Good Morning, I do not know how this Robert DANIEL fits in. I am sure some will say he was Robert DANIELL, Jr who died in 1709 but it cannot be Robert DANIELL III since he was not born, according to most, until 1700. I am beginning to think this Robert DANIEL, the JP, is from a completely different DANIEL line, maybe the John DANIEL the Shipwright bunch and that may also be the source of the William and Catherine DANIEL from the other deed. Maybe even another DANIEL line out of the islands. I do not know. I will cover the deeds for this John DANIEL, later, and I have lots of details on his bunch....... Charleston, SC Deeds: << 1-164=I-625 22 Dec 1712 Blundell to Primate. Before Robert Daniel, J.P. Jacob Motte, Register John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, Has anyone ever seen a William and Catherine DANIEL or DANIELL around this bunch in Charleston. I ahve not in this time frame. Well, there is sure one here in these Charleston, SC deeds in the 1727 time frame. I think what we are seeing here is a full extension of these families from Charleston, to Eastern NC, maybe even including IOW and then back to the islands. We already know the MOORES, POLLOCKS and even some of these DANIELLS went that route. <<< 1-145=I-174 27 Jun 1727 William Flavel, executor of will of George Peterson, to James Gay, planter, of Berkeley Co., for £100 SC money, a wooden house lately occupied by George Peterson, now by Mrs. Elizabeth Peterson, widow of George, which house stands on land belonging to John Pamor. Delivery of a key of the house in the name of the whole. Wit: William, Catherine Daniel. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, The more I look through the deeds of the DANIEL and DANIELL families of Charleston, SC, the more I think something is wrong as relates to the general age of the children of some of these DANIELL folks. Most list the life span of Robert DANIELL, Jr. as 1675-1709 and his son, Robert III as 1700-1739. This latter cannot be right. Look at these three deed entries. There is no way I think they would give the title of "Colonel" or make someone a JP when they were only in their early 20's. No way.. There is something amiss here but I do not know what it is. There is no way these folks could have been confused because this was the only Robert DANIEL show in town at that time. <grin> My guess is this fellow is in his 30's in the 1720's, at least, maybe older. Notice also this Robert DANIEL married Helen LOGAN and she was born some five years before (1695) he was supposedly born (1700). That tells me this Col. Robert DANIELL was born probably in the 1790 time frame (or before) and this would match up with what I am seeing here. I think more than a few dates for these DANIELL kids of Charleston are not exactly correct and some of them may be off by 10 or more years. <<< 1-23=Ba-161 1721 ref to Col. Robert Daniel Daniel Esq. in group of grantors 1-105=G-160 3 Nov 1721 deed signed before Robert Daniell, J.P. 1-106=G-161 5 Mar 1725-6 deed signed before Robert Daniell, J.P. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Evening, John DANIELL had to die before 31 May 1768. Since we know his will was dated 23 Dec 1763, he died sometime between 23 Dec 1763 and 31 May 1768 when this deed was executed, not the 23 Dec 1773 that some show for him. He probably died sometime before the 14 Feb 1767 date that his executors cut a POA to Robert to see this property. Maybe someone has a definitive date for his death..... Charleston Deeds: <<< 4-21=K3-139 30 & 31 May 1768 Sarah Daniel & John Daniel of NC; & Robert Daniel, formerly of NC now of SC; executrix & executors of will of John Daniel, Esq., of New Hanover Co., NC; of 1st part; to George Smith, Jr., planter, of St. Thomas parish, SC, for £1000 SC money, 500a, called Barton's plantation, in St. Thomas Parish, Berkeley Co., bounding S on William Parker (formerly Richard Beresford); E on George Smith (formerly Samuel Commander); W on marsh of Cooper River; N on Cooks (or Walkers) Creek. Whereas John Daniel owned said plantation & by will ordered it sold by his executors to pay his legacy of £1000 to the vestry of the Parish, appointing Sarah, John, & Robert Daniel, his executrix & executors; & whereas on 14 Feb 1767 appointed Robert their attorney to sell the place; now they sell to Smith. Wit: George Smith, Josiah Smith, Jr. Before Fenwicke Bull, J.P. & P. Register. Recd 15 Jun 1768. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, On this Christmas Eve 2003, I want to wish you the best of the Christmas holidays and may the New Year bring each of us the information we so diligently seek about each of our respective families. May this holiday season also be one of peace for members of our armed forces, much as that first Christmas of World War I was for the those then fighting in France and Belgium that snowy day in 1916. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Mike, I also found this as relates to the LEDBETTERS. Charles LEDBETTER (b. 1740 in Brunswick County, VA) was the son of Henry LEDBETTER and Edith WILLIAMSON and he must have married a Frances RANDLE from what I see here. If so, then the family of France's uncle James RANDLE I bounces right into this whole bunch in Greene and Hancock County, GA, via of James RANDLE II and Rosanna GRAVES family. Looking a little clearer, now.... What do you want to bet the Charles name we see came from the LEDBETTERS? <<< Charles Ledbetter and wife Frances on Jan. 25, 1764 deeded land to Jeckonias Randle (He was her uncle, born in King William County, May 1, 1710, son of John Randle and Mary Johns). On Nov. 2, 1774 Charles Ledbetter and Frances sold their land in Brunswick County and "refugeed" from Tories to what was then Anson County, North Carolina, later Montgomery County. At about the same time his brother Drury Ledbetter and many related families left Brunswick and settled in the same direction. Among these were Randles, Ledbetters, Davidsons, Prichards, Quinceys, Johnsons, Laniers and Tillmans. Charles was also a Reverend who came to Tennessee from Virginia in 1790 Charles and Frances moved from Brunswick County, Virginia to Montgomery County, North Carolina shortly before the American Revolution. >>>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > Anne, > > This bio on Charles in History of NC Baptists Vol. 1 1663-1825 will answer > some of your questions: > > REV. CHARLES DANIEL Born Jan ---1731 near Richmond in Virgininia. Bred a > churchman; embraced the principles of the Baptists in the Spring of 1749, and had > the ordinance administerd to him by Rev. Josiah HART at Fishing Creek, > Ordained August 16, 1753 by said HART and Rev. Henry LEDBETTER at said Fishing > Creek. But by 1755 changed his sentiments towards the doctrines of grace, chiefly > by means of reading Mr. WHITFIELD'S sermons; became minister of this church > soon after the time of the constitution, November 15, 1756. Married Amy > CLARK, but had no issue. He was reputed a knowing and wise man. and therefore > often consulted in civil affairs. He dropped preaching from the time he suspected > the orthodoxy of his first principals, and he was settled in the doctrines of > Grace, and had the assurance thst he himself was in a state of grace. > > A footnote states: The Minutes of the Kehukee Associaation, p 11, indicate > that it was for moral delinquency that Daniel was silenced. This is > corraborated by Burkitt and Read's statement, Kehukee Association, 235. > > It appears that many of the earlier Baptist churches advocated allowing any > prospective member to be immersed (Baptized) whereas Charles, Thomas and others > believed no immersion could take place until there was a full profession of > faith. > > You are aware from your property research that Charles, Thomas, Edmond and > Eustace DANIEL all held property along Fishing Creek in Halifax County. > > As to where and when Thomas married Sarah BURNEY I speculate that it was > probably Pitt County where Sarah's father Simon resided before leaving for GA. > This may explain why no record of their marriage has surfaced because if memory > serves Pitt Cty. suffered significant records destruction. As to when, at > least before 1763 when Simon BURNEY deeded 2 negroes to his "son-in-law Thomas > DANIEL of Halifax". > > The reference to Col. William Horn took place in 1755 at the time of unrest > in the church. > > Susannah REED'S (READ) will was in Halifax County, NC. Susannah's maiden > name was FULGHAM and she was out of a prominent Isle of Wight family as was her > first husband Henry WEST. > > The Edmond DANIEL with spouse Alice died in Granville Cty., NC abt 1755. He > was listed on a 1753 tax list with son Hustis and below them a Thomas DANIEL > was listed. There may be some connection from these people to the Greene Cty. > group but I have been unable to tie it together. > > Apologize for lack of dates and incomplete paraphrasing in earlier post. > > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

LEDBETTERS: Isaac Rowe WALTON (1719-1770) married Elizabeth LEDBETTER (1730-1802) of Brunswick County, VA. Elizabeth was the d/o Henry LEDBETTER and Elizabeth WILLIAMSON of White Oak Swamp, Brunswick Co., VA and the sister of a Henry LEDBETTER (1728-1794) who married Winifred WALL. I do not have any other details on this bunch, as relates to Fishing Creek. Elizabeth's brother Charles LEDBETTER married Frances RANDLE and a widow, JOHNSON. Frances died in Stanley County, NC, according to the information I saw on her. No other details on Frances were available but this RANDLE information sure seems to put this bunch down in Greene County, GA, doesn't it? The WILLIAMSON information also puts them in the same bed with the LAMARS, BIRDS and others in GA, too. A lot of Anson County, NC return addresses around this bunch. John R. CLARKE Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > Anne, > > This bio on Charles in History of NC Baptists Vol. 1 1663-1825 will answer > some of your questions: > > REV. CHARLES DANIEL Born Jan ---1731 near Richmond in Virgininia. Bred a > churchman; embraced the principles of the Baptists in the Spring of 1749, and had > the ordinance administerd to him by Rev. Josiah HART at Fishing Creek, > Ordained August 16, 1753 by said HART and Rev. Henry LEDBETTER at said Fishing > Creek. But by 1755 changed his sentiments towards the doctrines of grace, chiefly > by means of reading Mr. WHITFIELD'S sermons; became minister of this church > soon after the time of the constitution, November 15, 1756. Married Amy > CLARK, but had no issue. He was reputed a knowing and wise man. and therefore > often consulted in civil affairs. He dropped preaching from the time he suspected > the orthodoxy of his first principals, and he was settled in the doctrines of > Grace, and had the assurance thst he himself was in a state of grace. > > A footnote states: The Minutes of the Kehukee Associaation, p 11, indicate > that it was for moral delinquency that Daniel was silenced. This is > corraborated by Burkitt and Read's statement, Kehukee Association, 235. > > It appears that many of the earlier Baptist churches advocated allowing any > prospective member to be immersed (Baptized) whereas Charles, Thomas and others > believed no immersion could take place until there was a full profession of > faith. > > You are aware from your property research that Charles, Thomas, Edmond and > Eustace DANIEL all held property along Fishing Creek in Halifax County. > > As to where and when Thomas married Sarah BURNEY I speculate that it was > probably Pitt County where Sarah's father Simon resided before leaving for GA. > This may explain why no record of their marriage has surfaced because if memory > serves Pitt Cty. suffered significant records destruction. As to when, at > least before 1763 when Simon BURNEY deeded 2 negroes to his "son-in-law Thomas > DANIEL of Halifax". > > The reference to Col. William Horn took place in 1755 at the time of unrest > in the church. > > Susannah REED'S (READ) will was in Halifax County, NC. Susannah's maiden > name was FULGHAM and she was out of a prominent Isle of Wight family as was her > first husband Henry WEST. > > The Edmond DANIEL with spouse Alice died in Granville Cty., NC abt 1755. He > was listed on a 1753 tax list with son Hustis and below them a Thomas DANIEL > was listed. There may be some connection from these people to the Greene Cty. > group but I have been unable to tie it together. > > Apologize for lack of dates and incomplete paraphrasing in earlier post. > > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

That HART name is close to that bunch. John HART (1758-1814) of Charleston, SC married Mary Esther SCREVEN. I do not have this HART boy's parents but William Coffee DANIEL, son of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA, married Martha SCREVEN who was out of this same overall SCREVEN family which was spread out between Charleston and Savannah. Martha was a descendant of Landgrave Thomas SMITH of Charleston...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > Anne, > > This bio on Charles in History of NC Baptists Vol. 1 1663-1825 will answer > some of your questions: > > REV. CHARLES DANIEL Born Jan ---1731 near Richmond in Virgininia. Bred a > churchman; embraced the principles of the Baptists in the Spring of 1749, and had > the ordinance administerd to him by Rev. Josiah HART at Fishing Creek, > Ordained August 16, 1753 by said HART and Rev. Henry LEDBETTER at said Fishing > Creek. But by 1755 changed his sentiments towards the doctrines of grace, chiefly > by means of reading Mr. WHITFIELD'S sermons; became minister of this church > soon after the time of the constitution, November 15, 1756. Married Amy > CLARK, but had no issue. He was reputed a knowing and wise man. and therefore > often consulted in civil affairs. He dropped preaching from the time he suspected > the orthodoxy of his first principals, and he was settled in the doctrines of > Grace, and had the assurance thst he himself was in a state of grace. > > A footnote states: The Minutes of the Kehukee Associaation, p 11, indicate > that it was for moral delinquency that Daniel was silenced. This is > corraborated by Burkitt and Read's statement, Kehukee Association, 235. > > It appears that many of the earlier Baptist churches advocated allowing any > prospective member to be immersed (Baptized) whereas Charles, Thomas and others > believed no immersion could take place until there was a full profession of > faith. > > You are aware from your property research that Charles, Thomas, Edmond and > Eustace DANIEL all held property along Fishing Creek in Halifax County. > > As to where and when Thomas married Sarah BURNEY I speculate that it was > probably Pitt County where Sarah's father Simon resided before leaving for GA. > This may explain why no record of their marriage has surfaced because if memory > serves Pitt Cty. suffered significant records destruction. As to when, at > least before 1763 when Simon BURNEY deeded 2 negroes to his "son-in-law Thomas > DANIEL of Halifax". > > The reference to Col. William Horn took place in 1755 at the time of unrest > in the church. > > Susannah REED'S (READ) will was in Halifax County, NC. Susannah's maiden > name was FULGHAM and she was out of a prominent Isle of Wight family as was her > first husband Henry WEST. > > The Edmond DANIEL with spouse Alice died in Granville Cty., NC abt 1755. He > was listed on a 1753 tax list with son Hustis and below them a Thomas DANIEL > was listed. There may be some connection from these people to the Greene Cty. > group but I have been unable to tie it together. > > Apologize for lack of dates and incomplete paraphrasing in earlier post. > > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Clay, I have one WINDSOR connection in my bunch. Susan WINDSOR b. ABT 1837, d/o Alfred Higgason WINDSOR and Mary H. BOWMAN of Bibb County, GA, formerly of Rockingham and Caswell County, NC, married David Anderson WALTON (1830-1872) of Bolingbroke, Bibb County, GA. He was the son of Henry Wyche WALTON and Louisiana Peterson REDDING of Bolingbroke, Bibb County, GA. Henry was the son of David WALTON and Rebecca WYCHE of Limestone County, AL, formerly, Greenville County, VA. This is the Isaac Rowe WALTON line of Brunswick County, VA. Sallie WALTON (1871-1899) married Charles Woodruff RICHTER, Sr. of Madison, GA on 18 Nov 1889 in Bolingbroke, Bibb County, Ga. Charles W. RICHTER, Sr. (1868-1950), my first cousin,once removed, was a nephew of my grandfather, John RICHTER who married Alice DANIEL in 1872 -- all were of Madison, GA. I know there were some WINDSORS from over around Augusta, GA, early, but do not know the exact details on them - Columbia County, GA, I think. My information say that the parents of Alfred H. WINDSOR were John Higgason WINDSOR, Sr. (1772-ABt 1780) and Susannah HORNBUCKLE of Rockingham County, North Carolina. Rebecca WYCHE was the d/o of Henry WYCHE and Frances BREWER of Greensville County, VA. This is part of the Peter WYCHE and Alice SCOTT family of Brunswick County, VA. County, NC, John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Daniels" <clay_1@airmail.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Claiborne County Mississippi > Down in my neck of the woods now... > > John Clark said: "Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, > sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the > financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over > the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. > SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of > a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS > and was then living with her son, SCD." > > My Tennessee Daniel line (NOT related) came to Claiborne Co in 1851, after > Smith Coffee Daniell. My father & grandfather were born there near Port > Gibson. The Windsor home built by Smith Coffee Daniell was probably the > finest home ever built in Claiborne County to this day. So fine that even > the descendants of slaves who worked there take pride in having been there. > People in Mississippi are proud of their heritage. My Harrell uncle kept a > record of the birth of his slaves in his family Bible. This is a short > extract from a very astute Negro lady who is a correspondent of mine: > > "With the help of another genealogy buff in my family, I have been able to > crack the 1870 barrier. (I'll just outline the facts.) My family has a > documented Windsor connection: My great-grandfather's grandparents, slaves, > accompanied Frisby Freeland from Maryland to Mississippi. As slaves, they > then passed to Frisby's son, Thomas Freeland. Thomas then passed them and > their children (including my great grandfather's parents) down to Catherine > Freeland who was married to Smith Coffee Daniel. So now, I understand why > my great-grandfather came to name one of his sons Smith Daniel. It would > also appear that this lends credence to the stories that came down from my > great grandmother that she knew Windsor as a child because her mother worked > in the kitchen. I suspect that Windsor may be where she met her future > husband. Her parents had Paine and Wilkins as surnames. That will be the > next search. Wish me luck. > > I also recently learned information about relative in Tippah (now Benton) > County and followed him back through the diaries of the slaveowner Francis > Terry Leak (held in the Southern History Collection at the University of > North Carolina at Chapel Hill and available on microfilm). I think it would > be useful to now look for similar material from any of the Freelands and > Daniels." > > Meanwhile, my direct ancestor H.P.K. Daniel worked as an overseer for his > brother-in-law Wilford D. Boren. After Emancipation, some former slaves took > the names of their owners, but many did not. We do find black Daniel and > Boren families in the 1880 Claiborne Co census and consider this a sign of > respect. All of us, black and white, are interested in finding out more > about our families. We have more in common with each other than people from > other parts of the country would ever understand. Despite what you may have > heard about Mississippi, it is a very friendly place. > > Respectfully, > Clay Daniels > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Morning John, seek and yee shall find, ask and it will be delivered unto thee. Who knows where my assignments may be next week? Merry Christmas all. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL > Anne, > Noticing the Grizelle name in this bunch. I assume you know that a > James DANIEL married a Grizelle CLEMENTS and he lived in the general area we > are talking about, right? I do not know where Payne has this James > assigned, now, but the last I saw he had him assigned to Woodson DANIEL and > Nancy of Greenville, NC. They say this James DANIEL (1866-BEF 1853) died > in Henry County, AL BEF 1853, no specific date mentioned. I do not know at > all on this boy.... > > What I do know is -- there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, > GA who died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850 or 1859, 1859, I think is > correct. This Capt. James L. DANIEL is also mentioned in the early records > of Morgan County, GA. I first confused him with my James L. DANIEL > (1814-1857) of Burke County, GA but they were not one in the same persons. > I also know an Elizabeth DANIEL married a John PERRY in Morgan County, GA in > 1817 and they later migrated to Barbour County, AL. I first thought she was > a sibling of my bunch in Burke County, GA but I do not know anymore. > I also know that in 1860 in Louisville, Jefferson County, GA that a John > PERRY, born NC, age 61, is living with the widow of my James L. DANIEL, a > Mrs. Ann DANIEL (1807-1861). Also, in Ann's 1861 will it mentions this > same, John PERRY, and names him as her brother and he was also identified in > the 1860 JC census as her brother. This 1861 will also says she has a > sister named, "Maria HARDON" but another rendition says "Mary HARRISON," so > I do not know on this one, either. <grin> I have never been able to link > all of this bunch up together but HARDON may also have been PARTON.. This > John PERRY was not buried with James and Ann DANIEL who are buried in > Bethany ME Cemetery in Wadley, Jefferson County, GA with the DONOVANS, his > daughter, Nancy Collins DANIEL's family. > I also know from the probate records in Morgan County, GA for a William > DANIEL who died in 1839 that he had a brother named, James (probably the > James L. DANIEL who died in Macon, later) and that William died without > heirs and left everything to brother James. Their father was listed as a > John DANIEL and this bunch was not "po," from what I can tell. This 1839 > will for William DANIEL is hard to read but a Littleberry is mentioned in > it. I have a copy of it somewhere but the original is on file in the > probate records of Morgan County, GA. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:13 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL > > > > GENERATIONS ~ [Catch the Drewry DANIEL at Number Eight] > > > > 1. Robert COLEMAN, bc: 1620, + Elizabeth GRIZZEL Mott > > Deed dated 02 AUG 1658: Francis CARPENTER conveyed a tract of land in > > Westmoreland County to Robert COLEMAN of Mobjack Bay, Gloucester County, > VA [Deed > > and Will Book 1, pg 103, Westmoreland County Records] > > NOTE: Their son, Robert, bc: 1652, married Anne SPILSBY ~ See note below. > > > > > > 2. Thomas COLEMAN, bc: 1655, VA + and Rebecca UNKNOWN > > > > > > 3. John COLEMAN, b: 1699, Hanover, Goochland, VA + Grace UNKNOWN > > > > > > 4. Richard COLEMAN, b: 1722, VA ~ d: 1791 Rutherford County, NC + Johanna > > CLARK > > > > > > 5. Elizabeth COLEMAN + John CLAYTON Sr. [NOTE: Child 4 and 5, were > right > > there in NC in the middle of my NJ Quakers ~ also where there were DANIELs > and > > STOCKTONs, of which one Stockton family went on to Tennessee with some in > this > > same family on to Missouri] > > > > > > 6. Soloman CLAYTON SR. + Francis CARVER in Person County, NC > > > > > > 7. Simeon Thomas CLAYTON + Mary PAINTER Brown > > > > > > 8. Frances S. CLAYTON, bc: 1842 ~ Married (1) Calvin McKISSACK ~ Married > (2) > > DREWRY DANIEL > > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > 1810 Census Halifax County, North Carolina ~ Roll 38, Book 1, pg 123 > > Drewry DANIEL 1 (under 5) ~ ~ 1 (15/20) ~ 1 (30/40) ~ 1 (50/60) ~ (60/70) > ~ > > (70/80) > > > > 1830 Census Halifax County, North Carolina, Roll 121, Bk 1, pg 290a > > Drewry DANIEL, age 40 to 50 years, pg 290a ~ on pg 290b males & females > > listed in numbers, but no name on this "b" page to correspond back to the > name for > > that line. grrr... > > Leonard DANIEL lived down the road, age 30 to 40, pg 290a > > Margaret DANIEL, pg 291a ~ and next to her is a James McDANIEL ... hmmm > > Isham DANIEL, pg 296a ~ unreadable > > EdWARD DANIEL, pg 297a ~ unreadable > > Walton [?] DANIEL, pg 297a > > Wincey DANIEL, next door > > skip a name [Willie Manley] > > skip a name [Hartwell Hathcock] > > Isham DANIEL, pg 297a > > Robert B. DANIEL, pg 310a = 1 (under 5) 1 (5/10) 2 (10/15) 1 (15/20) ~ ~ 1 > > (40/50); females 1 (10/15) and 1 (30/40) > > Above [from first page] to page 315a. > > `````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > 1830 Census Fayette County, Tennessee, Roll 176, BK 1 pg 44a > > Drewry DANIEL, 1 (age 20/30) 1 female (under 5) and 1 female (20/30) > > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > `` > > ``````````````````````` > > > > BACK TO THE COLEMANs in the GENERATIONS above. > > Child of Robert COLEMAN and Anne SPILSBY: > > Spilsbe COLEMAN, Spotsylvania County, VA. ~ d: 23 MAR 1757 ~ WILL ~ > Witness > > Wm. DAVENPORT....Exec. brother, Thomas Coleman. Leg. brother-in-law > WILLIAM > > DANIEL; brother Robert Coleman; brother John Coleman; brother Richard > Coleman. > > The lease bought of Zachary TALIAFERRO to be sold and proceeds distributed > > amongst the poor of the parish. To brother, Thomas Coleman, remainder of > estate. > > [Virginia County Records Spotsylvania County 1721-1800 Will Book B > 1749-1759 > > pg 311] > > > > Spilsbe COLEMAN indeed had a sister named Elizabeth ~ but she [according > to > > others supposedly] married Daniel BROWN in 1714.... and I believe this is > the > > Elizabeth COLEMAN who married William DANIEL [maybe "also"] and became the > > brother-in-law mentioned by Spilsbe COLEMAN. His sister, Anne, married > William > > COVINGTON ~ and sister, Grizzell, married (1) Thomas HARDY and (2) John > > CHAMBERLAIN. ~ And, note that DAVENPORT name... Due to the time frame of > 1757, I > > suspect he was part of the NJ Francis DAVENPORT's family, Quakers, and > most > > influential amongst their peers. > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Anne, This bio on Charles in History of NC Baptists Vol. 1 1663-1825 will answer some of your questions: REV. CHARLES DANIEL Born Jan ---1731 near Richmond in Virgininia. Bred a churchman; embraced the principles of the Baptists in the Spring of 1749, and had the ordinance administerd to him by Rev. Josiah HART at Fishing Creek, Ordained August 16, 1753 by said HART and Rev. Henry LEDBETTER at said Fishing Creek. But by 1755 changed his sentiments towards the doctrines of grace, chiefly by means of reading Mr. WHITFIELD'S sermons; became minister of this church soon after the time of the constitution, November 15, 1756. Married Amy CLARK, but had no issue. He was reputed a knowing and wise man. and therefore often consulted in civil affairs. He dropped preaching from the time he suspected the orthodoxy of his first principals, and he was settled in the doctrines of Grace, and had the assurance thst he himself was in a state of grace. A footnote states: The Minutes of the Kehukee Associaation, p 11, indicate that it was for moral delinquency that Daniel was silenced. This is corraborated by Burkitt and Read's statement, Kehukee Association, 235. It appears that many of the earlier Baptist churches advocated allowing any prospective member to be immersed (Baptized) whereas Charles, Thomas and others believed no immersion could take place until there was a full profession of faith. You are aware from your property research that Charles, Thomas, Edmond and Eustace DANIEL all held property along Fishing Creek in Halifax County. As to where and when Thomas married Sarah BURNEY I speculate that it was probably Pitt County where Sarah's father Simon resided before leaving for GA. This may explain why no record of their marriage has surfaced because if memory serves Pitt Cty. suffered significant records destruction. As to when, at least before 1763 when Simon BURNEY deeded 2 negroes to his "son-in-law Thomas DANIEL of Halifax". The reference to Col. William Horn took place in 1755 at the time of unrest in the church. Susannah REED'S (READ) will was in Halifax County, NC. Susannah's maiden name was FULGHAM and she was out of a prominent Isle of Wight family as was her first husband Henry WEST. The Edmond DANIEL with spouse Alice died in Granville Cty., NC abt 1755. He was listed on a 1753 tax list with son Hustis and below them a Thomas DANIEL was listed. There may be some connection from these people to the Greene Cty. group but I have been unable to tie it together. Apologize for lack of dates and incomplete paraphrasing in earlier post. Mike

Bill, I am not anything close to an expert on those KY DANIEL folks. I know the GA bunch pretty well but stay out of "hoss country" up in Kentucky as often as possible. I did notice the Darnell name associated with one of your marriage record sources. Did you know that DARNELL sometimes later became DANIEL? I know this happened in Morgan County, GA, as the story goes........ John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] The Old Fence Sitter > John, > Benjamin Daniel married Margaret Brown in Caroline County, VA on 8 Sep 1790. > This is documented in "Marriages of Some Virginia Residents, 1607-1800," > Series I, Vol. 2, compiled by Dorothy Ford Wulfeck and published > 1963:Naugatuck, Conn. (page 216); in "Forks of Elkhorn Church" by Ermina > Jett Darnell, 1980:Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore (page 117). > Benjamin's wife is also identified in papers filed in Mercer County, KY > courthouse, said papers entitled "A Division Of Land Between Part of > Benjamin Daniel's Heirs," Book 12, pages 161-163, Mercer County Will Books. > Coleman Daniel is identified as Benjamin and Margaret's son in these same > papers. > > Admittedly, the documentation identifying Benjamin as a son of William > Daniel and Mary Snead is shaky, which is why I have always been careful to > point out the weaknesses. In the Madison, IN public library are papers, in > the Daniel Family Folder of their genealogical section, which appear to have > been copied from a family Bible. I can't be sure of this, as none of the > current staff (or current when I was there in 1990) have any knowledge of > how the library came into possession of the papers. That said, the papers > themselves contain the following entries: > > Page 1: > Under the heading of "DEATHS:" > "William Daniel departed this life 11th of March 1817 and > was buried at John Yeatman's in Franklin Co. Ky. > Mary Daniel departed this life 11th of December 1789 in > Caroline County, Virginia." > "Tabitha Buckner departed this life, September 19th 1838. > "Benjamin Daniel departed this life at his residence in Mercer > Co. Ky. May 19th, 1843, age 74 yrs. 7 mos. 1 day. > ... > "Margaret Daniel, mother of Coleman Daniel, departed > this life in Mercer Co. Ky. Feb. 15th 1857." > > Page 2: > Under the heading "BIRTHS:" > "William Daniel was born in Caroline Co. Virginia Mar. 1st > 1734. > Salie Daniel was born in Caroline Co. Virginia Jan. 15th > 1756 > Benjamin Daniel was born in Caroline Co. Virginia Oct. 18th > 1769." > > Page 3: > Under the heading of "MARRIAGES:" > "William Daniel was married to Mary Snead, daughter of > John Snead of Caroline Co. Virginia on the 6th day of April > 1764. > Benjamin Daniel was married to Margaret Brown Jan. 1, > 1790 in Caroline County, Virginia [the year is correct, but > the day of the marriage varies substantially from the official > records.]." > > As I said, this last document is at best secondary (or even fourthly) > information, and as such is not very strong. I have never been able to find > any record of William Daniel's purported marriage to Mary Snead. It is well > documented in histories of the area that John Snead operated a tavern near > the mill operated by William Daniel at this time. I have also found, in > "Virginia Publick Claims, Caroline County," transcribed and compiled by > Janice L. Abercrombie and Richard Slatten, published by Iberian Publishing > Co., Athens GA (page 24) the following: > > "Sneed, Mary assne of Wm. Daniel 180# beef 1-17-6." > > Since these "Publick Claims" were submitted to the U. S. government as > Revolutionary War claims, it seems that either 1)this was a different Mary > Sneed than the one William Daniel married; or 2)William Daniel and Mary > Sneed were never married and Benjamin was illegitimate. This is the basis > for my statement the he might have been illegitimate. At this point, I have > no idea. No, I have no DNA support, since I know of no living, unbroken > male line of this branch. Obviously, I'm not. The last surnamed Daniel in > my line was my great-grandmother, Virginia Wickliffe Daniel, who married > John King Weyer in Madison, IN on 14 Oct 1873. She was the daughter of > William A. Daniel, a grandson of Benjamin. > > In any case, I think the evidence suggests that Benjamin Daniel was a son of > one of the (many) William Daniel's. Along with many other people, I > sincerely hope that some day it can be established which William Daniel, but > until then, I think my documentation is as good as anyone has been able to > find so far...and I don't think I'm "wearing my family on my sleeve." I > have conducted a lot of research in my family lines, and where I think the > evidence is shaky, I am very careful to point it out. > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] The Old Fence Sitter > > > > Bill, > > Read what I said -- I said that was Payne's name for your families > > DANIEL line, at least at one time and that is still how I still carry it. > > My definition of "mess" means your family is questionable and while you > may > > think you know who your ancestors were, you do not seem to have a lot of > > early documentation for this line, do you? > > I think you said in one post, you thought your DANIEL ancestor was a > > illegitimate son of one of these DANIELS, did you not? That, in itself, > > makes your line rather questionable to me. Do you have any DNA support > for > > this assignment or is this just a hypothesis? > > Let me explain something to some of you. I know it is hard for some > not > > to "wear their families on their sleeves" but that is not how historical > or > > genealogical research is best handled. None of this is personal and if > you > > make it so, then you are just hurting yourself in the search for the > truth. > > I never made any point about where your family located except to say > > that many families who migrated to KY from VA or TN also later crossed the > > Ohio River into OH. IN and IL. Are you trying to tell me your family > > crossed over into IN without first crossing the Ohio River? Just exactly > > where was I in error in this statement? > > I also think you will find that any significant "permanent" migration > to > > IN or those points west of OH would probably have been after the War of > > 1812, because the British led Indians were really working over the > American > > inhabitants who lived to the west of a north-south line passing through > the > > Cincinnati, OH area during the War of 1812. And, IN is to the west of > OH, > > so if they lived in the IN area during the War of 1812, it would have been > a > > rather risky endeavor, unless they wanted their scalps to end up being > sold > > in Detroit. Afterwards, a little easier. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Mike, I agree -- I think there are two Thomas DANIEL's in Greene County, GA and the Charles name comes from the one not tied to the BURNEYS. I still have to believe the Charles DANIEL who married Elizabeth COFFEE has to be out of the DANIEL bunch tied to the CUNNINHAMS. The COFFEE's just kept it too close for him not to be out of that bunch. That bunch would have married their siblings if they could have and the CUNNINHGAMS, the same way. <grin> I am going to need to see some money and property floating with that bunch from Fishing Creek to cement them into a family because the CUNNINGHAMS and COFFEE's sure had it and I do not think they would let some old po old Baptist preacher into this bunch if they only came knocking with their hat in hand. Maybe Baptist preachers and their kids were an exception to this "hat in hand" rule, since we both know how mercenary the Baptists can be. <grin> I do assume you know that Jesse MERCER was born in Halifax District, Martin County, NC and you do not get any more Baptist than Brother Jesse. Also, his daughter, I have forgotten her name, married John CLARKE (1766-1832), as his first wife. Since he married her without Brother Jesse's permission and she died on their honeymoon -- Brother Jesse spent the remainder of his life ruining this son of Gen. Elijah CLARKE. He actually ran him out of the state of Georgia and he died down in FL. Later, this former GA Governor married Nancy WILLIAMSON, d/o of Col. Micajah WILLIAMSON and Sarah GILLIAM. Nor to overlook the fact that Nancy's sister, Susannah WILLIAMSON, married Thompson BIRD and their daughter, Sarah Williamson BIRD married Judge Lucious Q. C. LAMAR, Esq. (1797-1834) of Milledgeville, Baldwin County, GA. Nor overlooking the William DANIEL of Savannah, who I think was William Coffee DANIEL, who unsuccessfully interceded with the GA Senate to overturn the conviction of a Methodist minister in 1831. After this Methodist minister was hung and Judge LAMAR found him to be innocent two years later, Judge LAMAR took his own life in 1834. Nor to overlook the fact the person, Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, who married my GGM, Mary Jane RENEAU, as her second husband after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL in 1865, was living with Mrs. Sarah Williamson Bird LAMAR in 1850 in Oxford, Newton County, GA. I assume he was teaching at Oxford, now Emory.... BTW, her son, Justice Lucious Q. C. LAMAR married Virginia LONGSTREET, d/o Judge Augustus Baldwin LONGSTREET (1790-1870) of Augusta, Richmond County, GA. Judge LONGSTREET was the second president of Emory College and later, he was president of Centenary College and the University of MS at Oxford. Judge LONGSTREET was trained as an attorney at Yale but became disillusioned with the law after the death of one of his children and became a Methodist Circuit rider. He was also the uncle of Gen. James LONGSTREET of Georgia and his son in law, Lucious Q. C. LAMAR, Jr. was the Colonel of the 19th MS Infantry Regiment and later an Associate Justice of the US Supreme Court. Judge LONGSTREET died in Oxford, MS in 1870. A short bio of Judge LONGSTREET - " When the "faltering" hands of Ignatius Few let go the reins of the (Emory) College, the "stronger hands" of Judge Augustus Baldwin Longstreet took over, Bullock wrote in his history of Emory. Longstreet was an intelligent, exuberant, Yale-educated Georgian with an imposing presence and a lively sense of humor.... By the time he came to Emory at age fifty, Longstreet had practiced law in and around Augusta, served a term as judge of the Supreme Court of the Ocmulgee District, become a Methodist minister, edited and published an August newspaper, and written a series of sketches that were compiled in a book called Georgia Scences. These stories, told with the flair of a born raconteur and full of earthy humor, made their author famous across the United States." <<< 1850 Census 65th Dist., Newton Co., GA Sarah Lamar? 41 f 3500 b.GA Thompson 22 m Physcian b.GA Mary 17 f b.GA Jefferson 15 m b.GA Sarah 20 f b.FL W. M. Rivers 26 m Teacher b.SC G.P. Norman 18 m b.SC attended school R. ?????(illegible) 16 m b.SC attended school S. Wiggins 19 m b.SC attended school Robert Riley 20 m b.SC attended school ??????(illegible) Harris 16 m b.SC attended school ???? (illegible) Cullars 17 m b.SC attended school G. Bap 20 m b.SC attended school A. M. Williams 20 m b.SC attended school T. Terry 19 m b.SC attended school A. Lamar 18 m b.SC attended school W. W. Wallace 17 m b.SC attended school >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > Anne, > > Re: Thomas DANIEL & Sarah RANDLE (& all variations). If this is true, than > very probably there were two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County, GA.. Simon > BURNEY mentions his son-in-law Rev. Thomas DANIEL in his will (Greene Cty., GA, Jan > 1792) so it is very probable this Thomas married Sarah BURNEY. I believe > this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the History of NC > Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches: > > This Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the > defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had > suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower > Fishing Creek. > > I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the 1764 > will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and Charles > was executoi of the will. > > So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that married > both ladies (RANDLE & BURNEY). I believe we may be getting somewhere on thia > thanks to your posting. > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Down in my neck of the woods now... John Clark said: "Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS and was then living with her son, SCD." My Tennessee Daniel line (NOT related) came to Claiborne Co in 1851, after Smith Coffee Daniell. My father & grandfather were born there near Port Gibson. The Windsor home built by Smith Coffee Daniell was probably the finest home ever built in Claiborne County to this day. So fine that even the descendants of slaves who worked there take pride in having been there. People in Mississippi are proud of their heritage. My Harrell uncle kept a record of the birth of his slaves in his family Bible. This is a short extract from a very astute Negro lady who is a correspondent of mine: "With the help of another genealogy buff in my family, I have been able to crack the 1870 barrier. (I'll just outline the facts.) My family has a documented Windsor connection: My great-grandfather's grandparents, slaves, accompanied Frisby Freeland from Maryland to Mississippi. As slaves, they then passed to Frisby's son, Thomas Freeland. Thomas then passed them and their children (including my great grandfather's parents) down to Catherine Freeland who was married to Smith Coffee Daniel. So now, I understand why my great-grandfather came to name one of his sons Smith Daniel. It would also appear that this lends credence to the stories that came down from my great grandmother that she knew Windsor as a child because her mother worked in the kitchen. I suspect that Windsor may be where she met her future husband. Her parents had Paine and Wilkins as surnames. That will be the next search. Wish me luck. I also recently learned information about relative in Tippah (now Benton) County and followed him back through the diaries of the slaveowner Francis Terry Leak (held in the Southern History Collection at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and available on microfilm). I think it would be useful to now look for similar material from any of the Freelands and Daniels." Meanwhile, my direct ancestor H.P.K. Daniel worked as an overseer for his brother-in-law Wilford D. Boren. After Emancipation, some former slaves took the names of their owners, but many did not. We do find black Daniel and Boren families in the 1880 Claiborne Co census and consider this a sign of respect. All of us, black and white, are interested in finding out more about our families. We have more in common with each other than people from other parts of the country would ever understand. Despite what you may have heard about Mississippi, it is a very friendly place. Respectfully, Clay Daniels

Anne, Noticing the Grizelle name in this bunch. I assume you know that a James DANIEL married a Grizelle CLEMENTS and he lived in the general area we are talking about, right? I do not know where Payne has this James assigned, now, but the last I saw he had him assigned to Woodson DANIEL and Nancy of Greenville, NC. They say this James DANIEL (1866-BEF 1853) died in Henry County, AL BEF 1853, no specific date mentioned. I do not know at all on this boy.... What I do know is -- there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850 or 1859, 1859, I think is correct. This Capt. James L. DANIEL is also mentioned in the early records of Morgan County, GA. I first confused him with my James L. DANIEL (1814-1857) of Burke County, GA but they were not one in the same persons. I also know an Elizabeth DANIEL married a John PERRY in Morgan County, GA in 1817 and they later migrated to Barbour County, AL. I first thought she was a sibling of my bunch in Burke County, GA but I do not know anymore. I also know that in 1860 in Louisville, Jefferson County, GA that a John PERRY, born NC, age 61, is living with the widow of my James L. DANIEL, a Mrs. Ann DANIEL (1807-1861). Also, in Ann's 1861 will it mentions this same, John PERRY, and names him as her brother and he was also identified in the 1860 JC census as her brother. This 1861 will also says she has a sister named, "Maria HARDON" but another rendition says "Mary HARRISON," so I do not know on this one, either. <grin> I have never been able to link all of this bunch up together but HARDON may also have been PARTON.. This John PERRY was not buried with James and Ann DANIEL who are buried in Bethany ME Cemetery in Wadley, Jefferson County, GA with the DONOVANS, his daughter, Nancy Collins DANIEL's family. I also know from the probate records in Morgan County, GA for a William DANIEL who died in 1839 that he had a brother named, James (probably the James L. DANIEL who died in Macon, later) and that William died without heirs and left everything to brother James. Their father was listed as a John DANIEL and this bunch was not "po," from what I can tell. This 1839 will for William DANIEL is hard to read but a Littleberry is mentioned in it. I have a copy of it somewhere but the original is on file in the probate records of Morgan County, GA. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL > GENERATIONS ~ [Catch the Drewry DANIEL at Number Eight] > > 1. Robert COLEMAN, bc: 1620, + Elizabeth GRIZZEL Mott > Deed dated 02 AUG 1658: Francis CARPENTER conveyed a tract of land in > Westmoreland County to Robert COLEMAN of Mobjack Bay, Gloucester County, VA [Deed > and Will Book 1, pg 103, Westmoreland County Records] > NOTE: Their son, Robert, bc: 1652, married Anne SPILSBY ~ See note below. > > > 2. Thomas COLEMAN, bc: 1655, VA + and Rebecca UNKNOWN > > > 3. John COLEMAN, b: 1699, Hanover, Goochland, VA + Grace UNKNOWN > > > 4. Richard COLEMAN, b: 1722, VA ~ d: 1791 Rutherford County, NC + Johanna > CLARK > > > 5. Elizabeth COLEMAN + John CLAYTON Sr. [NOTE: Child 4 and 5, were right > there in NC in the middle of my NJ Quakers ~ also where there were DANIELs and > STOCKTONs, of which one Stockton family went on to Tennessee with some in this > same family on to Missouri] > > > 6. Soloman CLAYTON SR. + Francis CARVER in Person County, NC > > > 7. Simeon Thomas CLAYTON + Mary PAINTER Brown > > > 8. Frances S. CLAYTON, bc: 1842 ~ Married (1) Calvin McKISSACK ~ Married (2) > DREWRY DANIEL > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > 1810 Census Halifax County, North Carolina ~ Roll 38, Book 1, pg 123 > Drewry DANIEL 1 (under 5) ~ ~ 1 (15/20) ~ 1 (30/40) ~ 1 (50/60) ~ (60/70) ~ > (70/80) > > 1830 Census Halifax County, North Carolina, Roll 121, Bk 1, pg 290a > Drewry DANIEL, age 40 to 50 years, pg 290a ~ on pg 290b males & females > listed in numbers, but no name on this "b" page to correspond back to the name for > that line. grrr... > Leonard DANIEL lived down the road, age 30 to 40, pg 290a > Margaret DANIEL, pg 291a ~ and next to her is a James McDANIEL ... hmmm > Isham DANIEL, pg 296a ~ unreadable > EdWARD DANIEL, pg 297a ~ unreadable > Walton [?] DANIEL, pg 297a > Wincey DANIEL, next door > skip a name [Willie Manley] > skip a name [Hartwell Hathcock] > Isham DANIEL, pg 297a > Robert B. DANIEL, pg 310a = 1 (under 5) 1 (5/10) 2 (10/15) 1 (15/20) ~ ~ 1 > (40/50); females 1 (10/15) and 1 (30/40) > Above [from first page] to page 315a. > `````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > 1830 Census Fayette County, Tennessee, Roll 176, BK 1 pg 44a > Drewry DANIEL, 1 (age 20/30) 1 female (under 5) and 1 female (20/30) > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` `` > ``````````````````````` > > BACK TO THE COLEMANs in the GENERATIONS above. > Child of Robert COLEMAN and Anne SPILSBY: > Spilsbe COLEMAN, Spotsylvania County, VA. ~ d: 23 MAR 1757 ~ WILL ~ Witness > Wm. DAVENPORT....Exec. brother, Thomas Coleman. Leg. brother-in-law WILLIAM > DANIEL; brother Robert Coleman; brother John Coleman; brother Richard Coleman. > The lease bought of Zachary TALIAFERRO to be sold and proceeds distributed > amongst the poor of the parish. To brother, Thomas Coleman, remainder of estate. > [Virginia County Records Spotsylvania County 1721-1800 Will Book B 1749-1759 > pg 311] > > Spilsbe COLEMAN indeed had a sister named Elizabeth ~ but she [according to > others supposedly] married Daniel BROWN in 1714.... and I believe this is the > Elizabeth COLEMAN who married William DANIEL [maybe "also"] and became the > brother-in-law mentioned by Spilsbe COLEMAN. His sister, Anne, married William > COVINGTON ~ and sister, Grizzell, married (1) Thomas HARDY and (2) John > CHAMBERLAIN. ~ And, note that DAVENPORT name... Due to the time frame of 1757, I > suspect he was part of the NJ Francis DAVENPORT's family, Quakers, and most > influential amongst their peers. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Jack, When I saw this I looked through my database for MASSEY information. Since I had nothing on the CRIEFS, I looked over the MASSEYS that I have and only had one that looked interesting. William McDONALD (1749-ABT 1808), son of Daniel McDONALD (ABT 1723-ABT 1797) and Rebecca MIDDLETON of Fredericksburg, Lancaster District, SC married a Charlotte MASSEY. He was born in Lancaster District, SC and died in Chester County, SC. I do not know where Charlotte (ABT 1763-1812) was born but she died also in Chester County, SC. Daniel McDONALD was the son of Donald McDONALD and Mary of Williamsburg District, SC, formerly, Inverness, SCOTLAND. Of Daniel and Rebecca's kids. They married a KIMBALL, REEVES, WADE, FARRELL, WOODWARD, GLAZE and THOMPSON, according to what I have. The KIMBALLS were from Granville County, NC. Most of these kids seemed to hang around the Chester, Fairfield and Camden County, SC area. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack V Butler" <JackVButler@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL Drury Daniel is named as a son of William Daniel in this will abstract. Will of William Daniel, dated 6 Feb 1796, proved at Feb Court 1800 ; daughter Winnie Sexton (?) 5 shillings besides what she has already received from my estate. Daughter Ritter Saxon, Elizabeth Daniel and Patty Daniel 1 negro etc each. Son-in-law Calip Crief and son Lewis Daniel 5 shillings each. Daughter Frances Knight 5 shillings and 1 negro etc and at her decease the said Negro and her increase to be divided between the said Frances children. Son Archibald Daniel land and plantation whereon he now lives and 1 negro. Sons William Daniel and Drury Daniel manor plantation and land thereto belonging and one tract in Granville and Negroes when both arrive at lawful age; grandson Arthur Crief 1 negro; grandson John Massey £25. Wit: William Daniel; Willie Daniel; Allen Daniel; Thomas Crawford. Extrs: my sons Willie and Archibald. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL > GENERATIONS ~ [Catch the Drewry DANIEL at Number Eight] > > 1. Robert COLEMAN, bc: 1620, + Elizabeth GRIZZEL Mott > Deed dated 02 AUG 1658: Francis CARPENTER conveyed a tract of land in > Westmoreland County to Robert COLEMAN of Mobjack Bay, Gloucester County, VA [Deed > and Will Book 1, pg 103, Westmoreland County Records] > NOTE: Their son, Robert, bc: 1652, married Anne SPILSBY ~ See note below. > > > 2. Thomas COLEMAN, bc: 1655, VA + and Rebecca UNKNOWN > > > 3. John COLEMAN, b: 1699, Hanover, Goochland, VA + Grace UNKNOWN > > > 4. Richard COLEMAN, b: 1722, VA ~ d: 1791 Rutherford County, NC + Johanna > CLARK > > > 5. Elizabeth COLEMAN + John CLAYTON Sr. [NOTE: Child 4 and 5, were right > there in NC in the middle of my NJ Quakers ~ also where there were DANIELs and > STOCKTONs, of which one Stockton family went on to Tennessee with some in this > same family on to Missouri] > > > 6. Soloman CLAYTON SR. + Francis CARVER in Person County, NC > > > 7. Simeon Thomas CLAYTON + Mary PAINTER Brown > > > 8. Frances S. CLAYTON, bc: 1842 ~ Married (1) Calvin McKISSACK ~ Married (2) > DREWRY DANIEL > > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > 1810 Census Halifax County, North Carolina ~ Roll 38, Book 1, pg 123 > Drewry DANIEL 1 (under 5) ~ ~ 1 (15/20) ~ 1 (30/40) ~ 1 (50/60) ~ (60/70) ~ > (70/80) > > 1830 Census Halifax County, North Carolina, Roll 121, Bk 1, pg 290a > Drewry DANIEL, age 40 to 50 years, pg 290a ~ on pg 290b males & females > listed in numbers, but no name on this "b" page to correspond back to the name for > that line. grrr... > Leonard DANIEL lived down the road, age 30 to 40, pg 290a > Margaret DANIEL, pg 291a ~ and next to her is a James McDANIEL ... hmmm > Isham DANIEL, pg 296a ~ unreadable > EdWARD DANIEL, pg 297a ~ unreadable > Walton [?] DANIEL, pg 297a > Wincey DANIEL, next door > skip a name [Willie Manley] > skip a name [Hartwell Hathcock] > Isham DANIEL, pg 297a > Robert B. DANIEL, pg 310a = 1 (under 5) 1 (5/10) 2 (10/15) 1 (15/20) ~ ~ 1 > (40/50); females 1 (10/15) and 1 (30/40) > Above [from first page] to page 315a. > `````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > 1830 Census Fayette County, Tennessee, Roll 176, BK 1 pg 44a > Drewry DANIEL, 1 (age 20/30) 1 female (under 5) and 1 female (20/30) > ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` `` > ``````````````````````` > > BACK TO THE COLEMANs in the GENERATIONS above. > Child of Robert COLEMAN and Anne SPILSBY: > Spilsbe COLEMAN, Spotsylvania County, VA. ~ d: 23 MAR 1757 ~ WILL ~ Witness > Wm. DAVENPORT....Exec. brother, Thomas Coleman. Leg. brother-in-law WILLIAM > DANIEL; brother Robert Coleman; brother John Coleman; brother Richard Coleman. > The lease bought of Zachary TALIAFERRO to be sold and proceeds distributed > amongst the poor of the parish. To brother, Thomas Coleman, remainder of estate. > [Virginia County Records Spotsylvania County 1721-1800 Will Book B 1749-1759 > pg 311] > > Spilsbe COLEMAN indeed had a sister named Elizabeth ~ but she [according to > others supposedly] married Daniel BROWN in 1714.... and I believe this is the > Elizabeth COLEMAN who married William DANIEL [maybe "also"] and became the > brother-in-law mentioned by Spilsbe COLEMAN. His sister, Anne, married William > COVINGTON ~ and sister, Grizzell, married (1) Thomas HARDY and (2) John > CHAMBERLAIN. ~ And, note that DAVENPORT name... Due to the time frame of 1757, I > suspect he was part of the NJ Francis DAVENPORT's family, Quakers, and most > influential amongst their peers. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe Click on the following link and your message is ready to send Mail Mode: mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe or- Digest Mode: mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Anne, Speaking of the name, Drury. The second wife of William Russell DANIEL (1843-1904), a Clara A. VINING (ABT 1853-1921), was married, first, to Drury P. EVANS (1823-1894) of Madison, Morgan County, GA in 1893. He died in 1894 and she married William Russell DANIEL after his wife's death in 1896. This lady seemed to kill them off, quick. Her first husband lasted a year and her second, not quite 8. I have a picture of her taken in 1916 with the BISHOPS and she was a tall, tough looking old bird. <grin> Clara A. VINING was not buried with WRD and his first wife, so I do not know where she was buried. WRD and Florence A. FISK, his first wife, are buried with Professor W. M. RIVERS and my GGM, Mary Jane Reneau Daniel RIVERS, in the DANIEL family plot in the New Section of the Madison City Cemetery, Madison, Morgan County, GA. This DANIEL plot is located adjacent to several RICHTER family plots in the same cemetery and was one of the first ones occupied in the New Section of this cemetery. However Mary Jane's lot was not located right next to her daughter, Alice E. DANIEL, who was buried in the John C. RICHTER Family lot - they are about 100 or more feet apart. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Someone asked about Drewry DANIEL > Jack, From your posted Will, and considering the census I sent to the list, > then plus the Drewry/Drury DANIEL who married the CLAYTON lady, bc: 1842, it > would appear there were several with this christian name... and here I had > thought it unusual. The DANIEL names that I listed from the Halifax Co NC census > are all totally foreign to me regarding my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE families. > And, would need to look back in my "Tennessee Cousins" ~ by none other than > Worth S. RAY ~ to see if he didn't claim Drury/Drewry as part of his DANIEL > families. I know "a" Drury/Drewry is mentioned, but don't remember the context. > Thanks for your post. Anne > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Anne, You asked a question -- were there two Thomas DANIELS in Greene County, GA. My thoughts, exactly. Did you go through all of those deeds I posted last week as relates to Augusta County, VA? If you did, then I am sure you saw all of the REEDS listed in them. I felt the REED and McDONALD/DONELLY deeds were a different DANIEL related family than the other deeds listed with the other McDONALD/DONELLY family. I never could get a good grasp on either of these families, picture wise, but I think one or both of them came from PA. As for the name, Charles DANIEL. Like you, I think VA but probably unlike you I still think they were probably a part of the Coffee-Daniel-Cunningham bunch that migrated into Greene County, GA. Thomas was a big name in the Cunningham's, as was Samuel. I cannot figure out where the Charles name came from but I know it was not a eastern NC name -- where the BURNEYS were from, nor was it a IOW DANIEL name. Also, both William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL, sons of Charles DANIEL and Elizabeth COFFEE of Greene County, GA met the financial profile of the CUNNINGHAMS to a tee. WCD owned property all over the place, including a plantation named, Oglethorpe, in Burke County, GA. SCD was a real shaker and mover over in the Claiborne County, MS area and of a similar statue. Mrs. Elizabeth Coffee DANIEL died in Claiborne County, MS and was then living with her son, SCD. I think you may also be right -- one, maybe two DANIEL families in Greene County, GA may have been cobbled together. The BURNEYS are a hard bunch to track. In Madison, (Morgan County) they are both Baptist and Methodist which makes one wonder whether they really one family or two separate and distinct families. I do not have a good handle on them and I should. Sam BURNEY was a Baptist preacher but others are listed as Methodist. Sam is also a big CUNNINHAM name. Maybe I need to see what I can find on this bunch from one of my people on my Morgan County, GA list. It may give some better insight on this bunch. I know there is only one CUNNINGHAM family left in Madison. A CUNNINGHAM boy runs the nice restaurant on the square in Madison. I talked to him several years ago over a cup of coffee and he told me they, like my RICHTERS, no longer lived in Madison, except for him. However, a James CUNNINHGAM was one of the first merchants in Madison, GA so there is more than a casual connection between Morgan County, GA and Greene County, GA, as relates to this family. Remember also that the RICHTERS were also merchants, as were the FITZPATRICKS. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ RANDLE, MURDEN ~ ASBURY > > Mike: I believe this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the > History of NC Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches > > Anne: Looks like we have the same church denomination... and that alone > means something. I hate to be a drag, but could you please write out what the > "History of NC Baptists" reported exactly and especially what were the dates? > > Nothing to do with this situation, but, I still remember reading in an old > book [published in Texas some years ago] about from where Asbury DANIEL > supposedly came. It stated Asbury was most probably a son of a John DANIEL and had > Asbury trailed off into unknown outer space, while in reality, he was a son of > Henning DANIEL and his Hannah ASBURY. > > Mike: Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the > defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had > suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower > Fishing Creek. > > Anne: [Lower] Fishing Creek... same area mentioned in that deed transaction > I earlier posted. But, what were the dates of this above occurance? > > Mike: I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the > 1764 > will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and > Charles was executor of the will. > > Anne: Well, Reed [READE] is certainly a name associated with my ASBURYs. > Where did the above take place? There was also an Edmund DANIEL who married an > Alice [surname doesn't come to me at the moment ~ the couple was mentioned > briefly in the Louise Pecquet du Bellet's books, pub 1907] and I seem to recall > it was in the Halifax NC area. This Edmund died before his Alice... my cousin > and I have tried our very best to make some kind of connection... and it just > wasn't there. Then, we had thought, just maybe, our Edmund was their son, all > this after our Edmund was "dismissed" from the Wm DANIEL + Elizabeth COLEMAN > family.... he didn't work either. > > Mike: So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that > married both ladies (RANDLE &BURNEY) > > Anne: Mike, It still isn't "set" in my brain as to when the Thomas DANIEL > who married the BURNEY lady occurred, or where. And, from your note, I'm > guessing it was in Halifax County? If he were a son of Charles, then he would not > have been a contemporary of my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE... and then maybe Charles > just also named a son Thomas and he was the one that married the BURNEY lady. > Who did Charles DANIEL marry... Amy who? > > I'm certainly willing to accept and bend about most anything if true facts > are presented.... but, I don't like new "assignments" without solid backup... > who does around here? Believe me, it's difficult to change one's ancestry after > having certain names drilled into your memory from childhood by your parents > and grandparents... especially when they were born in the 1800s... nearer to > the time of events. But, mistakes do happen... usually minor though. > > Thanks Mike for your post and I'm sure we will work it all out. Anne > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Mike: I believe this Thomas was a brother of Charles DANIEL as stated in the History of NC Baptists when referring to Halifax County churches Anne: Looks like we have the same church denomination... and that alone means something. I hate to be a drag, but could you please write out what the "History of NC Baptists" reported exactly and especially what were the dates? Nothing to do with this situation, but, I still remember reading in an old book [published in Texas some years ago] about from where Asbury DANIEL supposedly came. It stated Asbury was most probably a son of a John DANIEL and had Asbury trailed off into unknown outer space, while in reality, he was a son of Henning DANIEL and his Hannah ASBURY. Mike: Col William HORN (of the Falls of Tar River church) coming to the defense of his view got into a heated argument with Elder Thomas DANIEL, who had suceeded his brother, Rev. Charles DANIEL, as pastor of the church at Lower Fishing Creek. Anne: [Lower] Fishing Creek... same area mentioned in that deed transaction I earlier posted. But, what were the dates of this above occurance? Mike: I note also that Thomas & Edmund and Charles' wife Amy witnessed the 1764 will of Susannah Reed, formerly Susannah WEST (widow of Henry WEST) and Charles was executor of the will. Anne: Well, Reed [READE] is certainly a name associated with my ASBURYs. Where did the above take place? There was also an Edmund DANIEL who married an Alice [surname doesn't come to me at the moment ~ the couple was mentioned briefly in the Louise Pecquet du Bellet's books, pub 1907] and I seem to recall it was in the Halifax NC area. This Edmund died before his Alice... my cousin and I have tried our very best to make some kind of connection... and it just wasn't there. Then, we had thought, just maybe, our Edmund was their son, all this after our Edmund was "dismissed" from the Wm DANIEL + Elizabeth COLEMAN family.... he didn't work either. Mike: So I guess the question is were there two Thomases or one Thomas that married both ladies (RANDLE &BURNEY) Anne: Mike, It still isn't "set" in my brain as to when the Thomas DANIEL who married the BURNEY lady occurred, or where. And, from your note, I'm guessing it was in Halifax County? If he were a son of Charles, then he would not have been a contemporary of my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE... and then maybe Charles just also named a son Thomas and he was the one that married the BURNEY lady. Who did Charles DANIEL marry... Amy who? I'm certainly willing to accept and bend about most anything if true facts are presented.... but, I don't like new "assignments" without solid backup... who does around here? Believe me, it's difficult to change one's ancestry after having certain names drilled into your memory from childhood by your parents and grandparents... especially when they were born in the 1800s... nearer to the time of events. But, mistakes do happen... usually minor though. Thanks Mike for your post and I'm sure we will work it all out. Anne

Jack, From your posted Will, and considering the census I sent to the list, then plus the Drewry/Drury DANIEL who married the CLAYTON lady, bc: 1842, it would appear there were several with this christian name... and here I had thought it unusual. The DANIEL names that I listed from the Halifax Co NC census are all totally foreign to me regarding my Edmund DANIEL + TEMBTE families. And, would need to look back in my "Tennessee Cousins" ~ by none other than Worth S. RAY ~ to see if he didn't claim Drury/Drewry as part of his DANIEL families. I know "a" Drury/Drewry is mentioned, but don't remember the context. Thanks for your post. Anne