Speaking of Jefferson County, AL. I have looked at the John LOVELESS and Martha DANIEL family of Jefferson County, AL very closely in the past. I have often wondered if this Martha DANIEL is the Martha I show in my DANIEL family of Burke County, GA, born 12 Mar 1812. These folks say their Martha was born 12 Jun 1812 but that is close enough. They also have four children whose given names match up with four of Martha's nine siblings - Martha, John, William and Nancy. I would have already made this assignment were it not for the fact the researcher for this LOVELESS family of Jefferson County, AL says their family was from England and the LOVELESS family of Edgefield, SC which is tied to my overall bunch was from Charles County, MD, according to MAY family researchers. Also, none of John and Martha's descendants tie into any of the known families that were collateral with my DANIEL bunch in Burke County, GA, which does nothing to help cement a relationship between my Martha DANIEL and their Martha DANIEL. I also could not match them up "profile wise" with my DANIEL bunch, which is why I have never made this assignment but it is still a possibility. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <chepultepec@webtv.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha Baylis > Joseph Harrison Daniel and Aletha Baylis are my ggg-grandparents. > > >From the 1850 Jefferson County, Alabama census, Joseph's father John B. > Daniel was 81, and born in Virginia. Aletha's parents are shown as > George L. Baylis, age 74, born in Virginia, and Martha, age 74, born in > South Carolina. > > Joseph (1817-1902) said he was born in South Carolina, and Aletha > (1817-1896) in Alabama. > > Joseph and Aletha Daniel were married about 1834 (from memory) in > Jefferson County, Alabama, where all their children were born. Joseph > was a farmer and homesteaded land. Children are: Nancy Bethanie, > Martha Elizabeth, William Robert, John Lewis, Susan Christina, and Sara > Rosaline. > > My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, born 8-15-1855, died 5-6-1899. > He married Dianah E. Woodard (11-8-1854 to 5-25-1922) on Dec. 25, 1870 > in Jefferson County, AL. They had 4 children: > Martha Evergreen (10-4-1871 to 1-10-1951), > William Joe (1-18-1874 to 7-26-1954), Nancy Elizabeth (1-6-1878 to > 7-13-1966) James F. Barnett (9-1890 to 10-13-1927). > > My great-grandmother Nancy Elizabeth Daniel married William Franklin > Sims (6-12-1861 to 4-3-1929) and had 7 children: Lonna Iola, William > Arthur, Albert Henry, Nanny Viola, Ethel Irene, Edyth Elizabeth, Pelham > Buford. > > Please email me directly if you want additional dates, locations, and > family history. > > Robin Nelson > Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Joseph Harrison Daniel and Aletha Baylis are my ggg-grandparents. >From the 1850 Jefferson County, Alabama census, Joseph's father John B. Daniel was 81, and born in Virginia. Aletha's parents are shown as George L. Baylis, age 74, born in Virginia, and Martha, age 74, born in South Carolina. Joseph (1817-1902) said he was born in South Carolina, and Aletha (1817-1896) in Alabama. Joseph and Aletha Daniel were married about 1834 (from memory) in Jefferson County, Alabama, where all their children were born. Joseph was a farmer and homesteaded land. Children are: Nancy Bethanie, Martha Elizabeth, William Robert, John Lewis, Susan Christina, and Sara Rosaline. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, born 8-15-1855, died 5-6-1899. He married Dianah E. Woodard (11-8-1854 to 5-25-1922) on Dec. 25, 1870 in Jefferson County, AL. They had 4 children: Martha Evergreen (10-4-1871 to 1-10-1951), William Joe (1-18-1874 to 7-26-1954), Nancy Elizabeth (1-6-1878 to 7-13-1966) James F. Barnett (9-1890 to 10-13-1927). My great-grandmother Nancy Elizabeth Daniel married William Franklin Sims (6-12-1861 to 4-3-1929) and had 7 children: Lonna Iola, William Arthur, Albert Henry, Nanny Viola, Ethel Irene, Edyth Elizabeth, Pelham Buford. Please email me directly if you want additional dates, locations, and family history. Robin Nelson Alabama

Martha, Speaking of ROBERTSON. There are ROBERTSONS around the MALCOLMS of Lincoln County, GA - James ROBERTSON, Jr. b. 1797 in NC and Nancy MALCOLM born 1799, d/o James MALCOLM, Sr. RS-VA and Nancy Sally GANNAWAY of later, Morgan County, Georgia. These MALCOLMS were originally from Buckingham County, VA. A lot of Morgan County, GA folks in this bunch..... However, the ROBERTSONS that caught my eye were the ones around the MERCERS. Rev. Silas MERCERS (1745-1796) daughter, Ann MERCER (1771-1852) married a William ROBERTSON (1771-1833) and they moved to Lincoln County, TN. Notice the name, Lincoln, again. Silas was the father of Rev. Jesse MERCER (1769-1841) of Penfield, Greene County, GA, so Anne was his younger sister. Anna and William's son, Gilbert Mercer ROBERTSON (1794-1872) married Matilda ANDREWS of Oglethorpe County, GA and my information says her parents, Alexander ANDREWS and Anne REDMOND, were originally from Essex County, VA. As you may know, the MERCERS were from Halifax District, Martin County, NC and before that, probably VA, at least Silas's wife, Dorcas GREEN, was from VA -- Stafford County, VA. Some of this MERCER bunch ended up in Henry County, AL which is the home of some of the CULVERS. The GA home of the CULVERS was Sparta, Hancock County, Ga and the son of Col. Isaac Franklin CULVER, CSA of Henry County, AL, Dr. Frank Pugh CULVER, DD married my 1C1R, Mary Lee WHITE (1874-1933) of Meridian, MS. Col. CULVER commanded the 6th AL during the CW and one of my great-grand uncles, Louis L. RENEAU (1834-1863), was killed in the 6th AL at Chancelorsville. We think Louis had married a PARKER girl, whose father, a Rev. James PARKER was a Methodist minister in the GA Conference. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Boggs" <lmboggs@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel > Robin, you are right about the Goodward being Woodward/Woodard. I > discovered that after I hit the send button. Thanks for the correction on > John Lewis. And John, I'm glad your Bayliss might help Robin. This is the > only one by that name in my files, so I couldn't be much help there. And if > Payne is reading this, is the Manoah ROBERTSON you quote on your website > related to the one who married Martha Elizabeth DANIEL, daughter of this > Joseph Harrison DANIEL and Aletha BAYLIS? I have looked for him in the 1870 > and 1880 censuses and can't find him. I did find a land record and a CW > service record. Also Jesse P. DANIEL married Milly or Millie ROBERTSON. Is > there a connection here? > > Robin, I look forward to getting your data on this collateral line to mine. > And, I'll send my data to you, if you want it. > > Martha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin [mailto:chepultepec@webtv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:11 AM > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel > > > Thank you, Martha Boggs. You have the right Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha > Baylis aka Letha; however, you have my gg-grandparents and some dates > incorrect. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, rather than John > Lucas. He was born August 18, 1855 in Jefferson County, Alabama, and > died May 6, 1899 in Chepultepec (between Oneonta and Allgood), Blount > County, AL. John Lewis Daniel married Dianah E. Woodard, rather than > Diana Goodward, on Christmas Day, 1870, in Jefferson County, Alabama. > > I will post this family later. > Martha, I will email you directly. > And thank you, John. Your Baylis listing might be mine. > > After several years, it's such a pleasure to finally have another > researcher actually recognize this family. Thank you very much for this > day. > > Robin Nelson > Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Sorry, I have no clue about Manoah. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Boggs" <lmboggs@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel > Robin, you are right about the Goodward being Woodward/Woodard. I > discovered that after I hit the send button. Thanks for the correction on > John Lewis. And John, I'm glad your Bayliss might help Robin. This is the > only one by that name in my files, so I couldn't be much help there. And if > Payne is reading this, is the Manoah ROBERTSON you quote on your website > related to the one who married Martha Elizabeth DANIEL, daughter of this > Joseph Harrison DANIEL and Aletha BAYLIS? I have looked for him in the 1870 > and 1880 censuses and can't find him. I did find a land record and a CW > service record. Also Jesse P. DANIEL married Milly or Millie ROBERTSON. Is > there a connection here? > > Robin, I look forward to getting your data on this collateral line to mine. > And, I'll send my data to you, if you want it. > > Martha > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin [mailto:chepultepec@webtv.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:11 AM > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel > > > Thank you, Martha Boggs. You have the right Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha > Baylis aka Letha; however, you have my gg-grandparents and some dates > incorrect. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, rather than John > Lucas. He was born August 18, 1855 in Jefferson County, Alabama, and > died May 6, 1899 in Chepultepec (between Oneonta and Allgood), Blount > County, AL. John Lewis Daniel married Dianah E. Woodard, rather than > Diana Goodward, on Christmas Day, 1870, in Jefferson County, Alabama. > > I will post this family later. > Martha, I will email you directly. > And thank you, John. Your Baylis listing might be mine. > > After several years, it's such a pleasure to finally have another > researcher actually recognize this family. Thank you very much for this > day. > > Robin Nelson > Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. > >

Robin, you are right about the Goodward being Woodward/Woodard. I discovered that after I hit the send button. Thanks for the correction on John Lewis. And John, I'm glad your Bayliss might help Robin. This is the only one by that name in my files, so I couldn't be much help there. And if Payne is reading this, is the Manoah ROBERTSON you quote on your website related to the one who married Martha Elizabeth DANIEL, daughter of this Joseph Harrison DANIEL and Aletha BAYLIS? I have looked for him in the 1870 and 1880 censuses and can't find him. I did find a land record and a CW service record. Also Jesse P. DANIEL married Milly or Millie ROBERTSON. Is there a connection here? Robin, I look forward to getting your data on this collateral line to mine. And, I'll send my data to you, if you want it. Martha -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:chepultepec@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:11 AM To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel Thank you, Martha Boggs. You have the right Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha Baylis aka Letha; however, you have my gg-grandparents and some dates incorrect. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, rather than John Lucas. He was born August 18, 1855 in Jefferson County, Alabama, and died May 6, 1899 in Chepultepec (between Oneonta and Allgood), Blount County, AL. John Lewis Daniel married Dianah E. Woodard, rather than Diana Goodward, on Christmas Day, 1870, in Jefferson County, Alabama. I will post this family later. Martha, I will email you directly. And thank you, John. Your Baylis listing might be mine. After several years, it's such a pleasure to finally have another researcher actually recognize this family. Thank you very much for this day. Robin Nelson Alabama ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.

