According to Tattnall Co, GA MARRIAGES From 1802 to 1850, page 3, Zachariah Daniel married Ally Duberly on 09/16/1836. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > Morning John, this info is very helpful, thanks. I have found another date > of marriage but I am checking that out before I change anything. We may have > a child "born before marriage" situation here? > > I trust you and all the List folks had a quiet weekend. Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:02 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > Payne, > > I have seen it listed anywhere from 10 to 12 children but I only have > > additional information on 6 of these. The date you have for their > marriage > > is the same as I have and the location for their marriage is Tattnall > > County, GA. I have seen Alley and Alia but I think the latter is correct. > > > > Here is what I have for Zachariah and Alie DANIEL: > > <<< > > James H. married Hendrick > > Mary b: 1837 ,M:15 Sept. 1859 Ashford Yeomans > > Aaron b: 1839, M: Ruth Bower M2? > > Elender b: 1840 > > Caroline b: 1842 > > Barbary b: 1843 M: John Yeomans > > Cosine Marshell b: 1845 M: Manning Peterson > > Salome b: 1847 > > Jane b: 1849, never married > > Moses, b:1851, M: 19 Dec 1880 Eliza Carver Harper > > Marjory b: 1854, M: R. A. Smith > > Solomon, b:1869, never married > > >>> > > > > These must have been her brothers and I have her father as a John > DUBBERLY. > > > > <<< > > 1850 Tattnall County, GA Census > > Visit 392 > > DUBERLY Joseph 62 1788 M w Farmer N.Carolina > > Hollon 57 1793 M w S.Carolina > > Nancy 20 1830 F w Tattnall > > Cyntha 16 1834 F w Tattnall > > Luranie 9 1841 F w Tattnall > > Willam 13 1837 M w Tattnall > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ----Visit 43 > > DUBULY Willam 23 1827 M w Farmer Tattnall > > Nancy 22 1828 F w Tattnall > > Edward 3m 1850 M w Tattnall > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > > > > John, I have a date of marriage of Zach and Alley Dubberly Daniel as 8 > > Sep. > > > 1836. Is that correct if James H. Daniel was born in 1832? One source > says > > > there were 10 children but I have 13, is that correct? Thanks for > posting > > > the "Bio". > > > > > > Payne > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:06 AM > > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > This BIO of James H. DANIEL of Millen, Jenkins County, GA was recently > > > > posted to the Burke County, GA GENWEB website. It is attached, below. > > > > > > > > Some say that James H. DANIEL married a Mary HENDRICKS but that is not > > the > > > > case, unless HENDRICKS was her married name.. They also state in this > > BIO > > > > he was born in 1831 and not the 1832 date often listed for him. > > > > > > > > James Hiram DANIEL was a son of Zachariah DANIEL and Alia DUBBERYL and > a > > > > grandson of Aaron DANIEL, Jr. and Mary STANALAND, according to my > > > > information, which seems to be partly confirmed by this BIO. I also > > know > > > > this DANIEL family owned a large, fancy hotel in Millen, at some > point. > > > > > > > > I also know that some of my DANIEL family members (TARVER descendants) > > > were > > > > buried in the same cemetery in Millen where this DANIEL was buried, > but > > I > > > do > > > > not know if they were connected or not. These TARVERS and these > DANIELS > > > > also seem to have been associated with the railroad and my direct > bunch > > in > > > > Jefferson County, GA were also associated with the GA Railroad. > > > > > > > > I also know the PALMER family of Burke County, GA were closely > > associated > > > > with my DANIEL bunch in Burke and the mercantile business is a common > > link > > > > to my family in Madison, GA, also in the mercantile business. > > > > > > > > We need to straighten out this DANIEL family is the will of Aaron > > DANIEL, > > > > Sr. or his wife, Betsy WHITFIELD. Or, at the very least lay our hands > > on > > > > some document that outlines, specifically, the children of this DANIEL > > > > family. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > Author: Author Unknown - Taken from Memoirs of Ga., Vol II > > > > Memoirs of Georgia, Vol. II, Atlanta, Ga., pages 824-825 > > > > Published by the Southern Historical Association in 1895 > > > > > > > > J.H. Daniel, merchant, Millen, was born in Burke County in 1831, and > is > > > the > > > > son > > > > of Zack and Lydia (Griffin) Daniel. His father was a native of, and > > > > followed > > > > farming all his life in Burke County, and his grandfather, a native of > > > North > > > > Carolina, first settled in Burke County about 1800. The parents of > the > > > > mother > > > > of Mr. Daniel were born in South Carolina and moving to Georgia died > in > > > this > > > > state. He was educated at the public schools and in 1858 he married > > Mary > > > H. > > > > Gray, daughter of Robert H. Gray. Mr. Gray was born in Columbia, > S.C., > > > and > > > > moved to Waynesboro, Ga. He was tax receiver for a number of years > and > > > > afterward moved to Millen, where he died in 1870. To this union were > > born > > > > four > > > > children, now living: Robert G., engaged in business with his father, > > now > > > in > > > > England; James H., also in business with his father; and Grover > > Stanley.* > > > > The > > > > mother was born in Waynesboro in 1840. They are both active members > of > > > the > > > > Methodist Episcopal Church, and he is a member of the Masonic > > fraternity. > > > > In > > > > 1855 he was made tax receiver of Burke County and held the office two > > > years. > > > > He was then employed as a mail clerk for two years and was then > promoted > > > to > > > > conductor, and afterward became a railroad agent at Millen. He also > > > > established a general mercantile business in 1876, which has seen been > > > > continued. He is a partner in the firm of Daniel Sons & Palmer, and > > owns > > > > large > > > > farming interests in both Burke and Screven Counties. Mr. Daniel has > > > about > > > > 20,000 acres of land, a large number being in cultivation, in tilling > > > which > > > > he > > > > runs about 130 plows; his cotton production being about 1,500 bales > > > > annually. > > > > Mr. Daniel is one of the best businessmen in Screven County, and > handles > > > the > > > > reins of his vast interests without any apparent responsibility. He > > lives > > > > in a > > > > fine residence near Millen. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Note - the biography states Mr. Daniel has four children but only > three > > > are > > > > listed. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Morning John, this info is very helpful, thanks. I have found another date of marriage but I am checking that out before I change anything. We may have a child "born before marriage" situation here? I trust you and all the List folks had a quiet weekend. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > Payne, > I have seen it listed anywhere from 10 to 12 children but I only have > additional information on 6 of these. The date you have for their marriage > is the same as I have and the location for their marriage is Tattnall > County, GA. I have seen Alley and Alia but I think the latter is correct. > > Here is what I have for Zachariah and Alie DANIEL: > <<< > James H. married Hendrick > Mary b: 1837 ,M:15 Sept. 1859 Ashford Yeomans > Aaron b: 1839, M: Ruth Bower M2? > Elender b: 1840 > Caroline b: 1842 > Barbary b: 1843 M: John Yeomans > Cosine Marshell b: 1845 M: Manning Peterson > Salome b: 1847 > Jane b: 1849, never married > Moses, b:1851, M: 19 Dec 1880 Eliza Carver Harper > Marjory b: 1854, M: R. A. Smith > Solomon, b:1869, never married > >>> > > These must have been her brothers and I have her father as a John DUBBERLY. > > <<< > 1850 Tattnall County, GA Census > Visit 392 > DUBERLY Joseph 62 1788 M w Farmer N.Carolina > Hollon 57 1793 M w S.Carolina > Nancy 20 1830 F w Tattnall > Cyntha 16 1834 F w Tattnall > Luranie 9 1841 F w Tattnall > Willam 13 1837 M w Tattnall > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----Visit 43 > DUBULY Willam 23 1827 M w Farmer Tattnall > Nancy 22 1828 F w Tattnall > Edward 3m 1850 M w Tattnall > >>> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > John, I have a date of marriage of Zach and Alley Dubberly Daniel as 8 > Sep. > > 1836. Is that correct if James H. Daniel was born in 1832? One source says > > there were 10 children but I have 13, is that correct? Thanks for posting > > the "Bio". > > > > Payne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:06 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > This BIO of James H. DANIEL of Millen, Jenkins County, GA was recently > > > posted to the Burke County, GA GENWEB website. It is attached, below. > > > > > > Some say that James H. DANIEL married a Mary HENDRICKS but that is not > the > > > case, unless HENDRICKS was her married name.. They also state in this > BIO > > > he was born in 1831 and not the 1832 date often listed for him. > > > > > > James Hiram DANIEL was a son of Zachariah DANIEL and Alia DUBBERYL and a > > > grandson of Aaron DANIEL, Jr. and Mary STANALAND, according to my > > > information, which seems to be partly confirmed by this BIO. I also > know > > > this DANIEL family owned a large, fancy hotel in Millen, at some point. > > > > > > I also know that some of my DANIEL family members (TARVER descendants) > > were > > > buried in the same cemetery in Millen where this DANIEL was buried, but > I > > do > > > not know if they were connected or not. These TARVERS and these DANIELS > > > also seem to have been associated with the railroad and my direct bunch > in > > > Jefferson County, GA were also associated with the GA Railroad. > > > > > > I also know the PALMER family of Burke County, GA were closely > associated > > > with my DANIEL bunch in Burke and the mercantile business is a common > link > > > to my family in Madison, GA, also in the mercantile business. > > > > > > We need to straighten out this DANIEL family is the will of Aaron > DANIEL, > > > Sr. or his wife, Betsy WHITFIELD. Or, at the very least lay our hands > on > > > some document that outlines, specifically, the children of this DANIEL > > > family. > > > > > > > > > <<< > > > Author: Author Unknown - Taken from Memoirs of Ga., Vol II > > > Memoirs of Georgia, Vol. II, Atlanta, Ga., pages 824-825 > > > Published by the Southern Historical Association in 1895 > > > > > > J.H. Daniel, merchant, Millen, was born in Burke County in 1831, and is > > the > > > son > > > of Zack and Lydia (Griffin) Daniel. His father was a native of, and > > > followed > > > farming all his life in Burke County, and his grandfather, a native of > > North > > > Carolina, first settled in Burke County about 1800. The parents of the > > > mother > > > of Mr. Daniel were born in South Carolina and moving to Georgia died in > > this > > > state. He was educated at the public schools and in 1858 he married > Mary > > H. > > > Gray, daughter of Robert H. Gray. Mr. Gray was born in Columbia, S.C., > > and > > > moved to Waynesboro, Ga. He was tax receiver for a number of years and > > > afterward moved to Millen, where he died in 1870. To this union were > born > > > four > > > children, now living: Robert G., engaged in business with his father, > now > > in > > > England; James H., also in business with his father; and Grover > Stanley.