Robert, I carry a few HOLLYS but they are a CT family that migrated westward into NY in the early 1800's.. There was a DANIEL family in Washington County, GA that had some northern roots (William DANIEL and Elizabeth SKINNER) but most DANIELS, that I know of, were all of Southern origins. I have looked for other DANIEL families that migrated south out of New England into VA, NC and GA but I have never found one. I do not carry the other names you listed in my 40K off PAF. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIELL, Elizabeth m. 1831 McALISTER, John, Pulaski County, GA > A non-lister and researcher from the DANLEY, HOLLY, McALISTER, SYFRETT lines is looking for help in identifying who were the parents of this Elizabeth DANIELL who m. in 1831 McALISTER, John, in Pulaski County, GA. Elizabeth was born 1813 in GA? Any help greatly appreciated. > > Robert > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

John, Remember you also found a Daniel family in MD. Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: John R. Clarke To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIELL, Elizabeth m. 1831 McALISTER, John, Pulaski County, GA Robert, I carry a few HOLLYS but they are a CT family that migrated westward into NY in the early 1800's.. There was a DANIEL family in Washington County, GA that had some northern roots (William DANIEL and Elizabeth SKINNER) but most DANIELS, that I know of, were all of Southern origins. I have looked for other DANIEL families that migrated south out of New England into VA, NC and GA but I have never found one. I do not carry the other names you listed in my 40K off PAF. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIELL, Elizabeth m. 1831 McALISTER, John, Pulaski County, GA > A non-lister and researcher from the DANLEY, HOLLY, McALISTER, SYFRETT lines is looking for help in identifying who were the parents of this Elizabeth DANIELL who m. in 1831 McALISTER, John, in Pulaski County, GA. Elizabeth was born 1813 in GA? Any help greatly appreciated. > > Robert > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message.

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Daniell To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: DANIELL, Elizabeth m. 1831 McALISTER, John, Pulaski County, GA A non-lister and researcher from the DANLEY, HOLLY, McALISTER, SYFRETT lines is looking for help in identifying who were the parents of this Elizabeth DANIELL who m. in 1831 McALISTER, John, in Pulaski County, GA. Elizabeth was born 1813 in GA? Any help greatly appreciated. Additonal information: John McALISTER was the s/o Charles McALISTER of Pulaski County. Robert

A non-lister and researcher from the DANLEY, HOLLY, McALISTER, SYFRETT lines is looking for help in identifying who were the parents of this Elizabeth DANIELL who m. in 1831 McALISTER, John, in Pulaski County, GA. Elizabeth was born 1813 in GA? Any help greatly appreciated. Robert

Good Morning, Does anyone have a DANIEL connection to a Jesse PIPKIN in the above counties in NC in the ~ 1800 time frame, thanks.... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

There is always the possibility that Spilsbe COLEMAN married to a DANIEL girl and she died before him and they both died w/o children. As I have told Payne, in a private post when he asked what I thought, I told him I thought it was William DANIEL who married Spilsbe's sister, but there is still the former possibility, at least until we get other information which would make it conclusive, one way or the other. RE: "I do subscribe to the theory that William and Elizabeth had issue Thomas and Charles that eventually end up in Greene Co., GA" Possibly, however I do not like that COFFEE connection to Charles DANIEL (1773-1800) if that was the case. Most show this Charles as a son of Thomas DANIEL (ABT 1740-1813). I do not know on this one but I tend to think, not..... FYI, that COFFEE connection to Charles DANIEL makes me think that Charles was out of the Cunningham-Daniel-Kelso (CDK) bunch or some other DANIEL line. His and Elizabeth COFFEE's kids, Dr. William Coffee DANIEL of Savannah and Smith Coffee DANIEL of Claiborne County, MS match the profile of this CDK bunch to a tee. I also know that Charles is a name that floats around the CUNNINGHAMS in Augusta County, VA. If you notice one thing about Charles's two boys, they spell their name DANIELL at every opportunity. And, Thomas DANIEL spells his DANIEL, as best I can tell. We are just missing something here and I do not know quite what it is. Regardless, I do not think Charles was the son of a wandering Baptist minister - not enough money, there. Unless, there was some money in this bunch I do not know about because Charles's sons, William Coffee DANIEL and Smith Coffee DANIEL had more than enough to go around and I do not think they got it all from the COFFEES. . I do think -- that Spislbe and Coleman names that floats around some of the Greene County, GA DANIEL bunch points right back to Spilsbe COLEMAN line of Spotsylvania County, VA. In that, we can agree. Now to sort out the rest of this mess in Greene County, GA. . John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Spilsbe COLEMAN - DANIEL connection > John, > > Agree with most of what you say in this post but will point out that most say > this Spilsbe died unmarried (see Annie Nettle's post #3 of 2/4/04) so that > leaves William DANIEL as marrying Spilsbe's sister and most seem to agree this > was Elizabeth COLEMAN. I do subscribe to the theory that William and Elizabeth > had issue Thomas and Charles that eventually end up in Greene Co., GA. What > I wrestle with is how Edmund and Eustace (or Eustis, Eustus, Hustis) fit into > this family; or do they at all? Edmund is becoming increasingly easy to pull > out of the mix as I accumulate more data; however Eustace remains a strong > candidate to be somehow related to Charles. > > I also think perhaps there was a James and that most probably he may have > been the father of James that married Grizelle CLEMENTS. The CLEMENTS, BURFORD'S > (Grizelle's Mom's folks, West's and DANIEL'S seemed to congregate early in > Greene Co. Greene however was a popular place to be migrated to so perhaps its > all coincidence. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