Morning all. Annie since your shared your fine research with the list I thought I might respond to all so that any inconsistencies in the references you bring up may be looked at. Specifically Judge Hayden's work. I am sure that he leaves out an entire generation in his charts. I appreciate your effort to help us better understand these issues. The Visitation as quoted below has errors in both paragraphs and as I suggested before they, the Visitations, are not well received by English Daniell Researchers. > This paper signed 08 APL 1665, also shows, [Visitation of 1664] that William DANIEL of Wigan was the son of Peter DANIEL, a Captaine of foote in the Army of his late Majestie King Charles the first anno 1643 ~ his siblings were {2} Henry; {3} Richard; {4} Robert; {5} Thomas; {6} John; No {7} and {8} Thomas DANIELL, a Lieutenant in the late Kings Army, slayne at Bruinsford anno 1662 who married Alice SMITH and left son Peter DANIEL, living in 1666. These were children of Peter DANIELL, of Tabley Co. Cest. and his spouse Sarah WILCOCKS, daughter of Richard, Esq.> ...The above children were the children of Peter Daniell II and Christian Grosvenor, and Sarah Wilcocks was the wife of Peter Daniell III ~ This would be the Peter Daniell who was a Captaine of Foote in the Army of his late Majestic King, Charles the first Anno. 1643. Peter Daniel with wife?_________ have been reported to be the parents of William Daniel of Wigan and 7 siblings listed in "The Chetham Society Publication, Volume 97" but this Peter would more likely be one of the siblings. This would be due to age, he and Col. William are only about 10 years apart. Peter was killed on King Charles side l' 1643. `````````````````````````````````````````````````` > Visitations of Lancashire,1623 ~ Crest: an UNICORN'S HEAD, etc. Thomas DANIEL of Om., Tabley in Com. Pal. Cestriae, 13 Edw IV (1747) married Blanch, daughter of Piers WARBURTON and they had Piers DANIEL who married Juliana NEWTON. And they had: {1} Thomas DANIEL who married Alice FFOULK, of Chester. and had Peter, b: 1561 of Tabley Co. Cest. Esq. who married Anne MAINWARING. {2} William DANIEL who married first a daughter of Christopher SECONDARY of the court; and married secondly his MAID, then one of these ladies had William DANIEL, JR. [and whom I'm guessing was probably born well before 1600.] < ...{1}Thomas Daniel the son of Piers Daniell and Julian Newton married Margaret Wilbraham, and I am not aware of an Alice FFOULK being in the mix. Thomas Daniell of Over Tabley (Peter Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Daniell , Thomas Danyers Senior , William Danyers Senior , Thomas Danyers , Robert ) was born on 3 Jun 1503. He died on 2 Jun 1551. ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > NOTE: [pg 294] James DANIEL was ordered by the vestry of Middlesex Parish to procession the land 1724 and 1726. He was therefore a member of the vestry. In 1747, James DANIEL succeeded William DANIEL in the vestry. In 1751 he again processioned the land. [Is this the same William DANIEL who was a member of the vestry back in JUN 1684? Whoa!]< ...This James Daniel is the son of James Daniel and Margaret Vivion and the William you suggest was already dead in 1751. James married Mary Killingham and they had a son William but he was too young to be the other William. > 5.+ William, b: 1710/14 (?) ~ m. Elizabeth WATKINS Woodson < ...It is my belief that this William was the son of John Daniell Jr., and UNK. This will raise the hackles of one or two folks but this is my assignment based on Cumberland County Records. This by the way is the only significant child listed as the issue of James and Margaret Vivion Daniel that has NO baptismal date shown, why, he wasn't in the Register. > 7. John, b: 19 JAN 1721 ~ b: 18 FEB 1721 ~ m. (?) ...... Elizabeth MORTON ...I think that John married Susannah Roane because Elizabeth Morton married John Minor Daniel in 1772. A lot of this stuff is open to debate so it doesn't hurt to visit these families every now and then. May I further suggest that you go to my web page and click on "Sites to Vist" and go to the Daniel/Daniell/Danyl link. http://www.troy.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Also there is a link to the Daniells of Mass which is a very fine look at those folks. http://paynedaniel.com/ Further, there is absolutely no proof to the claim that William Daniel of Middlesex Co., Va., was a member of the De Tabley/Lancashire/Cheshire Daniells. FTM incorrectly makes such an assumption. I could go on! Wordy today, aren't I? As usual correct me where I err, but bring your facts. Payne "If a net is not cast on the water, no bounty will be harvested" TOC

Robin, All I can tell you about the RENEAUS is they were from Manikin Township, Henrico County, VA, early, and later they were located in northern VA -- PW County, VA area. Sometime around the time of the RW they kind of split up, part went over into PA and part went south into TN after the RW. The line that went north into the Ohio Territory became RENO and the part that came south kept the original spelling, RENEAU. Wilson County, TN was a hot spots for the RENEAUS, later Jefferson and Sevier County, TN. Known collaterals, including my DANIEL bunch from Jefferson County, GA, were the SEVIERS, RAMSEYS, NORRIS (some say MORRIS), FLEMING, ALEXANDER and CHRISTIAN - Augusta County, VA area. The ALDERMANS, CARLTONS and CHASTAINS were also collateral with the RENEAUS in Thomas County, GA. There was also a RENEAU bunch in Twiggs County, GA but they were not of my direct line, but still family... I have often considered the LEWIS as a possible, especially the James Lewis DANIEL I see floating around, but I have never been able to draw any connections but I know the Lewis name was a big time name in my overall bunch from Burke and Jefferson County, GA. The one thing I think is a real possibility -- they were in Morgan County, GA, early. The only names I can connect there are TARVER, JORDAN, WADSWORTH, WYSE/WISE, MURPHEY, GREEN, (FLANDERS, FLOURNOY or FLOURANCE) and COLLINS with RAIFORD, MARSHALL, QUINNEY, MOYE as other possibilities. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <chepultepec@webtv.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Alabama Daniel > Thank you, Martha Boggs. You have the right Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha > Baylis aka Letha; however, you have my gg-grandparents and some dates > incorrect. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, rather than John > Lucas. He was born August 18, 1855 in Jefferson County, Alabama, and > died May 6, 1899 in Chepultepec (between Oneonta and Allgood), Blount > County, AL. John Lewis Daniel married Dianah E. Woodard, rather than > Diana Goodward, on Christmas Day, 1870, in Jefferson County, Alabama. > > I will post this family later. > Martha, I will email you directly. > And thank you, John. Your Baylis listing might be mine. > > After several years, it's such a pleasure to finally have another > researcher actually recognize this family. Thank you very much for this > day. > > Robin Nelson > Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. > >

Thank you, Martha Boggs. You have the right Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha Baylis aka Letha; however, you have my gg-grandparents and some dates incorrect. My gg-grandfather is John Lewis Daniel, rather than John Lucas. He was born August 18, 1855 in Jefferson County, Alabama, and died May 6, 1899 in Chepultepec (between Oneonta and Allgood), Blount County, AL. John Lewis Daniel married Dianah E. Woodard, rather than Diana Goodward, on Christmas Day, 1870, in Jefferson County, Alabama. I will post this family later. Martha, I will email you directly. And thank you, John. Your Baylis listing might be mine. After several years, it's such a pleasure to finally have another researcher actually recognize this family. Thank you very much for this day. Robin Nelson Alabama

Martha, I am not a BAYLISS researcher but I do have a BAYLISS connection in my bunch out of Manassas, Prince William County, VA if it helps. Francis RENEAU (1719-1794), my 5th GGU, married an Elizabeth BAYLISS BEF 1745, probably in PW County, VA. This would also seem to match with the HARRISONS who I think were of that same general area, a few of which moved into the Ohio Territory, later, as did some of these RENEAUS. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Boggs" <lmboggs@cox.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Alabama Daniel > Robin, I have these as descendants of Joseph Harrison DANIEL (1817-1902) and > Aletha BAYLIS (1817-1896). Children were Nancy Bethanie, 1839-1906, married > James HILYARD; Mary C. born 1840; Martha Elizabeth 1842-1920, married Manoah > ROBERTSON; William Robert 1845-1859; John Lucas, b. 1851, married Diana > GOODWARD; Susan Christina, b. 1855; Sarah Rosaline 1855-1930, married Evan > Peter REED. I have descendants for some of these, especially the REEDs. If > these are the ones you are looking for, I can send more. > > If anyone on the list finds errors here, please let me know. > > Martha Boggs > Texas > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin [mailto:chepultepec@webtv.net] > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:17 AM > To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Alabama Daniel > > > Looking for descendants of Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha "Letha" Baylis > who lived in Jefferson County, Alabama between 1850 and 1880. > > Robin Nelson > Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Robin, I have these as descendants of Joseph Harrison DANIEL (1817-1902) and Aletha BAYLIS (1817-1896). Children were Nancy Bethanie, 1839-1906, married James HILYARD; Mary C. born 1840; Martha Elizabeth 1842-1920, married Manoah ROBERTSON; William Robert 1845-1859; John Lucas, b. 1851, married Diana GOODWARD; Susan Christina, b. 1855; Sarah Rosaline 1855-1930, married Evan Peter REED. I have descendants for some of these, especially the REEDs. If these are the ones you are looking for, I can send more. If anyone on the list finds errors here, please let me know. Martha Boggs Texas -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:chepultepec@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:17 AM To: DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DANIEL-L] Alabama Daniel Looking for descendants of Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha "Letha" Baylis who lived in Jefferson County, Alabama between 1850 and 1880. Robin Nelson Alabama ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.

Looking for descendants of Joseph H. Daniel and Aletha "Letha" Baylis who lived in Jefferson County, Alabama between 1850 and 1880. Robin Nelson Alabama

Thank you for your reply, our line of Edward Daniel probably connects to the Brunswick county , VA. bunch as well. We have no diffinate proof that John Daniel Sr. was the son of Edward Daniel, but he supposedly died in 1794, Henry county, VA. If I remember correctly and don't hold me to this. John Daniel Sr. was married twice, once to Elizabeth Marmaduke and then to Sarah Witherspoon. Also, John Daniel Sr. had a daughter named Martha Daniel who married Edward Tatum, he to was located in Grainger county, Tn. At one point he was made administer over a James or John Daniel desceased claiming to be next of kin. But another Daniel family member protested this. The Tatum and Daniel connections shouldn't be over looked I don't think. Also Edward and widow Daniel are mentioned as well in Henry county, but it's not specific enough for concrete proof. Perhaps one of these days we will all figure out this brick wall we are all at. "Dennis T. Daniel" <djdaniel@fuse.net> wrote:Thomas, James, Wyatt and Spilsby( who appears later) are part of my family. Who they connect to is still a mystery. Marmaduke is from the Brunswick line via Chatham County, N.C. You can find records for Richard and Hugh Daniel (also part of the Brunswick to Chatham Cty. N.C group) when Russell Cty. is created from Washington. Richard was the executor of Hugh's will in Russell and he later moved to Sullivan Cty. Va. Richard can be found signing deeds with both Marmaduke and Marmaduke Jr.(could be the same man) in Sullivan Cty. Tn. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Marmaduke, Thomas, James and Hyatt Daniel 1782, Washington county, VA. > Does anyone on the list happen to know anything about these fellows mentioned above in Washington county, VA. 1782? Which Daniel family do they belong to? > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe Click on the following link and your message is ready to send Mail Mode: mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe or- Digest Mode: mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Thomas, James, Wyatt and Spilsby( who appears later) are part of my family. Who they connect to is still a mystery. Marmaduke is from the Brunswick line via Chatham County, N.C. You can find records for Richard and Hugh Daniel (also part of the Brunswick to Chatham Cty. N.C group) when Russell Cty. is created from Washington. Richard was the executor of Hugh's will in Russell and he later moved to Sullivan Cty. Va. Richard can be found signing deeds with both Marmaduke and Marmaduke Jr.(could be the same man) in Sullivan Cty. Tn. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" <vlomon@yahoo.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Marmaduke, Thomas, James and Hyatt Daniel 1782, Washington county, VA. > Does anyone on the list happen to know anything about these fellows mentioned above in Washington county, VA. 1782? Which Daniel family do they belong to? > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Does anyone on the list happen to know anything about these fellows mentioned above in Washington county, VA. 1782? Which Daniel family do they belong to?

Mike, I do not know how I got him linked to Peyton's family but it must have been from somebody. I have Jesse born 14 April 1760 in Goochland County, VA and died 1 Nov 1819 in Putnam County, GA. His wife, Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN was born 22 Feb 1764, also in Goochland but I do carry that 25 Feb 1787 marriage in Amherst County, VA marriage date for them. I do not have a lot on Peyton and what I have is listed below. Maybe we can straighten out some of the DANIELS by straightening out these CLEMENTS and COLEMANS. The COLEMANS that are related to my bunch are the Eden COLEMAN and Nancy Ann DANIEL bunch of Greene County, GA. Eden was supposedly the son of Daniel COLEMAN, Sr. and a Unity CARROLL of VA and later, Warren County, NC. Into Eden's bunch are the DANIELS, RANDALS and PALMERS. There is a lot of confusion about these COLEMANS of Greene County, GA. Some say that Eden was a son of a Robert COLEMAN and Sarah Ann SAUNDERS. I have one will in which Eden is included (below) before those for Peyton CLEMENTS. Note also the RAMSEY name listed on one of these deeds. I am also a RAMSEY descendant and they were from the Upper Neck Area of VA and tie into my RENEAU family who migrated into TN. Notice also the CARLTON name tied to this bunch. One of my RENEAU GGU's married a CHASTAIN, d/o a CARLTON and the CARLTONS end up in both Morgan County, GA and Thomas County, GA -- all the same family. There is a big K. in the CARLTON family and I think it stands for KELSO. I think Thomas DANIEL of Greene is in some way related to the KDC bunch that migrated south to Greene County, GA because the CARLTONS were an integral part of this Kelso-Daniel-Cunningham migration, along with the COFFEES. My notes on Eden COLEMAN: <<< The abstracts of the 1790 tax returns for Wilkes Co., GA show Eden Coleman living in Captain Bennett's district and owning two slaves. This district is shown to slightly NW of the Kettle Creek area. Grant Book AAAA, pg 9 shows a grant for 930 acres in 1793 to Eden Coleman in Franklin Co., Georgia Greene Co., Deed Book F pg. 286-288 Samuel Ramsey and wife Peggy of Edgefield, South Carolina to Eden Coleman of Greene Co., Georgia for 134 pounds, 3 shillings 4 pence sterling 287 1/2 acres in Greene, formerly Washington Co., bound on the west by William Ramsey. 1806 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 357 acres Carlton's District 1807 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 35? acres Carlton's District 1808 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 352 1/2 acres Carlton's District 1809 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 362 1/2 acres Carlton's District 1810 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 35? acres Dawson's District 1811 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 357 acres Dawson's District 1812 - Greene Co., Georgia Tax Digest - 357 1/2 acres Dawson's District Greene Co., Will Book 1817-1842 Page 1 In the name of God Amen, I , Eden Coleman of the State of Georgia and County ? (aforesaid), being sick and expecting to die, to make and ordain ? (this) to be my last will and testament. 1st - I will that each of my dear children receive at the end of the... of my estate twwo hundred dollars. 2nd - I will that the whole of my estate... live legacy of two hundred dollars remain in the hands and be at the use ... (of) my beloved wife Nancy Coleman. 3rd - I appoint and constitute my beloved wife Nancy Coleman sole executor of this my last will and testament ordained and made... (this) tenth day of Septemeber in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred... (and) sixteen. In witness whereof I hereunto affix my name. E. Coleman Witness: Lovick Pierce Alexander Cunn William Frettwell Notes on Peyton CLEMENTS: <<< I have a Peyton Clements b. about 1715 in Virginia. "He lived in Granville, North Carolina. He was first married about 1736, but the name of his wife is unknown. By this marriage two children were born: 1. , ca 1750 d. 8/?/1816 Putnam Co., Ga. m. Anna? b. 1750 d.1833. 2. William b. ca 1751 d. 3/?/1824 m. Elizabeth Daniels,3/15/1778 b. 1765 Orange Co., NC d. 2/13/1847, Orange Co., NC dau. of Woodson and Nancy Daniels. After the death of his first wife, Payton married Elizabeth Buford about 1752. She was born about 1733. They were the parents of fou rchildren: 3. Phillip b. 1754 m. Elizabeth Howell, Co., Ga. 4. Tyree b. 1756, me. Elizabeth West, dau. of Francis and Christian West, prior to 1783 in NC 5. Grissell "Gussie" b. ca 1758 m. James Daniel 12/21/1789, Greene Co., Ga., son of James Daniel 6. Jesse b. 1761 d. 11/1/1819 in Putnam Co., Ga. m. Mary Elizabeth Colemen, ca 1775 Peyton Clements made his will on October 10, 1773, and he died on November 20, 1774, in Granville County, North Carolina. After the death of Peyton Clements, his widow married James Comer on October 4, 1779, in Granville County, North Carolina. After marriage, the Clements and Buford families moved to Georgia. Elizabeth(Buford) Clements Comer moved to Jones County, Georgia. Most of the children except for William, lived in Putnam County and Greene County. It is not known when Elizabeth Comer died." This information came for an article in the Huxford GenealogySociety Magazine Vol. #25 No. 4 Dec. 1998. Similar information is from Ancestry.com Gene Pool IndividualRecords. The information on Peyton Clements will came from North Carolina Will Abstracts 1760-1800. The No. Carolina Wills [p. 126] C page 124 Since there appears to be a connection I thought I would get in touch. I hope this has been helpful to you. Should you have anything further you'd like to share please get in touch. Good Hunting! Sherry Cooper Greene County, GA marriages: Clements, Hannah Clements, Aaron 27 Jun 1796 GA Greene Clemonts, Grezil Daniel, James 21 Dec 1789 GA Greene >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Virginia Roots > John, > > I did some searching on this and it appears that many Coleman researchers do > reflect Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN m. Jesse CLEMENTS but they identify Jesse as > the son of William Right CLEMENTS not Peyton. The marriage between Jesse and > Mary was listed as 25 FEB 1787 in AMHERST CO. VA and I suspect Jesse, son of > Peyton was in GA. about this time. The only researcher I located that > identified Jesse as son of Peyton coincidently is the one that identifies the father of > James that married Grizzell CLEMENTS as James. > > Appears to me this marriage has nothing to do with James DANIEL, who m. > Grizzell CLEMENTS, having a father James. > > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

John, I did some searching on this and it appears that many Coleman researchers do reflect Mary Elizabeth COLEMAN m. Jesse CLEMENTS but they identify Jesse as the son of William Right CLEMENTS not Peyton. The marriage between Jesse and Mary was listed as 25 FEB 1787 in AMHERST CO. VA and I suspect Jesse, son of Peyton was in GA. about this time. The only researcher I located that identified Jesse as son of Peyton coincidently is the one that identifies the father of James that married Grizzell CLEMENTS as James. Appears to me this marriage has nothing to do with James DANIEL, who m. Grizzell CLEMENTS, having a father James. Mike Daniel

William Daniel of Wigan was the son of Peter Daniel II and Christian Grosvenor of Over Tabley, England. Sos we won't bore the rest of the list I will answer your most recent message one on one. I will copy anyone interested in this stuff. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] For the Record > In a message dated 2/27/2004 10:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, > gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > What does "aet. 40, anno, > > 08 APL 1665" mean after William DANIEL of Wigan, County Lancaster, England? > > Well, I went back and looked... duh me... didn't think I did, but left > something off. This paper was also signed 08 APL 1665 by William DANIEL. I see now > that appears he was age 40 on this date, so not necessarily his birthdate. > Then, son William, JR, on the same date was/would have been age 14, thus bc: > 1651; and son Henry was/would have been 18 and thus bc: 1647. > > This paper signed 08 APL 1665, also shows, [Visitation of 1664] that William > DANIEL of Wigan was the son of Peter DANIEL, a Captaine of foote in the Army > of his late Majestie King Charles the first anno 1643 ~ his siblings were {2} > Henry; {3} Richard; {4} Robert; {5} Thomas; {6} John; No {7} and {8} > Thomas DANIELL, a Lieutenant in the late Kings Army, slayne at Bruinsford anno > 1662 who married Alice SMITH and left son Peter DANIEL, living in 1666. These > were children of Peter DANIELL, of Tabley Co. Cest. and his spouse Sarah > WILCOCKS, daughter of Richard, Esq. > `````````````````````````````````````````````````` > `````````````````````````````````````````````````` > Visitations of Lancashire,1623 ~ Crest: an UNICORN'S HEAD, etc. > Thomas DANIEL of Om., Tabley in Com. Pal. Cestriae, 13 Edw IV (1747) married > Blanch, daughter of Piers WARBURTON and they had Piers DANIEL who married > Juliana NEWTON. And they had: {1} Thomas DANIEL who married Alice FFOULK, of > Chester. and had Peter, b: 1561 of Tabley Co. Cest. Esq. who married Anne > MAINWARING. {2} William DANIEL who married first a daughter of Christopher > SECONDARY of the court; and married secondly his MAID, then one of these ladies had > William DANIEL, JR. [and whom I'm guessing was probably born well before 1600.] > ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > The Will you mentioned of William DANIEL who named his son James, is > abstracted here in the book AND adjacent to the DANIEL Chapter which leads a novice, > of these particular DANIELs, to believe or question.... > > I have no lineage interest in any of these DANIELs... merely trying to get > them all straight in me ole cranium. Thanks for the clarification on William > and James... and, like I said this book is difficult to follow, not counting the > small print... think it was written by a Philadelphia Lawyer. > `````````````````````````````````````````` > Are you sure the Parish Register of Christ Church, Middlesex Co, Va. from > 1653 to 1812 doesn't mention a son James? [see below] > > Those marriages on page 330 that I listed, are probably only the ones HAYDEN > couldn't connect. Ah ha... pg 294 ~ The DANIEL "disjecta membra"... [told > you he was a lawyer] ...given from the church records, at the end of this Daniel > line, will show the difficulty of constructing a legitimate pedigree from any > one of the early settlers of the name. ~ [And, that be those on pg 330] > > I did find another "stray" Middlesex Parish marriage: > Margaret DANIEL and Henry WARE on 15 AUG 1711 > `````````````````````````````````````````` > I have Eustace unassigned. He is not Edmund!! > Agreed!!! > `````````````````````````````````````````` > Here's exactly what HAYDEN wrote about James, as to dates ~ I know, Payne, > you probably already have... pg 294/95 > > 1. James DANIEL of Middlesex County, Virginia, bc: 1680 ~ d:....... ~ > Married 27 JAN 1704, to Margaret VIVIAN, b:...... ~ d: 05 MAY 1727, daughter of John > and Margaret VIVIAN of same county. [lists the VIVIAN children, etc. in > footnote] > > NOTE: [pg 294] James DANIEL was ordered by the vestry of Middlesex Parish to > procession the land 1724 and 1726. He was therefore a member of the vestry. > In 1747, James DANIEL succeeded William DANIEL in the vestry. In 1751 he > again processioned the land. [Is this the same William DANIEL who was a member > of the vestry back in JUN 1684? Whoa!] > > Children of James DANIEL and Margaret VIVIAN [M.R. except No. 5.] > 2. Rachel, b: 14 OCT 1704 ~ baptized: 15 NOV 1704 ~ m. 14 NOV 1722, > Thomas AMIS or ARNIS, gent. > > 3.