* > > > The > > > mother was born in Waynesboro in 1840. They are both active members of > > the > > > Methodist Episcopal Church, and he is a member of the Masonic > fraternity. > > > In > > > 1855 he was made tax receiver of Burke County and held the office two > > years. > > > He was then employed as a mail clerk for two years and was then promoted > > to > > > conductor, and afterward became a railroad agent at Millen. He also > > > established a general mercantile business in 1876, which has seen been > > > continued. He is a partner in the firm of Daniel Sons & Palmer, and > owns > > > large > > > farming interests in both Burke and Screven Counties. Mr. Daniel has > > about > > > 20,000 acres of land, a large number being in cultivation, in tilling > > which > > > he > > > runs about 130 plows; his cotton production being about 1,500 bales > > > annually. > > > Mr. Daniel is one of the best businessmen in Screven County, and handles > > the > > > reins of his vast interests without any apparent responsibility. He > lives > > > in a > > > fine residence near Millen. > > > > > > > > > *Note - the biography states Mr. Daniel has four children but only three > > are > > > listed. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Payne, I have seen it listed anywhere from 10 to 12 children but I only have additional information on 6 of these. The date you have for their marriage is the same as I have and the location for their marriage is Tattnall County, GA. I have seen Alley and Alia but I think the latter is correct. Here is what I have for Zachariah and Alie DANIEL: <<< James H. married Hendrick Mary b: 1837 ,M:15 Sept. 1859 Ashford Yeomans Aaron b: 1839, M: Ruth Bower M2? Elender b: 1840 Caroline b: 1842 Barbary b: 1843 M: John Yeomans Cosine Marshell b: 1845 M: Manning Peterson Salome b: 1847 Jane b: 1849, never married Moses, b:1851, M: 19 Dec 1880 Eliza Carver Harper Marjory b: 1854, M: R. A. Smith Solomon, b:1869, never married >>> These must have been her brothers and I have her father as a John DUBBERLY. <<< 1850 Tattnall County, GA Census Visit 392 DUBERLY Joseph 62 1788 M w Farmer N.Carolina Hollon 57 1793 M w S.Carolina Nancy 20 1830 F w Tattnall Cyntha 16 1834 F w Tattnall Luranie 9 1841 F w Tattnall Willam 13 1837 M w Tattnall ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----Visit 43 DUBULY Willam 23 1827 M w Farmer Tattnall Nancy 22 1828 F w Tattnall Edward 3m 1850 M w Tattnall >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > John, I have a date of marriage of Zach and Alley Dubberly Daniel as 8 Sep. > 1836. Is that correct if James H. Daniel was born in 1832? One source says > there were 10 children but I have 13, is that correct? Thanks for posting > the "Bio". > > Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:06 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > > > > Good Morning, > > This BIO of James H. DANIEL of Millen, Jenkins County, GA was recently > > posted to the Burke County, GA GENWEB website. It is attached, below. > > > > Some say that James H. DANIEL married a Mary HENDRICKS but that is not the > > case, unless HENDRICKS was her married name.. They also state in this BIO > > he was born in 1831 and not the 1832 date often listed for him. > > > > James Hiram DANIEL was a son of Zachariah DANIEL and Alia DUBBERYL and a > > grandson of Aaron DANIEL, Jr. and Mary STANALAND, according to my > > information, which seems to be partly confirmed by this BIO. I also know > > this DANIEL family owned a large, fancy hotel in Millen, at some point. > > > > I also know that some of my DANIEL family members (TARVER descendants) > were > > buried in the same cemetery in Millen where this DANIEL was buried, but I > do > > not know if they were connected or not. These TARVERS and these DANIELS > > also seem to have been associated with the railroad and my direct bunch in > > Jefferson County, GA were also associated with the GA Railroad. > > > > I also know the PALMER family of Burke County, GA were closely associated > > with my DANIEL bunch in Burke and the mercantile business is a common link > > to my family in Madison, GA, also in the mercantile business. > > > > We need to straighten out this DANIEL family is the will of Aaron DANIEL, > > Sr. or his wife, Betsy WHITFIELD. Or, at the very least lay our hands on > > some document that outlines, specifically, the children of this DANIEL > > family. > > > > > > <<< > > Author: Author Unknown - Taken from Memoirs of Ga., Vol II > > Memoirs of Georgia, Vol. II, Atlanta, Ga., pages 824-825 > > Published by the Southern Historical Association in 1895 > > > > J.H. Daniel, merchant, Millen, was born in Burke County in 1831, and is > the > > son > > of Zack and Lydia (Griffin) Daniel. His father was a native of, and > > followed > > farming all his life in Burke County, and his grandfather, a native of > North > > Carolina, first settled in Burke County about 1800. The parents of the > > mother > > of Mr. Daniel were born in South Carolina and moving to Georgia died in > this > > state. He was educated at the public schools and in 1858 he married Mary > H. > > Gray, daughter of Robert H. Gray. Mr. Gray was born in Columbia, S.C., > and > > moved to Waynesboro, Ga. He was tax receiver for a number of years and > > afterward moved to Millen, where he died in 1870. To this union were born > > four > > children, now living: Robert G., engaged in business with his father, now > in > > England; James H., also in business with his father; and Grover Stanley.* > > The > > mother was born in Waynesboro in 1840. They are both active members of > the > > Methodist Episcopal Church, and he is a member of the Masonic fraternity. > > In > > 1855 he was made tax receiver of Burke County and held the office two > years. > > He was then employed as a mail clerk for two years and was then promoted > to > > conductor, and afterward became a railroad agent at Millen. He also > > established a general mercantile business in 1876, which has seen been > > continued. He is a partner in the firm of Daniel Sons & Palmer, and owns > > large > > farming interests in both Burke and Screven Counties. Mr. Daniel has > about > > 20,000 acres of land, a large number being in cultivation, in tilling > which > > he > > runs about 130 plows; his cotton production being about 1,500 bales > > annually. > > Mr. Daniel is one of the best businessmen in Screven County, and handles > the > > reins of his vast interests without any apparent responsibility. He lives > > in a > > fine residence near Millen. > > > > > > *Note - the biography states Mr. Daniel has four children but only three > are > > listed. > > > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Hi- I would look real closely at the Woodson-DANIELS because the NAPIERS are either tied are close to the WOODSONS, WATKINS, FITZPATRICKS, PERRINES, etc out of Goochland, Fluvanna, New Kent and Cumberland County, VA area. This is part of the Roger DANIELL line. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.M. Daniel" <mdaniel_1@hotmail.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel-Guthrie in Middlesex Co. My Daniel line starts in VA with John Daniel b: ca 1769, VA. He died in Ky ca 1840. John married Catherine NAPIER, who was born in 1772 in Franklin Co.,VA Can anyone link this John Daniel to the Middlesex bunch? Or can anyone tell me which family line this John Daniel is from ?. In 1810 John and Catherine are in Lee County,VA and some of their sons are on the tax rolls in Knox Co., Kentucky. I have this line down from John and Catherine but I have no idea who John's parents or siblings were or which county he was born in. Most researchers for this family line use the Daniel name with the 'S' although I have never seen it in any census or land records with the 'S'. Then from my Guthrie line, I find a few Daniel and Guthrie links that go along with what Mike Daniel wrote: ......I can confuse this further. When Thomas Daniel of Green County, GA gave power of attorney for his land to Ruben Guthrie in Madison County, KY ca 1795...... Notes from Middlesex records which I received from Larry J. Guthrie: Sept. 1719--John and Jane Guthery sold two acres of land to Robert Daniel. >From the Middlesex Co., Deed Book 1687-1750, Gen. Index #1, loose deeds the following: John and Jane Guthery to Robert Daniel: Two acres for fifty shillings "lying on the north side of Briary Swamp bounded with the land of Katherine Young, (Note the above John and Jane Guthrey is John Guthrie and Jane Mitcham of Middlesex Co., VA. John is the son of John Guthrie and Elizabeth Baskett. John was baptized July 28, 1689. John and Jane were married 5, August 4, 1710. Jane died April 22, 1722. John died in 1733. Sept. 1719--John and Jane Guthery sold two acres of land to Robert Daniel. >From the Middlesex Co., Deed Book 1687-1750, Gen. Index #1, loose deeds the following: John and Jane Guthery to Robert Daniel: Two acres for fifty shillings "lying on the north side of Briary Swamp bounded with the land of Katherine Young, widow, the Briary Swamp and a line of marked trees running from the sd Briary Swamp to the line of Katherine Young and adjoining upon the land of the sd. John Guttery, now in the actual possession of the sd. Robert Daniel... mark of John and Jane Guthrie. At a court held for Middlesex County ye day of Sept., 1719. Witnesses: Wm. Garwood, John Ragan, John Hunt 1740--William Guthery, orphan of John Guthery, dec'd, is bound out to James Daniel, Jr. Christ Church Parish Records. William is the son of John Guthrie and Mary Shay. This is the same John that was married to Jane Mitcham above. 