John, Agree with most of what you say in this post but will point out that most say this Spilsbe died unmarried (see Annie Nettle's post #3 of 2/4/04) so that leaves William DANIEL as marrying Spilsbe's sister and most seem to agree this was Elizabeth COLEMAN. I do subscribe to the theory that William and Elizabeth had issue Thomas and Charles that eventually end up in Greene Co., GA. What I wrestle with is how Edmund and Eustace (or Eustis, Eustus, Hustis) fit into this family; or do they at all? Edmund is becoming increasingly easy to pull out of the mix as I accumulate more data; however Eustace remains a strong candidate to be somehow related to Charles. I also think perhaps there was a James and that most probably he may have been the father of James that married Grizelle CLEMENTS. The CLEMENTS, BURFORD'S (Grizelle's Mom's folks, West's and DANIEL'S seemed to congregate early in Greene Co. Greene however was a popular place to be migrated to so perhaps its all coincidence.

jack, your right, kathy e.t.

I am forwarding this to the DANIEL list since it contains DANIELS in Green County, KY. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "D McMillen" <dtmc@bellsouth.net> To: <MCDANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: [McDANIEL] 1810 and 1820 Green Co KY McDANIEL Census > > Can anyone identify these people... > Thanks > Dixie > > 1810 Green Co KY Census:(for mcdaniel or similar) > > Page 250b; James DANIEL:1 male 16-26; 1 female 16-26 > > page 261 B; Nial McDONALD : 1 male over 46; 1 female 0-10; 1 female 26-45 > > page 245B:Wm McDANIEL: 1 male 16-26; 1 male over 46; female 10-16; > 1 female 26-45 > > page 249B John McDONALD: 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-16; 1 male over 46; 2 > females under 10; 1 female 10-16; 1 female 16-26; 1 female 26-45 > > 1820 Green Co Census for McDANIEL:(or similar) > > Page 66b: David McDANIEL ; 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-16; 1 male 18-26; 1 > male over 45; 1 Female 16-26 > > Page 54b; John McDANIEL ; 1 male under 10; 1 male 26-45; 1 female under 10; > I female over 45 > > Page 58b;Nely McDANIEL; 1 male over 45; 1 female 10-16; 1 female over 45 > > page 079b; William DANIEL ; 3 males under 10; 1 male 10-16; 1 male 16-18; > 1 male 18-26; 1 male over 45; 1 female 16-26; 1 female over 45 > > > > ==== MCDANIEL Mailing List ==== > USGENWEB SEARCH ARCHIVES > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

James, My bet, with that CALLOWAY name so visible in this family, is the McDONALD bunch you list came from southern PA and migrated through Augusta County, VA on the way to TN. Remember, one of the CALLOWAY boys was close personal friends with Col. Daniel BOONE and his wife, Becky BRYAN, a Quaker. I am pretty sure the LYNCH's were also in this little group because Col. Daniel LYNCH, or RW fame, was also from a Quaker family and I think his family went to the same church as the BRYANS. We know from history that BOONE had connections to NC, the Yadkin Valley area which I think is in the Guilford County, Anson, Rowan area. Anyway, these folks had ties to NC and bounced back and forth between there and VA and KY. I have looked closely at what I can find on this McDONALD, BOONE, CALLOWAY bunch because some McDONALDS became DANIELS and I already have the CALLOWAYS in my bunch, a slightly different line, though. I also know the DIBRELL family of Van Buren, Crawford County, AR were collateral with a McDONALD family and the DIBRELLS tie right into my DANIEL bunch in Morgan County, GA, through the PIERCES of Oxford, MS. The DIBRELLS were tied to the LEES in Buckingham County, VA and also to the SHREWSBURYS of Culpepper County, VA. I do not know which LEE family this was, though. However, if this was part of the Charles LEE family of Middlesex County, VA, then this would be a very interesting link. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Madison Daniel" <jdan@shreve.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL/McDANIEL Hardin County TN > Maybe of help to some list member. > > 1840 Census Civil District 6 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Ancestry > Image 45 > Daniel, James/Jones? 1 male 0/5, 1 male 10/15, 1 male 40/50 (James), 2 > females 0/5, 1 female 5/10, 1 female 10/15, 1 female 15/20, 1 female 30/40 > Total 9 2 in Ag > > 1840 Census Civil District 9 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Image 67 > McDaniel, James 1 male 20/30, 1 male 50/60, 1 female 10/15, 1 female 40/50 > > McDonald, Daniel same page as above is my maternal ancestor. > > 1840 Census Civil District 10 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Ancestry > Image 73 > McDaniel, Lucy/Susy? 1 male 10/15, 1 male 15/20, 1 male 20/30, 1 female > 15/20, 1 female 20/30, 1 female 50/60.Total 6 2 in Ag > > 1850 Census Civil District 8 Hardin County TN NA Roll M432_882 Ancestry > Image 219 House & Family 88 > Calloway DANIEL age 25 Farmer born TN > Caroline (Hutten?)age 22 F TN > Emily E age 7 F TN > Alsey C age 4 F TN > W. F. age 3 M TN > Thomas D 1/12M TN > Thomas D Hutten age 30 male Merchant born AL+Susan Brooks age 26 born > GA+Cynthia C age 5 born TN live in same house. > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Maybe of help to some list member. 1840 Census Civil District 6 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Ancestry Image 45 Daniel, James/Jones? 1 male 0/5, 1 male 10/15, 1 male 40/50 (James), 2 females 0/5, 1 female 5/10, 1 female 10/15, 1 female 15/20, 1 female 30/40 Total 9 2 in Ag 1840 Census Civil District 9 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Image 67 McDaniel, James 1 male 20/30, 1 male 50/60, 1 female 10/15, 1 female 40/50 McDonald, Daniel same page as above is my maternal ancestor. 1840 Census Civil District 10 Hardin County TN NA Roll M704_522 Ancestry Image 73 McDaniel, Lucy/Susy? 1 male 10/15, 1 male 15/20, 1 male 20/30, 1 female 15/20, 1 female 20/30, 1 female 50/60.Total 6 2 in Ag 1850 Census Civil District 8 Hardin County TN NA Roll M432_882 Ancestry Image 219 House & Family 88 Calloway DANIEL age 25 Farmer born TN Caroline (Hutten?)age 22 F TN Emily E age 7 F TN Alsey C age 4 F TN W. F. age 3 M TN Thomas D 1/12M TN Thomas D Hutten age 30 male Merchant born AL+Susan Brooks age 26 born GA+Cynthia C age 5 born TN live in same house.

Out of order John! I count unsolicited political statements made on a genealogical mailing list in about the same category as spam. Practice way you preach. Jack Daniel

Subject family located while searching for McDonald ancestors as follows: NA Roll M19_176 Ancestry Image 812 Robert/Roberts DANIEL Family 1 male 5/10 1 male 10/15 1 male 15/20 1 male 50/60 (Robert) 1 female 10/15 1 female 15/20 1 female 50/60 (Spouse?) slaves 1 male 20/25 female 0/10

Kitty, The only REDD I carry, not family that I know of, is that of a James Kelso REDD born 1803 who married Mary Elizabeth LEWIS born 1813 in Troup County, GA. Their daughter, Mary Lewis REDD (1837-1867) born in Troup County, GA married Calvin Evans JOHNSTON (1827-1901) of Madison, Morgan County, Ga in 1854. They lived in Columbus, Muscogee County, GA and are buried in Linwood Cemetery, there. Notice the KELSO connection to this REDD family..... Calvin was the son of Lancelot JOHNSTON, Esq. II (1790-1866) and a Margaret JONES of "Snow Hill" in Madison, Morgan County, GA. Lancelot JOHNSTON fits the profile of the KELSOS, who we know were tied to a DANIEL family of Greene County, GA - the Kelso, Cunningham, Daniel bunch out of PE County, VA. Calvin's sister, Elizabeth JOHNSTON (ABT 1825-BEF 1868) married Antoine POULLAIN II (1815-1900) of Lexington, Oglethorpe County, GA. Antoine also married Rebecca Louise LAMAR in 1868, the daughter of George Washington LAMAR and Sarah Walker HARKOW. These POULLAINS lived in Madison, Morgan County, GA. Any family tied to the POULLAINS, I am always interested in. Lancelot JOHNSTON was not "po" by any shape of one's imagination. This is a high-stepping family that only ties into the best of families, as were the POULLAINS. I do not think all of the information we see often listed for this Kelso-Cunningham-Daniel bunch in Greene County, GA is completely accurate. It's close, but no cigar. It would appear, they are missing some vital connections and may have others convoluted and commingled with other DANIELS of Greene County, GA. I think the Charles DANIELL (1773-1800) of Greene County, GA is probably a part of this Kelso, Cunningham, Daniel bunch of Greene County, GA. Matches their profile, married a COFFEE who we know are tied to this KCD bunch and generally fits in this family better than any other DANIEL family in Greene County, GA. . Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitty Kutchmark" <kutchmark@1st.net> To: <jclarke@rose.net> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: "Redd" > I read with interest all of your answers on this site. I have a question > for you lol: > My Daniel,Daniels families of PA and OH descend from one George Myers > who died in Monongahela, Washington Co., PA. Monongahela, Washington Co. > PA. George was married to a Mary Ann Redd. I have no other info on her. > Do we connect with the Redd mentioned. George had a son names Michael > "Auver" Myers the Indian Scout in Ohio. He was born in Winchester, VA. I > suspect his father (the above George) was also born in VA.My Daniels are > descended from these Myers. > Have you any info on this. You seem to be very well versed and I enjoy > reading your comments > Kitty Daniels Kutchmark > Toronto, OH, > > >

Good Morning, One thought on this 1757 will. The DAVENPORT name is generally associated with the McDONALD family and not a DANIEL name, at least, to my knowledge. We also know the McDONALDS were a big time Spotsylvania County, VA family. We also know several COLEMANS were on the same 1786 Religious Petition with William and Robert DANIEL in Orange County, VA. I wonder if these DANIEL boys were actually McDONALDS from Spotsylvania County, VA? More research is needed.... >>> Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 WILL BOOK B 1749-1759, page 10 COLEMAN, SPILSBE, Spotsylvania Co., d. Mar. 23, 1757, p. May 3, 1757. Wit. Wm. Davenport, Patterson Pulliam, Isaac Bradburn. Ex. brother, Thomas Coleman. Leg. brother-in-law, William Daniel; brother, Robert Coleman; brother John Coleman; brother, Richard Coleman. The lease bought of Zachary Taliaferro to be sold and proceeds distributed amongst the poor of this parish. To brother, Thomas Coleman, remainder of estate. (Page 311) >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, Some recent information has come to light from a COLEMAN researcher. This seems to indicate the Spilsbe-Daniel connection could well be from a DANIEL family out of Spotsylvania County, VA. This may also be the same DANIEL family we pick up, later, in Orange County, VA who some have associated with the family of Reuben DANIEL of that location. I do not know whether this is the correct assignment for these folks, though. I think the William DANIEL we find in Orange County, VA was the William DANIEL listed in the 1757 will of Spilsbe COLEMAN of Spotsylvania County, VA as his brother-in-law. I also think the Robert DANIEL we find with William DANIEL in Orange County, VA in 1786 was his son. That may also mean the Thomas DANIEL (ABT 1740-1813) who migrated to Greene County, GA was also a son of this William DANIEL because we know the family of Thomas DANIEL of Greene County, GA was tied to some COLEMANS and I think they are part of the same COLEMAN bunch from Spotsylvania County, VA. I would also assume Robert DANIEL was born in about the same time frame as Thomas DANIEL -- ABT the 1740/1750 time frame. What we know from this is a DANIEL girl married Spilsbe COLEMAN who died in 1757 and her brother was a William DANIEL who I think was the same William DANIEL we find in 1786 in Orange County, VA. The main reason I think these two Williams are the same is because we find TALLIFERROS on the Will of Spilsbe COLEMAN and on the 1786 Petition with William and Robert DANIEL of Orange County, VA. I do not know if this William DANIEL was related to Vivion and James DANIEL of Orange County, VA but William could have been a brother and these families merged in Orange County by 1786 because we do see some indication there "were around" many of the same families from the sparse deeds I have from Orange County, VA John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

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Hi, I have often wondered if the READ was REDD, you know how easy it was for early researchers to convolute these names. I am showing REDDS later tied to names that have KELSO in them, which is a name that points back to the CUNNINGHAM-DANIEL bunch out of Augusta and PE County, VA and later, GA. These REDDS were close to a lot of folks I watch pretty closely in the Morgan County, GA area -- the Lancelot JOHNSTON family. Dr. Lancelot JOHNSTON, MD (ABT 1748-1832) migrated from Ireland to Caswell County, NC and his descendants to Madison, Morgan County, GA and elsewhere. He married a RICE girl, d/o Thomas RICE and Jane MILLS of Hanover County, VA. My bet is the George WILLIAMSON has to be out of the John WILLIAMSON and Susannah Perry LOWE family of Buckingham County, VA, somewhere. His father was George WILLIAMSON. If so, his brother, cousin, was Micagah WILLIAMSON (1744-1796) who moved from Buckingham County, VA to Washington, Wilkes County, GA. Their daughter, Nancy WILLIAMSON, married GA Governor John CLARKE and I look at this family, closely, for the obvious reason. <grin> . Not to mention the Mrs. Sarah Williamson Bird LAMAR of Oxford, Newton County, GA in whose home in 1850, my step-great-grandfather, Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS of James Island, SC, lived in 1850. Her mother was Susannah WILLIAMSON, Nancy's sister and also a child of Micagah WILLIAMSON and Sarah GILLIAM. . <<< Oct. Court 1832 - Caswell Co, NC "The Execution of the foregoing last Will and Testament of Lancelott JOHNSTON desc. was dulely proved in open court by the oath of William BROWN one of the subscribing Witnesses thereto." Witness Jethro BROWN and Executors, Thomas HARRISON & James YANCEY are recorded as "dead". Court appointed John E. BROWN & Mary JOHNSTON as Administrators of Lancelott's Estate. Bond dated 8 Oct 1832 - Estate of Lancelot JOHNSTON signed by John E. BROWN, Mary JOHNSTON, John JOHNSTON, George WILLIAMSON, William BROWN and John COMER >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <JetPilotUSAF100@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL ~ ASBURY ~ COLEMAN ~ READ(E) > In a message dated 12/29/2003 7:47:57 PM Central Standard Time, > jclarke@rose.net writes: > > James Beverly DANIEL (1805-AFT 1853), son of James Chesley DANIEL and > > grandson of Chesley DANIEL and JWC married a Jane Eliza READ in 1832. This > > is the Middlesex bunch. > > > > John, maybe this Jane Eliza READ(E) was from George READ(E) line ~ at one > time, I had thought our Andrew READ(E) was in this line, but am now being told > no... they have Andrew born in 1696 Scotland... > >

Payne, Cherokee -- could be. There were some still left around in the mountains of north GA after the Trail of Tears. Half means his mother was full blooded, his daddy was full blooded or his daddy was half and his mother was half, all of which are real possibilities. I remember reading a story about a DANIEL family in the north GA area that had a son whose eye was knocked out by a horse. Have you heard that story? I do not remember where I read it -- it was years ago. Seems like there was a James DANIEL involved in the story and they were part Indian, as the story went. As I remember from the Hicky book on Morgan County, GA, the Cherokees from that area and the early locals got along pretty good, early. However, there were exceptions and there were some conflicts. By the 1820's the local militias had started to push these Cherokees out of the area and this would accelerate by the 30's when Andy Jackson moved them all out west. I know revisionists want to kick these early settlers for their treatment of the Indians but many of them treated their fellow man in exactly the same way. If they got in their way, look out for the steam roller, because if someone had something they wanted, they would get it, one way or another. Since many of these early Georgia settlers came from families of immense wealth and power in NC, SC and VA, the plight of the little man and Indian were further from their worries. It is no different, today, is it? Some things change and some things don't, do they? It has always been a conflict between the "haves and the have nots." In this case the Indians, they "had" but not for long. The same was the case for many "po folks," they "had" the land they had gotten from their RS war land grants, but not for long. There will always be the "screw-ee" and the "screw-or" and never the two shall meet, after the deeds are executed, because they live in totally different worlds. As Lincoln was supposedly once asked to provide a saying that would be true in all times, he responded, "and this, too, shall pass." And, it has passed and we live in an era where historians second guess these folks, based on ethical and moral standards of a completely different time. I guess it is all based on, which side of the fence you are on. If you are "po" and uneducated, then you want what you think your family was cheated out of. In other words, something for nothing. If you are rich and well educated, then you want to protect what you already have from these folks. So, this age old class conflict continues. The world is still anyone's apple and all they have to do is reach out, grab it and eat it. However, some of these folks want me to grow it, harvest it, hand it over to them and help them eat it. I am sorry, but that's just a little too much for my plebian genes to stomach...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIELs on Indian census, Reuben Daniel information > I would be interested in any connection this Reuben Daniel had with > Marmaduke and Nannie. I haven't seen one as of yet? > > BTW John, my wife's ggrandpa Lilton Johnson moved in a covered wagon with > his family from Gwinnett Co., Ga., or thereabouts, to Cleburne Co., Ala., in > 1878. He was 1/2 Native American so what tribe was he likely to represent. > We think Cherokee? > > Oh, morning all. Payne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Lomon" <vlomon@yahoo.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIELs on Indian census, Reuben Daniel information > > > > > > Cherokee Blood group > > > > 87. DELILAH6 WRIGHT (JENNIE5 CRITTENDEN, NANCY (NANNIE)4 DOWNING, MAJOR > JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN B.1) was born WFT Est. 1786-1814, and died WFT Est. > 1838-1900. She married REUBEN DANIEL WFT Est. 1807-1843. He was born Abt. > 1790 in South Carolina, and died WFT Est. 1837-1882. > > > > Notes for REUBEN DANIEL: > > > > 1860 Population Schedule, Going snake District shows: > > > > "273 DANIELS, Ruben 70 M S. Carolina Farmer" > > > > Children of DELILAH WRIGHT and REUBEN DANIEL are: > > > > i. SALLIE7 DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1827-1922; m. JOHN > SHEPHERD, WFT Est. 1827-1873; b. WFT Est. 1801-1838; d. WFT Est. 1827-1916. > > > > ii. JAMES W. DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1833-1919; m. > CATHERINE WOFFORD, WFT Est. 1833-1882; b. WFT Est. 1813-1856; d. WFT Est. > 1837-1937. > > > > iii. CAROLINE DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1831-1922; m. > SMITH (TWIN) THORNTON, WFT Est. 1831-1878; b. WFT Est. 1818-1838; d. WFT > Est. 1852-1924. > > > > Notes for SMITH (TWIN) THORNTON: > > > > Smith Thornton was judge of Illinois District in 1849. (Old Cherokee > Families, by Emmet Starr)A Smith Thornton appears on the Miller as follows: > > > > Smith (56) (26994) 1965 2967 1089 3/4 Vian, OK > > > > "Smith Thornton was judge of Illinois District in 1849." (Old Cherokee > Families, by Emmet Starr) > > > > iv. CARTER DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1831-1919; m. > CATHERINE BENGE, WFT Est. 1831-1877; b. WFT Est. 1810-1846; d. WFT Est. > 1831-1926. > > > > v. WILLIAM DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1831-1919; m. > CATHERINE BROWN, WFT Est. 1831-1877; b. WFT Est. 1810-1846; d. WFT Est. > 1831-1926. > > > > 172. vi. NANCY (NANNIE) CATHERINE DANIEL, b. January 12, 1835; d. December > 10, 1889. > > > > vii. ELIZA DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1840; d. WFT Est. 1816-1922. > > > > Notes for ELIZA DANIEL: > > > > Eliza Daniel died without having children > > > > 173. viii. ELIZABETH JANE DANIEL, b. WFT Est. 1811-1838; d. WFT Est. > 1862-1925. > > > > 88. CORNELIUS6 WRIGHT (JENNIE5 CRITTENDEN, NANCY (NANNIE)4 DOWNING, MAJOR > JOHN3, JOHN2, JOHN B.1) was born WFT Est. 1787-1830, and died WFT > > Est. 1857-1914. He married (1) HARRIETTE (HATTIE) O'BRYAN WFT Est. > 1813-1864. She was born WFT Est. 1800-1823, and died WFT Est. 1845-1911. He > married (2) ELIZABETH BUFFINGTON WFT Est. 1813-1870. She was born WFT Est. > 1812-1835, and died WFT Est. 1858-1924. > > > > Notes for CORNELIUS WRIGHT: > > > > 1860 Slave Schedule, Indian Lands West of Arkansas, Going Snake District, > Cherokee Nation: > > > > Cornelius Wright 18 slaves (8 male, 10 female) 5 slave houses > > > > Children of CORNELIUS WRIGHT and HARRIETTE O'BRYAN are: > > > > 174. i. MARTHA JANE7 WRIGHT, b. June 07, 1842; d. May 08, 1867. > > > > ii. NANNIE WRIGHT, b. WFT Est. 1815-1870; d. WFT Est. 1830-1949. > > > > Notes for NANNIE WRIGHT: > > > > Nannie Wright died without having children > > > > > > > > Martha Boggs <lmboggs@cox.net> wrote: For anyone who may be tracking > Cherokee ancestors named DANIEL. A census of > > Cherokees in Arkansas in 1860 gives these: > > DANIEL, J., age 45, born Kentucky, farmer of the Canadian Cherokee > > DANIELS, Ruben, age 70, born South Carolina, farmer of the Going Snake > > Cherokee > > DANIEL, Martha A., age 56, born South Carolina, housekeeper of the > Delaware > > Cherokee > > > > All these lived in Arkansas County, Arkansas. > > > > Martha > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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If you all have some interest in the Daniels and the Cherokees I have some stuff on my web site at paynedaniel.com Two Daniel Chiefs as a matter of fact. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIELs on Indian census > Mike, > I knew they were warlike, which is what I implied. Those ROBINSON boys > in Charlton County, GA were folks not to be messed with. If my grandfather > was an example -- most of them spoke softly, carried a big stick and were > tougher than nails. <grin> > As for the DANIELS tied to some of these Indian families. My guess is a > lot of them just took the name of a well-known family from the area they > came from and the DANIELS were a pretty well known family of eastern NC. > There was a lot of Anglicizing going on in those days. > This is probably why we have a lot of different DNA strains floating > around in the DANIEL family, some Irish, some English, some Scottish, some > French, some German, some probably of Native American ancestry and some from > only God knows where. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Runforf471@aol.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIELs on Indian census > > > As regards the Eastern NC Tuscarora Indians the following was included in > biographical sketches of Governor's of NC who lived in Bertie Co., NC > written by > John E. Tyler II: > > "The uprising of CARY (The CARY Rebellion 1710-1711) and his followers was > immediately followed by war, with the Tuscarora Indians and epidemics of > yellow > fever. Governor HYDE (Edward) fell victim to the fever and died September > 8th, 1712. Pending the appointment of a successor by the Lord Proprietors, > the > North Carolina Council chose an acting governor. Thus it was that Col. > Thomas > POLLOCK was elected to the Governorship, four days after the death of > Governor > HYDE. POLLOCK proved to be a man of force and decision. The war with the > Indians lasted well into his administration as governor. The Tuscarora tribe > was a > branch of the war like Iroquoian group. Lawson, our state’s first historian, > estimated their warriors at 1200, located in some fifteen Indian towns in > Eastern Carolina along the Roanoke, Pamlico and Nuese Rivers. Encroachment > by the > whites upon the lands adjacent to these rivers was the principal cause of > the > Tuscarora War. The population on the Bertie Peninsula and surrounding > territory, > however, did not suffer as severely as others, for the Tuscarora bands along > the Roanoke River remained neutral. This was due to the friendship and > influence of Governor Pollock with the Tuscarora chief, Thomas BLOUNT. As a > result > the morale of the people was restored to some extent when the colony was > facing > some of its darkest days." > > There are several stories about how "King Blount" of the Tuscaroras obtained > his English name but none proven to my knowledge. There were prominent > Blounts in Chowan and Bertie area at the time so its logical that he would > have > selected such a name. The English Blounts had ties to the POLLOCKS, WESTS, > WHITMELLS and others we see in early BERTIE. > > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >