Payne, If you want to put Sally ASBURY in the DANIEL group that I think you want to put her in, then I would suggest looking at Richard ASBURY and Elizabeth THORNTON of Richmond County, VA, later Greene County, GA. That, would make a lot of sense to me since their daughter, Hannah ASBURY married Henning DANIEL, Nancy ASBURY married Judge Robert NEWSOM and Winifred ASBURY married Malachi MURDEN -- all of Greene County, GA. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Spilsbe DANIEL > Hey ShuShu, would you accept that Sally Asbury was not the daughter of > Benjamin and Frances Asbury but was one of the unidentified children of > William Bolling Asbury. Also, if Sally was age 73 in 1857, wouldn't she be a > new born when she married Spilsby? These are questions posted to me by > another individual and I am pondering the implications as we speak. > > Also, Sally was not the sister of Hannah Asbury, but you know that. > > Your thought will be appreciated. Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:06 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Spilsbe DANIEL > > > > John, Don't believe Spilsby or Spilsbe DANIEL was in Georgia. > > > > Spilsby Daniel, bc: 1760/65, Bedford Co., Va ~ d: 15 MAR 1852, Kentucky. > He > > enlisted in Russell Co., Va., under Capt. Wm Bowen. He married 28 SEP > 1784, > > Wythe County, Virginia to Sally ASBURY ~ whom I, and others, now believe > was the > > line of Benjamin ASBURY and Frances BROWN, a brother to Thomas ASBURY and > > Anne WALKER Wright, my line to Richard ASBURY and Elizabeth THORNTON who > had > > Hannah ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL in Richmond County, Virginia > > > > Spilsbe DANIEL's pension application shows he lived in the western part of > > Virginia, and about 1800 he moved to Kentucky, where he lived in Wayne > Co., Ky., > > then in Overton County, TN and finally to Clinton Co., KY, where he died. > > The pension application was filed 05 JUN 1834, Fentress County, Tennessee. > > [See Pension Application S 21158] > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

A match on the Atlantic Modal Haplotype table does not indicate a relationship. It indicates that one is part of an early migrant group. In this case that would have taken place several thousand years ago. Typically, a 12/12 or 11/12 match indicates the possibility that two men may be related. The 12 marker test is most useful for eliminating relationships, or indicating the need to upgrade to the 25 or 37 marker tests to show if there is a relationship and how recent the relationship is. The following chart can be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/faq2.html, in case it gets jumbled in transmission. It shows what the various markers can show. The more markers that are used, the more recently the relationship can be shown to have occurred: > Number of matching markers > > 50% probability > that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > > 90% probability > that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > > 95% probability > that the MRCA was no longer than this number of generations > > *10 of 10* > > *16.5* > > *56* > > *72* > > *12 of 12* > > *14.5* > > *48* > > *62* > > *25 of 25* > > *7* > > *23* > > *30.4* > > *37 of 37* > > *5* > > *16* > > *21* > Vickie Lomon wrote: >I stand corrected, but I was going by the Atlantic Modal haplotype on the DNA page. But it's an assumption correct? They would have to up grade to the 25 maker test? Also explain the 37 marker test, what exactly would that clarify? > >Atlantic Modal Haplotype > > > > > >Probably part of the Atlantic Modal Haplotype. William and Basil may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. > >"Kevin W. Q. Daniel" <kwdaniel1@mindspring.com> wrote: >Unfortunately, the Middlesex Daniel descendant has not upgraded to the >the 25 marker test, so it is not possible to tell how close the match >is, if there is one. I match another Daniel exactly on the 12 marker >test, but we differ by 5 on the 25 marker test meaning we are not >related and the common surname is a coincidence. > >Three different Daniel groups also have an 11/12 marker match with a >Daniel in the UK, but two of us do not match him closely on the 25 >marker test and are unrelated. One of these is the Middlesex Daniel who >has only taken the 12 marker test. > >Kevin > >Vickie Lomon wrote: > > > >>Thank you very much for the information, I do greatly appreciate it, Rev. Horace Edwin Hayden may be correct assigning them to the Middlesex bunch. If I understand the Daniel DNA project correctly William Daniel of Middlesex and Basil Daniel along with Edward Daniel may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. Our problem is, we know Edward Daniel was in Henry county, Va. along with a John Daniel and the Tatum families. But we can't find out who the parents are of Edward or Basil. Basil Daniel was in the Pendelton District, South Carolina on the 1800 census. But we can't get past that year. Some of this line went to Shelby and Clay county, Illinois, others went to Grainger county, Tn. and later on to Carroll and Newton county, ARk. Thanks Vickie >> >>ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com wrote:First, I stand corrected regarding the mention recently of Eustace, Edmond, >>and Alice DANIEL being in the Louise du Billet books ~ They appear in the >>Virginia Genealogies, by Rev Horace Edwin HAYDEN... which deals with the >>"Middlesex" DANIELs. And, apparently HAYDEN didn't really know what to do with them. >> >>[pg 330] "Blissland Parish Reg. ~ DANIEL ~ Eustace, son of Edmond and Alice >>DANIEL, b: 04 DEC 1734/35; baptized 06 FEB 1734/35. James, son of Walter and >>William [? ~ what it sez] DANIEL, b: 21 OCT 1737; baptized 27 NOV 1737. >>Sarah, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 28 SEP 1756; baptized 07 NOV 1756. >>Mary, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 07 SEP 1758; baptized 29 OCT 1758. >>William, son of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 04 OCT 1767." >> >>[pg 226] Samuel COLEMAN >>"The next grant was to Edwin CONWAY for 1250 acres in Lancaster County, S. E. >>side Corotoman River ~ 1000 acre grant by two patents, one of 06 DEC 1652, in >>which he and his wife Martha are named as head-rights, and which states that >>Edwyn CONWAY had come to Virginia four times; and then one of 06 APR 1654, for >>250 acres for five persons ~ William COLLINS, Edward BENNETT, Alice ELLIS, >>Ann ROBERTS and SAMUEL COLEMAN. >> >>>From Martha: The Caroline County portion says that Samuel DANIEL and Michael >>Brown ROBERTS were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was >>14 April 1780. >> >>hmmm.... the BROWN and ROBERTS names connected to the COLEMANs who had plenty >>of Samuels, and with both these surnames connected to the ASBURYs... and >>CONWAYs connected to the BALL/THORNTON/DANIELs who also connected to the ASBURYs. >>Hannah ASBURY who + Henning DANIEL was the daughter of Elizabeth THORNTON >>connected to the BALLs and WASHINGTONs.... and I'm thinking we've got about three >>different lines of DANIELs involved here... I keep thinking about Hugh >>DANIEL, bc: 1635/45 and his Mary BILLINGTON, who, I think, had a DARBY DANIEL.... >>then there was Reverend Billington SA(U)NDERS down in Georgia who connected to >>my families someplace ~ COLEMANs also connected to the SA(U)NDERS who connected >>to the THORNTONs too. Me think it possible some of the Middlesex DANIELs >>don't belong to their current assignments either. >> >> >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: >>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> >> >> >>==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > > > >

Aha, more goodies to ponder, thanks to all of you for your input. Now to catch up with same. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Edmund DANIEL of Caroline County, 1786 ~ Spotsylvania County D... > More Spotsylvania (VA.) stuff: > > From "Virginia County Records, Volume 1 Spotsylvania County 1721-1800" > > DANIEL, Edmund, Spotsylvania Co. d. Oct 1, 1799, Executors Bond dated Dec 3, > 1799. Wit: George BRONAUGH, Anthony ARNOLD, Sarah ARNOLD. Ex. Son Reuben > DANIEL, James ROBBINS. Leg. Wife Peggy DANIEL, sons Reuben and Tomson DANIEL. > > If I remember correctly someone (I believe Jack Butler) provided information > that this Edmund was son of Elijah DANIEL and was executor of Elijah's 1784 > Caroline Cty. will. Elijah was brother of William who married Elizabeth COLEMAN > & Sarah, who married Col. James LINDSAY. > > > Also from "The Vestry Book & Register of St. Peter's Parish New Kent and > Jones City Counties, VA 1684-1786": > > Brett Daniell decd the 14 of July, 1698. > > 1756. Sarah Daughter of Walter and Mary Daniel, born Sept. 28, baptized Nov. > 7. > 1758. Mary Daughter of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Sept’r 17, baptized Oct’ r > 29. > 1767. Wm. Daniel son of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Octo. 4. > > Dorothy ye wife of Walter DANIELL died Oct 5, 1724 > 1737 James- Son of Walter & Million DANIEL b. 6 Oct 25, Bapt Nov 27 > > Also as to Edmund, Alice & Eustace: > > From loose Granville Cty., NC estate papers: > > Edmund Daniel 1755, admr Alice Daniel. signed by Alis Daniel. > > From Granville Cty., NC tax lists: > > 1753 Granville Tax List > Edmund Daniell and son Hustes > Thoms. Daniell > > 1755 Granville Tax List: > p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 > next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 > > In 1757 Granville Cty, NC Tax List there was a Eustis Daniel > > 1755 Granville Tax List: > p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 > next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Thanks, I will. Hey Annie, would you accept that Sally Asbury was not the daughter of Benjamin and Frances Asbury but was one of the unidentified children of William Bolling Asbury. Also, if Sally was age 73 in 1857, wouldn't she be a new born when she married Spilsby? These are questions posted to me by another individual and I am pondering the implications as we speak. Also, Sally was not the sister of Hannah Asbury, but you know that. Your thought will be appreciated. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] To Payne ~ RE: Edmund's brother v. nephew > Payne, My apologies regarding brother v nephew. The minute I sent my post, > realized the error, and had intended to send correction, but got sidetracked. > As to the Pricilla HARRISON marriage of James, and him being a son of > Elizabeth COLEMAN and William DANIEL ~ Check my excerpt from post #3 below regarding > this William DANIEL as I believe we have a problem with this particular couple. > > > 4.c Elizabeth COLEMAN, Daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth WYATT ~ Married > Captain William DANIEL, DIED 1764, Caroline County, VIRGINIA [not Kentucky]. He > and Elizabeth had at least two sons, William Daniel and THOMAS Coleman DANIEL, > because they were executors of their father's will. > [Caroline County Records ~ OB 1763-65, pg 325] > > NOTE: The following is not an original part of the family history, and > herein, I believe, is where the problem lies regarding the COLEMAN + DANIEL > marriage: "A Supplement to Pamunkey Neighbors, The Daniel Family, by Ruth and Sam > Sparacio, lists their children as William, James, Harrison and Tabitha Ann > Daniel who married Philip Buchner." > > If nothing else, where's Thomas Coleman DANIEL one of the executors of his > father's Will ~ and I don't think Captain William DANIEL and his Elizabeth > COLEMAN ever saw KENTUCKY to live there. > > Annie > Ole Nettles > If a person lies, they will steal, and if they steal, they will kill. > My Grams, b: 1869, who probably read Disraeli in her time. <g> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Hey ShuShu, would you accept that Sally Asbury was not the daughter of Benjamin and Frances Asbury but was one of the unidentified children of William Bolling Asbury. Also, if Sally was age 73 in 1857, wouldn't she be a new born when she married Spilsby? These are questions posted to me by another individual and I am pondering the implications as we speak. Also, Sally was not the sister of Hannah Asbury, but you know that. Your thought will be appreciated. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Spilsbe DANIEL > John, Don't believe Spilsby or Spilsbe DANIEL was in Georgia. > > Spilsby Daniel, bc: 1760/65, Bedford Co., Va ~ d: 15 MAR 1852, Kentucky. He > enlisted in Russell Co., Va., under Capt. Wm Bowen. He married 28 SEP 1784, > Wythe County, Virginia to Sally ASBURY ~ whom I, and others, now believe was the > line of Benjamin ASBURY and Frances BROWN, a brother to Thomas ASBURY and > Anne WALKER Wright, my line to Richard ASBURY and Elizabeth THORNTON who had > Hannah ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL in Richmond County, Virginia > > Spilsbe DANIEL's pension application shows he lived in the western part of > Virginia, and about 1800 he moved to Kentucky, where he lived in Wayne Co., Ky., > then in Overton County, TN and finally to Clinton Co., KY, where he died. > The pension application was filed 05 JUN 1834, Fentress County, Tennessee. > [See Pension Application S 21158] > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Yes, I understand! Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > Payne, > I try to look more so over a complete family than just one sibling of > that family. That, is where a lot of folks get in trouble. > I have to assume, also, that if one sibling married a certain person, > there was a good chance another one of their siblings would marry into that > same family or a family close to one of these two families. > When someone tells me that a Willie SMITH married a Betsy DANIEL then I > would assume his sister, Betsy SMITH, whom we also know married a Jimmy > DANIEL, married into the same overall DANIEL family. Occasionally, we find > that these two DANIEL kids were not siblings, but cousins, but they were > still out of the same overall family. Know what I mean? > This is where genealogy gets tough for some and where a lot of > assignment errors occur. It is easy to assign Betsy to a certain DANIEL > family but when you get to Jimmy, it is hard to create a genealogy where her > sibling is not assigned to the right families. I always say -- it is easy > to fabricate a genealogy across one family but it gets really tough when one > tries to do it across several or more families, because their collateral > information and good old common sense tells you "something is amiss, here." > Know what I mean? > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > Thanks John, I suspect that somewhere in your dissertation there is a > > straight answer. I will consider your opinion that James was a son of > > Woodson and Nancy and forrage thru the collateral implications to see if > the > > pieces fit; and of course ponder who is "on a roll" . <g> > > > > Bring on the Wolves. Payne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > Payne, > > > Being a little long in the tooth or still carrying ones baby teeth > has > > > never been a prerequisite for assignment before, so, why stop when you > are > > > on a roll? <grin> > > > The CLEMENTS are generally a Surry County, VA bunch, so one would > > think > > > they would generally tie into an Surry/IOW area family and we see a lot > of > > > that. The general links I see in the CLEMENTS are to Southside and then > > > down to Wake and Granville County, NC. We also know that Peyton > CLEMENTS, > > > Grisille's father, lived in Granville. > > > Granville is also home to some of the Middlesex bunch but it is also > > > adjacent to PE County, VA where the CUNNINGHAMS, COFFEES and that bunch > > > migrated through on the way to GA. We also know that a lot of the > > families > > > in Lunenburg and PE County, VA had direct links into Granville County, > NC. > > > I do not know but what I do know is -- I am not seeing a lot of > Essex > > > County, VA families in the Greene County, GA area. These could be > Essex > > > County, VA DANIELS but I would have to see a lot more of them and their > > > collaterals in this area of GA to convince me of that fact. Now, the > > > families of Essex are not one of my stronger suits, so I will defer to > > your > > > judgment on them. > > > I am seeing some eastern VA families in the Greene County, GA area > but > > a > > > lot of them are western VA families who formerly lived in either > > > north-central and western VA or southern PA; combined with more than > > several > > > "Southside" VA families -- all with big bucks to spread around. I think > > you > > > have to look who this whole bunch married into in order to know where > they > > > came from. > > > In my opinion, when you have Griselle CLEMENTS marrying a James > DANIEL > > > and her half-brother, William CLEMENTS, marrying an Elizabeth DANIEL, > > > daughter of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy then you have to look at James also > > > being also a son of Woodson DANIEL and Nancy GOUGE of Granville County, > > NC. > > > This agrees with the fact their brother, Jesse CLEMENTS, married a Mary > > > Elizabeth COLEMAN born in Goochland County, VA and she was probably > > related > > > to that COLEMAN bunch that also came to Greene County, GA from VA. We > > also > > > know well where the WOODSONS were from -- Goochland area. big time. > > > My thought is -- if you are going to re-assign James DANIEL, then > you > > > have to re-assign Elizabeth DANIEL, too..... Are you willing to do > that? > > > > > > From my notes on this Woodson DANIEL family: > > > > > > <<< > > > Sounds like your Woodson Daniel is the same as mine. I have Woodson > Daniel > > > b. 1736, d. 1791, m. to Nancy ?, and he appears in Wake Co., N.C. 1790 > > > Census. My link to him is through his daughter, Elizabeth Daniel, b. > 1757, > > > Wake Co., N.C., d. 1834, m. 15 Mar 1779 to William Clements (married by > > Wm. > > > Burford, Jr. and witnessed by Reuben Searcy). > > > > > > Sources: Marriages of Granville County, North Carolina, 1753-1868, > > compiled > > > by Brent H. Holcomb, published in Baltimore by Genealogical Publishing > > Co., > > > Inc., 1981, p. 65. > > > >>> > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > Let's toss some more fat on the fire regarding James Daniel + Grizzell > > > > Clements being the son or grandson of William Daniel Jr., and > Elizabeth > > > > Coleman. (Caroline Co., VA.) > > > > Heinemann assigns a son James (-41- Son of 11) to this family (William > > > Jr.) > > > > and states that he (James) probably married a Drucilla or Pricilla > > > Harrison. > > > > Cousin Joe Daniel and I believe that this James was the son of James > > > Daniel > > > > II, the son of James of Essex Co., Va. That isn't to say that William > > Jr., > > > > did not have a son James, we just believe that James #41 was not his > > son. > > > > > > > > So is the door open for William Jr. to have a son James? And, he would > > be > > > > the brother of Edmund, Thomas, et. al. DANIELS? If James was born in > > 1765, > > > > William Jr. might be a little long in the tooth and James might not be > a > > > > brother but a nephew to Edmund, Thomas, etc. > > > > > > > > Now, I am going to review everybody's ideas again to see where we > might > > > slip > > > > old James into a family. Payne > > > > > > > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > > > > statistics." > > > > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:50 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike and Annie, > > > > > There are a lot of things that make me question some of the > stuff > > we > > > > > have seen out of Greene County, GA, especially as relates to Thomas > > and > > > > > Sarah DANIEL. > > > > > What I do know is that Charles is not a family name in this > DANIEL > > > > > bunch, that I can tell. What I do know is that Charles is a big > given > > > > name > > > > > in the CUNNINGHAMS of SW Virginia. > > > > > If anything, I think that Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) who married > > > > > Elizabeth COFFEE may be a descendant of the DANIEL-KELSO bunch and > not > > > > > Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA. Or if he is indeed a descendant > > of > > > > > Thomas DANIEL, then Thomas was out of this DANIEL-KELSO bunch, > > > somewhere, > > > > or > > > > > at least, a family closely associated with the CUNNINGHAMS. > > > > > My reasoning is -- given named flow in families like water and > > > Charles > > > > > is a definite CUNNINGHAM family name. Also, the CARROLS are tied to > > the > > > > > family of Daniel COLEMAN of Warren County, NC, whose descendants end > > up > > > in > > > > > Greene County, GA tied to the same Thomas DANIEL family. The > CARROLLS > > > are > > > > > also one of the families closely identified as having followed the > > > > > CUNNINGHAMS, along with the Kelso-DANIEL bunch, as well as the > > CARLTONS, > > > > > COFFEES and others to GA from PA. > > > > > I also know that one of these CARLTONS, a John K. CARLTON, Esq. > > was > > > of > > > > > Thomas County, GA and his brother, Henry, was in Morgan County, GA, > > > > located > > > > > adjacent to Greene County, GA. I also do not know what the K. stood > > for > > > > in > > > > > this John's name but I would not bet against, KELSO. Just how many > > > other > > > > > surnames do we know that start with K. and are located around this > > > bunch. > > > > > Not many..... > > > > > We know the Coleman, Spilsby and Asbury DANIEL bunch were in > > Greene > > > > and > > > > > Morgan County, GA, early, but this does not mean they were related > to > > > the > > > > > Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA. The key thing, to me, > > is > > > > > profile and the Cunningham-Daniel bunch were high steppers, as best > I > > > can > > > > > tell. I do not see this same profile in this other DANIEL family. > I > > > > also > > > > > know the HUNTERS of Greene County, GA were also high steppers, which > > > seems > > > > > to follow. > > > > > There are several DANIELS that float, early, in Morgan County, > GA. > > > A > > > > > William DANIEL who d.unm. and w/o heirs in 1839 had a brother named > > > James > > > > > and a father named, John. This from his 1839 Morgan County, GA > will. > > > > > I also know there was a Capt. James L. DANIEL of Morgan County, > GA > > > who > > > > > died in a hotel in Macon, GA in 1850. I also believe he was the > > James > > > > > DANIEL mentioned in William's 1839 will of Morgan County. Which > John > > > > DANIEL > > > > > was their father, I do not know but the name, Littleberry or > something > > > > > similar to that, was a name listed in William's 1839 will, probated > in > > > > > Morgan County, GA. > > > > > Some of this LITTLEBERY information may point back to Halifax > > > County, > > > > > NC, a place that some say were the origins of Thomas DANIEL of > Greene > > > > > County, GA. Or, it may point back to the COCKE and LITTLEBERRY > > families > > > > of > > > > > Charles City County, VA or the BUSH and LITTLEBERRY families of > > > Edgefield, > > > > > SC. I do not know which, if any of these families was the source > of > > > this > > > > > name, LITTLEBERRY. > > > > > I would not be against the possibility that a lot of these > DANIELS > > > > were > > > > > either recent immigrants from Ireland, Scotland or England or Yankee > > > > DANIELS > > > > > who moved south, as did a lot of other families in that time frame, > my > > > > > family, included. They may have stayed just long enough in VA for > > folks > > > to > > > > > now think they were descendants of early VA families, when, in fact, > > > they > > > > > were not. I have scads of New England families that migrated south > > into > > > > VA > > > > > for one generation and then on south into GA by 1800. Were these > > DANIEL > > > > > families any different? I am beginning to think, not....... > > > > > It may take DNA analysis to straighten out this mess in Greene > > > County, > > > > > GA because there is just too much conflicting information out there > on > > > all > > > > > of these families....... > > > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > > > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > > > > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:09 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Cordial, James, Edmund DANIEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annie, > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly good stuff! I think there may be something here. I will give > > you > > > > my > > > > > > thoughts and answer Payne & John's exchange of yesterday > concerning > > > > James > > > > > DANIEL, > > > > > > husband of Grizzell Clements, being a son of Woodson DANIEL of > Wake > > > > Cty., > > > > > NC. > > > > > > You and I seem to agree that James may be related in some manner > to > > > > > Edmund. > > > > > > You mention the possibility that James was Edmund's brother. I > > think > > > it > > > > > may > > > > > > be more probable that James was Edmund's nephew, a son of Edmund's > > > > brother > > > > > > James. I suspect Edmund's brother James may have been a bit long > in > > > the > > > > > tooth to > > > > > > marry Grizzell. I had recorded an old quote from an article in > the > > > > > Huxford > > > > > > Genealogy Society Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec.1998 that states > that > > > > James > > > > > > (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was a son of James. > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the Woodson DANIEL connection, I have several theories as to > > how > > > > > they > > > > > > may have started. Firstly, Woodson's daughter Elizabeth did in > fact > > > > marry > > > > > > William CLEMENTS, Grizell's older (half?) brother 15 Mar 1779 in > > Wake > > > > > Cty., NC. > > > > > > Secondly, Mary Rowan DANIEL wrote in "The First Families of Henry > > > > County, > > > > > > Georgia" that James (Grizzell's hsbnd.) was son of Woodson DANIEL. > > > > > However, she also > > > > > > states Woodson is out of the Middlesex Cty., Va DANIEL's being a > son > > o > > > f > > > > > > William DANIEL & Elizabeth WATKINS and that Woodson died in > > > Greenville, > > > > > NC. We > > > > > > have pretty much established that Woodson of Wake Cty., NC died in > > > Wake > > > > > Cty by > > > > > > his will and subsequent inventories in court records. Many > believe > > > > > Woodson was > > > > > > son of James DANIEL and Elizabeth WOODSON of Goochland Cty., VA. > > > (Roger > > > > > DANIEL > > > > > > line) and as it has been pointed out on list exchanges previously > > this > > > > has > > > > > > never been conclusively proven. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have chosen to believe that Woodson was a son of James and > > Elizabeth > > > > > > WOODSON and that James, son of Woodson was James Daniel of Rowan > > Cty., > > > > NC > > > > > who > > > > > > married the widow Rebecca Travis ADDERTON. James and Woodson's > sons > > > > John, > > > > > David, > > > > > > Benjamin are all at times living in Rowan Cty., NC in close > > proximity. > > > > As > > > > > Payne > > > > > > mentioned we have both corresponded with a professional researcher > > > > working > > > > > > for another party to establish the ancestry of one of David's > > > daughters, > > > > > who > > > > > > concurs with this thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate I have a stronger feeling that James and Grizell > somehow > > > fit > > > > > into > > > > > > the Edmund, Thomas et al. DANIELS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about butchering the spelling of Grizell earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like > > to > > > > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a > > > suggestion > > > > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel > free > > to > > > > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you > > change > > > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > families > > or > > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not > > > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

Just to shed some light on Spilsby's residence. He was living in Tazewell Cty. Va. before his migration into Ky. He lived in the part of Tazewell that was previously Russell and before that Washington Cty. Va. When he moved to Ky. he lived in Cumberland Cty. Ky. The part of Cumberland he lived in became Wayne. He then moved to Overton Cty. Tn and that part he lived in became part of Fentress. When he moved back to Ky. the land where he had lived and siblings were living , was now part of Clinton Cty. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Spilsbe DANIEL > John, Don't believe Spilsby or Spilsbe DANIEL was in Georgia. > > Spilsby Daniel, bc: 1760/65, Bedford Co., Va ~ d: 15 MAR 1852, Kentucky. He > enlisted in Russell Co., Va., under Capt. Wm Bowen. He married 28 SEP 1784, > Wythe County, Virginia to Sally ASBURY ~ whom I, and others, now believe was the > line of Benjamin ASBURY and Frances BROWN, a brother to Thomas ASBURY and > Anne WALKER Wright, my line to Richard ASBURY and Elizabeth THORNTON who had > Hannah ASBURY who married Henning DANIEL in Richmond County, Virginia > > Spilsbe DANIEL's pension application shows he lived in the western part of > Virginia, and about 1800 he moved to Kentucky, where he lived in Wayne Co., Ky., > then in Overton County, TN and finally to Clinton Co., KY, where he died. > The pension application was filed 05 JUN 1834, Fentress County, Tennessee. > [See Pension Application S 21158] > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

I stand corrected, but I was going by the Atlantic Modal haplotype on the DNA page. But it's an assumption correct? They would have to up grade to the 25 maker test? Also explain the 37 marker test, what exactly would that clarify? Atlantic Modal Haplotype Probably part of the Atlantic Modal Haplotype. William and Basil may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. "Kevin W. Q. Daniel" <kwdaniel1@mindspring.com> wrote: Unfortunately, the Middlesex Daniel descendant has not upgraded to the the 25 marker test, so it is not possible to tell how close the match is, if there is one. I match another Daniel exactly on the 12 marker test, but we differ by 5 on the 25 marker test meaning we are not related and the common surname is a coincidence. Three different Daniel groups also have an 11/12 marker match with a Daniel in the UK, but two of us do not match him closely on the 25 marker test and are unrelated. One of these is the Middlesex Daniel who has only taken the 12 marker test. Kevin Vickie Lomon wrote: >Thank you very much for the information, I do greatly appreciate it, Rev. Horace Edwin Hayden may be correct assigning them to the Middlesex bunch. If I understand the Daniel DNA project correctly William Daniel of Middlesex and Basil Daniel along with Edward Daniel may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. Our problem is, we know Edward Daniel was in Henry county, Va. along with a John Daniel and the Tatum families. But we can't find out who the parents are of Edward or Basil. Basil Daniel was in the Pendelton District, South Carolina on the 1800 census. But we can't get past that year. Some of this line went to Shelby and Clay county, Illinois, others went to Grainger county, Tn. and later on to Carroll and Newton county, ARk. Thanks Vickie > >ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com wrote:First, I stand corrected regarding the mention recently of Eustace, Edmond, >and Alice DANIEL being in the Louise du Billet books ~ They appear in the >Virginia Genealogies, by Rev Horace Edwin HAYDEN... which deals with the >"Middlesex" DANIELs. And, apparently HAYDEN didn't really know what to do with them. > >[pg 330] "Blissland Parish Reg. ~ DANIEL ~ Eustace, son of Edmond and Alice >DANIEL, b: 04 DEC 1734/35; baptized 06 FEB 1734/35. James, son of Walter and >William [? ~ what it sez] DANIEL, b: 21 OCT 1737; baptized 27 NOV 1737. >Sarah, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 28 SEP 1756; baptized 07 NOV 1756. >Mary, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 07 SEP 1758; baptized 29 OCT 1758. >William, son of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 04 OCT 1767." > >[pg 226] Samuel COLEMAN >"The next grant was to Edwin CONWAY for 1250 acres in Lancaster County, S. E. >side Corotoman River ~ 1000 acre grant by two patents, one of 06 DEC 1652, in >which he and his wife Martha are named as head-rights, and which states that >Edwyn CONWAY had come to Virginia four times; and then one of 06 APR 1654, for >250 acres for five persons ~ William COLLINS, Edward BENNETT, Alice ELLIS, >Ann ROBERTS and SAMUEL COLEMAN. > >>From Martha: The Caroline County portion says that Samuel DANIEL and Michael >Brown ROBERTS were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was >14 April 1780. > >hmmm.... the BROWN and ROBERTS names connected to the COLEMANs who had plenty >of Samuels, and with both these surnames connected to the ASBURYs... and >CONWAYs connected to the BALL/THORNTON/DANIELs who also connected to the ASBURYs. >Hannah ASBURY who + Henning DANIEL was the daughter of Elizabeth THORNTON >connected to the BALLs and WASHINGTONs.... and I'm thinking we've got about three >different lines of DANIELs involved here... I keep thinking about Hugh >DANIEL, bc: 1635/45 and his Mary BILLINGTON, who, I think, had a DARBY DANIEL.... >then there was Reverend Billington SA(U)NDERS down in Georgia who connected to >my families someplace ~ COLEMANs also connected to the SA(U)NDERS who connected >to the THORNTONs too. Me think it possible some of the Middlesex DANIELs >don't belong to their current assignments either. > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Unfortunately, the Middlesex Daniel descendant has not upgraded to the the 25 marker test, so it is not possible to tell how close the match is, if there is one. I match another Daniel exactly on the 12 marker test, but we differ by 5 on the 25 marker test meaning we are not related and the common surname is a coincidence. Three different Daniel groups also have an 11/12 marker match with a Daniel in the UK, but two of us do not match him closely on the 25 marker test and are unrelated. One of these is the Middlesex Daniel who has only taken the 12 marker test. Kevin Vickie Lomon wrote: >Thank you very much for the information, I do greatly appreciate it, Rev. Horace Edwin Hayden may be correct assigning them to the Middlesex bunch. If I understand the Daniel DNA project correctly William Daniel of Middlesex and Basil Daniel along with Edward Daniel may descend from a remote common ancestor as they differ in only one marker. Our problem is, we know Edward Daniel was in Henry county, Va. along with a John Daniel and the Tatum families. But we can't find out who the parents are of Edward or Basil. Basil Daniel was in the Pendelton District, South Carolina on the 1800 census. But we can't get past that year. Some of this line went to Shelby and Clay county, Illinois, others went to Grainger county, Tn. and later on to Carroll and Newton county, ARk. Thanks Vickie > >ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com wrote:First, I stand corrected regarding the mention recently of Eustace, Edmond, >and Alice DANIEL being in the Louise du Billet books ~ They appear in the >Virginia Genealogies, by Rev Horace Edwin HAYDEN... which deals with the >"Middlesex" DANIELs. And, apparently HAYDEN didn't really know what to do with them. > >[pg 330] "Blissland Parish Reg. ~ DANIEL ~ Eustace, son of Edmond and Alice >DANIEL, b: 04 DEC 1734/35; baptized 06 FEB 1734/35. James, son of Walter and >William [? ~ what it sez] DANIEL, b: 21 OCT 1737; baptized 27 NOV 1737. >Sarah, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 28 SEP 1756; baptized 07 NOV 1756. >Mary, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 07 SEP 1758; baptized 29 OCT 1758. >William, son of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 04 OCT 1767." > >[pg 226] Samuel COLEMAN >"The next grant was to Edwin CONWAY for 1250 acres in Lancaster County, S. E. >side Corotoman River ~ 1000 acre grant by two patents, one of 06 DEC 1652, in >which he and his wife Martha are named as head-rights, and which states that >Edwyn CONWAY had come to Virginia four times; and then one of 06 APR 1654, for >250 acres for five persons ~ William COLLINS, Edward BENNETT, Alice ELLIS, >Ann ROBERTS and SAMUEL COLEMAN. > >>From Martha: The Caroline County portion says that Samuel DANIEL and Michael >Brown ROBERTS were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was >14 April 1780. > >hmmm.... the BROWN and ROBERTS names connected to the COLEMANs who had plenty >of Samuels, and with both these surnames connected to the ASBURYs... and >CONWAYs connected to the BALL/THORNTON/DANIELs who also connected to the ASBURYs. >Hannah ASBURY who + Henning DANIEL was the daughter of Elizabeth THORNTON >connected to the BALLs and WASHINGTONs.... and I'm thinking we've got about three >different lines of DANIELs involved here... I keep thinking about Hugh >DANIEL, bc: 1635/45 and his Mary BILLINGTON, who, I think, had a DARBY DANIEL.... >then there was Reverend Billington SA(U)NDERS down in Georgia who connected to >my families someplace ~ COLEMANs also connected to the SA(U)NDERS who connected >to the THORNTONs too. Me think it possible some of the Middlesex DANIELs >don't belong to their current assignments either. > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > >==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > >

More Spotsylvania (VA.) stuff: From "Virginia County Records, Volume 1 Spotsylvania County 1721-1800" DANIEL, Edmund, Spotsylvania Co. d. Oct 1, 1799, Executors Bond dated Dec 3, 1799. Wit: George BRONAUGH, Anthony ARNOLD, Sarah ARNOLD. Ex. Son Reuben DANIEL, James ROBBINS. Leg. Wife Peggy DANIEL, sons Reuben and Tomson DANIEL. If I remember correctly someone (I believe Jack Butler) provided information that this Edmund was son of Elijah DANIEL and was executor of Elijah's 1784 Caroline Cty. will. Elijah was brother of William who married Elizabeth COLEMAN & Sarah, who married Col. James LINDSAY. Also from "The Vestry Book & Register of St. Peter's Parish New Kent and Jones City Counties, VA 1684-1786": Brett Daniell decd the 14 of July, 1698. 1756. Sarah Daughter of Walter and Mary Daniel, born Sept. 28, baptized Nov. 7. 1758. Mary Daughter of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Sept’r 17, baptized Oct’r 29. 1767. Wm. Daniel son of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Octo. 4. Dorothy ye wife of Walter DANIELL died Oct 5, 1724 1737 James- Son of Walter & Million DANIEL b. 6 Oct 25, Bapt Nov 27 Also as to Edmund, Alice & Eustace: From loose Granville Cty., NC estate papers: Edmund Daniel 1755, admr Alice Daniel. signed by Alis Daniel. From Granville Cty., NC tax lists: 1753 Granville Tax List Edmund Daniell and son Hustes Thoms. Daniell 1755 Granville Tax List: p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 In 1757 Granville Cty, NC Tax List there was a Eustis Daniel 1755 Granville Tax List: p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 Mike Daniel

Thank you, Martha. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Boggs" <lmboggs@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Early Virginia records > Robert, Payne, John, and all interested, > > Go to the Library of Congress website, then to American Memory to search > collections. I put "Washington Manuscripts" in the search window. There > are just a few, and some have images, mainly letters. After these, there > will be a list of all the manuscripts that are online in the Library. There > are some 500 documents online, but just a few of George Washington's. I > went back to my notes and looked again at the Genealogy.com source. This is > a subscription site, as you probably know, but it has an excellent > collection of early sources. > > On the Genealogy site, there is Colonial America 1607-1789, tax lists and > state censuses. Also a collection called Colonial Virginia Source Records > 1600s-1800s. Another is a list of Virginia tax payers 1782-1787 that gives > county, number of polls and slaves. Another set is Virginia Colonial > Soldiers. This is where I found the references to John Daniel in the > Washington mss. No actual quotes here, but two numbers that don't help > much..just 112, 86, probably volume and page numbers. > > The reference to Samuel Daniel is this: > "Sam. Daniel, soldier in 1758 till properly discharged, in a regiment raised > for the defense of this state. Caroline Co., VA. Cert. date April 1780." > An index also gives this F. I.B.W. (French and Indian Bounty Warrant). This > is from Virginia Colonial Militia records. In the section on bounty land > applications, there are names of all applicants from each county in Virginia > and some information on each. The Caroline County portion says that Samuel > Daniel and Michael Brown Roberts were soldiers until discharged in 1758. > Application date was 14 April 1780. > > These paid sites are expensive, but there is a lot of information. Ancestry > also has good but expensive sources. I just grit my teeth and pay. > > Martha > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

This to Vickie Lomon and list: My nephew, Michael Daniels is going to do the DNA Test for our family which is the Edward Daniel, Sr., Joseph Daniel, John Daniel, Charles D. Hathaway Daniels,(Charles added an s to our name.)Raymond Daniels, Ray Daniels and now Michael Daniels. The markers from those you mention in your e-mail today should match with Michael's. I am excited that we will have another Daniel participating in the Daniel DNA Project! Evelyn Daniels Hansson

34. Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK J 1774-1782 page 399 20 MAR 1786. Thomas Mastin and Priscilla, his wife, of Spotsylvania County to EDMUND DANIEL of Caroline Co. £87 curr. 100 a. in Spots. Co., etc., etc. Wm. Cannon, Elizabeth Keith, Jno. Mastin. Septr. 5, 1786.

I will be digging to see what I can find, thanks a million Runforf471@aol.com wrote:More Spotsylvania (VA.) stuff: From "Virginia County Records, Volume 1 Spotsylvania County 1721-1800" DANIEL, Edmund, Spotsylvania Co. d. Oct 1, 1799, Executors Bond dated Dec 3, 1799. Wit: George BRONAUGH, Anthony ARNOLD, Sarah ARNOLD. Ex. Son Reuben DANIEL, James ROBBINS. Leg. Wife Peggy DANIEL, sons Reuben and Tomson DANIEL. If I remember correctly someone (I believe Jack Butler) provided information that this Edmund was son of Elijah DANIEL and was executor of Elijah's 1784 Caroline Cty. will. Elijah was brother of William who married Elizabeth COLEMAN & Sarah, who married Col. James LINDSAY. Also from "The Vestry Book & Register of St. Peter's Parish New Kent and Jones City Counties, VA 1684-1786": Brett Daniell decd the 14 of July, 1698. 1756. Sarah Daughter of Walter and Mary Daniel, born Sept. 28, baptized Nov. 7. 1758. Mary Daughter of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Sept���r 17, baptized Oct���r 29. 1767. Wm. Daniel son of Walter & Mary Daniel, born Octo. 4. Dorothy ye wife of Walter DANIELL died Oct 5, 1724 1737 James- Son of Walter & Million DANIEL b. 6 Oct 25, Bapt Nov 27 Also as to Edmund, Alice & Eustace: From loose Granville Cty., NC estate papers: Edmund Daniel 1755, admr Alice Daniel. signed by Alis Daniel. From Granville Cty., NC tax lists: 1753 Granville Tax List Edmund Daniell and son Hustes Thoms. Daniell 1755 Granville Tax List: p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 In 1757 Granville Cty, NC Tax List there was a Eustis Daniel 1755 Granville Tax List: p. 8 col. 2 Thomas Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 next Eustis Daniel: 1 - 0 - 1 Mike Daniel ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.

Way to go, Evelyn, Joe Daniel decided to do the 37 marker test, we also had another match with my direct line of Edward Daniel Sr. and Anne, they had William Daniel born 1799 , Va. who married Martha Mayes, the inturn had a son named John Daniel born 1822, Tn. who married Mary Annah Jeffreys, and inturn they had John Simon Daniel who married Margret Mason, John Simon was a brother to Rachell Daniel, daughter of John and Mary Annah, so we are all related. Vic Ken and Evelyn Hansson <wetwo@kyblue.com> wrote:This to Vickie Lomon and list: My nephew, Michael Daniels is going to do the DNA Test for our family which is the Edward Daniel, Sr., Joseph Daniel, John Daniel, Charles D. Hathaway Daniels,(Charles added an s to our name.)Raymond Daniels, Ray Daniels and now Michael Daniels. The markers from those you mention in your e-mail today should match with Michael's. I am excited that we will have another Daniel participating in the Daniel DNA Project! Evelyn Daniels Hansson ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

John, As to my Edmund DANIEL and his TEMBTE lady, possibly being in West Virginia, or Kentucky, before Georgia is not known as I believe there is about a ten year or more gap before they are found in Georgia. Some have said William DANIEL and his Elizabeth COLEMAN were in Kentucky ~ My point was regarding this same William DANIEL who died in 1764, Caroline County, VA ~ A year before James DANIEL, b: 1765, Kentucky, that married Priscilla HARRISON was born. Anne

First, I stand corrected regarding the mention recently of Eustace, Edmond, and Alice DANIEL being in the Louise du Billet books ~ They appear in the Virginia Genealogies, by Rev Horace Edwin HAYDEN... which deals with the "Middlesex" DANIELs. And, apparently HAYDEN didn't really know what to do with them. [pg 330] "Blissland Parish Reg. ~ DANIEL ~ Eustace, son of Edmond and Alice DANIEL, b: 04 DEC 1734/35; baptized 06 FEB 1734/35. James, son of Walter and William [? ~ what it sez] DANIEL, b: 21 OCT 1737; baptized 27 NOV 1737. Sarah, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 28 SEP 1756; baptized 07 NOV 1756. Mary, daughter of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 07 SEP 1758; baptized 29 OCT 1758. William, son of Walter and Mary DANIEL, b: 04 OCT 1767." [pg 226] Samuel COLEMAN "The next grant was to Edwin CONWAY for 1250 acres in Lancaster County, S. E. side Corotoman River ~ 1000 acre grant by two patents, one of 06 DEC 1652, in which he and his wife Martha are named as head-rights, and which states that Edwyn CONWAY had come to Virginia four times; and then one of 06 APR 1654, for 250 acres for five persons ~ William COLLINS, Edward BENNETT, Alice ELLIS, Ann ROBERTS and SAMUEL COLEMAN. >From Martha: The Caroline County portion says that Samuel DANIEL and Michael Brown ROBERTS were soldiers until discharged in 1758. Application date was 14 April 1780. hmmm.... the BROWN and ROBERTS names connected to the COLEMANs who had plenty of Samuels, and with both these surnames connected to the ASBURYs... and CONWAYs connected to the BALL/THORNTON/DANIELs who also connected to the ASBURYs. Hannah ASBURY who + Henning DANIEL was the daughter of Elizabeth THORNTON connected to the BALLs and WASHINGTONs.... and I'm thinking we've got about three different lines of DANIELs involved here... I keep thinking about Hugh DANIEL, bc: 1635/45 and his Mary BILLINGTON, who, I think, had a DARBY DANIEL.... then there was Reverend Billington SA(U)NDERS down in Georgia who connected to my families someplace ~ COLEMANs also connected to the SA(U)NDERS who connected to the THORNTONs too. Me think it possible some of the Middlesex DANIELs don't belong to their current assignments either.

Good Afternoon, My two bits. Almost all of this bunch you mention had one thing in common -- their descendants later migrated to KY, for the most part. Almost all of the folks in that middle area of VA were later, big time KY settlers. Even the folks in Augusta County, VA moved into TN, KY and not GA. Georgia, for the most part was settled by primarily by people from the "Southside" area of VA and various areas in NC and not families who had migrated to either TN or KY, because those folks generally moved on to places like OH, IL and IN, etc. That, is only a general rule and there were exceptions. The question is -- did some of their family go to KY and then come to GA? We know the O'DANIELS of Fairfax County, VA, which is a NE Virginia county, did come to SC but this was before the RW and not afterwards. Afterwards, things change. There were a few families of Orange, Albemarle, Fauquier, etc. and that general area of VA that did move south in NC and then into GA but they were the exception and not the rule. However, the closer you get to the northern and western areas of VA, the greater the chance they moved to TN, KY and points west and north of there. The primary migration path for these folks was always - "dead west" and this stays pretty consistent through the end of 19th Century. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] #4 ~ Robert DANIEL and the COLEMANs of MOBJACK BAY > GENERATIONS ~ > 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR and Elizabeth GRIZZELL > 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR and Anne SPILSBE > 3. Elizabeth COLEMAN and Daniel BROWN > 4. Anne BROWN, bc: 1705 ~ d: 1735 ~ Married 1722, to Samuel FARGESON, b: > 1698 ~ d: 1772, Essex County, VA ~ Son of John Fargeson and Anne STUBBLESON. ~ > In Feb 1722, Anne BROWN and Samuel FARGESON were given 100 acres in Essex Co. > VA by her father. 19 MAR 1728, Samuel Farguson served on an Essex County jury > with Benjamin Winslow, James Jones, Wm. Norvel, Benj. Reynolds, Jonathon > Jones, Rice Jones, Mark Boulware, David Scott, John Farguson, Thomas Hoard and > Anthony Samuel Jr. The case was Michael PEARSON against Andrew HARRISON > > 4.a. Francis FARGESON, d: before 21 JAN 1768, Culpeper County, VA [Will dtd > 17 DEC 1767; probated 21 JAN 1768 ~ Culpeper Co WB A 1749/70] ~ Married > Elizabeth PENDLETON > Children of Francis FARGESON and Elizabeth PENDLETON: > Benjamin FARGESON ~ d. before 18 MAR 1762, Culpeper Co. VA ~ Married Sarah > Ann UNKNOWN ~ They had a daughter Elizabeth who married William PENDLETON, b: > 1748 > Samuel FARGESON > Elizabeth FARGESON > Susanna FARGESON ~ Married Robert DANIEL > Anne FARGESON ~ Married Francis STROTHER > Lucy FARGESON ~ Married John GRAVES > Daughter FARGESON ~ Married John CLAYTON, son of Samuel CLAYTON, b: 1689 ~ d: > 1735, and Elizabeth PENDLETON, b: 1685 ~ d: 1761 > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

GENERATIONS ~ 1. Robert COLEMAN, SR and Elizabeth GRIZZELL 2. Robert COLEMAN, JR and Anne SPILSBE 3. Elizabeth COLEMAN and Daniel BROWN 4. Anne BROWN, bc: 1705 ~ d: 1735 ~ Married 1722, to Samuel FARGESON, b: 1698 ~ d: 1772, Essex County, VA ~ Son of John Fargeson and Anne STUBBLESON. ~ In Feb 1722, Anne BROWN and Samuel FARGESON were given 100 acres in Essex Co. VA by her father. 19 MAR 1728, Samuel Farguson served on an Essex County jury with Benjamin Winslow, James Jones, Wm. Norvel, Benj. Reynolds, Jonathon Jones, Rice Jones, Mark Boulware, David Scott, John Farguson, Thomas Hoard and Anthony Samuel Jr. The case was Michael PEARSON against Andrew HARRISON 4.a. Francis FARGESON, d: before 21 JAN 1768, Culpeper County, VA [Will dtd 17 DEC 1767; probated 21 JAN 1768 ~ Culpeper Co WB A 1749/70] ~ Married Elizabeth PENDLETON Children of Francis FARGESON and Elizabeth PENDLETON: Benjamin FARGESON ~ d. before 18 MAR 1762, Culpeper Co. VA ~ Married Sarah Ann UNKNOWN ~ They had a daughter Elizabeth who married William PENDLETON, b: 1748 Samuel FARGESON Elizabeth FARGESON Susanna FARGESON ~ Married Robert DANIEL Anne FARGESON ~ Married Francis STROTHER Lucy FARGESON ~ Married John GRAVES Daughter FARGESON ~ Married John CLAYTON, son of Samuel CLAYTON, b: 1689 ~ d: 1735, and Elizabeth PENDLETON, b: 1685 ~ d: 1761

II. JOHN, This is the DANIEL COLEMAN you asked about. Younger brother to Thomas COLEMAN, bc: 1652, [see #1 post] was Daniel COLEMAN, bc: 1662, Gloucester ~ d: before 07 JUN 1722, K&Q ~ His spouse was probably Unknown DARBY; this THEORY is based on the fact that Daniel and his wife named a son "Darby" Coleman, and… "Certificate is granted to Mr. Anthony Ellyott for the transportation of Steven DARBY to this Country…" [Lancaster County, VA Orders 1656~1666, pg 172]. This Steven also could have been Daniel COLEMAN's father-in-law, and reason his descendants were named Stephen, a name not commonly used by his COLEMAN siblings. In the will of Edward Coleman of Suffolk, England, there is mention of a cousin, Charles Ray. Then, in 1642, Thomas RAY was granted 300 acres on the Severne River for the transportation of himself and five other persons, one of them a Darby RAY. Thomas RAY was godfather to Robert COLEMAN and Elizabeth GRIZZELL's son, Thomas [bc: 1652]. The Severne River was entirely contained in what later became Abingdon Parish, Gloucester County, Virginia. It is established that Daniel COLEMAN and Samuel WILLIAMS, as joint tenants, acquired 600 acres of land on Hunting Creek in King William County, 23 OCT 1703. [Pat. book 9, page 549.] Then by grant, 06 JUN 1714, Daniel Coleman and John MADISON, as joint tenants, acquired 2000 acres of land in the forks of the Mattaponi River, lying in K&Q and King William Counties. [Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Beverly Fleet, pg 9] An affidavit of John WOOD was presented in the King William County Court, 07 JUN 1722, stating that John WOOD had divided the land owned by Daniel Coleman, then deceased, and Samuel Williams. The order recites that the affidavit was presented by Daniel Coleman, son of the deceased Daniel Coleman. [Virginia Colonial Abstracts by Beverly Fleet, pg 19] Known Children of Daniel COLEMAN, SR and Unknown DARBY: 1. Daniel COLEMAN, JR, bc: 1693/1705 ~ dc: 1769/70 ~ Married Patience ELLIOTT, her Will dtd: 18 JUL 1771 ~ admitted to probate 26 AUG 1771 [Cumberland County, VA Will book 2, pg 41] In addition to Patience's children, she mentioned the following grandchildren: William, Daniel, Giulimus and Parmens, sons of her son, Thomas COLEMAN, Gideon EDWARDS and Patience Terry SIMMS, and one great-grandson, Elliott G. COLEMAN. Daniel COLEMAN, JR appears to have lived in King William County until 1745, for by deed dated 28 MAY 1745, William HOLLADAY conveyed 400 acres of land in Goochland County to Daniel Coleman of King William county. [Goochland County, VA Deed book 5, pg 15] This tract was in that part of Goochland county, which became Cumberland in 1749. Daniel remained in this county until his death which occurred in late 1769 or early 1770, for his will dated 29 AUG 1763, was admitted to probate on 22 JAN 1770. The executors named in his will were his son Daniel, a grandson, William COLEMAN, and a son-in-law, Nathan GLEN. Cumberland County Will book 2, pg 4] Daniel devised his home place, consisting of 300 acres, to his grandson, William COLEMAN, and lands, which he owned in Halifax county, VA, to his grandson, Gideon EDWARDS. The remainder of his property was to be divided among his nine children. Children of Daniel COLEMAN JR and Patience ELLIOTT: {1} Daniel, III; {2} Thomas, married Elizabeth UNKNOWN; {3} James; {4} Anne, married Nehimiah GLEN; {5} Lucy, married Nathan GLEN; {6} Mary, married Mathew SIMMS; {7} Grizzell, married William EDWARDS; {8} Judith, married Unknown TURNER; {9} Sarah, married Unknown GUTHERIE or Guthery. 2. Elizabeth COLEMAN, bc: 1693/1705 ~ Married Henry MADISON, and has been identified as a daughter of Daniel Coleman and his wife, Miss DARBY. Henry Madison, bc: 1700, member of the House of Burgesses from King William County, VA 3. Darby COLEMAN, bc: 1693/1705, named one of his sons "Henry", also a name seldom used in the early Mobjack Bay Coleman family and reasonable to assume he named a son Henry for his brother-in-law, Henry MADISON 4. Samuel COLEMAN, bc: 1693/1705 ~ Married Anne Mourning CHRISTIAN 5. James COLEMAN, bc: 1693/1705 ~ Married, Spotsylvania County, VA, to Mary Eleanor MADISON, bc: 1700 ~ Daughter of John Madison, II and Isabella TODD. Essex County records for a James COLEMAN who was granted a license to keep an Ordinary in 1729 and 1730. His birth year would have been at least by 1708. The only known James Coleman of that approximate age was the one who married Eleanor Madison and was living in Spotsylvania County in 1732. Spotsylvania was formed in 1721 from Essex, K&Q and King William. It is very possible that the James Coleman in Essex County in 1729 and 1730 was the James of Spotsylvania Co. in 1732. In 1732, James COLEMAN was living next door to Ambrose MADISON, brother of Eleanor. His land was in that portion of Spotsylvania County which later became Orange County. The heirs mentioned in James' will were daughters Betty SCOTT and Mary HOLLAND, sons James and Ambrose, and a niece Mary Coleman ELLIS. A William ELLIS, in Orange Co. VA in 1756: "Accounts paid by William ELLIS, apparently the estate account of Thomas MARYE, to James MADISON, Edward COLEMAN, Nicholas JONES and Robert GAINES." After Mary Ellis was widowed, she married 03 Nov 1770, Amherst Co. VA, to widower John SORRELLS. [The Sorrells Family of the Shenandoah Valley of VA, by Dorothy L. Weaver, 1990 and Amherst Co. VA DB C~146] Mary Coleman 'Molly' Ellis, died after 1783, Nelson Co. VA [previously Amherst Co]. NOTE: Essex Co. Deeds pg 437, 21 SEP 1708. Edward ELLIS, mariner, now in Virginia, but forthwith intended on my voyage for England, appoint Francis Meriwether of Essex Co. my attorney to demand of Capt. Robert COLEMAN of Essex Co. the steel whip saw, box, tiller, set & file to the value of £5 sterling which I lent Coleman the beginning of this month & never received them again from him, and also the 8 water casks marked PA which I left on shore at Mr. Andrew Hardings landing. Signed, Edward Ellis, Wit: William Oliver, John Davis, Joseph Lodge. Proved 14 Sep 1711 by Joseph Lodge. NOTE: I have pointed out ELLIS and CLAYTON associations with the COLEMANs as I believe these are from the same that were in Rowan/Stokes areas of North Carolina with the DANIELs, my GLASSCOCKs and HENDRENs from North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co, VA who married into the ELLIS families. Also, the CLAYTONs and STOCKTONs supposedly go back to John STOCKTON, dc: 1643 who married Ellen CLAYTON; then from this same line, my 4-g Uncle Daniel STOCKTON, b: 1726, Jersey, married Mary CLAYTON and they too ended up in Rowen/Stokes with my 3-g grandfather, John NICHOLSON, whose mother was a STOCKTON with WHYTHEDE [or Whitehead] in her family tree, same as the COLEMANs.