+ Peter, b: 1706 ~ baptized 29 SEP 1706 ~ m. .........., Sarah TRAVERS > Pierson, widow of Captain Christopher PIERSON. > > 4.+ CHARLES, b: 1708/09 ~ baptized 06 MAR 1708/09 ~ m. 1732/33, Jane > MICKELBOROUGH > > 5.+ William, b: 1710/14 (?) ~ m. Elizabeth WATKINS Woodson > 6.+ James, b: 17 FEB 1716 ~ baptized: 17 MAR 1716 ~ m. 1753 (?) Mary > KILLINGHAM > > 7. John, b: 19 JAN 1721 ~ b: 18 FEB 1721 ~ m. (?) ...... Elizabeth MORTON > 8. Phebe, b: 12 MAR 1723 ~ baptized 05 APR 1724 > > 9.+ Vivian, b: 01 JUL 1726 ~ baptized: 29 JUL 1726 ~ m. Elizabeth VIVIAN > > 10.? Susanna DANIEL, m. 17 FEB 1736; Henry MICKELBOROUGH and had Vivian, b: > 06 NOV 1736 or 46 (last two figures almost erased), [Susanna] was probably > daughter of James combing before James No. 6 > > ? Robert, No. 286, also probably belongs to James. > ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Debbie, I have several CLOPTONS in my PAF (not family) and they tie into the REIDS, KENDRICKS, SAFFOLDS and their collaterals in Putnam County, GA area.. The REIDS and McKAYS came out of Northern Ireland in the early 1700's and first settled in Rowan County, NC. Andrew REID (1806-1865) of Eatonton, Putnam County, GA married Marianne CLOPTON on 20 Oct 1829 in Putnam County, GA. She was the d/o Alford CLOPTON and Sarah KENDRICK of Henrico County, Virginia, later, Montgomery, Montgomery County, Alabama. Sarah KENDRICK was the d/o Martin KENDRICK and Sarah WHITEHEAD of IOW, or that general area. Most of the KENDRICK information I have points to Washington County, GA and Martin KENDRICK died in 1804 in Washington County, GA. Do you remember the Hardy BRYAN of Thomasville I mentioned in the previous post? He was in business with my GGU,. Russell R. RENEAU (1832-1862), before the CW. In 1855, Russell, who owned the newspaper in Thomasville, married a CHASTAIN, d/o a CARLTON and g/d of David ALDERMAN. Anyway, Russell's daughter, also named Russell, married a W.H. "Harney" KENDRICK in the 1880's. Russell was killed at the Battle of South Mountain, MD on 14 Sep 1862. There is a circular connection in the REIDS back to the O'DANIELS. Robert Alexander REID, Jr. (1801-1864) married Nancy Ellen COOK, d/o John COOK, Jr. and Mary Ellen HAMPTON of Hayneville, Lowndes County, Alabama. John, Jr. was the son of John COOK, Sr. and Martha Ann PEARSON of Fairfield County, South Carolina. Their daughter, Martha Pearson COOK married (1st) Levi DANIELL of Hancock County, GA and (2nd) John Furman DANIEL, Esq. of Edgefield, SC -- both O'DANIEL descendants.. Don't think that Robert DANIELL and I have not tried to squeeze my DANIEL bunch into these O'DANIELS but we cannot find a place for them, even though we are many times occupying the same general area and dealing with the same set of folks. For some reason the O'DANIELS are missing the one given name I need, Robert DANIEL. Maybe it is there and we have just not found it, yet..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Hill" <dhill@srcaccess.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Coleman's Greene County, GA > For those who may be interested Benjamin Clopton is a son of Walter Clopton > & Mary JARRATT Clopton [my 9th g-gp's] > > source The Clopton Family Book > > Debbie Hill > dhill@srcaccess.net > > > > June 23, 1755, Benjamin Clopton & Agnes Morgan. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Debbie, Ok, here is what I have on the JARRETTS. Batt WYCHE (1767-1819), son of Lt. Col. George WYCHE II and Patience CLARK of Brunswick County, VA and later Richmond County, GA, married a Mary JARRETT. I do not know anything about her family other than her father was supposedly a Devereux JARRETT. They also lived in Montgomery County, GA but some say he moved to Decatur County, GA before he died. Information I have on his, is posted below. Batt WYCHE was the brother of Littleton WYCHE (1772-1834) who married Susannah MITCHELL, d/o Thomas Goodwin MITCHELL and Anne RAINES of Sussex County, VA, later, Thomas County, GA.. Littleton's daughter, Maria WYCHE married Hardy BRYAN (ABT 1799-1859) of Melrose Plantation, Thomasville, Thomas County, GA. Hardy was a rather wealthy fellow. This whole bunch is tied up with the BRYANS, BLACKSHEARS, RAIFORDS, MTCHELLS and others. One of these RAIFORDS boys who marry one of Littleton's girls points right back to Phillip RAIFORD and Elizabeth DANIEL (O'DANIEL) of Edgefield, SC. I generally consider any DAIEL family tied to any of these families to be probably part of the O'DANIELS of Fairfax County, VA, at least, post 1800....... As you can tell from the name, BRYAN, there is a direct connection back to Craven County, NC in a lot of these families. Since the JORDANS also fall into this little group, there is also a link back to Northampton County, NC and I would assume they all feed back to the IOW area of VA. Info on Batt WYCHE: <<< ---William and Mary College Quarterly, Vol.XIV, No. 1, July 1905, lists Batt's birthdate as 16 Aug 1771. ---He died at the home of his daughter,Nancy c. Wyche. His obituary was published in the Columbian Museum and Savannah Gazette on 19 Nov 1819. His son, George, and Elias McElveen were administrators of his estate. The estate records were closed out in 1832 ---1800 - 08: Record of deed transaction bet. Littleton Wyche and George Wyche in Montgomery Co., GA. Batt witnessed.(Deed Book G, page 141). ---1801 - Record of deed transaction between David Blackshear and Batt Wyche on 19 Sep in Montgomery Co. (Deed Book G, page 121) ---1804 - Batt received land grant of 100 acres from State. ---1808 - Deed transaction in Telfair Co., GA from John Harris to Batt Wyche on 28 Oct, Lot 149, 6th dist. of Wilkinson Co. Witnesses: James Powell and John Burnett. ---1815 - Deed transaction in Montgomery Co. between Benjamin Bryan and batt Wyche on 10 Dec. (Deed Book H, page 323) ---1817 - Batt Wyche gave daughter, Patience Green Clark, 4 slaves on 24 May in Mont. Co. (Book H, page 388) ---1817 - Batt gave daughter, Polly Meeks, 4 slaves on 24 May (Book H,page 389) ---1817 - Batt gave son, George Wyche, 2 slaves on 24 May (Book H, page 389) ---1818 - Batt gave daughter, Nancy Christian Wyche, 5 slaves on 22 April (Book H, page 52) ---1818 - Batt gave daughter, Suannah Jarret Wyche, 5 slaves on 22 April (page 53) ---1818 - Batt gave son, Robert D. Wyche, 5 slaves on April 22 (page 54) ---1818 - Batt gave son, John Scott Wyche 5 slaves on 22 April (page 55) ---1818 - batt gave daughter, Lucinda Jane Wyche, 5 slave on 22 April (page 56) ---1818 - batt gave son, George Wyche 2 slaves on 11 Aug (page 70) ---1818 batt served as justice of the Montgomery County Inferior Court from Oct 1818 - July 1819. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Hill" <dhill@srcaccess.net> To: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net>; <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Coleman's Greene County, GA > For those who may be interested Benjamin Clopton is a son of Walter Clopton > & Mary JARRATT Clopton [my 9th g-gp's] > > source The Clopton Family Book > > Debbie Hill > dhill@srcaccess.net > > > > June 23, 1755, Benjamin Clopton & Agnes Morgan. > >

Payne, Let go back a bit to 1786. In 1786 there was a great upheaval in New England -- Shay's Rebellion. This rebellion was brought about because the MA legislature passed laws raising taxes and saying those taxes had to be paid in gold, a commodity in short supply after the RW. They said they did this to help to pay for the RW and they started confiscating people's land for taxes when these taxes were not paid, hence the reason for this rebellion. After this happened, farmers in both in CT and MA, went berserk. They captured a US arsenal and killed a few soldiers in the process. It dos not sound like a "big happening," today in this era of civil disobedience but it was then. The GROSVENORS were up to their neck in it, as I would assume, so too were their closely collateral DANIELS. One of the CONVERSE boys, who married a GROSVENOR girl, just made it out of town on a fast horse. He fled to the Ohio Territory. Leicester, Jr and his family fled into VT, where they could not be extradited because VT was still a territory. Some of these GROSVENORS even fled over into Canada but Fairfax, Franklin County, VT is located right on the Canadian border, so her family did not have far to flee if the authorities from CT and MA ever came looking for them. This "flight to avoid punishment" has always been one of the real problems I have faced researching her GROSVENOR family because after 1786 they played it real close to the vest, left few civil records and only married within their close family set. This behavior would stay pretty constant until well into the 19th Century. The same thing could have easily happened to these DANIELS from CT and MA -- they had to escape with only the clothes on their back and instead of fleeing north, they fled south into PA, VA, NC and later, GA. I have often wondered why my Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA never did apply for a RS land grant. He had more than ample opportunity. I also know he was born in America, because Burke County, GA census proves he was not an immigrant It also shows he was of the right age to fight in the RW. Also, the families that his children later marry into also shows me that he was probably not a Tory, since most of them fought, bravely, in the RW. This opens the possibility that RCD could not claim a RW land grant because of other reasons, much the same as happened to the GROSVENORS - they had to get out of "Dodge on a fast horse" and for the rest of his life he played it "close to the vest" for fear he was still being sought by the authorities in CT or MA. What the GROSVENORS and possibly RCD never knew until much later was Gov. John HANCOCK later pardoned them for their acts during this rebellion. This may help explain why some DANIEL families are having such a hard time turning up their ancestors - these boys worked real hard to cover their trails by burning every bridge to their past and their parents, also fearing for their safety, never divulged where their kids had moved to. I think the answer may be -- where are your connections. I feel pretty sure I probably have New Haven, CT connections in my overall family but I do not know how far they extend. My GGF, Charles W. RICHTER (1807-1884), who later married Anne Elizabeth POTTER of St. Croix, went from St. Croix to New Haven, CT in 1832 in the company of an Robert ABBOT, Esq. and they did not go there for their health. It may have been business but I do not think so, because I also know Jesse and Margaret Potter TATUM fled St. Croix to New England a few years later, before settling in Marietta, Cobb County, GA. Charles and Anne settled in Madison. Morgan County, GA and their son, my grandfather, John, married Alice DANIEL. Their third son was named, Milton "Abbot" RICHTER. This New England connection is just one of the avenues I am looking at. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA