darien > General James Edward Oglethorpe founded the new Georgia colony at Savannah > on February 12, 1733. He soon realized the need for military outposts to the > south to protect the main settlement at Savannah. The purpose of the Georgia > colony was largely military at first (as well as philanthropic). Thus, > Oglethorpe decided upon an outpost on the former site of Fort King George on > the Altamaha and a more elaborate fortification on St. Simons Island, a > short distance south of the Altamaha. > > In October 1735, a band of Highland Scots recruited from the vicinity of > Inverness, Scotland by Hugh Mackay and George Dunbar sailed from Inverness > on the Prince of Wales. In early January 1736, they arrived at Savannah and, > on Oglethorpe's orders, began making plans for settling at the mouth of the > Altamaha. > > On the 19th of January, after traveling down the inland waterway by boat, > the Highlanders landed at Barnwell's Bluff on the site of Fort King George. > There the Scots established the settlement they called Darien, in memory of > the ill-fated expedition made by their countrymen to the Isthmus of Darien > in Panama in 1697. There were 177 people in this hardy band of Scots, > including women and children, and they were led by John McIntosh Mohr and > Hugh Mackay. > > The men were trained Highland warriors, among the world's finest fighting > soldiers and especially selected by Oglethorpe for the purpose he had in > mind. The Highlanders emplaced cannon on the earthworks of Fort King George; > huts were built for the soldiers and those who had brought their families. A > small kirk was built for the purpose of holding divine services. The Scots > had brought their own minister, Rev. John McLeod of the Isle of Skye, > recently ordained by the Prebyterian congregation in Georgia. > > Captain Dunbar wrote to the Georgia Trustees: "The Scots have settled at > Barnwell's Bluff on the Altamaha and desire their town shall be called > Darien. > > On February 22, 1736, Oglethorpe made his first visit to Darien. The > occasion marked the first military parade of British troops to be held in > Georgia. In their honor, Oglethorpe wore the Highland habit. As they marched > in review before him, the Highlanders made an impressive sight in full > regalia, with claymore, side arms and targes (shields). > > In the summer of 1736, Oglethorpe again visited and on this occasion he laid > out the town of Darien on a high bluff overlooking the river about one mile > west of the Barnwell Bluff outpost. Here, Fort Darien was to be built; a > town was surveyed and town squares laid out with commons on the east and > north and acreage lots to the west of Fort King George. > > Late in 1739, the District of Darien was laid out, comprising an area > approximating that of present-day McIntosh County. For a time, the town of > Darien was called New Inverness to distinguish it from the District. > > The Birth of McIntosh County > After the Revolution, St. Andrew's Parish became a part of Liberty County > which had been created in 1777. > In 1793, McIntosh County was formed from Liberty, and the seat of government > was established at Sapelo Bridge. A courthouse was set up in the home of > John McIntosh, a parade ground was laid out for the local militia, and the > little town became a stopover point on the state route between Savannah, > Darien and St. Marys. > > After 1806, Darien began to experience rapid growth due to its favorable > position at the mouth of the Altamaha River, which gave the town great > potential as a port of export. > > The Altamaha was a primary conveyor from the Georgia interior. Great barges > and so-called "Oconee boxes" of cotton from the upcountry plantations were > floated down the Altamaha to Darien for shipment to northern and European > markets. By 1819, regular steamboat service had been established between > Darien and Milledgeville. Darien was becoming a cotton-exporting center of > significance, rivaling Savannah in importance>>> > >>> > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > To: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > John, > > > > As one McINTOSH researcher told me, unscrambling the McINTOSH lines in the > > colonial period of America is like following a single strand in a large > bowl > > of spaghetti without being able to move any of it. > > > > The History of Baldwin County, Georgia by Anna Maria Green Cook, 1925, > pages > > 361-2, provides this: "John Mohr McINTOSH, born in Badenoch, Scotland, in > > 1700, according to a record in his family Bible, "Took shipping on board > the > > "Prince of Wales," Capt. George DUNBAR, at Inverness, October 1735, with > > some hundred of sons for the new Colony of Georgia, came in at Tybee Bar > the > > beginning of January, 1736, and landed at Darien, on the Altamaha river, > the > > place of their destination, the 1st of February, same year." He married > > Marjory FRAZIER of Garthmore, 4th of March, 1724. They brought with them > > six children born in Scotland, Ann, called Nancy, being born in Georgia, > > 18th April, 1737. As Captain of the Highlanders, who came over with him, > > John McINTOSH joined Oglethorpe in fighting the Spanish in 1740-42, being > > also a member of the Provincial Assembly held in Savannah in 1751. His > > sons, William and Lachland, served in the Revolution, the first attaining > > the rank of Colonel, the second Major-General, so the family early won the > > sobriquet, "the fighting McIntoshes." > > > > This may settle who Major General Lachlan McINTOSH was. His sister, Ann > > "Nancy" married Robert BAILLIE, Esq. at Barrington in the late 1750s, and > > signed her name "ANN MACKINTOSH" in a letter to Robert. > > > > A Joseph was not named in the three MACKINTOSH pedigrees listed in the > cited > > History. > > > > The John McINTOSH of Stafford, later P.W., then Fairfax County, VA appears > > to have been established there when John Mohr McINTOSH arrived in GA in > > 1736. Lachlan is as common in most of the McINTOSH families as William, > > James, Martha and Elizabeth are in the DANIELs. All part of the same > > problem. > > > > Gadsden County, FL? In a great air traffic control term, "Hand off." > > > > Robert > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; "O'Daniel List" <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > Robert, > > > The one big McINTOSH line I carry is the one out of St. Andrews > > Parrish, > > > Berkeley County, South Carolina but it probably had links back to VA and > > NC; > > > a lot of these families had similar family links. I know also this > South > > > Carolina McINTOSH family had links to the FLETCHER family of Accomack > > > County, VA and Accomack is near your O'DANIEL bunch in Fairfax County, > VA, > > > isn't it? > > > The specific family I am referring to is Joseph McINTOSH (b. ABT > 1695) > > > of Berkeley County, South Carolina. He was married to am Elizabeth > > PERRYMAN > > > and the PERRYMAN family is also tied to the DANIELL family of > Charleston, > > as > > > I remember. > > > However, your Lachlan McIntosh bunch may tie to the MOORE family out > > of > > > Princess Anne County, VA because Lachlan is name in this MOORE family, > > some > > > of which migrated to NC with the MOYES. We also know this PA County, VA > > > MOORE family descended from Gov. James MOORE of SC. > > > The following is the children of William FLETCHER and Elizabeth > > > McINTOSH. Elizabeth (1729-1806) was the d/o Joseph, listed above. One > > son, > > > John FLETCHER (1765-1860) married Susannah MIZELL were they were the > > parents > > > of Zabud FLETCHER, Sr. (1807-1864) and two of his kids married DANEL > kids > > > down in the Gadsden County, FL. Another son, Joseph FLETCHER (1762-AFT > > 1850) > > > married Elizabeth LANIER and they migrated to Telfair County, GA. > > > > > > <<<< > > > Children > > > i. George Fletcher b: 28 DEC 1752 Marriage 1 Hollen Colson b: ABT. 1752 > > > Married: 1801 in Bulloch Co, GA > > > ii. John Fletcher b: in Charleston, SC Marriage 1 Susannah Mizzell b: in > > NC > > > iii. Frances Fletcher b: 1767 in SC Marriage 1 David McCall b: 1760 in > SC > > > iv. Joseph Fletcher , Sr. b: 1 SEP 1762 in Charleston, Charleston Co, SC > > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth Lanier b: 1784 in Duplin Co, NC > > > v. Ann "Nancy" Fletcher b: ABT. 1768 in Cheraw District, SC Marriage 1 > > > William McCall , Rev. Soldier b: ABT. 1766 in Pee Dee or Lynch's Creek, > > > Society Hill, SC Married: BEF. 1792 > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > > To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > Subject: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Sherlene, > > > > > > > > An interesting name combination. Where in VA was Daniel McINTOSH > born? > > > Who > > > > was his father? > > > > > > > > The family of John McINTOUSH/McINTOSH of Fairfax, VA included a wife, > > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN, and six children named in an abstract of his will > of > > > > 1769: Anne (m. John O'DANIEL), Catherine (unmarried by 1800), Valinder > > (m. > > > > Benjamin KING?), Lachlan (an executor of John O'DANIEL's will of > 1798), > > > > John, and Thomas. > > > > > > > > Helpful to you? > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sherlene Mats" <sherlene@netzero.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:10 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert, here's my McIntosh-Cherry connection: > > > > > Descendants of Daniel McIntosh > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > 1. Daniel1 McIntosh was born 1789 in VA. He married Clarissa. > > She > > > > > was born 1789 in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > > > Children of Daniel McIntosh and Clarissa are: > > > > > + 2 i. Jesse2 McIntosh, born 1819 in Mississippi. > > > > > 3 ii. Jacob McIntosh, born 1827 in Mississippi. He > married > > > > > (1) Sarah Anthony January 29, 1846 in San Augustine, SanAugustine > Co., > > > > > TX. He married (2) Rebecca Lewis December 20, 1853. > > > > > + 4 iii. William McIntosh, born 1828 in Alabama; died > August > > > > > 04, 1863. > > > > > 5 iv. Hardy McIntosh. > > > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > > > 2. Jesse2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1819 in Mississippi. He > > > > > married Ellen Elizabeth Cherry April 13, 1846 in Nacogdoches Co., > TX, > > > > > daughter of John Cherry and Mitilda Bridges. She was born Bet. > 1829 - > > > > > 1831 in Texas, and died in Angelina Co., Texas. > > > > > > > > > > Children of Jesse McIntosh and Ellen Cherry are: > > > > > + 6 i. George Washington3 McIntosh, born February 03, 1849 > in > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died August 04, 1923 in Huntington, Angelina > Co., > > > > > Texas. > > > > > + 7 ii. Lucinda McIntosh, born 1854. > > > > > + 8 iii. Mary Jane McIntosh, born 1852. > > > > > 9 iv. Sarah Luvenia. > > > > > > > > > > 4. William2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1828 in Alabama, and > died > > > > > August 04, 1863. He married Lurana Jane Page January 10, 1852 in > > > > > Angelina Co., TX, daughter of Nehemiah Page and Elizabeth Crane. > She > > > > > was born July 30, 1836 in Hinds, Mississippi, and died February 16, > > 1908 > > > > > in Beulah, Angelina Co., TX. > > > > > > > > > > Children of William McIntosh and Lurana Page are: > > > > > 10 i. Elie C.3 McIntosh. > > > > > 11 ii. Micah McIntosh. > > > > > 12 iii. Nehemiah McIntosh, born December 05, 1852; died > > > > > December 03, 1863. > > > > > 13 iv. Mary Jane McIntosh, born October 18, 1856; died > July > > > > > 19, 1893. > > > > > 14 v. Rhoda Epsey McIntosh, born August 06, 1859; died > March > > > > 1870. > > > > > + 15 vi. Sarah Luvenia McIntosh, born December 18, 1861 in > > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died March 31, 1899. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I cut it way down. I have them linked all the way to me. > > > > > John Cherry & Matilda Bridges were my ggg-grandparents. > > > > > Sherlene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Robert, I would take that stuff about Darien in this book with a grain of salt. The followin is from a short history of McIntosh County, GA. Notice the person you reference, John Mohr McINTOSH, is listed in this history as John McIntosh MOHR. I assume a little name shortening, here, and not of the type one generally puts in good, home made biscuits, either. <grin> The author of this work on Baldwin County, GA also did not get the dates exact;u right on when they got to what would later became Darien, GA. I guess I have a little bit better sources than she had in 1925 and a whole lot faster, too. <grin> The spaghetti analogy you mentioned may well be due to the MOHR to McINTOSH conversion, as such seems to be the case. <grin> <<< Fort King George Fort King George, a mile east of present-day Darien, was the first English settlement of coastal Georgia. The fort was established to deter French expansion into the Altamaha region, as well as to assert British claims against the Spanish who had maintained a string of missions along the lower south Atlantic coast in the previous century. Fort King George served as a "trip-wire." An attack by either France or Spain against the lonely outpost would represent an act of war against England. The Georgia colony, when Fort King George was established in 1721, was a dozen years from its birth. South Carolina claimed the coast down to 29 degrees north latitude, just south of the Spanish stronghold of St. Augustine. South Carolinians also wanted a fort to the south to aid in the protection of their colony. A site was chosen on the first high ground on the north branch of the Altamaha but, instead of strong young fighting men to garrison the fort, the British government sent a regiment of invalid soldiers instead. Colonel John Barnwell, an Irish settler who lobbied hard for the fort on behalf of South Carolina interests, was appointed to lead the expedition to the Altamaha and build the outpost he called "King George's Fort." Utlilizing South Carolina rangers and sawyers, including some slaves, Barnwell oversaw the construction of a three-story cypress blockhouse in the fall of 1721 at a total cost of about 1,000 pounds sterling. South Carolinians, who regarded the Savannah River as the practical southern boundary of their colony, now had some security with Fort King George established 65 miles south of that river. Barnwell had chosen the site well from a military standpoint, but it was not a healthy area, even by 18th century standards. In those days, the only way to preserve meat was to thoroughly salt it. Salt meat tended to rot in hot, damp weather, and nothing was known of the need for fresh fruits and vegetables in the diet. Thus, the men were often sick. Fort King George had a high death rate and burial ground just west of the blockhouse attests to this. The garrison was largely idle as there was little action against the French or Spanish, or their Indian allies. A fire in 1825 and a haphazard reconstruction of the barracks aftewards left the fort in poor condition, and the garrison was withdrawn in 1727. Two South Carolina rangers were kept on station at the site to keep an eye on enemy movements in the area until 1734. Two years later, Oglethorpe's Highlanders arrived to establish another military outpost on the site. The fate of the original Fort King George blockhouse is unknown. Since Barnwell designed it to be easily dismantled, it might well have been moved to another location. In 1988, through a cooperative effort between the Lower Altamaha Historical Society, which raised $50,000, and the Georgia Department of Natural Resources, which maintains the site and provided matching funds, the Fort King George blockhouse was reconstructed to the specifications of the original plans by Barnwell. The present blockhouse and surrounding palisades, earthworks and moat are almost an exact duplicate of the Fort as it was in 1721 when Barnwell built it. The blockhouse, typical of other frontier fortifications in use in colonial America, dominated the fort and offered expansive views of the inland waterways. Fort King George's blockhouse had three floors: the first two floors to serve as repository for ammunition and stores and to provide firing positions for musket-bearing soldiers as well as naval carriage-type cannon; and a third floor for musket defense and observation purposes. The Scots Highlanders Settle Darien General James Edward Oglethorpe founded the new Georgia colony at Savannah on February 12, 1733. He soon realized the need for military outposts to the south to protect the main settlement at Savannah. The purpose of the Georgia colony was largely military at first (as well as philanthropic). Thus, Oglethorpe decided upon an outpost on the former site of Fort King George on the Altamaha and a more elaborate fortification on St. Simons Island, a short distance south of the Altamaha. In October 1735, a band of Highland Scots recruited from the vicinity of Inverness, Scotland by Hugh Mackay and George Dunbar sailed from Inverness on the Prince of Wales. In early January 1736, they arrived at Savannah and, on Oglethorpe's orders, began making plans for settling at the mouth of the Altamaha. On the 19th of January, after traveling down the inland waterway by boat, the Highlanders landed at Barnwell's Bluff on the site of Fort King George. There the Scots established the settlement they called Darien, in memory of the ill-fated expedition made by their countrymen to the Isthmus of Darien in Panama in 1697. There were 177 people in this hardy band of Scots, including women and children, and they were led by John McIntosh Mohr and Hugh Mackay. The men were trained Highland warriors, among the world's finest fighting soldiers and especially selected by Oglethorpe for the purpose he had in mind. The Highlanders emplaced cannon on the earthworks of Fort King George; huts were built for the soldiers and those who had brought their families. A small kirk was built for the purpose of holding divine services. The Scots had brought their own minister, Rev. John McLeod of the Isle of Skye, recently ordained by the Prebyterian congregation in Georgia. Captain Dunbar wrote to the Georgia Trustees: "The Scots have settled at Barnwell's Bluff on the Altamaha and desire their town shall be called Darien. On February 22, 1736, Oglethorpe made his first visit to Darien. The occasion marked the first military parade of British troops to be held in Georgia. In their honor, Oglethorpe wore the Highland habit. As they marched in review before him, the Highlanders made an impressive sight in full regalia, with claymore, side arms and targes (shields). In the summer of 1736, Oglethorpe again visited and on this occasion he laid out the town of Darien on a high bluff overlooking the river about one mile west of the Barnwell Bluff outpost. Here, Fort Darien was to be built; a town was surveyed and town squares laid out with commons on the east and north and acreage lots to the west of Fort King George. Late in 1739, the District of Darien was laid out, comprising an area approximating that of present-day McIntosh County. For a time, the town of Darien was called New Inverness to distinguish it from the District. The Birth of McIntosh County After the Revolution, St. Andrew's Parish became a part of Liberty County which had been created in 1777. In 1793, McIntosh County was formed from Liberty, and the seat of government was established at Sapelo Bridge. A courthouse was set up in the home of John McIntosh, a parade ground was laid out for the local militia, and the little town became a stopover point on the state route between Savannah, Darien and St. Marys. After 1806, Darien began to experience rapid growth due to its favorable position at the mouth of the Altamaha River, which gave the town great potential as a port of export. The Altamaha was a primary conveyor from the Georgia interior. Great barges and so-called "Oconee boxes" of cotton from the upcountry plantations were floated down the Altamaha to Darien for shipment to northern and European markets. By 1819, regular steamboat service had been established between Darien and Milledgeville. Darien was becoming a cotton-exporting center of significance, rivaling Savannah in importance>>> >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > John, > > As one McINTOSH researcher told me, unscrambling the McINTOSH lines in the > colonial period of America is like following a single strand in a large bowl > of spaghetti without being able to move any of it. > > The History of Baldwin County, Georgia by Anna Maria Green Cook, 1925, pages > 361-2, provides this: "John Mohr McINTOSH, born in Badenoch, Scotland, in > 1700, according to a record in his family Bible, "Took shipping on board the > "Prince of Wales," Capt. George DUNBAR, at Inverness, October 1735, with > some hundred of sons for the new Colony of Georgia, came in at Tybee Bar the > beginning of January, 1736, and landed at Darien, on the Altamaha river, the > place of their destination, the 1st of February, same year." He married > Marjory FRAZIER of Garthmore, 4th of March, 1724. They brought with them > six children born in Scotland, Ann, called Nancy, being born in Georgia, > 18th April, 1737. As Captain of the Highlanders, who came over with him, > John McINTOSH joined Oglethorpe in fighting the Spanish in 1740-42, being > also a member of the Provincial Assembly held in Savannah in 1751. His > sons, William and Lachland, served in the Revolution, the first attaining > the rank of Colonel, the second Major-General, so the family early won the > sobriquet, "the fighting McIntoshes." > > This may settle who Major General Lachlan McINTOSH was. His sister, Ann > "Nancy" married Robert BAILLIE, Esq. at Barrington in the late 1750s, and > signed her name "ANN MACKINTOSH" in a letter to Robert. > > A Joseph was not named in the three MACKINTOSH pedigrees listed in the cited > History. > > The John McINTOSH of Stafford, later P.W., then Fairfax County, VA appears > to have been established there when John Mohr McINTOSH arrived in GA in > 1736. Lachlan is as common in most of the McINTOSH families as William, > James, Martha and Elizabeth are in the DANIELs. All part of the same > problem. > > Gadsden County, FL? In a great air traffic control term, "Hand off." > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > Cc: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com>; "O'Daniel List" <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > Robert, > > The one big McINTOSH line I carry is the one out of St. Andrews > Parrish, > > Berkeley County, South Carolina but it probably had links back to VA and > NC; > > a lot of these families had similar family links. I know also this South > > Carolina McINTOSH family had links to the FLETCHER family of Accomack > > County, VA and Accomack is near your O'DANIEL bunch in Fairfax County, VA, > > isn't it? > > The specific family I am referring to is Joseph McINTOSH (b. ABT 1695) > > of Berkeley County, South Carolina. He was married to am Elizabeth > PERRYMAN > > and the PERRYMAN family is also tied to the DANIELL family of Charleston, > as > > I remember. > > However, your Lachlan McIntosh bunch may tie to the MOORE family out > of > > Princess Anne County, VA because Lachlan is name in this MOORE family, > some > > of which migrated to NC with the MOYES. We also know this PA County, VA > > MOORE family descended from Gov. James MOORE of SC. > > The following is the children of William FLETCHER and Elizabeth > > McINTOSH. Elizabeth (1729-1806) was the d/o Joseph, listed above. One > son, > > John FLETCHER (1765-1860) married Susannah MIZELL were they were the > parents > > of Zabud FLETCHER, Sr. (1807-1864) and two of his kids married DANEL kids > > down in the Gadsden County, FL. Another son, Joseph FLETCHER (1762-AFT > 1850) > > married Elizabeth LANIER and they migrated to Telfair County, GA. > > > > <<<< > > Children > > i. George Fletcher b: 28 DEC 1752 Marriage 1 Hollen Colson b: ABT. 1752 > > Married: 1801 in Bulloch Co, GA > > ii. John Fletcher b: in Charleston, SC Marriage 1 Susannah Mizzell b: in > NC > > iii. Frances Fletcher b: 1767 in SC Marriage 1 David McCall b: 1760 in SC > > iv. Joseph Fletcher , Sr. b: 1 SEP 1762 in Charleston, Charleston Co, SC > > Marriage 1 Elizabeth Lanier b: 1784 in Duplin Co, NC > > v. Ann "Nancy" Fletcher b: ABT. 1768 in Cheraw District, SC Marriage 1 > > William McCall , Rev. Soldier b: ABT. 1766 in Pee Dee or Lynch's Creek, > > Society Hill, SC Married: BEF. 1792 > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> > > To: <ODANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > Subject: [O'DANIEL-L] Re: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > Hi, Sherlene, > > > > > > An interesting name combination. Where in VA was Daniel McINTOSH born? > > Who > > > was his father? > > > > > > The family of John McINTOUSH/McINTOSH of Fairfax, VA included a wife, > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN, and six children named in an abstract of his will of > > > 1769: Anne (m. John O'DANIEL), Catherine (unmarried by 1800), Valinder > (m. > > > Benjamin KING?), Lachlan (an executor of John O'DANIEL's will of 1798), > > > John, and Thomas. > > > > > > Helpful to you? > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sherlene Mats" <sherlene@netzero.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:10 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] McIntosh-Cherry > > > > > > > > > > Robert, here's my McIntosh-Cherry connection: > > > > Descendants of Daniel McIntosh > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > > > 1. Daniel1 McIntosh was born 1789 in VA. He married Clarissa. > She > > > > was born 1789 in North Carolina. > > > > > > > > Children of Daniel McIntosh and Clarissa are: > > > > + 2 i. Jesse2 McIntosh, born 1819 in Mississippi. > > > > 3 ii. Jacob McIntosh, born 1827 in Mississippi. He married > > > > (1) Sarah Anthony January 29, 1846 in San Augustine, SanAugustine Co., > > > > TX. He married (2) Rebecca Lewis December 20, 1853. > > > > + 4 iii. William McIntosh, born 1828 in Alabama; died August > > > > 04, 1863. > > > > 5 iv. Hardy McIntosh. > > > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > > > 2. Jesse2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1819 in Mississippi. He > > > > married Ellen Elizabeth Cherry April 13, 1846 in Nacogdoches Co., TX, > > > > daughter of John Cherry and Mitilda Bridges. She was born Bet. 1829 - > > > > 1831 in Texas, and died in Angelina Co., Texas. > > > > > > > > Children of Jesse McIntosh and Ellen Cherry are: > > > > + 6 i. George Washington3 McIntosh, born February 03, 1849 in > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died August 04, 1923 in Huntington, Angelina Co., > > > > Texas. > > > > + 7 ii. Lucinda McIntosh, born 1854. > > > > + 8 iii. Mary Jane McIntosh, born 1852. > > > > 9 iv. Sarah Luvenia. > > > > > > > > 4. William2 McIntosh (Daniel1) was born 1828 in Alabama, and died > > > > August 04, 1863. He married Lurana Jane Page January 10, 1852 in > > > > Angelina Co., TX, daughter of Nehemiah Page and Elizabeth Crane. She > > > > was born July 30, 1836 in Hinds, Mississippi, and died February 16, > 1908 > > > > in Beulah, Angelina Co., TX. > > > > > > > > Children of William McIntosh and Lurana Page are: > > > > 10 i. Elie C.3 McIntosh. > > > > 11 ii. Micah McIntosh. > > > > 12 iii. Nehemiah McIntosh, born December 05, 1852; died > > > > December 03, 1863. > > > > 13 iv. Mary Jane McIntosh, born October 18, 1856; died July > > > > 19, 1893. > > > > 14 v. Rhoda Epsey McIntosh, born August 06, 1859; died March > > > 1870. > > > > + 15 vi. Sarah Luvenia McIntosh, born December 18, 1861 in > > > > Angelina Co., Texas; died March 31, 1899. > > > > > > > > Of course, I cut it way down. I have them linked all the way to me. > > > > John Cherry & Matilda Bridges were my ggg-grandparents. > > > > Sherlene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Jack, I am not operating under any misconception, Jack. Check the law and I am sure you will find GA law before 1867 was exactly as I stated. Now, this would be moot if the husband had died and the wife had inherited the property from him. Then, she would be the legal owner of the property and all rights in it were vested in her, unless his will specified, otherwise. After 1867 in GA, a wife could own property in her own name and anything she inherited from her parents or others was hers to do with as she saw fit but not before 1867..... What I do not understand is why some continue to push this Nathaniel HUDSON marriage on Rhoda DANIEL when there is no other evidence except for a deed in Pitt County, NC that supports it. I cannot imagine for a second a deed my wife might execute that would not contain my name, either as a party to the deed or at the very least, a witness. Not, unless I was dead at the time she executed the deed. As for the deed in Pitt County, NC, her husband's name could have easily been mistaken by the attorney who drafted it. That kind of stuff happened all the time. They say that John DURDIN of Morgan County, GA was the first person to push for such protection when he was in the GA House before the CW but he was unsuccessful in getting it passed by the legislature. It is said, the outrage created by the later squandering away of a young ladies total inheritance and home in Madison by a new husband, during a weekend of drinking and gambling, was the primary reason this act was reintroduced in the GA legislature, passed and was signed into law by the governor. I can give you the names of the sponsoring legislators if you want them but they were from Morgan County, GA. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > John, I will not swear to it, but I think that you are operating from a > faulty premise with the idea that the woman could not own property in her > own right. I have seen several wills where land was left to a daughter and > the husband was specifically barred from owning or encumbering the property. > > Jack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > Judy, > > Legally, Rhoda's 1791 instrument performs the same function as a LW&T. > > She states in this instrument she is disposing of all of her property to > her > > four children by Robert HUDSON, Jr but retains for her use a life estate > in > > that property. > > Legally, it performs same function as a LW&T because it is an > > irrevocable instrument. The legal owners of all of the property described > > in this instrument from the time this instrument was executed were her > four > > children by Robert HUDSON, Jr. and no others. > > In the case of any real property listed in the instrument, she can > > continue to use it and derive income from it for the rest of her natural > > life but she could not sell it, encumber it or diminish its value by > selling > > assets from it, like timber, transportable buildings, etc. without the > > consent of its owners. Unlike her, they could sell their interest in this > > property and encumber their interest in it before her death but the new > > owner cannot take possession of this property until after her death. > > You might say, she was a lady ahead of her time or she had good legal > > advice on how to protect the interests of her children. People, even > today, > > often do this in their latter years to keep the children from fighting > over > > their estate after their death. Many times, not even this works. <grin> > > In her case she may have done this to protect the interests of her > four > > children because she was approaching diminished capacity, terminally ill > or > > contemplating a second marriage. As for the marriage part, under GA law > at > > the time, anything a female owned at the time of their marriage, became > the > > legal property of the new husband. > > Regardless, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON, as some > claim, > > she could not have executed this instrument because any property she owned > > before her marriage to Nathaniel became his legal property after the > > marriage. This part of the law was not changed until 1867 in GA. > > Also, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON by 1791, he would > have > > been the legal owner of all of the real and tangible property listed in > this > > instrument, except for her private personal possessions, and he who would > > have been the one required to sign any instrument transferring ownership > of > > that property. However, as you will note, his name is no where to be > found > > on this instrument which tells me, Nathaniel HUDSON was not her husband in > > 1791 when she signed it. Whether he was later, I do not know. > > As I stated to Joni, if Rhoda married Nathaniel HUDSON after 1791, > she > > was probably too old to have children and any children that some have list > > for Nathaniel, were probably by his first wife and not Rhoda. My guess, > > regardless of what the Pitt County, NC deed says, she never married > > Nathaniel HUDSON but that is just my guess based on the wording of the > > instrument and the names of the parties to it. > > I have a question for you -- have you found any instrument signed and > > executed by Rhoda after this 1791 instrument covering the sale of any real > > or personal property? If not, this 1791 instrument is her "de facto" > LW&T, > > as I stated, previously. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > Ruth, Thanks for the offer of copying the pages on the Hudson's, but Jo > ni > > > and I have them. It is a Deed of Gift (Effingham Co.GA) from Rhoda > > Daniel > > > to her 4 Hudson children. In the deed, she retains the ownership of > her > > > possessions......and only at her death are they to go to her children. > (" > > I > > > wish to keep the use of the said property unto my self and my use during > > my > > > life") Whoever told John this is a will is mistaken and didn't read the > > > whole deed, which is very long. Also she states in this deed that if > she > > > should die, before any of her children coming of age, she will nominate > & > > > appoint her trusty friend. > > > Do you have a connection to these Daniel-Hudson's? If so, I would be > > > interested in your line. Being new at the list, am not sure who's > family > > is > > > whose. I 've been trying to catch up, but with the holidays upon > > us.....not > > > easily done. > > > Judy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > > > I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to > > the > > > > Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the > > Hudson's > > > > to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying > that > > > > Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe > just > > > > opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this > > point > > > > (it's still early in the game). > > > > > > > > In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full > of > > > > Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed > > on > > > > page 420. > > > > A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter > of > > > > Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight > others. > > > > Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. > > > > The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: > > > > Esquires. > > > > Stephen Heard, Foreman > > > > George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) > > > > David Burnett > > > > Thomas Carter > > > > Richard Aycock > > > > Robert Day > > > > John Gotham > > > > Dionysius Oliver > > > > Gentlemen. > > > > Holman Freeman > > > > Thomas Strand > > > > Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of > Gen > > > > Elijah Clark) > > > > James McLean > > > > Jacob Farrington > > > > William Bailey > > > > John Gloss > > > > > > > > Then the following petit jurors were sworn: > > > > Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors > Bibb > > > of > > > > AL) > > > > William Butler > > > > John Burness > > > > William Bonier > > > > Henry Duke > > > > James White > > > > Matthew Moore > > > > William DANIEL > > > > Joseph Collins > > > > Jacob McClendon, Jr > > > > Mordecai Moore > > > > Robert Hanna > > > > John Scott Riden > > > > > > > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM > > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the > > deed > > > > > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton > > > HUDSON > > > > as their > > > > > son: > > > > > > > > > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration > of > > > the > > > > > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving > > > Nephew > > > > > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven > unto > > > > Nathaniel > > > > > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty > pounds..one > > > > Negro boy > > > > > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed > was > > > > proved > > > > > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > > > > > > > > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and > > > widow > > > > of > > > > > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what > > other > > > > Rhoda > > > > > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in > Screven > > > Co > > > > GA > > > > > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > > > > > Joni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting > of > > > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > > families > > > or > > > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > > not > > > > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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John, I will not swear to it, but I think that you are operating from a faulty premise with the idea that the woman could not own property in her own right. I have seen several wills where land was left to a daughter and the husband was specifically barred from owning or encumbering the property. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > Judy, > Legally, Rhoda's 1791 instrument performs the same function as a LW&T. > She states in this instrument she is disposing of all of her property to her > four children by Robert HUDSON, Jr but retains for her use a life estate in > that property. > Legally, it performs same function as a LW&T because it is an > irrevocable instrument. The legal owners of all of the property described > in this instrument from the time this instrument was executed were her four > children by Robert HUDSON, Jr. and no others. > In the case of any real property listed in the instrument, she can > continue to use it and derive income from it for the rest of her natural > life but she could not sell it, encumber it or diminish its value by selling > assets from it, like timber, transportable buildings, etc. without the > consent of its owners. Unlike her, they could sell their interest in this > property and encumber their interest in it before her death but the new > owner cannot take possession of this property until after her death. > You might say, she was a lady ahead of her time or she had good legal > advice on how to protect the interests of her children. People, even today, > often do this in their latter years to keep the children from fighting over > their estate after their death. Many times, not even this works. <grin> > In her case she may have done this to protect the interests of her four > children because she was approaching diminished capacity, terminally ill or > contemplating a second marriage. As for the marriage part, under GA law at > the time, anything a female owned at the time of their marriage, became the > legal property of the new husband. > Regardless, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON, as some claim, > she could not have executed this instrument because any property she owned > before her marriage to Nathaniel became his legal property after the > marriage. This part of the law was not changed until 1867 in GA. > Also, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON by 1791, he would have > been the legal owner of all of the real and tangible property listed in this > instrument, except for her private personal possessions, and he who would > have been the one required to sign any instrument transferring ownership of > that property. However, as you will note, his name is no where to be found > on this instrument which tells me, Nathaniel HUDSON was not her husband in > 1791 when she signed it. Whether he was later, I do not know. > As I stated to Joni, if Rhoda married Nathaniel HUDSON after 1791, she > was probably too old to have children and any children that some have list > for Nathaniel, were probably by his first wife and not Rhoda. My guess, > regardless of what the Pitt County, NC deed says, she never married > Nathaniel HUDSON but that is just my guess based on the wording of the > instrument and the names of the parties to it. > I have a question for you -- have you found any instrument signed and > executed by Rhoda after this 1791 instrument covering the sale of any real > or personal property? If not, this 1791 instrument is her "de facto" LW&T, > as I stated, previously. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > Ruth, Thanks for the offer of copying the pages on the Hudson's, but Jo ni > > and I have them. It is a Deed of Gift (Effingham Co.GA) from Rhoda > Daniel > > to her 4 Hudson children. In the deed, she retains the ownership of her > > possessions......and only at her death are they to go to her children. (" > I > > wish to keep the use of the said property unto my self and my use during > my > > life") Whoever told John this is a will is mistaken and didn't read the > > whole deed, which is very long. Also she states in this deed that if she > > should die, before any of her children coming of age, she will nominate & > > appoint her trusty friend. > > Do you have a connection to these Daniel-Hudson's? If so, I would be > > interested in your line. Being new at the list, am not sure who's family > is > > whose. I 've been trying to catch up, but with the holidays upon > us.....not > > easily done. > > Judy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to > the > > > Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the > Hudson's > > > to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying that > > > Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe just > > > opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this > point > > > (it's still early in the game). > > > > > > In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full of > > > Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed > on > > > page 420. > > > A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter of > > > Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight others. > > > Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. > > > The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: > > > Esquires. > > > Stephen Heard, Foreman > > > George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) > > > David Burnett > > > Thomas Carter > > > Richard Aycock > > > Robert Day > > > John Gotham > > > Dionysius Oliver > > > Gentlemen. > > > Holman Freeman > > > Thomas Strand > > > Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of Gen > > > Elijah Clark) > > > James McLean > > > Jacob Farrington > > > William Bailey > > > John Gloss > > > > > > Then the following petit jurors were sworn: > > > Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors Bibb > > of > > > AL) > > > William Butler > > > John Burness > > > William Bonier > > > Henry Duke > > > James White > > > Matthew Moore > > > William DANIEL > > > Joseph Collins > > > Jacob McClendon, Jr > > > Mordecai Moore > > > Robert Hanna > > > John Scott Riden > > > > > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the > deed > > > > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton > > HUDSON > > > as their > > > > son: > > > > > > > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of > > the > > > > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving > > Nephew > > > > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto > > > Nathaniel > > > > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one > > > Negro boy > > > > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was > > > proved > > > > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > > > > > > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and > > widow > > > of > > > > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what > other > > > Rhoda > > > > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven > > Co > > > GA > > > > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > > > > Joni. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > families > > or > > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not > > > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

Does anyone know who this Wiley Daniels belongs to; once I thought he tied to my Wiley Daniels,b:1802GA, son of Enoch(1761-1834) Daniel. Wiley R. Daniels, b:1837 Alabama,M: 30July1857, Hillsborough Co.FL. to Martha Jane Baxley,b:1840FL 1860 Hillsborough Co. FL. Census: W.R. Daniels, 23,b:AL Martha Daniels, 21,b:FL William, 6,b:FL Samuel (Melton) 2,b:FL W.A. Daniels, 17, b:AL This Wiley R. Daniels, d:ca 1860's, Polk Co.FL. Martha Jane M2: 9June1863, Polk Co.FL., James Gaskins,b:1800GA Samuel Melton Daniels m: Sarah Mott Page Thanks, Judy in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Joiner" <wheeliebj@msn.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] "Early Settlers of Alabama" > Ruth, > > Would it be possible for me to get a copy of "Early Settlers of Alabama"? If it is, I would > appreciate it if you could tell me where to get it and how much it costs. > > Thanks. > > Brenda in Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Hi, I do not have a lot on this DANIEL line but I have the abstracts of the will of John DANIEL, the son of William DANIEL and Deborah GARLAND, as well as that of his wife. I have also listed what I have as the names of their children... <<< 1749 - Will of JOHN DICKENSON, Northampton Co., 4 Feb 1742, Aug. Ct. Sons: DANIEL, JOHN, DAVID, ISSAC. Daus: SARAH DANIEL, ELIZABETH FUTREL, REBECKAH NEWSOM, CHARITY DICKENSON, MARY DICKENSON. Wife:REBECCA. Extrs: DANIEL and JOHN DICKENSON (sons). Wit: JOSEPH JORDAN, ROBERT PEELLE, ISAAC PARKER. ---Abstract of NC Wills, 1690-1760, J. Bryan Grimes, pg 98 1750 - Will of REBECKAH DICKINSON, Northampton Co., 1 Jul 1750, Feb Ct. Sons: JOHN and ISAAC DICKINSON (Execs.), DAVID. Daus: SARAH DANIEL, ELIZABETH FUTRELL, REBECCAH NEWSOM, CHARITY DICKINSON, MARY DICKINSON. Wit: ISAAC PARKER, JOHN HORTON. --Abstract of North Carolina Wills, 1690-1760, J Bryan Grimes, pg 98. 1753 - Died ca 1753 Northampton Co., NC "Will of MARY DICKINSON, Northampton Co., 6 Oct. 1753. Bros: DAVID, ISAAC (Exrs.), DANIEL, JOHN. Sisters: CHARITY PEELLE, SARAH DANIEL, ELIZABETH FUTRELL. Kinsman: William Rowsom (Newsom?). Wit: John Brown, Susanah Parker, Susana Horton." ---Abstract of NC Wills, 1690-1760, J. Bryan Grimes, pg 98) Children Abraham Daniel b: ABT 1740 in Northampton County, North Carolina Elizabeth Daniel b: ABT 1740 Ephraim Daniel , Sr. b: ABT 1740 in Northampton County, North Carolina Marriage 1 Bramley Ezekiel Daniel b: ABT 1740 in Northampton County, North Carolina John Daniel , Jr. b: ABT 1740 in Northampton County, North Carolina Death: 1836 in Wayne County, North Carolina Joseph Daniel b: ABT 1740 in Northampton County, North Carolina Death: in Northampton County, North Carolina Sarah Daniel b: ABT 1740 Isaac Daniel , Sr. b: BET 1748 AND 1751 in Northampton County, North Carolina >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Wilkinson" <belva@mon-cre.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] John Daniel b 1766 > Does anyone have any information on a John Daniel b 1766 the son of Peter Daniel b b/4 1730 and Mary Unknown. The grandparents of this John Daniel were William Daniel born before 1679 Isle of Wight County Va. and Deborah Garland. This William left a will made on 10 September 1738 Isle of Wight County, Va,, Any information on the John Daniel b 1766, will be greatly appreciated. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Judy, Legally, Rhoda's 1791 instrument performs the same function as a LW&T. She states in this instrument she is disposing of all of her property to her four children by Robert HUDSON, Jr but retains for her use a life estate in that property. Legally, it performs same function as a LW&T because it is an irrevocable instrument. The legal owners of all of the property described in this instrument from the time this instrument was executed were her four children by Robert HUDSON, Jr. and no others. In the case of any real property listed in the instrument, she can continue to use it and derive income from it for the rest of her natural life but she could not sell it, encumber it or diminish its value by selling assets from it, like timber, transportable buildings, etc. without the consent of its owners. Unlike her, they could sell their interest in this property and encumber their interest in it before her death but the new owner cannot take possession of this property until after her death. You might say, she was a lady ahead of her time or she had good legal advice on how to protect the interests of her children. People, even today, often do this in their latter years to keep the children from fighting over their estate after their death. Many times, not even this works. <grin> In her case she may have done this to protect the interests of her four children because she was approaching diminished capacity, terminally ill or contemplating a second marriage. As for the marriage part, under GA law at the time, anything a female owned at the time of their marriage, became the legal property of the new husband. Regardless, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON, as some claim, she could not have executed this instrument because any property she owned before her marriage to Nathaniel became his legal property after the marriage. This part of the law was not changed until 1867 in GA. Also, if she had already married Nathaniel HUDSON by 1791, he would have been the legal owner of all of the real and tangible property listed in this instrument, except for her private personal possessions, and he who would have been the one required to sign any instrument transferring ownership of that property. However, as you will note, his name is no where to be found on this instrument which tells me, Nathaniel HUDSON was not her husband in 1791 when she signed it. Whether he was later, I do not know. As I stated to Joni, if Rhoda married Nathaniel HUDSON after 1791, she was probably too old to have children and any children that some have list for Nathaniel, were probably by his first wife and not Rhoda. My guess, regardless of what the Pitt County, NC deed says, she never married Nathaniel HUDSON but that is just my guess based on the wording of the instrument and the names of the parties to it. I have a question for you -- have you found any instrument signed and executed by Rhoda after this 1791 instrument covering the sale of any real or personal property? If not, this 1791 instrument is her "de facto" LW&T, as I stated, previously. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > Ruth, Thanks for the offer of copying the pages on the Hudson's, but Joni > and I have them. It is a Deed of Gift (Effingham Co.GA) from Rhoda Daniel > to her 4 Hudson children. In the deed, she retains the ownership of her > possessions......and only at her death are they to go to her children. (" I > wish to keep the use of the said property unto my self and my use during my > life") Whoever told John this is a will is mistaken and didn't read the > whole deed, which is very long. Also she states in this deed that if she > should die, before any of her children coming of age, she will nominate & > appoint her trusty friend. > Do you have a connection to these Daniel-Hudson's? If so, I would be > interested in your line. Being new at the list, am not sure who's family is > whose. I 've been trying to catch up, but with the holidays upon us.....not > easily done. > Judy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > Hi All: > > > > I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to the > > Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the Hudson's > > to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying that > > Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe just > > opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this point > > (it's still early in the game). > > > > In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full of > > Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed on > > page 420. > > A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter of > > Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight others. > > Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. > > The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: > > Esquires. > > Stephen Heard, Foreman > > George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) > > David Burnett > > Thomas Carter > > Richard Aycock > > Robert Day > > John Gotham > > Dionysius Oliver > > Gentlemen. > > Holman Freeman > > Thomas Strand > > Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of Gen > > Elijah Clark) > > James McLean > > Jacob Farrington > > William Bailey > > John Gloss > > > > Then the following petit jurors were sworn: > > Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors Bibb > of > > AL) > > William Butler > > John Burness > > William Bonier > > Henry Duke > > James White > > Matthew Moore > > William DANIEL > > Joseph Collins > > Jacob McClendon, Jr > > Mordecai Moore > > Robert Hanna > > John Scott Riden > > > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > > > > John, > > > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > > > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton > HUDSON > > as their > > > son: > > > > > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of > the > > > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving > Nephew > > > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto > > Nathaniel > > > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one > > Negro boy > > > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was > > proved > > > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > > > > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and > widow > > of > > > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other > > Rhoda > > > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven > Co > > GA > > > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > > > Joni. > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Ruth, Would it be possible for me to get a copy of "Early Settlers of Alabama"? If it is, I would appreciate it if you could tell me where to get it and how much it costs. Thanks. Brenda in Alabama

Good heavens Willi! I should have checked the Daniel-L Archives first...great data............back to the diggin' .Joni From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Enoch Daniel Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:46:37 -0400 References: <<53.1e05c5ed.2adf1de3@aol.com>> Will, I agree with what you show here and think this proves -- someone has really cobbled up this family. I am getting to the point that I think all of Thomas's kids have been cobbled up for whatever reason. I think this whole line needs to be re-proved and forget what Folks Huxford said about this bunch. Too many errors for my tastes. That George DANIEL, who is also listed as a son of RLD in one of the deeds, is probably the George DANIEL who married one of Chesley DANIEL's girls over in Granville, NC. Right time frame -- George DANIEL was born 1759, as I remember and fits right into this bunch with Enoch born 1761. > As for Rhoda Daniel, my notes indicate that she 1st mrd. Robert Hudson, Jr > and had two sons: Samuel Hudson, Maxwell Hudson...she mrd. 2nd Nathanial > Hudson and had a son: Hamilton Hudson. I agree and Payne and I discussed this possibility the other evening..... I am also going to roll in your data to my entry for RLD. What do you know about Junior? I have a Robert C. DANIEL born about 1765 who married a Penelope, possibly LANE, born 1773 and they migrated to Burke County, GA in 1812, according to her 1846 obit... Could he be Junior? By the way, my name is John or JC <grin>. John R. Clarke For some of the best in the outdoors visit www.outdoorwriter.com This message is also virus free ----- Original Message ----- From: <WEDAIA@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Enoch Daniel > As had indicated to Mr John R Clarke a few days ago...have been trying to > PROVE out this Robert Lanier Daniel situation for a while now...not complete; > but will provide what I have so far...in addition to Deed Book N, Pages 70, > 251, 264 (listed in Dora Pearse)...ALL on No. side of Grindal Ck on Hunting > Run. > > ALL Official Records, except the Deeds, were destroyed when the Pitt County > Court House was burned in 1858...only Deeds available to search for years > between 1761 and 1858. No Will is available for Capt. RLD that I can find. > > Deeds recorded in Pitt County, NC > > Deed Book L Page 363 > 27 April 1789 > Robert Danniel,Sr, Pitt Co > to > Enoch Danniel, Pitt Co (son for L & A) > 200 acres, former owner: George Moye, Sr > Wit: Thomas Danniel, Lanier Danniel > > Deed Book O Page 142 > 11 Nov 1794 proved January Term 1895 > Robert Lanier Daniel, Pitt Co > to > Lanier Daniel, Pitt Co (son for L & A) > 175 acres, No. side of Grindal Ck on west side of Hunting Run > Wit: Thomas Daniel, Henry Carson > > Deed Book G Page 282 > 21 October 1782, registered 6 August 1783 > GRANT to Robert Lanier Daniel > 560 acres, No. side of Tar River on No. side of Grindale Ck. between said > Daniel and > Thomas James, CB George Daniel > Wit: George Daniel, Thomas James > > Deed Book G Page 283 > 21 October 1782, registered 6 August 1783 > GRANT to Robert Lanier Daniel > 500 acres, No. side Tar River on No. side of Grindale Ck. between said Daniel > and > George Daniel, CB George Daniel, Enoch Daniel > Wit: George Daniel, Enoch Daniel > > Deed Book I Page 8 - 9 > 6 September 1775, proved July Court 1782 > Soloman Whichard > to > Robert Lanier Daniel > 200 acres, lower part of Tract former Patent Nov 1738 to George Moye, Sr > Wit: Kelley Carson, Henry James > > Deed Book M Page 58 > 8 March 1788 > Richard Blackledge > to > Capt. Robert Lanier Daniel > Negro boy - Dick $200 Spanish > Wit: Lanier Daniel, Willie Daniel > > Deed Book O Page 507 > 26 March 1800 > George Daniel > to > Lanier Daniel, bro. > 10 acres, on line between George Daniel and former RLD. > > Deed Book R Page 182 > 23 January 1808, registered February Term 1809 > Willie Daniel > to > Lanier Daniel, bro. > 86 acres, So. side Grindal Ck. > > In Effingham Co, GA > > As for Rhoda Daniel, my notes indicate that she 1st mrd. Robert Hudson, Jr > and had two sons: Samuel Hudson, Maxwell Hudson...she mrd. 2nd Nathanial > Hudson and had a son: Hamilton Hudson. > > Deed Book A pg 29 (148) > 14 September 1782, Pitt Co, NC, recorded 17 November 1798 > RLD > to > Samuel Hudson, g/son (son of his dau Roda, wife of Robert Hudson of GA) > one mulatto girl, age 5, named Charita. > Wit: George Daniel, John Wilkins, William Wilson, Jr > > Deed Book A pg 15 (113) > Pitt Co, NC, recorded 01 February 1789 > William (Willie) Daniel > to > Hamilton Hudson, nephew (son of sister Rhoda) > a Negro boy, age 12, of a yellow color, named Dennis > Wit: Enoch Daniel, James George > > Believe the last two items were recorded in GA... > > 1790 Census - Heads of Families - North Carolina > New Bern District, Pitt County > shows > Daniel, Thomas w/ 2 slaves > Daniel, Lanier w/ 1 slave > Daniel, Robert w/ 15 slaves + 1 male over 16 & 1 male under 16 & free > white > female still at home. > > 1800 Census - NC in same District, Robert Daniels is gone...but George, > Lanier, > Thomas, Willie, Hannah Daniel are all in same > neighborhood. > > There were 3 or 4 Robert Lanier Daniel individuals in the area of different > ages at the same time period...know one was RLD, Jr who died early; 2nd was > son/of William/Willie; 3rd RLD mrd Susan Wilson, sister of my g/gf, Marshall > Wilson; 4th is still not identified adequately...may be others ? > > From the above data, one could reasonably conclude: > > Capt. Robert Lanier Daniel, b 1718 to Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier in > Chowan District, NC died after 11 November 1794 in Pactolus, Pitt Co, NC > (small community > that existed between Washington,NC & Greenville, NC). He apparently had the > following children: > George Daniel > Thomas Daniel > RLD, Jr > William/Willie Daniel > Lanier Daniel > Enoch Daniel > Rhoda Daniel > > Understand, this is what I have gleaned thus far and have hesitated to put > online...I solicit your help as to corrections, clarifications, omissions. > > Take Care, > Will Daniels > WEDAIA@aol.com > Fairfax, VA > From: "James Madison Daniel" <jdan@shreve.net>Subject: [DANIEL-L] Enoch DANIELDate: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:52:55 -0700 Here is some Census data which may be of help. 1810 Census Bladen County NC Roll M252_38 Pg 201 John DANIEL 1m0-10, 1m16-26, 2f0-10, 2f16-26 Pg 204 J DANIEL 2m10-16, 2m26-45, 1m45+ 2f10-16, 1f26-45, 1f45+ Pg 204 Jas(James)DANIEL 1m0-10, 1m16-26, 1m26-45, 1m45+ Pg 204 E(ENOCH) DANIEL 1m0-10, 1m16-26, 1f16-26 Pg 204 John DANIEL 1m0-10, 2m16-26, 1m45+ 1f0-10, 1f10-16, 2f16-26, 1f45+ Pg 205 Ann Daniel 1m0-10, 1f10-16, 1f45+ 1820 Census Bladen County NC Roll M33_82 Pg 130 WM(William DANIEL 1m0-10, 1m26-45, 1f0-10, 1f16-26 (Is this the William Daniel later in Wayne Co TN?) Pg 130 ENOCH DANIEL 3m0-10, 1m26-45, 1f0-10, 1f16-26 Pg 132 Mary DANIEL 1m10-16, 2m16-26, 1f0-10, 1f10-16, 1f26-45 Pg 132 Robert DANIEL 1m0-10, 1m10-16, 1m26-45, 1f0-10, 1f10-16, 1f26-45 1830 Census Columbus County NC Roll M19_120 Pg 19 ENOCH DANIEL 2M5-10, 1m10-15, 1m15-20, 1m20-30, 1m40-50, 1f10-15, 1f30-40, 1f50-60 Pg 23 John Daniel 1m20-30, 1f15-20 (I think this is my John, son of Mary Daniel above and nephew of ENOCH DANIEL, with his wife Nancy Holmes). Pg 23 Cassady Daniel 1m0-5, 1f0-5, 1f20-30, 1f30-40 1840 Census Columbus County NC Roll M704_356 Pg52 ENOCH DANIEL 2m15-20, 1m50-60, 1f20-30, 1f60-70 Pg 54 John Daniel 1m0-5(William S Green Dniel), 1m 5-10(Calvin M Daniel), 1f0-5(Elizabeth Catharine Daniel Simmons), 1f 10-15(Nancy Lillian Daniel Hansen Sain?) 1850 Census Columbus County NC Roll M432_626 Pg 232 ENOCH DANIEL age 66 Occupation Groom (Horses?) Hannah age 72 Lucy age 35 Hannahbell age 11 Jonah B Wilkin age 26 Occupation Laborer Next house Dugold Clark age 37 occupation farmer Pg 273 Aaron DANIEL age 38 Occupation Do/Dr Laborer?

Ruth, Thanks for the offer of copying the pages on the Hudson's, but Joni and I have them. It is a Deed of Gift (Effingham Co.GA) from Rhoda Daniel to her 4 Hudson children. In the deed, she retains the ownership of her possessions......and only at her death are they to go to her children. (" I wish to keep the use of the said property unto my self and my use during my life") Whoever told John this is a will is mistaken and didn't read the whole deed, which is very long. Also she states in this deed that if she should die, before any of her children coming of age, she will nominate & appoint her trusty friend. Do you have a connection to these Daniel-Hudson's? If so, I would be interested in your line. Being new at the list, am not sure who's family is whose. I 've been trying to catch up, but with the holidays upon us.....not easily done. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > Hi All: > > I'd be glad to go back to the library & copy the pages that relate to the > Hudson's. I'm printing off the e-mails today that related to the Hudson's > to be able to study a little. If I understand Joni - she's saying that > Nathaniel Hudson is not part of the Elbert Co, GA group? I believe just > opposite - that they were from the same families - at least at this point > (it's still early in the game). > > In the book "Early Settlers of Alabama" - there were only a hand full of > Daniel's listed in the index. One of them was a William DANIEL listed on > page 420. > A Grand Jury was called in Wilkes Co, GA on 25 Aug 1779 in the matter of > Joshua Rials who was convicted of high treason along with eight others. > Amongst the witnesses against Rials was Samuel Lamar. > The Grand Jury consisted of the following men: > Esquires. > Stephen Heard, Foreman > George Walton (signer of Dec of Independ.) > David Burnett > Thomas Carter > Richard Aycock > Robert Day > John Gotham > Dionysius Oliver > Gentlemen. > Holman Freeman > Thomas Strand > Micajah Williamson (his dau. married Gen. John Clark (Gov) & son of Gen > Elijah Clark) > James McLean > Jacob Farrington > William Bailey > John Gloss > > Then the following petit jurors were sworn: > Holman Freeman(Col.Freeman's son Fleming Martha sister of Governors Bibb of > AL) > William Butler > John Burness > William Bonier > Henry Duke > James White > Matthew Moore > William DANIEL > Joseph Collins > Jacob McClendon, Jr > Mordecai Moore > Robert Hanna > John Scott Riden > > - Ruth in Portland, OR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JOANH954@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:09 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rhoda DANIEL-HUDSON > > > > John, > > I believe I sent this to the list, but - just in case - here's the deed > > identifying Nathaniel HUDSON as spouse of Rhoda DANIEL and Hamilton HUDSON > as their > > son: > > > > On 01 Dec 1797 William Daniel of Pitt County, NC "in consideration of the > > love good will and affection which I have and bear toward my loving Nephew > > Hamilton Hudson of the State of Georgia in the county of Screven unto > Nathaniel > > Hudson and Roda his wife my sister...for the sum of fifty pounds..one > Negro boy > > the age of twelve years of a yellow colour named Daniel." The deed was > proved > > on the oath of Enoch Daniel Feb 01 1798--Deed Book A, p 112. > > > > If this Rhoda DANIEL is not the daughter of Robert Lanier DANIEL and widow > of > > Robert HUDSON, Jr and sister of William DANIEL in Pitt Co NC what other > Rhoda > > DANIEL with a brother William in Pitt Co and md to a HUDSON in Screven Co > GA > > could she be? Note also that Enoch DANIEL proved the deed. > > Joni. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

My John Daniel was born in that time frame (1760's) IN VA Colony... married a Mary Keeton (Keaton) Jolly we believe, in Rowan County, NC. We have not been able to trace John.. This is very interesting. Evelyn

Settlers of Alabama [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2002. Original data: Saunders, James Edmonds, Col. Early Settlers of Alabama. New Orleans, LA: L. Graham & Son, printers, 1899. Alabama Territory was created on 3 March 1817 and officially became a state 14 December 1819. This database gives historical and genealogical information about early settlers of the state of Alabama as recorded by Col. James Saunders. Saunders began to write a series of letters in April 1880, focusing on the early settlers of Lawrence County, Alabama and the Tennessee Valley. Soon his work branched out to other areas and even some adjoining states. The letters began in 1880 and discontinued in 1889. Researchers can expect to find valuable historical information and personal insight about the people of Alabama through Col. Saunders letters. Ebay has it right now for $45. In doing a "Google" Search I'd found that Amazon.com had it for $40. If you belong to Ancestry.com or any of the Genealogy on-line libraries - you will probably find at least the index. You might also be able to borrow it through an Inter-library loan at your public or university library. A companion book to "Early Settler's" is "Lewises and Meriwethers and Kin" - I don't remember who is was written by - but, Col. Saunders only touched on these other families who were also part of this Herd. Hope that helps - Ruth in Portland, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Joiner" <wheeliebj@msn.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] "Early Settlers of Alabama" > Ruth, > > Would it be possible for me to get a copy of "Early Settlers of Alabama"? If it is, I would > appreciate it if you could tell me where to get it and how much it costs. > > Thanks. > > Brenda in Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Does anyone have any information on a John Daniel b 1766 the son of Peter Daniel b b/4 1730 and Mary Unknown. The grandparents of this John Daniel were William Daniel born before 1679 Isle of Wight County Va. and Deborah Garland. This William left a will made on 10 September 1738 Isle of Wight County, Va,, Any information on the John Daniel b 1766, will be greatly appreciated.