1744--William Guthrie, orphan of John Guthrey, dec'd, is now bound out to Robert Daniel. See 1740. 5 January 1747--Inventory of John Guthrie. From Middlesex Co., VA will Book C: Mary Guthrey and George Gueist adx. (Copy in hand). This will be the John Guthrie of John Guthrie and Jane Mitcham. James Daniel was appointed to appraise the estate of John Guthrie dec'd. (Will Bk. C, pp. 392-394) ( To clarify things. John married 3 times: Sarah Stiff, Jane Mitcham,and Mary Shay John the elder died in 1733, John the son in 1747.) 3 May 1757 George Daniel was appointed "guardian of Jane and Ann Guthrie, orphans of the Nash District on Adams Creek. (this is the area that became Person Co., NC) 2 October 1764--Richard Daniel and Margaret Gutery marr: Surety James Worsham. Middlesex Co., VA Marriages. And the following will of Benjamin Guthrie: In the name of God Amen, I Benjamen Guthrie of the Parish of Christ Church in the county of Middlesex, Virginia being sick and weak in body, but of ? ? ? , do make and ordain this my last will and testament in all manner and form.... folllowing ?, that is to say, I will that my debts and funeral charges be paid and discharged by my executor herein after named. ----------- ITEM I give and bequeath unto my sister Frances Tuggle, my shoe buckles and blouse buttons. ITEM I give unto Samuel Daniel, son of William and Lucy Daniel one hundred and fifty pounds Virginia currency for his schooling. ITEM I give and bequeath unto Cathy Daniel, daughter of William and Lucy Daniel one hundred pounds Virginia Currency for her schooling.. Lastly I do appoint Robert ? and Samuel Guthrie Executor of this my last will and testement hereby revoking all other will and testements ..... I believe the will is dated Feb. 1780 _ I hope this helps along the search lines. Michelle M. 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My Daniel line starts in VA with John Daniel b: ca 1769, VA. He died in Ky ca 1840. John married Catherine NAPIER, who was born in 1772 in Franklin Co.,VA Can anyone link this John Daniel to the Middlesex bunch? Or can anyone tell me which family line this John Daniel is from ?. In 1810 John and Catherine are in Lee County,VA and some of their sons are on the tax rolls in Knox Co., Kentucky. I have this line down from John and Catherine but I have no idea who John's parents or siblings were or which county he was born in. Most researchers for this family line use the Daniel name with the 'S' although I have never seen it in any census or land records with the 'S'. Then from my Guthrie line, I find a few Daniel and Guthrie links that go along with what Mike Daniel wrote: ......I can confuse this further. When Thomas Daniel of Green County, GA gave power of attorney for his land to Ruben Guthrie in Madison County, KY ca 1795...... Notes from Middlesex records which I received from Larry J. Guthrie: Sept. 1719--John and Jane Guthery sold two acres of land to Robert Daniel. >From the Middlesex Co., Deed Book 1687-1750, Gen. Index #1, loose deeds the following: John and Jane Guthery to Robert Daniel: Two acres for fifty shillings "lying on the north side of Briary Swamp bounded with the land of Katherine Young, (Note the above John and Jane Guthrey is John Guthrie and Jane Mitcham of Middlesex Co., VA. John is the son of John Guthrie and Elizabeth Baskett. John was baptized July 28, 1689. John and Jane were married 5, August 4, 1710. Jane died April 22, 1722. John died in 1733. Sept. 1719--John and Jane Guthery sold two acres of land to Robert Daniel. >From the Middlesex Co., Deed Book 1687-1750, Gen. Index #1, loose deeds the following: John and Jane Guthery to Robert Daniel: Two acres for fifty shillings "lying on the north side of Briary Swamp bounded with the land of Katherine Young, widow, the Briary Swamp and a line of marked trees running from the sd Briary Swamp to the line of Katherine Young and adjoining upon the land of the sd. John Guttery, now in the actual possession of the sd. Robert Daniel... mark of John and Jane Guthrie. At a court held for Middlesex County ye day of Sept., 1719. Witnesses: Wm. Garwood, John Ragan, John Hunt 1740--William Guthery, orphan of John Guthery, dec'd, is bound out to James Daniel, Jr. Christ Church Parish Records. William is the son of John Guthrie and Mary Shay. This is the same John that was married to Jane Mitcham above. 1744--William Guthrie, orphan of John Guthrey, dec'd, is now bound out to Robert Daniel. See 1740. 5 January 1747--Inventory of John Guthrie. From Middlesex Co., VA will Book C: Mary Guthrey and George Gueist adx. (Copy in hand). This will be the John Guthrie of John Guthrie and Jane Mitcham. James Daniel was appointed to appraise the estate of John Guthrie dec'd. (Will Bk. C, pp. 392-394) ( To clarify things. John married 3 times: Sarah Stiff, Jane Mitcham,and Mary Shay John the elder died in 1733, John the son in 1747.) 3 May 1757 George Daniel was appointed "guardian of Jane and Ann Guthrie, orphans of the Nash District on Adams Creek. (this is the area that became Person Co., NC) 2 October 1764--Richard Daniel and Margaret Gutery marr: Surety James Worsham. Middlesex Co., VA Marriages. And the following will of Benjamin Guthrie: In the name of God Amen, I Benjamen Guthrie of the Parish of Christ Church in the county of Middlesex, Virginia being sick and weak in body, but of ? ? ? , do make and ordain this my last will and testament in all manner and form.... folllowing ?, that is to say, I will that my debts and funeral charges be paid and discharged by my executor herein after named. ----------- ITEM I give and bequeath unto my sister Frances Tuggle, my shoe buckles and blouse buttons. ITEM I give unto Samuel Daniel, son of William and Lucy Daniel one hundred and fifty pounds Virginia currency for his schooling. ITEM I give and bequeath unto Cathy Daniel, daughter of William and Lucy Daniel one hundred pounds Virginia Currency for her schooling.. Lastly I do appoint Robert ? and Samuel Guthrie Executor of this my last will and testement hereby revoking all other will and testements ..... I believe the will is dated Feb. 1780 _ I hope this helps along the search lines. Michelle M. Daniel _________________________________________________________________ High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

The DANIELS James M. TN Cleveland 568 is James Madison Daniel Sr., my great grandfather. DNA kit number 4116. He was born Wayne County TN., 6 Dec 1837,

Hi, Wanda, you wrote: > I would appreciate any info anyone has about Elisha Daniel who is listed on > the 1860 census in Lowndes Co., GA.. His age is listed as 32 yrs.; his wife is > Mary P., 28 yrs., and his children are: Francis P., 9 yrs.; Augustus, 6 > yrs.; Moses, 2 yrs.; and John W., 10 months. Thanks! Wanda > > Elisha, age 22, is listed in 1850 Georgia, Richmond county, district 73, page 536(a): #1478 Moses Daniel 46, farmer Dorothea 50 Elisha 22 Elizabeth 21 Augustus 17 Martha 12 Nancy 10 all born N Car Moses is also there in Richmond in 1840 and there appear to be an older son and daughter as well. Moses and Dorothy are in Warren county in 1860 (daughter Nancy is called Mary here, everything else fits), then in Emanuel co in 1870 (just Moses, Dolly, and Martha). Except for those notes I posted last year that's all I have. Regards, Pam in CA

I would appreciate any info anyone has about Elisha Daniel who is listed on the 1860 census in Lowndes Co., GA.. His age is listed as 32 yrs.; his wife is Mary P., 28 yrs., and his children are: Francis P., 9 yrs.; Augustus, 6 yrs.; Moses, 2 yrs.; and John W., 10 months. Thanks! Wanda

http://www.ok-history.mus.ok.us/lib/1890/1890index.htm 1890 Oklahoma Census Index ~ Name, where from, and county of Okla DANIEL AMOS ~ MS Canadian 753 DANIEL DANIELS NC Logan 153 DANIEL DORA M. R. E. IL Oklahoma 385 DANIEL MARGARET A. IL Payne 1049 DANIELS ALFRED N. IN Logan 277 DANIELS EDWARD IL Logan 157 DANIELS JACK AR Oklahoma 546 DANIELS JACKSON TN Logan 188 DANIELS JAMES H. WV Oklahoma 474 DANIELS JAMES M. TN Cleveland 568 DANIELS JENNIE AL Logan 246 DANIELS JOSEPH IL Cleveland 659 DANIELS JOSEPH J. KS Canadian 701 DANIELS SALEY TX Canadian 769 DANIELS SAMUEL W. OH Oklahoma 331 MCDANIEL ALLEN A. IA Logan 140 MCDANIEL EMMA LA Oklahoma 460 MCDANIEL FRANK MS Payne 1163 MCDANIEL JAMES I. IA Logan 127 MCDANIEL WILLIAM M. MS Oklahoma 463 MCDANIELS DAVID MO Logan 180 MCDANNEL JAMES E. KY Oklahoma 527

John, I have a date of marriage of Zach and Alley Dubberly Daniel as 8 Sep. 1836. Is that correct if James H. Daniel was born in 1832? One source says there were 10 children but I have 13, is that correct? Thanks for posting the "Bio". Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:06 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] James H. DANIEL of Millen, GA > Good Morning, > This BIO of James H. DANIEL of Millen, Jenkins County, GA was recently > posted to the Burke County, GA GENWEB website. It is attached, below. > > Some say that James H. DANIEL married a Mary HENDRICKS but that is not the > case, unless HENDRICKS was her married name.. They also state in this BIO > he was born in 1831 and not the 1832 date often listed for him. > > James Hiram DANIEL was a son of Zachariah DANIEL and Alia DUBBERYL and a > grandson of Aaron DANIEL, Jr. and Mary STANALAND, according to my > information, which seems to be partly confirmed by this BIO. I also know > this DANIEL family owned a large, fancy hotel in Millen, at some point. > > I also know that some of my DANIEL family members (TARVER descendants) were > buried in the same cemetery in Millen where this DANIEL was buried, but I do > not know if they were connected or not. These TARVERS and these DANIELS > also seem to have been associated with the railroad and my direct bunch in > Jefferson County, GA were also associated with the GA Railroad. > > I also know the PALMER family of Burke County, GA were closely associated > with my DANIEL bunch in Burke and the mercantile business is a common link > to my family in Madison, GA, also in the mercantile business. > > We need to straighten out this DANIEL family is the will of Aaron DANIEL, > Sr. or his wife, Betsy WHITFIELD. Or, at the very least lay our hands on > some document that outlines, specifically, the children of this DANIEL > family. > > > <<< > Author: Author Unknown - Taken from Memoirs of Ga., Vol II > Memoirs of Georgia, Vol. II, Atlanta, Ga., pages 824-825 > Published by the Southern Historical Association in 1895 > > J.H. Daniel, merchant, Millen, was born in Burke County in 1831, and is the > son > of Zack and Lydia (Griffin) Daniel. His father was a native of, and > followed > farming all his life in Burke County, and his grandfather, a native of North > Carolina, first settled in Burke County about 1800. The parents of the > mother > of Mr. Daniel were born in South Carolina and moving to Georgia died in this > state. He was educated at the public schools and in 1858 he married Mary H. > Gray, daughter of Robert H. Gray. Mr. Gray was born in Columbia, S.C., and > moved to Waynesboro, Ga. He was tax receiver for a number of years and > afterward moved to Millen, where he died in 1870. To this union were born > four > children, now living: Robert G., engaged in business with his father, now in > England; James H., also in business with his father; and Grover Stanley.* > The > mother was born in Waynesboro in 1840. They are both active members of the > Methodist Episcopal Church, and he is a member of the Masonic fraternity. > In > 1855 he was made tax receiver of Burke County and held the office two years. > He was then employed as a mail clerk for two years and was then promoted to > conductor, and afterward became a railroad agent at Millen. He also > established a general mercantile business in 1876, which has seen been > continued. He is a partner in the firm of Daniel Sons & Palmer, and owns > large > farming interests in both Burke and Screven Counties. Mr. Daniel has about > 20,000 acres of land, a large number being in cultivation, in tilling which > he > runs about 130 plows; his cotton production being about 1,500 bales > annually. > Mr. Daniel is one of the best businessmen in Screven County, and handles the > reins of his vast interests without any apparent responsibility. He lives > in a > fine residence near Millen. > > > *Note - the biography states Mr. Daniel has four children but only three are > listed. > > >>> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

I can confuse this further. When Thomas Daniel of Green County, GA gave power of attorney for his land to Ruben Guthrie in Madison County, KY ca 1795, my ancestor, Thomas Daniel was living in that county and left immediately for Clark County. When Thomas Daniel of Greene County, GA gave power of attorney for his land in Montgomery County, KY to Enoch Smith in 1809, my Thomas Daniel had departed Montgomery County for Illinois a couple of years earlier. Enoch Smith was tied into the Loudoun County, VA bunch which my Thomas' son, Estridge, married into when he married Mary Fox in 1805. Land that Estridge owned was bounded by land of a Thomas Daniel, but I have never been able to find out which Thomas as there is no deed for this land under the name of Thomas Daniel in any of these Kentucky counties. In Illinois, a county history says my family came to Illinois from Georgia, but I have never been able to find anything to support this. It looks, however, as if my family came from the Essex bunch, as they used the name Walker and there is a DNA match to William Daniel who married Verlinda Simmons. Fun. Kevin John R. Clarke wrote: >Mike, > Well, I see we are back to Joseph WILLIAMS aren't we? Old Jo was not >"po folks" and any link between Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA to Old >Joe puts Thomas DANIEL in a completely different DANIEL family in my >opinion. > We know the Kelso-Daniel bunch migrated from PE to Greene County, GA and >the adjacent county to PE was Granville County, NC, were Joseph WILLIAMS was >from. We also know this Kelso-Daniel bunch is all over the COFFEES, as are >the CUNNINGHAMS, and as was Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. > Also, how does one reconcile the KY property you list for this Thomas >when he was supposedly from Halifax County, NC? It does not match. > Something else is going on, here, and I have often considered the >possibility that Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was a Middlesex DANIEL >but he could be out of that Kelso-Daniel bunch from VA. I do not know but >my guess is -- he was a VA DANIEL. > Like the old saying for adopted kids, "you feed 'em long enough and they >start to look like you." In genealogy, 'if they hang around you long >enough, there is a good chance they are related to you." <grin> > >John R. Clarke >Thomasville, GA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Runforf471@aol.com> >To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:29 AM >Subject: Re: UORRE: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > >>John, >> >>I think perhaps you underestimate the financial wherewithal of the Rev. >> >> >Tom. > > >>The very informative source posted by Diane states " Thomas >>DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and >>Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in >>Kentucky." I am aware through recorded deeds of many of his holdings in >> >> >Ga. > > >>including an 810 acre "gift" from Joseph WILLIAMS to "my friend" Thomas >>DANIELL in Franklin Cty., GA. in 1791. This was not a poor itinerant >> >> >preacher and > > >>if his daughter Mary was indeed married to Jonas Fauche the family's >> >> >social and > > >>political status weren't lacking in any respects I can immediately see. >> >>Mike Daniel >> >> >> >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe >>Click on the following link and your message is ready to send >>Mail Mode: >>mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >>or- >>Digest Mode: >>mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> >> > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > >

Diane, I found your contribution to the List quite helpful in my better understanding of the Thomas Daniel family. I am not too concerned about the spellings of the last name as long as the right person is identified. We need to determine if Mary Daniel FAUCHE was the daughter of Thomas and it appears that way since she died before he did. [Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...."] So who was FAUCHE, Jonas? I fully agree with Mike's position that the financial wherewithal of the Rev. Tom. was more than adequate for the period. Mike, we do have a dilimia. Was Martha's dad Major John or Thomas Smith SCREVEN, Jr.? I am not well versed enough on the Screven family to help on that quandary. This is John's contribution [ MAJ John SCREVEN, Jr. (1777-1830) married twice. Martha's mother was his first wife, I think, Hannah PROCTOR whom he married in 1797. He married, second, her sister, Sarah PROCTOR, in 1803.] ?????? In regard to the O'Daniel/Daniell/Daniel bunch, I follow Robert Daniel's documentation of these various individuals such as William O'Daniel and James Daniell. The research for this family is sound and well researched. Just my thoughts, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Carrington Bradford" <wdbradford@mindspring.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: UORRE: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > Here is an item I recently found in the GEORGIA GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE, > No. 91, Winter 1984 that appears to support Mike's first two newspaper > items. This item was a query posted for additional info on Thomas > DANIEL, so some of it will be a repeat of what Listers researching > this family may already know, but there is also some additional info > that I think Listers might find interesting; I am posting only the > pertinent content of the query. The submitter used both the single > "L" and double "L" spellings of DANIEL in this query, but mostly the > DANIELL spelling. I added the all-caps surnames per the convention > used on the Daniel-L,........ AND I QUOTE: > > "...[Thomas DANIEL] was a resident of Greene County, GA., having died > there in 1813; his wife, Sarah Burney DANIELL [sic], died there in > 1815 or 16. They had three children, two sons and a daughter; their > sons were: William and Charles; the daughter Nancy, who married an > Eden Coleman. William married Mary King and Charles married Elizabeth > Coffee, daughter of Peter Coffee and Sarah Smith. > > "Thomas in his will names his wife, Sarah, and daughter, Nancy; he > made bequests to the following named grandchildren: Charles William > DANIEL, son of Wm. DANIELL, decsd., John K. DANIELL, Polly DANIELL, > Sally B. DANIELL, Maria DANIELL, Harriett Ann DANIELL, and his > daughter-in-law, Mary King, widow of William DANIELL, decsd. Thomas > DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and > Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in > Kentucky. > > "Thomas DANIELL's son, Charles, died in Greene County while clearing > some of his land; a tree fell on him; he left a widow; Elizabeth > (Betsy) Coffee, and three children, two sons and a daughter; the sons > names were: William Coffee Daniell, who later became a doctor and was > also mayor of Savannah, Ga.; his other son, Smith Coffee DANIELL, who > was an Indian fighter of some fame and later became a rather large > land holder in Miss., his home being in Claiborne County, the > daughter's name was Sophia "Tinsy" DANIELL. > > "...I would also like to know where Benjamin Richard DANIELL, who died > Natchitoches, La., Sept/. 22, 1867, is buried;; he was the first son > of Dr. Wm. C. DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN of Savannah, Ga." END > QUOTE > > The conclusions one might draw from comparing the newspaper death > notice for the OTHER daughter and the info in the query include: > > 1. Mary Daniel FAUCHE never had any children or they would have been > listed in Thomas DANIELL's will with his other grandchildren. > > 2. For the same reason, there was no need for Thomas DANIELL to > mention his deceased daughter in his will, so researchers always > assumed Thomas and Sarah (Burney) DANIELL had only three children. > > Another conclusion one might reach concerns the Methodist minister > wrongly convicted of murder and John Clarke's theory that it was > William Coffee Daniel who spoke for the minister's innocence to the > Georgia General Assembly: > > 3. As mayor, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN were among > the social and political leaders of Savannah, Ga. So, yes, John, it > is virtually certain that the Wm. C. Daniel who addressed the Georgia > General Assembly on behalf of the convicted Methodist minister was, > indeed, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL, mayor (or former mayor) of > Savannah. Who else would have had the clout to be placed on the > Assembly's agenda on behalf of a convicted murderer, and who else > could have hoped that his credentials and connections were extensive > enough and important enough to possibly persuade the General Assembly > of the innocence of the convicted Methodist minister? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Runforf471@aol.com [mailto:Runforf471@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:04 AM > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary > FAUCHE...." > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of > late, Mary > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of > Greene > Cty', GA. > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on > the > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John > SCREVEN, and > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged > up. > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Good Morning, This BIO of James H. DANIEL of Millen, Jenkins County, GA was recently posted to the Burke County, GA GENWEB website. It is attached, below. Some say that James H. DANIEL married a Mary HENDRICKS but that is not the case, unless HENDRICKS was her married name.. They also state in this BIO he was born in 1831 and not the 1832 date often listed for him. James Hiram DANIEL was a son of Zachariah DANIEL and Alia DUBBERYL and a grandson of Aaron DANIEL, Jr. and Mary STANALAND, according to my information, which seems to be partly confirmed by this BIO. I also know this DANIEL family owned a large, fancy hotel in Millen, at some point. I also know that some of my DANIEL family members (TARVER descendants) were buried in the same cemetery in Millen where this DANIEL was buried, but I do not know if they were connected or not. These TARVERS and these DANIELS also seem to have been associated with the railroad and my direct bunch in Jefferson County, GA were also associated with the GA Railroad. I also know the PALMER family of Burke County, GA were closely associated with my DANIEL bunch in Burke and the mercantile business is a common link to my family in Madison, GA, also in the mercantile business. We need to straighten out this DANIEL family is the will of Aaron DANIEL, Sr. or his wife, Betsy WHITFIELD. Or, at the very least lay our hands on some document that outlines, specifically, the children of this DANIEL family. <<< Author: Author Unknown - Taken from Memoirs of Ga., Vol II Memoirs of Georgia, Vol. II, Atlanta, Ga., pages 824-825 Published by the Southern Historical Association in 1895 J.H. Daniel, merchant, Millen, was born in Burke County in 1831, and is the son of Zack and Lydia (Griffin) Daniel. His father was a native of, and followed farming all his life in Burke County, and his grandfather, a native of North Carolina, first settled in Burke County about 1800. The parents of the mother of Mr. Daniel were born in South Carolina and moving to Georgia died in this state. He was educated at the public schools and in 1858 he married Mary H. Gray, daughter of Robert H. Gray. Mr. Gray was born in Columbia, S.C., and moved to Waynesboro, Ga. He was tax receiver for a number of years and afterward moved to Millen, where he died in 1870. To this union were born four children, now living: Robert G., engaged in business with his father, now in England; James H., also in business with his father; and Grover Stanley.* The mother was born in Waynesboro in 1840. They are both active members of the Methodist Episcopal Church, and he is a member of the Masonic fraternity. In 1855 he was made tax receiver of Burke County and held the office two years. He was then employed as a mail clerk for two years and was then promoted to conductor, and afterward became a railroad agent at Millen. He also established a general mercantile business in 1876, which has seen been continued. He is a partner in the firm of Daniel Sons & Palmer, and owns large farming interests in both Burke and Screven Counties. Mr. Daniel has about 20,000 acres of land, a large number being in cultivation, in tilling which he runs about 130 plows; his cotton production being about 1,500 bales annually. Mr. Daniel is one of the best businessmen in Screven County, and handles the reins of his vast interests without any apparent responsibility. He lives in a fine residence near Millen. *Note - the biography states Mr. Daniel has four children but only three are listed. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Mike, Well, I see we are back to Joseph WILLIAMS aren't we? Old Jo was not "po folks" and any link between Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA to Old Joe puts Thomas DANIEL in a completely different DANIEL family in my opinion. We know the Kelso-Daniel bunch migrated from PE to Greene County, GA and the adjacent county to PE was Granville County, NC, were Joseph WILLIAMS was from. We also know this Kelso-Daniel bunch is all over the COFFEES, as are the CUNNINGHAMS, and as was Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Also, how does one reconcile the KY property you list for this Thomas when he was supposedly from Halifax County, NC? It does not match. Something else is going on, here, and I have often considered the possibility that Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was a Middlesex DANIEL but he could be out of that Kelso-Daniel bunch from VA. I do not know but my guess is -- he was a VA DANIEL. Like the old saying for adopted kids, "you feed 'em long enough and they start to look like you." In genealogy, 'if they hang around you long enough, there is a good chance they are related to you." <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: UORRE: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > John, > > I think perhaps you underestimate the financial wherewithal of the Rev. Tom. > The very informative source posted by Diane states " Thomas > DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and > Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in > Kentucky." I am aware through recorded deeds of many of his holdings in Ga. > including an 810 acre "gift" from Joseph WILLIAMS to "my friend" Thomas > DANIELL in Franklin Cty., GA. in 1791. This was not a poor itinerant preacher and > if his daughter Mary was indeed married to Jonas Fauche the family's social and > political status weren't lacking in any respects I can immediately see. > > Mike Daniel > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Robert, As you know, there is big difference in how a family spelled their names in family related legal documents and how clerks, census takers and other folks spelled their name. <grin> We even see spellings like, McDANIEL and McDONALD, used for the spelling of this O'DANIEL family in civil records, don't we? Unlike some who seem to put a lot of stock in how a certain family spelled their name or did not spell their name, most family names went through a rather complex metamorphosis and this would generally continue up until about the end of the 19th Century. I think the key to when a particular spelling went into general use by some families was when that family put down roots and were no longer moving all over the place. This is because the key source for the spelling of a family's name were all of those family tomb stones they usually saw each Sunday when they went to church, since their ancestors were usually buried in their church's cemetery or in family cemeteries on the "home place". Until this generational continuity begin to occur, the spelling of a family's name would often continue to evolve as they moved from hither to yon, especially if they were escaping creditors and maybe a rather dubious past. <grin> In the better educated and more affluent families, this was seldom was a problem because these families were usually very proud of their family's heritage, as well as the spelling of their family name. Also, since these families tended to put down roots much sooner, than less affluent and educated families, the exact spelling of their names was usually locked in much sooner. Since your family was generally better educated, they knew the difference between these various spellings and once they locked in to a particular spelling, they stuck with it, didn't they? Not to mention all of the local newspapers who generally printed their names in legal documents and newsworthy items, at a much higher incidence than less affluent and educated families. There is nothing like "reinforcement" to keep the spelling of a family's name on the straight and narrow. Also, if you want to make some families really mad, just misspell their name in a newspaper article. I am also sure this was the case, then, as well, as now. Other factors that contributed to the spelling of a family's name was -- the published spelling of the name of famous relatives or even the spelling of the name of famous people. Just put a person's name in a history book or newspaper and you will be surprised how many families adopt that spelling of their family name. There are countless members of the PEARCE and PEIRCE families who later spelled their name, PIERCE, strictly because of the often published spelling of the name of President Franklin PIERCE. LEE is another example, because I am quite sure more than a few LEA's and LEAH's later adopted the spelling, LEE, especially after the ride to glory of Gen. Robert E. LEE during the CW. KEY and KEA are other examples because everybody wanted to be related to Francis Scott KEY. <grin> I guess one could say, there is nothing like a little "vicarious glory" to lock in the spelling of a family's name. In fact, I guess that is why we are all beating the bushes trying to find out a little bit more about our ancestors, so we can have a little bit more of that "vicarious glory." <grin> If you want to see someone stop searching for information on their ancestors, just let them find out that one of their ancestors was hung as a horse thief, was a convicted felon or was of mixed race descent. However, if they should discover they "may be" related to some famous personage, their research takes on a who new impetus, no matter how nebulous the link may be. <grin> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > John, > > In trying to keep the name change from O'DANIEL to DANIEL and DANIELL > straight, the following appears to be the true in the lines of William of > Stafford's three sons: > > The William O'DANIEL family of Kershaw uses the DANIEL spelling rather than > the LL. Only one document has surfaced with William's son, William III, b. > 1755, using the DANIELL spelling, that in 1802. In all others, when not > O'DANIEL, DANIEL prevails, as in William III's LW&T of 1828. > > The DANIELL spelling is used by James O'DANIEL, 1721-1798, and his > descendants. The last record found of James using O'DANIEL, is the deed of > sale August 16, 1757 of 100 acres of land in Fairfax Co., VA, inherited from > his father to Rev. Charles GREEN. This is the document that proves he is > the James DANIELL of SC because the document initially identifies the seller > as James O'DANIEL of the Province of South Carolina and shows the > acknowledgment of sale as by James DANIELL, in four places. Just to keep > things confusing though, records pertaining to James' line are also found > using the single L. > > The family line of the third brother, John O'DANIEL of Fairfax, VA uses > DANIEL. The LL spelling has not been found been found in his line. > > Hope this helps. > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > Mike, > > Mine records are not, as relates to the SCREVENS. First, I do not > like > > the assignment of Dr. William Coffee DANIELL to Charles DANIEL and then > > Thomas and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA. Something does not smell > > right, there. > > I have no disagreement with Dr. DANIEL being a son of Charles DANIEL > of > > Greene County, GA who died in 1800 or whenever but who he married and the > > money he had does not match up with the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY > > bunch. It matches up much closer with the high stepping CUNNINGHAMS, than > > with the BURNEYS, especially since this CUNNINGHAM bunch was also all over > > the COFFEES. > > As relates to the SCREVENS. I too, had a problem getting them > straight. > > MAJ John SCREVEN, Jr. (1777-1830) married twice. Martha's mother was his > > first wife, I think, Hannah PROCTOR whom he married in 1797. He married, > > second, her sister, Sarah PROCTOR, in 1803. > > Martha's brother, Dr. James Proctor SCREVEN (1799-1859) was in > > partnership with Dr. DANIEL in Savannah. He married Hannah Georgia > BRYAN, > > d/o the Hon. Joseph BRYAN, Esq. of Savannah, later, Nonchalance > Plantation, > > Wilmington Island, Chatham County, GA. Her mother was Delia FOREMAN, born > > Maryland, died at their plantation on Wilmington Island, GA. Martha and > > James also had a sister, Amelia Sophia SCREVAN and I do not know who she > > married. > > I am pretty sure the PROCTORS were the same PROCTORS out of > Charleston, > > which is where MAJ SCREVEN was born. He was the son of Col. John SCREVEN, > > Sr. and Elizabeth PENDARVIS and grandson of James SCREVEN, Sr. and Mary > > Hyrne SMITH. Mary was the d/o Landgrave Thomas SMITH, Jr. and Mary HYRNE, > > all of Charleston. > > Get this, Elizabeth PENDARVIS (1755-1804) was the d/o Josiah PENDARVIS > > and Mary BEDON, d/o Richard BEDON and Martha FULLER of Charleston, SC. > Her > > brother, Josiah, married a STROBO. This PENDARVIS bunch in Charleston > gets > > a little convoluted because there are some name changes -- PENDARVIS to > > BEDON is one of them but the fact remains there are not only connections > in > > it to other Charleston families. > > One of the interesting PENDARVIS links is to the Ann PENDARVIS who > > married James O'DANIEL (1760-1826) of Kershaw County, SC, son of William > > O'DANIEL, Jr. and UNK of Kershaw County, SC, formerly of Fairfax County, > > VA. His brother, John O'DANIEL married a McINTOSH, another Charleston > family > > and the McINTOSH's of Charleston are also tied to the FLETCHERS of the > same > > location. We also know that DANIELS also tied to FLETCHERS, later. We > > also know this O'DANIEL family also used the DANIELL spelling. > > The primary reason I question the William Coffee DANIEL assignment > is > > because the links in this bunch point right back into the families of > > Charleston, as do my DANIEL bunch. I cannot tell you who his parents were > > but the links in his family point right back to Charleston, SC, even the > > double L spelling of his name. However, O'DANIEL is a real possibility > > because they, too, used the double L spelling of the DANIEL name. > > This may also be a "class marriage" and not a family marriage, I do > not > > know but what I do know is WCD was not the grandson of a itinerate Baptist > > preacher. Of that, I am pretty sure. His brother, Smith Coffee DANIEL > > also matches the same profile, as Dr. DANIEL. I am also pretty sure this > > was the same William DANIEL of Savannah who was in the GA Senate and > > appealed the death sentence imposed by Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR, Sr. of > > Milledgeville in 1831 on a Methodist minister, accused of killing his > wife's > > younger sister. > > These were not "po folks" and people who attended medical college of > any > > variety in the 1820's came from good families of more than moderate > wealth. > > I am also pretty sure they were on a equal financial footing with the > LAMARS > > of GA. After all, Judge LAMAR's son, L. Q. C. LAMAR, Jr. was an Associate > > Justice of the US Supreme Court. > > Justice LAMAR was educated at Oxford, the Methodist college in Newton > > County, GA and in 1850 my Professor Winfield M. RIVERS (1824-1905) of > James > > Island, SC, a graduate of Charleston College, was residing in the same > > household with Justice LAMAR's mother, Sarah Williamson Bird LAMAR, in > > Oxford, Newton County, GA. Professor RIVERS married my GGM, Mary Jane > > RENEAU (1830-1912), after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, in 1865, > so > > there is a family attachment between my DANIEL or DANIELL family and these > > other families. Also, Mary Jane's uncle, Norris RENEAU, ran a fleet of > > privateers for the CSN out of Savannah during the CW, so I also have > > connections to Savannah in this bunch. > > Also, Dr. William Coffee DANIEL owned a plantation, named Oglethorpe, > in > > Burke County, GA and my DANIEL bunch was also from Burke County, GA, > > originally. A link between all of this bunch -- I do not know. > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:03 AM > > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > > > > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > > > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...." > > > > > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of late, > > Mary > > > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > > > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of Greene > > > Cty', GA. > > > > > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on > the > > > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John SCREVEN, > > and > > > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > > > > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged up. > > > > > > Believe this was in a GA newspaper: " Died 2nd May 1839 at the > residence > > of > > > her son-in-law T.W. WILLIAMS, Esq., Cokesbury, Mrs. Martha DANIEL in her > > > 77th year. She was born in VA and came to SC in 1814. Member of the > > > Presbyterian Church but her faith & beliefs were those of the Methodist > > Church. > > > signed W.D. WIGHTMA, Cokesbury May 31, 1839." > > > > > > Does anyone recognize this Martha? > > > > > > Mike Daniel > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > > Mail Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > or- > > > Digest Mode: > > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

John, I think perhaps you underestimate the financial wherewithal of the Rev. Tom. The very informative source posted by Diane states " Thomas DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in Kentucky." I am aware through recorded deeds of many of his holdings in Ga. including an 810 acre "gift" from Joseph WILLIAMS to "my friend" Thomas DANIELL in Franklin Cty., GA. in 1791. This was not a poor itinerant preacher and if his daughter Mary was indeed married to Jonas Fauche the family's social and political status weren't lacking in any respects I can immediately see. Mike Daniel

John, In trying to keep the name change from O'DANIEL to DANIEL and DANIELL straight, the following appears to be the true in the lines of William of Stafford's three sons: The William O'DANIEL family of Kershaw uses the DANIEL spelling rather than the LL. Only one document has surfaced with William's son, William III, b. 1755, using the DANIELL spelling, that in 1802. In all others, when not O'DANIEL, DANIEL prevails, as in William III's LW&T of 1828. The DANIELL spelling is used by James O'DANIEL, 1721-1798, and his descendants. The last record found of James using O'DANIEL, is the deed of sale August 16, 1757 of 100 acres of land in Fairfax Co., VA, inherited from his father to Rev. Charles GREEN. This is the document that proves he is the James DANIELL of SC because the document initially identifies the seller as James O'DANIEL of the Province of South Carolina and shows the acknowledgment of sale as by James DANIELL, in four places. Just to keep things confusing though, records pertaining to James' line are also found using the single L. The family line of the third brother, John O'DANIEL of Fairfax, VA uses DANIEL. The LL spelling has not been found been found in his line. Hope this helps. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > Mike, > Mine records are not, as relates to the SCREVENS. First, I do not like > the assignment of Dr. William Coffee DANIELL to Charles DANIEL and then > Thomas and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA. Something does not smell > right, there. > I have no disagreement with Dr. DANIEL being a son of Charles DANIEL of > Greene County, GA who died in 1800 or whenever but who he married and the > money he had does not match up with the Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY > bunch. It matches up much closer with the high stepping CUNNINGHAMS, than > with the BURNEYS, especially since this CUNNINGHAM bunch was also all over > the COFFEES. > As relates to the SCREVENS. I too, had a problem getting them straight. > MAJ John SCREVEN, Jr. (1777-1830) married twice. Martha's mother was his > first wife, I think, Hannah PROCTOR whom he married in 1797. He married, > second, her sister, Sarah PROCTOR, in 1803. > Martha's brother, Dr. James Proctor SCREVEN (1799-1859) was in > partnership with Dr. DANIEL in Savannah. He married Hannah Georgia BRYAN, > d/o the Hon. Joseph BRYAN, Esq. of Savannah, later, Nonchalance Plantation, > Wilmington Island, Chatham County, GA. Her mother was Delia FOREMAN, born > Maryland, died at their plantation on Wilmington Island, GA. Martha and > James also had a sister, Amelia Sophia SCREVAN and I do not know who she > married. > I am pretty sure the PROCTORS were the same PROCTORS out of Charleston, > which is where MAJ SCREVEN was born. He was the son of Col. John SCREVEN, > Sr. and Elizabeth PENDARVIS and grandson of James SCREVEN, Sr. and Mary > Hyrne SMITH. Mary was the d/o Landgrave Thomas SMITH, Jr. and Mary HYRNE, > all of Charleston. > Get this, Elizabeth PENDARVIS (1755-1804) was the d/o Josiah PENDARVIS > and Mary BEDON, d/o Richard BEDON and Martha FULLER of Charleston, SC. Her > brother, Josiah, married a STROBO. This PENDARVIS bunch in Charleston gets > a little convoluted because there are some name changes -- PENDARVIS to > BEDON is one of them but the fact remains there are not only connections in > it to other Charleston families. > One of the interesting PENDARVIS links is to the Ann PENDARVIS who > married James O'DANIEL (1760-1826) of Kershaw County, SC, son of William > O'DANIEL, Jr. and UNK of Kershaw County, SC, formerly of Fairfax County, > VA. His brother, John O'DANIEL married a McINTOSH, another Charleston family > and the McINTOSH's of Charleston are also tied to the FLETCHERS of the same > location. We also know that DANIELS also tied to FLETCHERS, later. We > also know this O'DANIEL family also used the DANIELL spelling. > The primary reason I question the William Coffee DANIEL assignment is > because the links in this bunch point right back into the families of > Charleston, as do my DANIEL bunch. I cannot tell you who his parents were > but the links in his family point right back to Charleston, SC, even the > double L spelling of his name. However, O'DANIEL is a real possibility > because they, too, used the double L spelling of the DANIEL name. > This may also be a "class marriage" and not a family marriage, I do not > know but what I do know is WCD was not the grandson of a itinerate Baptist > preacher. Of that, I am pretty sure. His brother, Smith Coffee DANIEL > also matches the same profile, as Dr. DANIEL. I am also pretty sure this > was the same William DANIEL of Savannah who was in the GA Senate and > appealed the death sentence imposed by Judge L. Q. C. LAMAR, Sr. of > Milledgeville in 1831 on a Methodist minister, accused of killing his wife's > younger sister. > These were not "po folks" and people who attended medical college of any > variety in the 1820's came from good families of more than moderate wealth. > I am also pretty sure they were on a equal financial footing with the LAMARS > of GA. After all, Judge LAMAR's son, L. Q. C. LAMAR, Jr. was an Associate > Justice of the US Supreme Court. > Justice LAMAR was educated at Oxford, the Methodist college in Newton > County, GA and in 1850 my Professor Winfield M. RIVERS (1824-1905) of James > Island, SC, a graduate of Charleston College, was residing in the same > household with Justice LAMAR's mother, Sarah Williamson Bird LAMAR, in > Oxford, Newton County, GA. Professor RIVERS married my GGM, Mary Jane > RENEAU (1830-1912), after the death of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL, in 1865, so > there is a family attachment between my DANIEL or DANIELL family and these > other families. Also, Mary Jane's uncle, Norris RENEAU, ran a fleet of > privateers for the CSN out of Savannah during the CW, so I also have > connections to Savannah in this bunch. > Also, Dr. William Coffee DANIEL owned a plantation, named Oglethorpe, in > Burke County, GA and my DANIEL bunch was also from Burke County, GA, > originally. A link between all of this bunch -- I do not know. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:03 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...." > > > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of late, > Mary > > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of Greene > > Cty', GA. > > > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on the > > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John SCREVEN, > and > > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged up. > > > > Believe this was in a GA newspaper: " Died 2nd May 1839 at the residence > of > > her son-in-law T.W. WILLIAMS, Esq., Cokesbury, Mrs. Martha DANIEL in her > > 77th year. She was born in VA and came to SC in 1814. Member of the > > Presbyterian Church but her faith & beliefs were those of the Methodist > Church. > > signed W.D. WIGHTMA, Cokesbury May 31, 1839." > > > > Does anyone recognize this Martha? > > > > Mike Daniel > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Diane, We have seen all of this before. Queries in genealogical magazines, regardless of when they were written, are just another piece of information. All too many times that query was also built on information that is either misleading, at best, or patently incorrect. If the person actually knew -- they would not be asking, would they? They would also provide the necessary sources for the assignments they list in their query, wouldn't they? That, is what we need because, as my mother once said, the proof is in the pudding. The problem that I see with Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY is they do not have the financial resources to meet the profiles of their grandchildren -- those boys were high steppers. They also could not have gotten it all from Charles because he died much too young to accumulate much wealth and property. Sure, they could have gotten it from the COFFEES but usually grandfathers do not leave money to their grandchildren but to their daughters and sons. I do not know what the answer is on this bunch but I need to see a lot more money and property in this family than what I am seeing now, in order to sustain the subsequent life styles and professions of both WCD and SCD. These boys were high rollers and money begets money, so where did it come from? John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Carrington Bradford" <wdbradford@mindspring.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: UORRE: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > Here is an item I recently found in the GEORGIA GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE, > No. 91, Winter 1984 that appears to support Mike's first two newspaper > items. This item was a query posted for additional info on Thomas > DANIEL, so some of it will be a repeat of what Listers researching > this family may already know, but there is also some additional info > that I think Listers might find interesting; I am posting only the > pertinent content of the query. The submitter used both the single > "L" and double "L" spellings of DANIEL in this query, but mostly the > DANIELL spelling. I added the all-caps surnames per the convention > used on the Daniel-L,........ AND I QUOTE: > > "...[Thomas DANIEL] was a resident of Greene County, GA., having died > there in 1813; his wife, Sarah Burney DANIELL [sic], died there in > 1815 or 16. They had three children, two sons and a daughter; their > sons were: William and Charles; the daughter Nancy, who married an > Eden Coleman. William married Mary King and Charles married Elizabeth > Coffee, daughter of Peter Coffee and Sarah Smith. > > "Thomas in his will names his wife, Sarah, and daughter, Nancy; he > made bequests to the following named grandchildren: Charles William > DANIEL, son of Wm. DANIELL, decsd., John K. DANIELL, Polly DANIELL, > Sally B. DANIELL, Maria DANIELL, Harriett Ann DANIELL, and his > daughter-in-law, Mary King, widow of William DANIELL, decsd. Thomas > DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and > Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in > Kentucky. > > "Thomas DANIELL's son, Charles, died in Greene County while clearing > some of his land; a tree fell on him; he left a widow; Elizabeth > (Betsy) Coffee, and three children, two sons and a daughter; the sons > names were: William Coffee Daniell, who later became a doctor and was > also mayor of Savannah, Ga.; his other son, Smith Coffee DANIELL, who > was an Indian fighter of some fame and later became a rather large > land holder in Miss., his home being in Claiborne County, the > daughter's name was Sophia "Tinsy" DANIELL. > > "...I would also like to know where Benjamin Richard DANIELL, who died > Natchitoches, La., Sept/. 22, 1867, is buried;; he was the first son > of Dr. Wm. C. DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN of Savannah, Ga." END > QUOTE > > The conclusions one might draw from comparing the newspaper death > notice for the OTHER daughter and the info in the query include: > > 1. Mary Daniel FAUCHE never had any children or they would have been > listed in Thomas DANIELL's will with his other grandchildren. > > 2. For the same reason, there was no need for Thomas DANIELL to > mention his deceased daughter in his will, so researchers always > assumed Thomas and Sarah (Burney) DANIELL had only three children. > > Another conclusion one might reach concerns the Methodist minister > wrongly convicted of murder and John Clarke's theory that it was > William Coffee Daniel who spoke for the minister's innocence to the > Georgia General Assembly: > > 3. As mayor, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN were among > the social and political leaders of Savannah, Ga. So, yes, John, it > is virtually certain that the Wm. C. Daniel who addressed the Georgia > General Assembly on behalf of the convicted Methodist minister was, > indeed, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL, mayor (or former mayor) of > Savannah. Who else would have had the clout to be placed on the > Assembly's agenda on behalf of a convicted murderer, and who else > could have hoped that his credentials and connections were extensive > enough and important enough to possibly persuade the General Assembly > of the innocence of the convicted Methodist minister? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Runforf471@aol.com [mailto:Runforf471@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:04 AM > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > > > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary > FAUCHE...." > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of > late, Mary > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of > Greene > Cty', GA. > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on > the > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John > SCREVEN, and > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged > up. > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Here is an item I recently found in the GEORGIA GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE, No. 91, Winter 1984 that appears to support Mike's first two newspaper items. This item was a query posted for additional info on Thomas DANIEL, so some of it will be a repeat of what Listers researching this family may already know, but there is also some additional info that I think Listers might find interesting; I am posting only the pertinent content of the query. The submitter used both the single "L" and double "L" spellings of DANIEL in this query, but mostly the DANIELL spelling. I added the all-caps surnames per the convention used on the Daniel-L,........ AND I QUOTE: "...[Thomas DANIEL] was a resident of Greene County, GA., having died there in 1813; his wife, Sarah Burney DANIELL [sic], died there in 1815 or 16. They had three children, two sons and a daughter; their sons were: William and Charles; the daughter Nancy, who married an Eden Coleman. William married Mary King and Charles married Elizabeth Coffee, daughter of Peter Coffee and Sarah Smith. "Thomas in his will names his wife, Sarah, and daughter, Nancy; he made bequests to the following named grandchildren: Charles William DANIEL, son of Wm. DANIELL, decsd., John K. DANIELL, Polly DANIELL, Sally B. DANIELL, Maria DANIELL, Harriett Ann DANIELL, and his daughter-in-law, Mary King, widow of William DANIELL, decsd. Thomas DANIELL owned large tracts of land in Greene, Wilkes, Washington and Wilkerson Counties in Georgia and also large tracts of land in Kentucky. "Thomas DANIELL's son, Charles, died in Greene County while clearing some of his land; a tree fell on him; he left a widow; Elizabeth (Betsy) Coffee, and three children, two sons and a daughter; the sons names were: William Coffee Daniell, who later became a doctor and was also mayor of Savannah, Ga.; his other son, Smith Coffee DANIELL, who was an Indian fighter of some fame and later became a rather large land holder in Miss., his home being in Claiborne County, the daughter's name was Sophia "Tinsy" DANIELL. "...I would also like to know where Benjamin Richard DANIELL, who died Natchitoches, La., Sept/. 22, 1867, is buried;; he was the first son of Dr. Wm. C. DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN of Savannah, Ga." END QUOTE The conclusions one might draw from comparing the newspaper death notice for the OTHER daughter and the info in the query include: 1. Mary Daniel FAUCHE never had any children or they would have been listed in Thomas DANIELL's will with his other grandchildren. 2. For the same reason, there was no need for Thomas DANIELL to mention his deceased daughter in his will, so researchers always assumed Thomas and Sarah (Burney) DANIELL had only three children. Another conclusion one might reach concerns the Methodist minister wrongly convicted of murder and John Clarke's theory that it was William Coffee Daniel who spoke for the minister's innocence to the Georgia General Assembly: 3. As mayor, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL and Martha SCREVEN were among the social and political leaders of Savannah, Ga. So, yes, John, it is virtually certain that the Wm. C. Daniel who addressed the Georgia General Assembly on behalf of the convicted Methodist minister was, indeed, Dr. William Coffee DANIELL, mayor (or former mayor) of Savannah. Who else would have had the clout to be placed on the Assembly's agenda on behalf of a convicted murderer, and who else could have hoped that his credentials and connections were extensive enough and important enough to possibly persuade the General Assembly of the innocence of the convicted Methodist minister? -----Original Message----- From: Runforf471@aol.com [mailto:Runforf471@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:04 AM To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...." If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of late, Mary is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of Greene Cty', GA. >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on the 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John SCREVEN, and wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged up.

Mike, I know a little bit about Cokesbury. It was located over near Edgefield, SC. It was not like what we think of, today, as a seminary or even an institution of higher learning, like the Methodists established at Oxford in Newton County, GA or Oglethorpe University, established by the Presbyterians in Milledgeville, GA. From what I have read about it -- Cokesbury was kind of like Berry College in Rome used to be, where one worked and went through some type of Methodist ministerial training program at the same time. I am glad you brought this up because there is a Thomas WILLIAMS, the son of Joseph WILLIAMS, Sr. (ABT 1755-1812) of Surry County, NC who married Rebecca LANIER, d/o Thomas LANIER and Elizabeth HICKS of Granville County, NC. I only have the marriage information for two of their children, a Rebecca and Fannie WILLIAMS but they both married the same person, a John P. ERWIN - no other details on him. ERWIN is a name I watch closely but I do have Joseph WILLIAMS's will and it is copied, below. What caught my eye on this was the SPEER and ERWIN links to this family. I have both, either collateral (ERWIN) or close (SPEIR) to my bunch in Burke and Jefferson County, GA. <<<< Surry Co. NC Will Abstracts - Book 4:1. 28 Jan 1812. Will of Joseph Williams. (This will is 13 pages long with 3 codicils.) Wife Rebekah. Sons: Nathaniel (Natty) afflicted; Joseph, Alexander of Tenn.; Nicholas Lanier, youngest son; John at the bar; William decd by 1819; Robert at the bar; Lewis and Thomas Lanier. Daus: Rebekah and Fanny, wife of John P. Erwin of Nashville. Granddaughter: Sally only child of decd son William. Negroes named: Cary, Sam, Tabb, Daniel, Nancy, Squire, Jack, Ned, Isbell, Lidia, Sally, Cynthia, Will (bought of Henry Speer), Caesor, Little Will, Jenny, Pulvey (?), Bartlett, Peter, Jude, Little Peter, Don (?), Ceasor, Aber, Lou, Soloman, Charott(?), Squire, Pillar (?), Violet, Dorcas, Lou, Matt, Rachel, Horace, Booker, Betty. Lands bought of: Lewis & Reuben Whealess, Col. Mosby, Sper, Mark Hollimon's Sewats River Tracts, Ruby's tract, Broughs or Goughs place. Deeded land on both eastern and western waters. Mentions lime kiln & quarry, fishery & fish trap. Mentions Charles Bagge (below Salem), William Thornton, Thomas S. Williams of Knoxville. Exrs: wife Rebekah, sons Robert, Joseph, John, William, Lewis, Thomas Lanier, Alexander and Nicholas Lanier Williams. Wit: George Kembrough, Robert R. Freeman and Jo Williams, Jr. /s/ Jo Williams Wit to codicil 27 June 1825: John Kerr, Thomas Thornton. Probate Nov. ct. 1827. Proven by Henry P. Poindexter, Elias Turner, Samuel Sper, John Kerr, Thomas Thornton. (Hester Jackson, SURRY COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA WILL ABSTRACTS BOOK 4 >>>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniel SC & GA Newspaper items > Augusta [GA] 7 September 1805 - "Died on Friday, the 30th ult., at her > father's the Rev. Thomas DANIEL, in Green County, Mrs. Mary FAUCHE...." > > If this was the Rev. Thomas DANIEL we have been discussing much of late, Mary > is a child of which I was unaware. I wonder if her husband was Jonas > FAUCHE, a soldier of much renown and an early political leader of Greene > Cty', GA. > > >From a Charleston, SC paper March 8, 1834: "Died in Savannah, Ga. on the > 14th ult. Mrs. Martha DANIELL, daughter of the late Major John SCREVEN, and > wife of Dr. W.C. DANIELL of that place, aged 32 years." > > If Major John was Martha's Dad my files on that family are scrogged up. > > Believe this was in a GA newspaper: " Died 2nd May 1839 at the residence of > her son-in-law T.W. WILLIAMS, Esq., Cokesbury, Mrs. Martha DANIEL in her > 77th year. She was born in VA and came to SC in 1814. Member of the > Presbyterian Church but her faith & beliefs were those of the Methodist Church. > signed W.D. WIGHTMA, Cokesbury May 31, 1839." > > Does anyone recognize this Martha? > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >