Payne, My apologies regarding brother v nephew. The minute I sent my post, realized the error, and had intended to send correction, but got sidetracked. As to the Pricilla HARRISON marriage of James, and him being a son of Elizabeth COLEMAN and William DANIEL ~ Check my excerpt from post #3 below regarding this William DANIEL as I believe we have a problem with this particular couple. 4.c Elizabeth COLEMAN, Daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth WYATT ~ Married Captain William DANIEL, DIED 1764, Caroline County, VIRGINIA [not Kentucky]. He and Elizabeth had at least two sons, William Daniel and THOMAS Coleman DANIEL, because they were executors of their father's will. [Caroline County Records ~ OB 1763-65, pg 325] NOTE: The following is not an original part of the family history, and herein, I believe, is where the problem lies regarding the COLEMAN + DANIEL marriage: "A Supplement to Pamunkey Neighbors, The Daniel Family, by Ruth and Sam Sparacio, lists their children as William, James, Harrison and Tabitha Ann Daniel who married Philip Buchner." If nothing else, where's Thomas Coleman DANIEL one of the executors of his father's Will ~ and I don't think Captain William DANIEL and his Elizabeth COLEMAN ever saw KENTUCKY to live there. Annie Ole Nettles If a person lies, they will steal, and if they steal, they will kill. My Grams, b: 1869, who probably read Disraeli in her time. <g>

III ~ WILLIAM DANIEL GENERATIONS: 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR., b: before 1622, England ~ dc: 1682, Gloucester Co., VA ~ Married ELIZABETH GRIZZELL bc: 1630 1.a. Spilsbe COLEMAN married Mary CROW 1.a.1. Robert Spilsbe COLEMAN, d: before 19 MAY 1761 when Will [dtd: 08 DEC 1760] was probated [Essex County, VA, WB 11, pg 304] ~ Married Sarah WHYTHEDE or Whitehead, d: before 20 DEC 1762 when son-in-law, John RICHARDS, gave bond as her administrator. 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR, b: 1656, Gloucester Co., VA ~ d: 1712 ~ Son of Robert, SR and Elizabeth GRIZZELL ~ Married ANNE SPILSBE, b: 1659 ~ dc: 1716, who after death of Robert married John HUNTER. Before Anne SPILSBE Coleman married her 2nd husband, John HUNTER, a prenuptial agreement was made between the couple and Anne's son, Thomas COLEMAN, on 05 APR 1715, Essex County, which stated that after Anne's death, her estate was to be divided among the children of Robert COLEMAN. 20 MAR 1716/7, John HUNTER sued the children of Robert and Anne COLEMAN with the exception of Thomas and Robert. Named in the lawsuit were "Edward COLEMAN and Mary his wife, Spilsby COLEMAN and Mary his wife, John CHAMBERLAIN and Grizell his wife, Daniel BROWN and Elizabeth his wife, William COVINGTON and Anne his wife, and Miles SHORT and Katherine (sic) his wife". [Catherine SHORT was a witness to the will of Anne SPILSBE Coleman Hunter of 30 NOV 1715 ~ proved 20 AUG 1717]. The lawsuit filed by John HUNTER is evidence that Catherine SHORT was a daughter of Robert Coleman and Ann Spilsbe. If Catherine received her inheritance at the time of her marriage to Miles Short, she would not have been mentioned in either of the wills of her parents. Virginia law allowed her to witness her mother's will, based on the fact she was not a devisee. 3. Robert COLEMAN, III, b: 1682, K&Q County, Virginia ~ dc: 1748, Picadilly, Caroline County, Virginia ~By 1745 had moved to Caroline ~ Married 26 JAN 1702/03, K&Q, to Mary CLAYTON, daughter of Samuel and Susanna CLAYTON of Gloucester and K&Q Counties. 4. Samuel COLEMAN, b: 27 APR 1704 ~ d: 1748 ~ Married Elizabeth WYATT. Will of Samuel probated 10 JUN 1748. [Genealogy of Virgina Families, pg 286] Children of Samuel COLEMAN and Elizabeth WYATT: 4.a.Wyatt COLEMAN, of Culpeper Co ~ b. 1729/30 ~ d. after 1795 ~ m. Sarah LINDSEY, b: 15 JUN 1735 ~ Daughter of James Lindsay and SARAH DANIEL, and sister of Elizabeth Lindsay who married Robert COLEMAN. Wyatt was a dancing instructor. About 1788, he moved to Richmond, and from 1793-95 was "Keeper of the Capitol". 03 AUG 1765, he conveyed a tract of land in Culpeper Co. to his brother-in-law William GREEN [Culpeper County Records, DB E, pg 202] 4.b. Spilsbe COLEMAN ~ NOTE CORRECTION from earlier post [not son of Robert and Mary CLAYTON, but grandson. This Spilsbe, bc: 1725 ~ d: 1757, unmarried and named his brother-in-law as William DANIEL in his Will, was the son of Samuel COLEMAN and Elizabeth WYATT Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 WILLS WILL BOOK B 1749 ~1759 pg 10 COLEMAN, SPILSBE, Spotsylvania Co., d. Mar. 23, 1757, p. May 3, 1757. Wit. Wm. Davenport, Patterson Pulliam, Isaac Bradburn. Ex. brother, Thomas Coleman. Leg. brother-in-law, William Daniel; brother, Robert Coleman; brother John Coleman; brother, Richard Coleman. The lease bought of Zachary Taliaferro to be sold and proceeds distributed amongst the poor of this parish. To brother, Thomas Coleman, remainder of estate. (Page 311) 4.c Elizabeth COLEMAN, Daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth WYATT ~ Married Captain William DANIEL, DIED 1764, Caroline County, VIRGINIA [not Kentucky]. He and Elizabeth had at least two sons, William Daniel and Thomas Coleman Daniel, because they were executors of their father's will. [Caroline County Records ~ OB 1763-65, pg 325] NOTE: The following is not an original part of the family history, and herein, I believe, is where the problem lies regarding the COLEMAN + DANIEL marriage: "A Supplement to Pamunkey Neighbors, The Daniel Family, by Ruth and Sam Sparacio, lists their children as William, James, Harrison and Tabitha Ann Daniel who married Philip Buchner." 4.d. Robert COLEMAN, b: 1720 Spotsylvania County, VA ~ d: before 28 DEC 1795, Orange County, Virginia when his Will was admitted to probate [dated: 03 AUG 1794] ~ Married Elizabeth LINDSAY, b: 29 MAR 1724 ~ Daughter of Colonel James LINDSEY, b: 1700 ~ d: 1782 and Sarah DANIEL. In 1741, Robert was given 440 acres of Spotsylvania County land by his father, probably on the occasion of his marriage to Elizabeth LINDSAY [Spotsylvania County Records, DB C, pg 155] 1759, Robert bought 2680 acres in Spotsylvania Co. land from the estate of Humphrey BELL. [Spotsylvania Co. DB E, 1751-1761] 04 May 1761, Robert Coleman and Elizabeth, his wife, of Spotsylvania Co. sold to Thomas POOLE of same County, 140 lbs. currency, 560 acres. No witnesses. [Spotsylvania Va County Records, Vol. 1, 1721-1800, pg 221, edited by William Armstrong Crozier, Baltimore 1978] 4.e. John COLEMAN, b: 1723 [according to his son, Hawes, who said his father was 40 years old when he died on 15 FEB 1763 [Spotsylvania County, Will Book D, pg 47] ~ Married Eunice HAWES, b: 1725 ~ d: 08 FEB 1806

I. DREWRY DANIEL: Frances S. "Fran" CLAYTON, bc: 1842 ~ Daughter of Simeon Thomas Clayton and (2) Mary PAINTER, dc: 1871 ~ Frances married (1) Calvin McKISSACK ~ Married (2) DREWRY DANIEL. Simeon Thomas CLAYTON, b: 31 AUG 1813, Person County, NC ~ d: MAY 1890, Walnut Grove, Orange County, NC, the son of Solomon Clayton and Frances CARVER of Person County. Solomon CLAYTON, the son of John Clayton, Sr, b: 1735, Hanover, Goochland, Virginia ~ d: 1800 Allenville, Person County, NC AND ~ ELIZABETH COLEMAN, b: 1740 who married in Essex County, Virginia circa 1757. John CLAYTON, son of Daniel Clayton, SR and Anne CLARK. ELIZABETH COLEMAN, b: 1740, the daughter of Richard Coleman, b: 1722 ~ d: 1791, and Joanna CLARK, daughter of John Clark. Richard COLEMAN, the son of John Coleman, bc: 1699, Hanover, and Grace UNKNOWN, bc: 1702. John COLEMAN, b: MAR 1699, the son of Thomas Coleman, bc: 1652, and Rebecca CLAIBORNE. Thomas COLEMAN, the son of Robert Coleman, bc: 1620/22, England ~ d: 1689, Gloucester, Virginia, and [M: circa 1650, Rappahannock, Essex County, Virginia] to Elizabeth GRIZZELL Mott. ["Grizzell" ~ Scottish form of "Grace"]

John, Don't believe Spilsby or Spilsbe DANIEL was in Georgia. Spilsby Daniel, bc: 1760/65, Bedford Co., Va ~ d: 15 MAR 1852, Kentucky. He enlisted in Russell Co., Va., under Capt. Wm Bowen. He married 28 SEP 1784, Wythe County, Virginia to Sally ASBURY ~ whom I, and others, now believe was the line of Benjamin ASBURY and Frances BROWN, a brother to Thomas ASBURY and Anne WALKER Wright, my line to Richard ASBURY and Elizabeth THORNTON who had Hannah ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL in Richmond County, Virginia Spilsbe DANIEL's pension application shows he lived in the western part of Virginia, and about 1800 he moved to Kentucky, where he lived in Wayne Co., Ky., then in Overton County, TN and finally to Clinton Co., KY, where he died. The pension application was filed 05 JUN 1834, Fentress County, Tennessee. [See Pension Application S 21158]

Robert, Payne, John, and all interested, Go to the Library of Congress website, then to American Memory to search collections. I put "Washington Manuscripts" in the search window. There are just a few, and some have images, mainly letters. After these, there will be a list of all the manuscripts that are online in the Library. There are some 500 documents online, but just a few of George Washington's. I went back to my notes and looked again at the Genealogy.com source. This is a subscription site, as you probably know, but it has an excellent collection of early sources. On the Genealogy site, there is Colonial America 1607-1789, tax lists and state censuses. Also a collection called Colonial Virginia Source Records 1600s-1800s. Another is a list of Virginia tax payers 1782-1787 that gives county, number of polls and slaves. Another set is Virginia Colonial Soldiers. This is where I found the references to John Daniel in the Washington mss. No actual quotes here, but two numbers that don't help much..just 112, 86, probably volume and page numbers. The reference to Samuel Daniel is this: "Sam. Daniel, soldier in 1758 till properly discharged, in a regiment raised for the defense of this state. Caroline Co., VA. Cert. date April 1780." An index also gives this F. I.B.W. (French and Indian Bounty Warrant). This is from Virginia Colonial Militia records. In the section on bounty land applications, there are names of all applicants from each county in Virginia and some information on each. The Caroline County portion says that Samuel Daniel and Michael Brown Roberts were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was 14 April 1780. These paid sites are expensive, but there is a lot of information. Ancestry also has good but expensive sources. I just grit my teeth and pay. Martha

Thank you very much for the information, I do greatly appreciate it, Rev. Horace Edwin Hayden may be correct assigning them to the Middlesex bunch. If I understand the Daniel DNA project correctly William Daniel of Middlesex and Basil Daniel along with Edward Daniel may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. Our problem is, we know Edward Daniel was in Henry county, Va. along with a John Daniel and the Tatum families. But we can't find out who the parents are of Edward or Basil. Basil Daniel was in the Pendelton District, South Carolina on the 1800 census. But we can't get past that year. Some of this line went to Shelby and Clay county, Illinois, others went to Grainger county, Tn. and later on to Carroll and Newton county, ARk. Thanks Vickie ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com wrote:First, I stand corrected regarding the mention recently of Eustace, Edmond, and Alice DANIEL being in the Louise du Billet books ~ They appear in the Virginia Genealogies, by Rev Horace Edwin HAYDEN... which deals with the "Middlesex" DANIELs. And, apparently HAYDEN didn't really know what to do with them. [pg 330] "Blissland Parish Reg. ~ DANIEL ~ Eustace, son of Edmond and Alice DANIEL, b: 04 DEC 1734/35; baptized 06 FEB 1734/35. James, son of Walter and William [? ~ what it sez] DANIEL, b: 21 OCT 1737; baptized 27 NOV 1737. Sarah, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 28 SEP 1756; baptized 07 NOV 1756. Mary, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 07 SEP 1758; baptized 29 OCT 1758. William, son of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 04 OCT 1767." [pg 226] Samuel COLEMAN "The next grant was to Edwin CONWAY for 1250 acres in Lancaster County, S. E. side Corotoman River ~ 1000 acre grant by two patents, one of 06 DEC 1652, in which he and his wife Martha are named as head-rights, and which states that Edwyn CONWAY had come to Virginia four times; and then one of 06 APR 1654, for 250 acres for five persons ~ William COLLINS, Edward BENNETT, Alice ELLIS, Ann ROBERTS and SAMUEL COLEMAN. >From Martha: The Caroline County portion says that Samuel DANIEL and Michael Brown ROBERTS were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was 14 April 1780. hmmm.... the BROWN and ROBERTS names connected to the COLEMANs who had plenty of Samuels, and with both these surnames connected to the ASBURYs... and CONWAYs connected to the BALL/THORNTON/DANIELs who also connected to the ASBURYs. Hannah ASBURY who + Henning DANIEL was the daughter of Elizabeth THORNTON connected to the BALLs and WASHINGTONs.... and I'm thinking we've got about three different lines of DANIELs involved here... I keep thinking about Hugh DANIEL, bc: 1635/45 and his Mary BILLINGTON, who, I think, had a DARBY DANIEL.... then there was Reverend Billington SA(U)NDERS down in Georgia who connected to my families someplace ~ COLEMANs also connected to the SA(U)NDERS who connected to the THORNTONs too. Me think it possible some of the Middlesex DANIELs don't belong to their current assignments either. ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Payne, I try to look more so over a complete family than just one sibling of that family. That, is where a lot of folks get in trouble. I have to assume, also, that if one sibling married a certain person, there was a good chance another one of their siblings would marry into that same family or a family close to one of these two families. When someone tells me that a Willie SMITH married a Betsy DANIEL then I would assume his sister, Betsy SMITH, whom we also know married a Jimmy DANIEL, married into the same overall DANIEL family. Occasionally, we find that these two DANIEL kids were not siblings, but cousins, but they were still out of the same overall family. Know what I mean? This is where genealogy gets tough for some and where a lot of assignment errors occur. It is easy to assign Betsy to a certain DANIEL family but when you get to Jimmy, it is hard to create a genealogy where her sibling is not assigned to the right families. I always say -- it is easy to fabricate a genealogy across one family but it gets really tough when one tries to do it across several or more families, because their collateral information and good old common sense tells you "something is amiss, here." Know what I mean? John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Thanks John, I suspect that somewhere in your dissertation there is a > straight answer. I will consider your opinion that James was a son of > Woodson and Nancy and forrage thru the collateral implications to see if the > pieces fit; and of course ponder who is "on a roll" . <g> > > Bring on the Wolves. Payne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Payne, > > Being a little long in the tooth or still carrying ones baby teeth has > > never been a prerequisite for assignment before, so, why stop when you are > > on a roll? <grin> > > The CLEMENTS are generally a Surry County, VA bunch, so one would > think > > they would generally tie into an Surry/IOW area family and we see a lot of > > that. The general links I see in the CLEMENTS are to Southside and then > > down to Wake and Granville County, NC. We also know that Peyton CLEMENTS, > > Grisille's father, lived in Granville. > > Granville is also home to some of the Middlesex bunch but it is also > > adjacent to PE County, VA where the CUNNINGHAMS, COFFEES and that bunch > > migrated through on the way to GA. We also know that a lot of the > families > > in Lunenburg and PE County, VA had direct links into Granville County, NC. > > I do not know but what I do know is -- I am not seeing a lot of Essex > > County, VA families in the Greene County, GA area. These could be Essex > > County, VA DANIELS but I would have to see a lot more of them and their > > collaterals in this area of GA to convince me of that fact. Now, the > > families of Essex are not one of my stronger suits, so I will defer to > your > > judgment on them. > > I am seeing some eastern VA families in the Greene County, GA area but > a > > lot of them are western VA families who formerly lived in either > > north-central and western VA or southern PA; combined with more than > several > > "Southside" VA families -- all with big bucks to spread around. I think > you > > have to look who this whole bunch married into in order to know where they > > came from. > > In my opinion, when you have Griselle CLEMENTS marrying a James DANIEL > > and her half-brother, William CLEMENTS, marrying an Elizabeth DANIEL, > > daughter of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy then you have to look at James also > > being also a son of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville County, > NC. > > This agrees with the fact their brother, Jesse CLEMENTS, married a Mary > > Elizabeth COLEMAN born in Goochland County, VA and she was probably > related > > to that COLEMAN bunch that also came to Greene County, GA from VA. We > also > > know well where the WOODSONS were from -- Goochland area. big time. > > My thought is -- if you are going to re-assign James DANIEL, then you > > have to re-assign Elizabeth DANIEL, too..... Are you willing to do that? > > > > From my notes on this Woodson DANIEL family: > > > > <<< > > Sounds like your Woodson Daniel is the same as mine. I have Woodson Daniel > > b. 1736, d. 1791, m. to Nancy ?, and he appears in Wake Co., N.C. 1790 > > Census. My link to him is through his daughter, Elizabeth Daniel, b. 1757, > > Wake Co., N.C., d. 1834, m. 15 Mar 1779 to William Clements (married by > Wm. > > Burford, Jr. and witnessed by Reuben Searcy). > > > > Sources: Marriages of Granville County, North Carolina, 1753-1868, > compiled > > by Brent H. Holcomb, published in Baltimore by Genealogical Publishing > Co., > > Inc., 1981, p. 65. > > >>> > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell > > > Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth > > > Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) > > > Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William > > Jr.) > > > and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla > > Harrison. > > > Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James > > Daniel > > > II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William > Jr., > > > did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his > son. > > > > > > So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would > be > > > the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in > 1765, > > > William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a > > > brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. > > > > > > Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might > > slip > > > old James into a family. Payne > > > > > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > > > statistics." > > > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > Mike and Annie, > > > > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff > we > > > > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas > and > > > > Sarah DANIEL. > > > > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > > > > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given > > > name > > > > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > > > > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > > > > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > > > > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant > of > > > > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, > > somewhere, > > > or > > > > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > > > > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and > > Charles > > > > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to > the > > > > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end > up > > in > > > > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS > > are > > > > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > > > > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the > CARLTONS, > > > > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > > > > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. > was > > of > > > > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, > > > located > > > > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood > for > > > in > > > > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many > > other > > > > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this > > bunch. > > > > Not many..... > > > > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in > Greene > > > and > > > > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to > > the > > > > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, > is > > > > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I > > can > > > > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I > > > also > > > > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which > > seems > > > > to follow. > > > > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. > > A > > > > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named > > James > > > > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > > > > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA > > who > > > > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the > James > > > > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John > > > DANIEL > > > > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > > > > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > > > > Morgan County, GA. > > > > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax > > County, > > > > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > > > > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY > families > > > of > > > > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of > > Edgefield, > > > > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of > > this > > > > name, LITTLEBERRY. > > > > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS > > > were > > > > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee > > > DANIELS > > > > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > > > > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for > folks > > to > > > > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, > > they > > > > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south > into > > > VA > > > > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these > DANIEL > > > > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > > > > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene > > County, > > > > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on > > all > > > > of these families....... > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annie, > > > > > > > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give > you > > > my > > > > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning > > > James > > > > DANIEL, > > > > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake > > > Cty., > > > > NC. > > > > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > > > > Edmund. > > > > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I > think > > it > > > > may > > > > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's > > > brother > > > > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in > > the > > > > tooth to > > > > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > > > > Huxford > > > > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that > > > James > > > > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > > > > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to > how > > > > they > > > > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact > > > marry > > > > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in > Wake > > > > Cty., NC. > > > > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry > > > County, > > > > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > > > > However, she also > > > > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son > o > > f > > > > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in > > Greenville, > > > > NC. We > > > > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in > > Wake > > > > Cty by > > > > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > > > > Woodson was > > > > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. > > (Roger > > > > DANIEL > > > > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously > this > > > has > > > > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > > > > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and > Elizabeth > > > > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan > Cty., > > > NC > > > > who > > > > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons > > > John, > > > > David, > > > > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close > proximity. > > > As > > > > Payne > > > > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher > > > working > > > > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's > > daughters, > > > > who > > > > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > > > > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow > > fit > > > > into > > > > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like > to > > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > > suggestion > > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free > to > > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you > change > > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

All, correct me if I am wrong, but I haven't seen many Samuels or Josephs in the Caroline Daniels. Perhaps someone, John, has a handle on these names? I say this while acknowledging that my g-father was a Samuel and Joseph John is a popular name in Halifax Co., NC. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Boggs" <lmboggs@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Daniels of Caroline Co., VA > Payne, > > Since you are talking about James, William, et al, I'll re-ask my question > about another Caroline Co. DANIEL. Virginia Colonial Records have a Samuel > DANIEL of Caroline Co. who served in the French and Indian Wars as a member > of the county militia. He received a bounty warrant. Served in 1758 and > his bounty warrant is dated April 1, 1780. > > I have read that a John DANIEL is mentioned in the Washington Manuscripts in > the Library of Congress. Some of these records are online now. I did some > brief searching there, but didn't have much time to spend. Also a Joseph > DANIEL is listed among Caroline Co. men who served in the Revolution. > > Does anyone know anything about Samuel or Joseph DANIEL of Caroline Co., VA, > or the John DANIEL in Washington's manuscripts? > > Martha > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Belva, Did you see thereply I sent to the list on 1-14-04? Have you visited Payne's website? Here is the address pertinent to John: http://www.paynedaniel.com/johndan2/d3.htm#i9520 # 9, John, brother of # 4 Peter, is my ancestor. I sent much of the info on John Daniell line to Payne several years ago. I have been unable to trace past John due to his early entry into VA. There are 2-3 GA lines reltaed to John of IOW according to the Y-DNA tests. The DNA website address is: http://www.danieldna.com I hope this info is helpful! Gerald Daniel B. Wilkinson wrote: >Does anyone have any information on a John Daniel b 1766 the son of Peter Daniel b b/4 1730 and Mary Unknown. The grandparents of this John Daniel were William Daniel born before 1679 Isle of Wight County Va. and Deborah Garland. This William left a will made on 10 September 1738 Isle of Wight County, Va,, Any information on the John Daniel b 1766, will be greatly appreciated. > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > > > >

Thanks John, I suspect that somewhere in your dissertation there is a straight answer. I will consider your opinion that James was a son of Woodson and Nancy and forrage thru the collateral implications to see if the pieces fit; and of course ponder who is "on a roll" . <g> Bring on the Wolves. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Payne, > Being a little long in the tooth or still carrying ones baby teeth has > never been a prerequisite for assignment before, so, why stop when you are > on a roll? <grin> > The CLEMENTS are generally a Surry County, VA bunch, so one would think > they would generally tie into an Surry/IOW area family and we see a lot of > that. The general links I see in the CLEMENTS are to Southside and then > down to Wake and Granville County, NC. We also know that Peyton CLEMENTS, > Grisille's father, lived in Granville. > Granville is also home to some of the Middlesex bunch but it is also > adjacent to PE County, VA where the CUNNINGHAMS, COFFEES and that bunch > migrated through on the way to GA. We also know that a lot of the families > in Lunenburg and PE County, VA had direct links into Granville County, NC. > I do not know but what I do know is -- I am not seeing a lot of Essex > County, VA families in the Greene County, GA area. These could be Essex > County, VA DANIELS but I would have to see a lot more of them and their > collaterals in this area of GA to convince me of that fact. Now, the > families of Essex are not one of my stronger suits, so I will defer to your > judgment on them. > I am seeing some eastern VA families in the Greene County, GA area but a > lot of them are western VA families who formerly lived in either > north-central and western VA or southern PA; combined with more than several > "Southside" VA families -- all with big bucks to spread around. I think you > have to look who this whole bunch married into in order to know where they > came from. > In my opinion, when you have Griselle CLEMENTS marrying a James DANIEL > and her half-brother, William CLEMENTS, marrying an Elizabeth DANIEL, > daughter of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy then you have to look at James also > being also a son of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville County, NC. > This agrees with the fact their brother, Jesse CLEMENTS, married a Mary > Elizabeth COLEMAN born in Goochland County, VA and she was probably related > to that COLEMAN bunch that also came to Greene County, GA from VA. We also > know well where the WOODSONS were from -- Goochland area. big time. > My thought is -- if you are going to re-assign James DANIEL, then you > have to re-assign Elizabeth DANIEL, too..... Are you willing to do that? > > From my notes on this Woodson DANIEL family: > > <<< > Sounds like your Woodson Daniel is the same as mine. I have Woodson Daniel > b. 1736, d. 1791, m. to Nancy ?, and he appears in Wake Co., N.C. 1790 > Census. My link to him is through his daughter, Elizabeth Daniel, b. 1757, > Wake Co., N.C., d. 1834, m. 15 Mar 1779 to William Clements (married by Wm. > Burford, Jr. and witnessed by Reuben Searcy). > > Sources: Marriages of Granville County, North Carolina, 1753-1868, compiled > by Brent H. Holcomb, published in Baltimore by Genealogical Publishing Co., > Inc., 1981, p. 65. > >>> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell > > Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth > > Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) > > Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William > Jr.) > > and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla > Harrison. > > Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James > Daniel > > II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William Jr., > > did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his son. > > > > So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would be > > the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in 1765, > > William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a > > brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. > > > > Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might > slip > > old James into a family. Payne > > > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > > statistics." > > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > Mike and Annie, > > > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we > > > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and > > > Sarah DANIEL. > > > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > > > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given > > name > > > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > > > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > > > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > > > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of > > > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, > somewhere, > > or > > > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > > > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and > Charles > > > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the > > > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up > in > > > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS > are > > > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > > > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, > > > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > > > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was > of > > > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, > > located > > > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for > > in > > > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many > other > > > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this > bunch. > > > Not many..... > > > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene > > and > > > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to > the > > > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is > > > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I > can > > > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I > > also > > > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which > seems > > > to follow. > > > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. > A > > > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named > James > > > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > > > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA > who > > > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James > > > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John > > DANIEL > > > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > > > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > > > Morgan County, GA. > > > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax > County, > > > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > > > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families > > of > > > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of > Edgefield, > > > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of > this > > > name, LITTLEBERRY. > > > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS > > were > > > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee > > DANIELS > > > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > > > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks > to > > > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, > they > > > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into > > VA > > > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL > > > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > > > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene > County, > > > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on > all > > > of these families....... > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > Annie, > > > > > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you > > my > > > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning > > James > > > DANIEL, > > > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake > > Cty., > > > NC. > > > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > > > Edmund. > > > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think > it > > > may > > > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's > > brother > > > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in > the > > > tooth to > > > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > > > Huxford > > > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that > > James > > > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how > > > they > > > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact > > marry > > > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake > > > Cty., NC. > > > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry > > County, > > > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > > > However, she also > > > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son o > f > > > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in > Greenville, > > > NC. We > > > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in > Wake > > > Cty by > > > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > > > Woodson was > > > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. > (Roger > > > DANIEL > > > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this > > has > > > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > > > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., > > NC > > > who > > > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons > > John, > > > David, > > > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. > > As > > > Payne > > > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher > > working > > > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's > daughters, > > > who > > > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow > fit > > > into > > > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

The following newspaper clipping may be of interest to someone on the list. Does anyone know who this Jesse Daniels was? Source: Wilcox, R. Newton, The Weekly Georgia Telegraph, Macon, Georgia 1854-1857. Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 2002, p 59. and I quote [verbatim]: >From the Issue of January 2, 1855 Homicide - A man named JESSE DANIELS received a blow on the head, from the hands of J. ATTOWAY, at the Factory, on Monday evening, which caused a severe fracture of the skull, and from the effect of which he died in a short time. It seems that there had been some difficulty previously, but DANIEL's friends were leading him away, when ATTOWAY came behind him and struck the blow, which terminated his life... Augusta Const. 27th ult. End quote This reprinted article was first published in the Augusta, Georgia, Constitution on December 27, 1854, which was a Wednesday. That means that the "Monday" mentioned in the article was Monday, December 25, 1854. Since that was Christmas Day, and the incident occurred on "Monday evening," IMHO, it is possible that "the Factory" might have been a local tavern. Diane Carrington Bradford Atlanta, GA

Payne, Since you are talking about James, William, et al, I'll re-ask my question about another Caroline Co. DANIEL. Virginia Colonial Records have a Samuel DANIEL of Caroline Co. who served in the French and Indian Wars as a member of the county militia. He received a bounty warrant. Served in 1758 and his bounty warrant is dated April 1, 1780. I have read that a John DANIEL is mentioned in the Washington Manuscripts in the Library of Congress. Some of these records are online now. I did some brief searching there, but didn't have much time to spend. Also a Joseph DANIEL is listed among Caroline Co. men who served in the Revolution. Does anyone know anything about Samuel or Joseph DANIEL of Caroline Co., VA, or the John DANIEL in Washington's manuscripts? Martha

Payne, Being a little long in the tooth or still carrying ones baby teeth has never been a prerequisite for assignment before, so, why stop when you are on a roll? <grin> The CLEMENTS are generally a Surry County, VA bunch, so one would think they would generally tie into an Surry/IOW area family and we see a lot of that. The general links I see in the CLEMENTS are to Southside and then down to Wake and Granville County, NC. We also know that Peyton CLEMENTS, Grisille's father, lived in Granville. Granville is also home to some of the Middlesex bunch but it is also adjacent to PE County, VA where the CUNNINGHAMS, COFFEES and that bunch migrated through on the way to GA. We also know that a lot of the families in Lunenburg and PE County, VA had direct links into Granville County, NC. I do not know but what I do know is -- I am not seeing a lot of Essex County, VA families in the Greene County, GA area. These could be Essex County, VA DANIELS but I would have to see a lot more of them and their collaterals in this area of GA to convince me of that fact. Now, the families of Essex are not one of my stronger suits, so I will defer to your judgment on them. I am seeing some eastern VA families in the Greene County, GA area but a lot of them are western VA families who formerly lived in either north-central and western VA or southern PA; combined with more than several "Southside" VA families -- all with big bucks to spread around. I think you have to look who this whole bunch married into in order to know where they came from. In my opinion, when you have Griselle CLEMENTS marrying a James DANIEL and her half-brother, William CLEMENTS, marrying an Elizabeth DANIEL, daughter of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy then you have to look at James also being also a son of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville County, NC. This agrees with the fact their brother, Jesse CLEMENTS, married a Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN born in Goochland County, VA and she was probably related to that COLEMAN bunch that also came to Greene County, GA from VA. We also know well where the WOODSONS were from -- Goochland area. big time. My thought is -- if you are going to re-assign James DANIEL, then you have to re-assign Elizabeth DANIEL, too..... Are you willing to do that? From my notes on this Woodson DANIEL family: <<< Sounds like your Woodson Daniel is the same as mine. I have Woodson Daniel b. 1736, d. 1791, m. to Nancy ?, and he appears in Wake Co., N.C. 1790 Census. My link to him is through his daughter, Elizabeth Daniel, b. 1757, Wake Co., N.C., d. 1834, m. 15 Mar 1779 to William Clements (married by Wm. Burford, Jr. and witnessed by Reuben Searcy). Sources: Marriages of Granville County, North Carolina, 1753-1868, compiled by Brent H. Holcomb, published in Baltimore by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1981, p. 65. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell > Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth > Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) > Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William Jr.) > and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla Harrison. > Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James Daniel > II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William Jr., > did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his son. > > So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would be > the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in 1765, > William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a > brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. > > Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might slip > old James into a family. Payne > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > statistics." > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Mike and Annie, > > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we > > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and > > Sarah DANIEL. > > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given > name > > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of > > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, somewhere, > or > > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and Charles > > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the > > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up in > > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS are > > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, > > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was of > > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, > located > > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for > in > > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many other > > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this bunch. > > Not many..... > > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene > and > > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to the > > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is > > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I can > > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I > also > > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which seems > > to follow. > > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. A > > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named James > > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who > > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James > > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John > DANIEL > > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > > Morgan County, GA. > > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax County, > > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families > of > > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of Edgefield, > > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of this > > name, LITTLEBERRY. > > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS > were > > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee > DANIELS > > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks to > > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, they > > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into > VA > > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL > > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene County, > > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on all > > of these families....... > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > Annie, > > > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you > my > > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning > James > > DANIEL, > > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake > Cty., > > NC. > > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > > Edmund. > > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it > > may > > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's > brother > > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the > > tooth to > > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > > Huxford > > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that > James > > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how > > they > > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact > marry > > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake > > Cty., NC. > > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry > County, > > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > > However, she also > > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son o f > > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, > > NC. We > > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake > > Cty by > > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > > Woodson was > > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger > > DANIEL > > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this > has > > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., > NC > > who > > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons > John, > > David, > > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. > As > > Payne > > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher > working > > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, > > who > > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit > > into > > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and Elizabeth Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William Jr.) and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla Harrison. Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James Daniel II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William Jr., did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his son. So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would be the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in 1765, William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be a brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we might slip old James into a family. Payne "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Benjamin Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Mike and Annie, > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and > Sarah DANIEL. > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given name > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, somewhere, or > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and Charles > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up in > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS are > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was of > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, located > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for in > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many other > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this bunch. > Not many..... > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene and > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to the > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I can > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I also > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which seems > to follow. > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. A > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named James > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John DANIEL > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in > Morgan County, GA. > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax County, > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families of > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of Edgefield, > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of this > name, LITTLEBERRY. > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS were > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee DANIELS > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks to > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, they > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into VA > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene County, > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on all > of these families....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Annie, > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you my > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning James > DANIEL, > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake Cty., > NC. > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to > Edmund. > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it > may > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's brother > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the > tooth to > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the > Huxford > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that James > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how > they > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact marry > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake > Cty., NC. > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry County, > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > However, she also > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son of > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, > NC. We > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake > Cty by > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe > Woodson was > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger > DANIEL > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this has > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., NC > who > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons John, > David, > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. As > Payne > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher working > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, > who > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit > into > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > Mike > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Mike and Annie, There are a lot of things that make me question some of the stuff we have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas and Sarah DANIEL. What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this DANIEL bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big given name in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and not Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant of Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, somewhere, or at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and Charles is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to the family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end up in Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The CARROLLS are also one of the families closely identified as having followed the CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the CARLTONS, COFFEES and others to GA from PA. I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. was of Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, located adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood for in this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many other surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this bunch. Not many..... We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in Greene and Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related to the Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, is profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best I can tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. I also know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which seems to follow. There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, GA. A William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named James and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA will. I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, GA who died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the James DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which John DANIEL was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or something similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated in Morgan County, GA. Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax County, NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY families of Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of Edgefield, SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source of this name, LITTLEBERRY. I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these DANIELS were either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee DANIELS who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, my family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for folks to now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, they were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south into VA for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these DANIEL families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene County, GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there on all of these families....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Annie, > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you my > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning James DANIEL, > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake Cty., NC. > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to Edmund. > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it may > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's brother > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the tooth to > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the Huxford > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that James > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how they > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact marry > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake Cty., NC. > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry County, > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. However, she also > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son of > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, NC. We > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake Cty by > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe Woodson was > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger DANIEL > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this has > never been conclusively proven. > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., NC who > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons John, David, > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. As Payne > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher working > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, who > concurs with this thinking. > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit into > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Annie, I am very interested in this Daniel COLEMAN that you list. I carry a Daniel COLEMAN (b. ABT 1720 in VA) who died in Warren County, NC. According to my information, he was married to a Unity CARROLL. It was their son, Eden COLEMAN (1764-1817) born Warren County, NC, died Greene County, GA who married Nancy Ann DANIEL (ABT 1765-1828) , d/o Thomas DANIEL (ABt 1740-1813) and either a Sarah BURNEY or Sarah RANDALL of Greene County, GA. I think his wife was a RANDALL but that is just a guess. Nancy Ann's siblings, William DANIEL married a KING girl, Sally DANIEL married a FITZSIMMONS, Betsy DANIEL married a MARTIN and a COOPER, Mary DANIEL married a FAUCHE and Charles DANIEL married Elizabeth COFFEE. This, according to most sources and all of it in Greene County, GA. I do not have her father, Thomas DANIEL (ABT 1740-1813), assigned. So, if what I am seeing here is correct, he was a VA DANIEL who may have migrated to GA through Warren County, NC where the COLEMANS lived. My guess would be they were out of Orange or Augusta County, VA area, or somewhere close by because Eden COLEMAN was swapping land with the RAMSEYS out of Edgefield and I think they were from this area of VA. Just a guess on my part. FYI, these DANIEL-COLEMAN-HUNTER descendants of Greensboro, Greene County, GA tie right into my RICHTER family in Morgan County, GA at the grand uncle level and my grandfather also married a DANIEL. The story from the HUNTERS is -- they were one of the wealthiest families of Greensboro which matches in with all of this bunch. So, what we have here is one of these RICHTER boys married a DANIEL-COLEMAN-HUNTER descendant of this Thomas DANIEL family of Greene County and his younger brother married a DANIEL out of Jefferson County, GA. Were these two DANIEL families related, I do not know...... I do feel the SANFORDS of Loudon County, VA, the RALLS of Stafford County, VA and the others already mentioned may give us some idea who this bunch are related to..... <<< Greene Co., Will Book 1817-1842 Page 1 In the name of God Amen, I , Eden Coleman of the State of Georgia and County ? (aforesaid), being sick and expecting to die, to make and ordain ? (this) to be my last will and testament. 1st - I will that each of my dear children receive at the end of the... of my estate twwo hundred dollars. 2nd - I will that the whole of my estate... live legacy of two hundred dollars remain in the hands and be at the use ... (of) my beloved wife Nancy Coleman. 3rd - I appoint and constitute my beloved wife Nancy Coleman sole executor of this my last will and testament ordained and made... (this) tenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred... (and) sixteen. In witness whereof I hereunto affix my name. E. Coleman Witness: Lovick Pierce Alexander Cunn William Frettwell >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Good stuff Annie, keep the records straight. Payne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Well, this is Annie <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> ~ apparently I wore out this > > address... got kicked off again. Just thought I should identify myself... > > wouldn't want anyone to think there were two ole nettles out here. <g> > > > > First, I also thank Mike for sending the James DANIEL Will of 1848. > > > > MENTIONED: "Gilly DANIEL is Griselle CLEMENTS" > > > > ... or GRIZZELL Clements. This christian name of GRIZZELL and the > SPILSBE > > christian name go on for many generations in the COLEMAN families, and > below > > you can see why. > > > > GENERATIONS: > > 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR., b: before 1622, England ~ dc: 1682, Gloucester > Co., > > VA ~ Married ELIZABETH GRIZZELL bc: 1630 > > 2. Grizzell COLEMAN, bc: 1660, married Benjamin CLEMENTS ~ She was sister > to > > Daniel and Robert below. > > > > 2. Daniel COLEMAN ~ his line leads to Elizabeth Coleman who married Jesse > > CLEMENTS in 1787 Amherst Co, VA. > > > > 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR, b: 1656, Gloucester Co., VA ~ Married ANNE > SPILSBE > > b: 1659, and they had, among others: > > 3. Robert COLEMAN, III, b: 1682, King & Queen County, Virginia ~ dc: > 1748, > > Picadilly, Caroline County, Virginia ~ Married Mary CLAYTON, and had, > among > > others: > > 3. SPILSBE COLEMAN, bc: 1725 ~ d: 1757 ~ d: UNMARRIED > > > > Killed by lightening. Will admitted for probate 03 MAY 1757 (WB B, p. 310, > > Spotsylvania Co. Records). Spilsbe left the bulk of his property to > brothers > > Richard, Thomas, Robert and John, and to BROTHER-IN-LAW WILLIAM DANIEL. > Spilsbe > > COLEMAN was commissioned 2nd Lt. of the Militia on 4 May 1756 (OB 1755-56, > > Spotsylvania Co. Records). From Spilsbe's will: "The lease of Zachary > > TALIAFERO to be sold and proceeds distributed amongst the poor of this > parish." > > Book by Sherriane Nicol - The Coleman Family of Mobjack Bay, Virginia > > Updated from 1959 manuscripts of Judge S. B. Coleman, Bradenton, Florida > 1998 > > Page 129 > > ``````````````````````````````````````` > > And don't forget Spilsbe DANIEL who married Sarah ASBURY, related to > Hannah > > ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL > > ```````````````````````````````````````` > > MENTIONED: "Supposedly Edmund DANIEL had a son Cordial also which has > been a > > curiosity to me (were Edmund and James somehow related..?)" > > > > No "supposedly" about it... Edmund DANIEL and Elizabeth TEMBTE did have a > son > > named Cordial, as did their son Henning DANIEL and Hannah ASBURY plus a > few > > more related down the road in time from them. > > > > Edmund DANIEL also had a brother named James DANIEL, and if James had a > son > > named Cordial DANIEL, or a daughter named Cordia DANIEL, which the girls > got > > stuck with, then this must be Edmund's brother. Their parents were > William > > DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN ~ and not necessarily the "William" mentioned > in > > Spilsbe COLEMAN's Will noted above. > > > > I believe the clue to my DANIELs might possibly be in the surname of > CORDIAL, > > a French name I believe, and one that I'm totally stumped on, as appears > > there were few in my needed time frame. Then... > > > > If CORDIAL [multiple spellings available] was the surname of Dr. Henning > > TEMBTE's mother, he, b: 1712, being the father of Elizabeth TEMBTE who > married > > Edmund DANIEL circa 1770,... then forget it, as the best of genealogists > in the > > past have never found his origins under TEMBTE, TEMPLE, TEMBLE, or > wherever > > they searched. However, I rather suspect Henning TEMBTE was French too, > for what > > that is worth. > > > > Annie > > Ole Nettles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Annie, Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give you my thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday concerning James DANIEL, husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of Wake Cty., NC. You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner to Edmund. You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I think it may be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's brother James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long in the tooth to marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in the Huxford Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to how they may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in fact marry William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in Wake Cty., NC. Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry County, Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. However, she also states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a son of William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in Greenville, NC. We have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in Wake Cty by his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many believe Woodson was son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. (Roger DANIEL line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously this has never been conclusively proven. I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and Elizabeth WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan Cty., NC who married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's sons John, David, Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close proximity. As Payne mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher working for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's daughters, who concurs with this thinking. At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell somehow fit into the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. Mike

Good stuff Annie, keep the records straight. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Well, this is Annie <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> ~ apparently I wore out this > address... got kicked off again. Just thought I should identify myself... > wouldn't want anyone to think there were two ole nettles out here. <g> > > First, I also thank Mike for sending the James DANIEL Will of 1848. > > MENTIONED: "Gilly DANIEL is Griselle CLEMENTS" > > ... or GRIZZELL Clements. This christian name of GRIZZELL and the SPILSBE > christian name go on for many generations in the COLEMAN families, and below > you can see why. > > GENERATIONS: > 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR., b: before 1622, England ~ dc: 1682, Gloucester Co., > VA ~ Married ELIZABETH GRIZZELL bc: 1630 > 2. Grizzell COLEMAN, bc: 1660, married Benjamin CLEMENTS ~ She was sister to > Daniel and Robert below. > > 2. Daniel COLEMAN ~ his line leads to Elizabeth Coleman who married Jesse > CLEMENTS in 1787 Amherst Co, VA. > > 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR, b: 1656, Gloucester Co., VA ~ Married ANNE SPILSBE > b: 1659, and they had, among others: > 3. Robert COLEMAN, III, b: 1682, King & Queen County, Virginia ~ dc: 1748, > Picadilly, Caroline County, Virginia ~ Married Mary CLAYTON, and had, among > others: > 3. SPILSBE COLEMAN, bc: 1725 ~ d: 1757 ~ d: UNMARRIED > > Killed by lightening. Will admitted for probate 03 MAY 1757 (WB B, p. 310, > Spotsylvania Co. Records). Spilsbe left the bulk of his property to brothers > Richard, Thomas, Robert and John, and to BROTHER-IN-LAW WILLIAM DANIEL. Spilsbe > COLEMAN was commissioned 2nd Lt. of the Militia on 4 May 1756 (OB 1755-56, > Spotsylvania Co. Records). From Spilsbe's will: "The lease of Zachary > TALIAFERO to be sold and proceeds distributed amongst the poor of this parish." > Book by Sherriane Nicol - The Coleman Family of Mobjack Bay, Virginia > Updated from 1959 manuscripts of Judge S. B. Coleman, Bradenton, Florida 1998 > Page 129 > ``````````````````````````````````````` > And don't forget Spilsbe DANIEL who married Sarah ASBURY, related to Hannah > ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL > ```````````````````````````````````````` > MENTIONED: "Supposedly Edmund DANIEL had a son Cordial also which has been a > curiosity to me (were Edmund and James somehow related..?)" > > No "supposedly" about it... Edmund DANIEL and Elizabeth TEMBTE did have a son > named Cordial, as did their son Henning DANIEL and Hannah ASBURY plus a few > more related down the road in time from them. > > Edmund DANIEL also had a brother named James DANIEL, and if James had a son > named Cordial DANIEL, or a daughter named Cordia DANIEL, which the girls got > stuck with, then this must be Edmund's brother. Their parents were William > DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN ~ and not necessarily the "William" mentioned in > Spilsbe COLEMAN's Will noted above. > > I believe the clue to my DANIELs might possibly be in the surname of CORDIAL, > a French name I believe, and one that I'm totally stumped on, as appears > there were few in my needed time frame. Then... > > If CORDIAL [multiple spellings available] was the surname of Dr. Henning > TEMBTE's mother, he, b: 1712, being the father of Elizabeth TEMBTE who married > Edmund DANIEL circa 1770,... then forget it, as the best of genealogists in the > past have never found his origins under TEMBTE, TEMPLE, TEMBLE, or wherever > they searched. However, I rather suspect Henning TEMBTE was French too, for what > that is worth. > > Annie > Ole Nettles > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Well, this is Annie <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> ~ apparently I wore out this address... got kicked off again. Just thought I should identify myself... wouldn't want anyone to think there were two ole nettles out here. <g> First, I also thank Mike for sending the James DANIEL Will of 1848. MENTIONED: "Gilly DANIEL is Griselle CLEMENTS" ... or GRIZZELL Clements. This christian name of GRIZZELL and the SPILSBE christian name go on for many generations in the COLEMAN families, and below you can see why. GENERATIONS: 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR., b: before 1622, England ~ dc: 1682, Gloucester Co., VA ~ Married ELIZABETH GRIZZELL bc: 1630 2. Grizzell COLEMAN, bc: 1660, married Benjamin CLEMENTS ~ She was sister to Daniel and Robert below. 2. Daniel COLEMAN ~ his line leads to Elizabeth Coleman who married Jesse CLEMENTS in 1787 Amherst Co, VA. 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR, b: 1656, Gloucester Co., VA ~ Married ANNE SPILSBE b: 1659, and they had, among others: 3. Robert COLEMAN, III, b: 1682, King & Queen County, Virginia ~ dc: 1748, Picadilly, Caroline County, Virginia ~ Married Mary CLAYTON, and had, among others: 3. SPILSBE COLEMAN, bc: 1725 ~ d: 1757 ~ d: UNMARRIED Killed by lightening. Will admitted for probate 03 MAY 1757 (WB B, p. 310, Spotsylvania Co. Records). Spilsbe left the bulk of his property to brothers Richard, Thomas, Robert and John, and to BROTHER-IN-LAW WILLIAM DANIEL. Spilsbe COLEMAN was commissioned 2nd Lt. of the Militia on 4 May 1756 (OB 1755-56, Spotsylvania Co. Records). From Spilsbe's will: "The lease of Zachary TALIAFERO to be sold and proceeds distributed amongst the poor of this parish." Book by Sherriane Nicol - The Coleman Family of Mobjack Bay, Virginia Updated from 1959 manuscripts of Judge S. B. Coleman, Bradenton, Florida 1998 Page 129 ``````````````````````````````````````` And don't forget Spilsbe DANIEL who married Sarah ASBURY, related to Hannah ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL ```````````````````````````````````````` MENTIONED: "Supposedly Edmund DANIEL had a son Cordial also which has been a curiosity to me (were Edmund and James somehow related..?)" No "supposedly" about it... Edmund DANIEL and Elizabeth TEMBTE did have a son named Cordial, as did their son Henning DANIEL and Hannah ASBURY plus a few more related down the road in time from them. Edmund DANIEL also had a brother named James DANIEL, and if James had a son named Cordial DANIEL, or a daughter named Cordia DANIEL, which the girls got stuck with, then this must be Edmund's brother. Their parents were William DANIEL and Elizabeth COLEMAN ~ and not necessarily the "William" mentioned in Spilsbe COLEMAN's Will noted above. I believe the clue to my DANIELs might possibly be in the surname of CORDIAL, a French name I believe, and one that I'm totally stumped on, as appears there were few in my needed time frame. Then... If CORDIAL [multiple spellings available] was the surname of Dr. Henning TEMBTE's mother, he, b: 1712, being the father of Elizabeth TEMBTE who married Edmund DANIEL circa 1770,... then forget it, as the best of genealogists in the past have never found his origins under TEMBTE, TEMPLE, TEMBLE, or wherever they searched. However, I rather suspect Henning TEMBTE was French too, for what that is worth. Annie Ole Nettles

Mike, Thank you for the will. Cheryl