The fun begins again and we retravel old territory. Judy was kind enough to send me the list of children she has for Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier of Tyrrell Co., NC. My take on the list should be in red or the reply to each child follows immediately after the name. Thomas DANIEL/ Elizabeth LANIER issue: 1. Robert Lanier, b:1718, d:aft14Sept1794NC, M: Mary Swaim? No, Mary married Robert Daniel of Martin Co., NC. It is likely that Robert born 1718 was married to Jemimia Willis. John Clarke says she was unknown. Robert Lanier Daniel and Jemima both signed Deed Bk 2, pgs 9-11 in Tyrrell County in 1748 as residents. 2. Thomas, Jr., b:1720, d:1813GA, M: Sarah Burney. No, Sarah Burney married Thomas Daniel (1740-1813) the son of William Daniel and Elizabeth Coleman. 3. John, b:1724, M: Elizabeth Douglas. OK 4. William, b:1724, M: Unknown Hudson, No, William (1732-1797) married a Sarah. The entire story or narrative about this William can be seen at my web site http://paynedaniel.com Under Ann Jones Daniel of St. Clement Dane, Middlesex Co., England 5. Mary, b:1726, M:John Edward Ward. OK 6. Sarah, b:1730,M:Algermon Wilson, M2:John Wilson. No idea about this Algernon Wilson. John (Wilson) spelled his name Willson. 7. Aaron, b:1733,d:1790, M:Elizabeth Whitfield. OK, dob 1733-1739. 8. Elizabeth Lanier, b:1734, M:Ebenezer Folsom. OK 9. Josiah,b:1736,d:1825, M: Sarah Campbell,M2:Elizabeth. He was dead by 1809, and married Sarah Campbell and Elizabeth May. Old Records suggest that Josiah died testate and was deceased by 1809. [Screven County Deed dated Aug, 15 of 1809] Text on page 14, "Josiah Daniel in St. Peters Parish, S. C". I have the entire history of Josiah. 10. Ruth, b:1736. 1852: Per her mother's will, she was less than 16 years of age; therefore, she was born after 1736. 11. Priscilla, b:1738. OK

Again, thanks for the records. "This may be a clue as to who were really Aaron's parents but since his aunt was a ROGERS it may not......." I am not sure that I have a problem with who Aaron's parents really were, but I will try to follow your line of thinking. Happy Easter, Ya'll Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Some Marlboro County, SC Deeds. > Payne, > Notice two things about these two deeds. The first 1810 deed relates to > property owned by Matthew WHITFIELD and is now owned by Reese LUKE but also > notice the WILDS mentioned in this deed. Then, take a look at the 1790 deed > from William LUKE to John DANIEL, same family, same everything and also > notice the WILDS listed on this deed. > > These deeds tell me two things. Matthew WHITFIELD, the father of Betsy > WHITFIELD who married Aaron DANIEL was in Marlboro County, SC and so, too, > probably was Aaron and Betsy. This also seems to indicate the John DANIEL > of the 1790 deed was probably Aaron's son, John. However, notice one other > thing on the 1810 deed -- the name John ROGERS and what family is the ROGERS > family collateral with? > > This may be a clue as to who were really Aaron's parents but since his aunt > was a ROGERS it may not....... > > > First Deed -1810 > > <<< > STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA } > MARLBOROUGH DISTRICT ] > Know all men by these presents that I, REECE LUKE of the district & state > aforesaid for > and in consideration of one Hundred & five Dollars to me paid by JOSEPH > JONES of the > District & State aforesaid have granted, bargained, sold and released and by > these > presents do grant, Bargain, sell and release unto the said Joseph Jones all > that > parcel or Tract of Land Containing Fifty acres beginning on the N. Side of > Muddy > Creek at a stake 3X Running N.W. 45__ 19 chains to a stake 3X Thence N.E. > 46__ > 26 chains to a pine 3 _______ being the dividing line between the said > Joseph Jones > and EDWARD TERRAL Thence S.E. 43__19 chains to a stake & pine 3X Thence > S.W. 46__26 chains to the beginning stake 3X being the back or North Part of > a Tract > of Land containing Three Hundred Acres whereas the Mill seat is situated and > surveyed for PETER SMITH , the Eighteenth day of October Anno Domini > One thousand Seven hundred and sixty three and originally Granted to the > said Peter Smith > by his Honor William Bull, Esq. Situate on Muddy Creek in the District and > State > aforesaid and hath such buttings and boundings, shapes, forms and marks as > is > Represented in the platt to the original Grant Annexed, and was heretofore > conveyed > from Peter Smith to MATTHEW WHITFIELD by an indenture bearing date the > Seventh day of December One thousand and Seven hundred and Sixty seven and > by > law conveyed to JESSE WILDS by an Indenture bearing date the tenth day of > November in the year of our Lord One thousand, Seven hundred Eighty six and > from > the said Jesse Wilds Con veyed to GEORGE WILDS by an Indenture bearing date > the nineteenth day of May in the year of Our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred > and > Ninety? one at which time from the last conveyance Jesse Wilds to George > Wilds was > excepted therefore the said Fifty acres of land, and from the said Jesse > Wilds conveyed > to JOHN MCNATT by an Indenture bearing date the Eleventh day of August in > the > year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred & Ninety five and from the said > John > McNatt conveyed to the above named Reece Luke by an Indenture bearing date > the fifth day of May in the year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and > one > together with all and singular the rights, members, hereditaments and > appurtenances > to the said premises belonging or in any wise incident or appertaining. To > Have and > To Hold all and singular the premises before mentioned unto the said Joseph > Jones > his heirs and assigns forever and I do hereby bind myself, my heirs, > Executors and > Administrators to Warrant and forever defend all and singular the said > premises > unto the said Joseph Luke his heirs and assigns against myself and my Heirs > and > against every person whomsoever Lawfully Claiming or to Claim the same or > any > part thereof. > WITNESS my Hand and Seal this Seventeenth day of March in the Year of our > Lord > One thousand Eight hundred and ten and in the thirty fourth year of the > Independence > of the United states of America. > > Signed, Sealed & Delivered Reese (his mark) Luke > in the presence of > > John Rogers > James McNatt > SOUTH CAROLINA > MARLBOROUGH DISTRICT > > Before me Thomas Evans one of the Justices of the Peace for the district > aforesaid > Personally appeared James McNatt who being duly sworn sayeth that he was > present > and did see Reece Luke sign, seal, and deliver as his Act and Deed the > Within > Instrument ________for the use & purposes within mentioned and this deponant > further sayeth that he and John Rogers signed as Witnesses thereunto in the > presence of each other. > > James McNatt > > Sworn to & signed before > me this 23rd day February 1811 > > Thomas Evans, J.P. > > Recorded the 15th April 1811 Deed Book GG, page l83 > > >>> > > > Second Deed - 1790 > > <<< > This Indenture made the tenth day of September in the fifteenth year of the > Independence of America and in the year of our Lord one thousand seven > hundred and ninety, between William Luke & Elizabeth his wife, in the county > of Marlborough in the State of South Carolina, School Master of the one part > and John Daniel of the county and state aforesaid, planter, of the other > part > witnesseth that whereas his Excellancy William Bull, Esq. then governor of > this State by deed of Grant bearing date the fifteenth day of September One > Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Three under the Great Seal of the State > for the consideration therein mentioned did give and grant unto John Luke, > his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel or tract of land containing > four > hundred acres in the Welch (sic) Tract on Peedee River in the County and > State > aforesaid, having such shape, form and marked trees as appears by a Plat > thereof unto the said Grant annexed, reference there unto being had may more > fully appear and whereas by a bargain & sale the said John Luke did on the > second and third days of May one thousand seven hundred and firty-seven > Convey by Lease and Release of that date unto Joseph Luke, his heirs and > assigns, his moity or one hundred and thirty three acres of said tract of > land > taken of the upper part of said tract and was from him conveyed to William > Luke by heirship. Now this Indenture witnesseth that the said William Luke > & Elizabeth his wife, for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred > and twenty pounds Sterling money to him in hand paid at and before the > Ensealing and Delivery of these presents the Receipt whereof is hereby > acknowledged have bargained, sold and by these presents do Grant, bargain > and sell unto John Daniel, his heirs and assigns forever all that plantation > or > part of a tract of land, containing one hundred thirty three acres taken of > the > upper part of the said tract of Four Hundred acres Together with all & > singular > the houses, out houses, yards, gardens, ways, paths, passages, liberties and > privledges thereunto belonging or anywise appertaining to the premises > hereby > granted and hereby intended to be hereby granted & the provisions and > revisions > remainder and Remainders , Services, profits & benefits of the said one > hundred > and thirty three acres Land & all rights, claims, interests, securities > relative to the > same, To Have and To Hold the said tract of one hundred and thirty three > acres > of land and other premises unto the said John Daniel, his heirs and assigns > forever > to their only proper use and behoof & the said William Luke & Elizabeth his > wife, > for themselves, their heirs, Executors & administrators & every of them > shall > and will warrant and forever defend the above recited tract of land or part > of a > tract containing one hundred and thirty three acres of land and premises > unto the > said John Daniel, his heirs and assigns forever against him the said William > Luke > & Elizabeth, his wife, their heirs _____ every person or persons whatever in > Witness whereof the said William Luke & Elizabeth his wife hath hereunto set > their hands and seals the day and year first above written. > > William Luke (his seal) > > Elizabeth Luke (her seal) > > > Signed, Sealed and Delivered in the presence of > Jesse Wilds > Peter Smith > Susanna Smith > > > Sept. 10th 1790 ____________ of Mr. John Daniel one hundred and > twenty pounds > Sterling money being the full consideration Sum for the within deed. > > >>> > > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Thanks for the record. I continue to be interested in the dates of birth you have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? I will look at my notes about Aaron but I don't think it's my notes you refer to as "cobbled up", so are those notes from a source not mentioned here.? " It hurts when I swing, and it hurts when I don't." Arnold Palmer, 74 years of age. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Payne, > > Someone has really cobbled up these notes about Aaron DANIEL. I went to the > "hoss's mouth" and looked them up, myself, and he did not join a St. David's > Scottish Presbyterian Church, he seems to have joined the St. David's > Church, a church of the Church of England. Interesting. > > What is even more interesting is Aaron DANIEL was not listed in any of the > records these sources have listed for him, although the other names, like > Samuel WISE,. Jesse COUNCIL, and others, are. The vestry notes are at the > bottom of this page. > > That said, there should be some note of Aaron and Betsy in the vestry > minutes of this church which are in the SC Archives and which have also been > published by Brent HOLCOLMB. > > This is just another example of where folks have cobbled up, commingled and, > it appears, out fabricated some of the stuff you see about Aaron and Betsy. > This is why I have always said, there are those who seem more than willing > to fabricate their families genealogy to suit their own needs but it is > rather difficult to do so over several other families, as well as when faced > with irrefutable historical documents. > > This information is from the Marlboro County, SC website. : > > <<< > Please note that because the Vestry of St. David's also served the community > as a political body (voting, collecting taxes, etc.), early records will > contain the names of members of all religious denominations. > > Minutes of the Vestry > April 1768 > The following gentlemen were named Commissioners for the Parish of St. > David's: > > Claudius Pegues Charles Bedingfield > Philip Pledger James James > Alexander Mackintosh Robert Weaver > George Hicks James Thomson > Thomas Ellerbee Thomas Crawford > Robert Alison Thomas Porte > Thomas Lide Benjamin Rogers > > August 1st 1768 > The Commissioners met at the House of Mr. Charles Bedingfield. > Absent were Thomas Ellerbee, Robert Weaver, James Thomson, Thomas Crawford > and Thomas Porte. > > Declining to act as Commissioners were Alexander Mackintosh, James James > and Robert Alison. > > Elections were held. > Elected as Vestry Men: > Claudius Pegues, Philip Pledger, William Godfrey, Charles Bedingfield, > Thomas Lide, Thomas Ellerbee, Thomas Bingham > > Elected as Church Wardens: > Alexander Gordon and Benjamin Rogers. > > Durham Hitts was appointed Clerk of the Vestry. > > Electors were: > William Hardwick > Duke Glen > John Mackintosh > John Jenkins > Edward Ellerbee > John Husbands > Thomas Boatright, Senr. > Jesse Counsell > John Pledger > Robert Clary > Robert Anderson > Benjamin Jackson > James Knight > Samuel Wise > James Thursby > Thomas Williams > Thomas Wade > Leonard Dozier > <<< > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > >I take it John that your are stating your opinions and suspicions, and by > > the way, what's wrong with Radford, Lenoir, NC, being the birth place of > > Aaron Daniel? What list of children do you support for Ensign Aaron and > > Elizabeth Whitfield Daniel? According to Ingersol, page 414, Aaron was > > born > > in 1739 and died in 1790 in Cheraw District, SC. I am not a fan of > > Ingersol > > so your 1733 may be closer? I would also be interested in the dates of > > birth > > you have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? > > > > From lovely New Tampa, Florida. Payne > > > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > > statistics." > > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > > > >> Judy, > >> That is correct but Duplin and Sampson County, NC were not what I > > would > >> consider to be "normal stomping grounds" for the Lanier-Daniels. > >> Number one, this Moses has to be at least 16 to be witness of a deed > > and > >> that puts his DOB as 1749, probably closer to 1744, making him at least > >> of > >> majority. This puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and not his son. > > There > >> is no Moses listed in the will of Thomas and Elizabeth DANIEL, is there? > >> We also have reports there was an Abraham DANIEL born prior to 1750 > > floating > >> around this bunch and that, too, puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and > >> also not his son. > >> You see we really do not know when Aaron was born, do we? Some say > > 1739 > >> but that is incorrect. He had to be born by 1733 not to be listed as a > >> minor in his father's 1749 will nor was he listed as a minor in his > > mother's > >> 1752 will, was he? That means that he was born at least by 1733, > >> probably > >> before. > >> I also always go with the general rule of Southern families, as these > >> DANIELS were, that parents tend to name their children after a > >> combination > >> of the given names of their father's and mother's families, with a few > > vogue > >> names thrown in from time to time. I also go with the general rule that > >> Yankee families went more towards Bible oriented given names, due to > >> their > >> Puritan influence, than did most Southern folks. > >> Southerners, for the most part, have always gone with tradition, even > >> then. This does not mean there was not an occasional family where > > religion > >> dominated every part of their lives and they would name their children > > after > >> biblical characters because there were these occasional families. > > However, > >> for the most part Southern families were real big in naming their > >> children > >> according to tradition and that tradition indicates they will use family > >> names for their chillen. > >> There were several Biblical names used in the WHITFIELDS that we know > >> of, Matthew and Luke, but their other given names are generally family > >> names. When you go back to the BRYANS, they re-use family names, like > >> water. There are hundreds of Rachels, Penelopes, Williams and Johns. > > Even > >> the WARRENS tended to re-use family names, as best I can tell. > >> So, when I look at what I would think would be the given names for > > Capt. > >> Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL's kids, I would look at some type of > >> combination of these names as possible given names for their children. > > Yet, > >> we do not see these names used in this family to any degree. That makes > > me > >> really wonder about this DANIEL family, assuming we believe the claims of > >> some of their descendants concerning the identity of their ancestors. > >> All of these Southern families of this era named their children in an > >> almost identical fashion. I cannot tell you how many Williams and Johns > >> there are in my families of this period and these were families that not > >> only lived right around these DANIELS but also had collateral links to > > them. > >> Without a will for either Aaron or Betsy, where their children are > >> actually named, or some type or other contemporary document outlining > >> this > >> family to some degree, then what we see in POWG is highly suspect. Our > >> major problem, today, is not in actually researching these various lines > > but > >> in straightening out the mess of early family researchers who did not > >> have > >> access to the documents we have available to us, today. > >> What these early researchers did was take "family myth" and force the > >> pieces of the known puzzle of the time into the holes on the board, > > whether > >> they actually fit or not. This is why you see both 10 and 60 year old > >> females giving birth to children. The problem is -- we now know they > >> skipped a generation or two in between. > >> Yet, there are those who will fight to keep their established > > genealogy, > >> even with faced with the impossibility of such an assignment, because a > >> change in that assignment would effect their membership in various > >> organizations. This is also why we have such a hodge-podge of DNA > > results > >> and why some of the stuff we see does not match what we would think > > because > >> the person who submitted the DNA was really not a descendant of the > >> person > >> they think they descend from. > >> I was talking with a MAY cousin who is trying to track his MAY > > ancestry. > >> He got a 24/25 marker match with some fellow in TN but I told him a 24/25 > >> marker test only indicates they had a common ancestor within the past 8 > >> generations. I told him as close as he should have been to this person, > > he > >> should have had a 25/25 marker match because, at the most, both of them > > were > >> only 5 generations removed from their "most recent common ancestor" > > (MCRA). > >> I would almost guarantee you that my DNA would give a perfect 25/25 > >> match with someone from my RICHTER family in Germany if we were descended > >> from the same common Prussian ancestor, which is only five generations > >> removed for me. As for Joe's DNA test, he is only 4 generations removed > >> from Charles MAY born 1778 in Edgefield County, SC which means their MRCA > > is > >> located at least three generation beyond that time frame - a GGF of > > Charles > >> MAY. This really pushes them back to some time in the 1600's and maybe > > even > >> back to the old country, where ever that was. > >> Take MS Lucy's recent DNA test. She, also, got a 24/25 marker match > > but > >> this only indicates this person shared a MCRA at their 5th to 6th GGF > > level. > >> Since MS Lucy is only four generations removed from William DANIEL born > > 1760 > >> this means their MCRA was William DANIEL's GGF. That, was also a long > > time > >> ago. > >> With a 25 marker test you should get a perfect match (25/25) with any > >> person with whom you share a MCRA within the past seven generations. In > >> simple terms, if you and they share, at least, a 5th GGF, you should get > >> a > >> perfect match. If you share a MCRA beyond that, the match will diminish, > >> statistically. For most of us, that puts a perfect match well into the > >> 1600's and I do not think we are searching for information much beyond > > that, > >> at least in this country. > >> > >> John R. Clarke > >> Thomasville, GA > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:01 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > >> > >> > >> > Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 > >> > Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of > >> > Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent > >> > Mathew WHITFIELD. > >> > Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. > >> > Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL > >> > > >> > Judy Garner, > >> > Sebring,FL > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > >> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > >> > > >> > > >> >> Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James > >> >> Cooper? > >> >> Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born > >> >> 1797. > >> >> He > >> >> was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married > >> >> before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of > >> > Aaron > >> >> Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). > >> >> > >> >> Judy Garner > >> >> Sebring,FL > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > >> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM > >> >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Good Morning, > >> >> > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER > >> > supposedly > >> >> > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of > >> >> Greene > >> >> > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as > > a > >> >> > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in > >> > 1807, > >> >> > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... > >> >> > > >> >> > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me > >> >> either > >> >> > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. > >> >> > > >> >> > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an > >> >> > IOW > >> >> > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL > >> >> > bunch > >> > sure > >> >> > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... > >> >> > > >> >> > <<< > >> >> > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA > >> >> > > >> >> > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 > >> >> > Wife: not named > >> >> > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, > >> > Nancy > >> >> > Barnes > >> >> > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, > >> > James > >> >> > Rice, John Gill > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > John R. Clarke > >> >> > Thomasville, GA > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> >> > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List > > Archives > >> >> at: > >> >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > >> > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > > families > >> > or > >> > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > > not > >> > allowed on this list. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > >> > the subject of a reply message. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >> > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

Kim, We have a pretty good idea who your Judith DANIEL was. She was actually Judith Christian DANIEL, d/o James "Chesley" DANIEL (1762-1841) of Granville County, NC and Ann VENABLE of " Brookland ", Granville County., NC. So, if you think your Walter DANIEL: is out of that bunch, that is where I would look. This is a note I had from another researcher of this line. As you know, Judith Christian DANIEL married twice, and once was to Rev. Samuel Lyle GRAHAM, DD of Liberty, Bedford County, Virginia by 1843. She and Rev. GRAHAM had two children born AFT 1843. I have always found this GRAHAM information interesting. Samuel Graham RAMSEY (1771-1817) married Elizabeth Christian FLEMING, d/o Reynolds RAMSEY and Naomi ALEXANDER of Swan Pond, Knox County, Tennessee. Elizabeth was the d/o of Col. William FLEMING and Nancy Ann CHRISTIAN of Roanoke (Bellmont), Roanoke, VA. I have also included the children of Reynolds RAMSEY and Naomi ALEXANDER at the bottom of this message. I am very interested in any connection to this family, no matter how slight the connection. >>> Searching for info on descendants of Chesley Daniel. Moved to Granville Co. from Albemarle Co VA. Home named Tranquility. Married Judith Christian children -James , John, Woodson, Beverly, Martha, Judith, Gene, Susan , Elizabeth, Mary. My line is thru James who married Ann Venable children Nathaniel,Eliza Woodson, Ann Venable, Judith, Mary , James.Judith married (2) Samuel Lyle Graham D.D. my g-grandfather. I am trying to help others who come from different siblings in this line. TIA Nancye >>> Children of Reynolds RAMSEY RS-MD (1736, New Castle, MD - 1816, Swan Pond, Knox County, TN) and Naomi ALEXANDER (1736, Frederick County, Maryland - 1813, Swan Pond, Knox County, TN): <<< Children i. Francis Alexander RAMSEY b: 31 May 1764 in Marsh Creek, Adams Co., PA Marriage 1 Ann (Agnew) FLEMING Married: Mar 1806 in Gettysburg, Adams Co., PA Marriage 2 Margaret McKnitt ALEXANDER b: 3 Apr 1766 in Mecklenburg Co., NC Married: 7 Apr 1789 in Mecklenburg, NC Death: 5 Nov 1820 in Knox, Tennessee Burial: Lebanon Presby., Church Graveyard, Knox, Tennessee ii. Jane RAMSEY born ABT 1765 in Marsh Creek, Adams County, PA married Rev. Thomas Means RENEAU RS-VA (1760, Frederick County, Virginia -1840, Blue River TWP, Harrison County, IN), s/o John RENEAU of Fauquier County, VA and Mary Susannah THORN, later Elizabethton, Carter County, TN. Mrs. Jane Ramsey RENEAU died in 1851, Blue River TWP, Harrison County, IN.. iii. John RAMSEY b: Abt. 1766 in Marsh Creek, Adams Co., PA iv. William RAMSEY b: Abt. 1768 in Marsh Creek, Adams Co., PA v. Samuel Reynolds Graham RAMSEY b: 20 Oct 1771 in Marsh Creek, Adams Co., PA Married: 24 FEB 1797 in Botetourt County, Virginia Elizabeth Christian FLEMING b. 13 MAR 1775 in Botetourt County, Virginia.Death: 1844 in Georgia His Death: 5 Jul 1817 in Knox, Tennessee Her Father: William FLEMING b: 17 FEB 1727/28 in Jedburgh, Scotland Mother: Nancy Anne CHRISTIAN b: ABT. 1745 in Virginia vi. Amelia Naomi RAMSEY b: Abt. 1773 in Marsh Creek, Adams Co., PA Marriage 1 James KING Marriage 2 UNKNOWN TAYLOR Married: in Knox Co., TN Death: 17 Nov 1809 in Knox, Tennessee Burial: Ebenezer Church, Graveyard, Knox, Tennessee >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Ivey" <k_ivey@bellsouth.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:58 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Walter DANIEL b. 1808 VA to Williamson Co., TN > Hello Everyone, > > I am looking for info on Walter DANIEL b. 1808 in VA. He married Anna > JONES > 23 Apr 1838 in Williamson Co., TN. They had only one known daughter > Paralee > b. 04 Mar 1839 in Williamson Co., TN. Paralee married 2nd William Calvin > WATKINS 14 Nov 1866 in Williamson Co., TN. William is the son of Joel > WATKINS and Judith DANIEL (dau of James DANIEL and Ann VENABLE). I > suspect > that Walter may be a cousin to Judith. Can anyone help? > > Kim Ivey <k_ivey@bellsouth.net> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

Hello Everyone, I am looking for info on Walter DANIEL b. 1808 in VA. He married Anna JONES 23 Apr 1838 in Williamson Co., TN. They had only one known daughter Paralee b. 04 Mar 1839 in Williamson Co., TN. Paralee married 2nd William Calvin WATKINS 14 Nov 1866 in Williamson Co., TN. William is the son of Joel WATKINS and Judith DANIEL (dau of James DANIEL and Ann VENABLE). I suspect that Walter may be a cousin to Judith. Can anyone help? Kim Ivey <k_ivey@bellsouth.net>

Payne, Notice two things about these two deeds. The first 1810 deed relates to property owned by Matthew WHITFIELD and is now owned by Reese LUKE but also notice the WILDS mentioned in this deed. Then, take a look at the 1790 deed from William LUKE to John DANIEL, same family, same everything and also notice the WILDS listed on this deed. These deeds tell me two things. Matthew WHITFIELD, the father of Betsy WHITFIELD who married Aaron DANIEL was in Marlboro County, SC and so, too, probably was Aaron and Betsy. This also seems to indicate the John DANIEL of the 1790 deed was probably Aaron's son, John. However, notice one other thing on the 1810 deed -- the name John ROGERS and what family is the ROGERS family collateral with? This may be a clue as to who were really Aaron's parents but since his aunt was a ROGERS it may not....... First Deed -1810 <<< STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA } MARLBOROUGH DISTRICT ] Know all men by these presents that I, REECE LUKE of the district & state aforesaid for and in consideration of one Hundred & five Dollars to me paid by JOSEPH JONES of the District & State aforesaid have granted, bargained, sold and released and by these presents do grant, Bargain, sell and release unto the said Joseph Jones all that parcel or Tract of Land Containing Fifty acres beginning on the N. Side of Muddy Creek at a stake 3X Running N.W. 45__ 19 chains to a stake 3X Thence N.E. 46__ 26 chains to a pine 3 _______ being the dividing line between the said Joseph Jones and EDWARD TERRAL Thence S.E. 43__19 chains to a stake & pine 3X Thence S.W. 46__26 chains to the beginning stake 3X being the back or North Part of a Tract of Land containing Three Hundred Acres whereas the Mill seat is situated and surveyed for PETER SMITH , the Eighteenth day of October Anno Domini One thousand Seven hundred and sixty three and originally Granted to the said Peter Smith by his Honor William Bull, Esq. Situate on Muddy Creek in the District and State aforesaid and hath such buttings and boundings, shapes, forms and marks as is Represented in the platt to the original Grant Annexed, and was heretofore conveyed from Peter Smith to MATTHEW WHITFIELD by an indenture bearing date the Seventh day of December One thousand and Seven hundred and Sixty seven and by law conveyed to JESSE WILDS by an Indenture bearing date the tenth day of November in the year of our Lord One thousand, Seven hundred Eighty six and from the said Jesse Wilds Con veyed to GEORGE WILDS by an Indenture bearing date the nineteenth day of May in the year of Our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety? one at which time from the last conveyance Jesse Wilds to George Wilds was excepted therefore the said Fifty acres of land, and from the said Jesse Wilds conveyed to JOHN MCNATT by an Indenture bearing date the Eleventh day of August in the year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred & Ninety five and from the said John McNatt conveyed to the above named Reece Luke by an Indenture bearing date the fifth day of May in the year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and one together with all and singular the rights, members, hereditaments and appurtenances to the said premises belonging or in any wise incident or appertaining. To Have and To Hold all and singular the premises before mentioned unto the said Joseph Jones his heirs and assigns forever and I do hereby bind myself, my heirs, Executors and Administrators to Warrant and forever defend all and singular the said premises unto the said Joseph Luke his heirs and assigns against myself and my Heirs and against every person whomsoever Lawfully Claiming or to Claim the same or any part thereof. WITNESS my Hand and Seal this Seventeenth day of March in the Year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and ten and in the thirty fourth year of the Independence of the United states of America. Signed, Sealed & Delivered Reese (his mark) Luke in the presence of John Rogers James McNatt SOUTH CAROLINA MARLBOROUGH DISTRICT Before me Thomas Evans one of the Justices of the Peace for the district aforesaid Personally appeared James McNatt who being duly sworn sayeth that he was present and did see Reece Luke sign, seal, and deliver as his Act and Deed the Within Instrument ________for the use & purposes within mentioned and this deponant further sayeth that he and John Rogers signed as Witnesses thereunto in the presence of each other. James McNatt Sworn to & signed before me this 23rd day February 1811 Thomas Evans, J.P. Recorded the 15th April 1811 Deed Book GG, page l83 >>> Second Deed - 1790 <<< This Indenture made the tenth day of September in the fifteenth year of the Independence of America and in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety, between William Luke & Elizabeth his wife, in the county of Marlborough in the State of South Carolina, School Master of the one part and John Daniel of the county and state aforesaid, planter, of the other part witnesseth that whereas his Excellancy William Bull, Esq. then governor of this State by deed of Grant bearing date the fifteenth day of September One Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Three under the Great Seal of the State for the consideration therein mentioned did give and grant unto John Luke, his heirs and assigns forever all that parcel or tract of land containing four hundred acres in the Welch (sic) Tract on Peedee River in the County and State aforesaid, having such shape, form and marked trees as appears by a Plat thereof unto the said Grant annexed, reference there unto being had may more fully appear and whereas by a bargain & sale the said John Luke did on the second and third days of May one thousand seven hundred and firty-seven Convey by Lease and Release of that date unto Joseph Luke, his heirs and assigns, his moity or one hundred and thirty three acres of said tract of land taken of the upper part of said tract and was from him conveyed to William Luke by heirship. Now this Indenture witnesseth that the said William Luke & Elizabeth his wife, for and in consideration of the sum of one hundred and twenty pounds Sterling money to him in hand paid at and before the Ensealing and Delivery of these presents the Receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged have bargained, sold and by these presents do Grant, bargain and sell unto John Daniel, his heirs and assigns forever all that plantation or part of a tract of land, containing one hundred thirty three acres taken of the upper part of the said tract of Four Hundred acres Together with all & singular the houses, out houses, yards, gardens, ways, paths, passages, liberties and privledges thereunto belonging or anywise appertaining to the premises hereby granted and hereby intended to be hereby granted & the provisions and revisions remainder and Remainders , Services, profits & benefits of the said one hundred and thirty three acres Land & all rights, claims, interests, securities relative to the same, To Have and To Hold the said tract of one hundred and thirty three acres of land and other premises unto the said John Daniel, his heirs and assigns forever to their only proper use and behoof & the said William Luke & Elizabeth his wife, for themselves, their heirs, Executors & administrators & every of them shall and will warrant and forever defend the above recited tract of land or part of a tract containing one hundred and thirty three acres of land and premises unto the said John Daniel, his heirs and assigns forever against him the said William Luke & Elizabeth, his wife, their heirs _____ every person or persons whatever in Witness whereof the said William Luke & Elizabeth his wife hath hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year first above written. William Luke (his seal) Elizabeth Luke (her seal) Signed, Sealed and Delivered in the presence of Jesse Wilds Peter Smith Susanna Smith Sept. 10th 1790 ____________ of Mr. John Daniel one hundred and twenty pounds Sterling money being the full consideration Sum for the within deed. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Payne, Someone has really cobbled up these notes about Aaron DANIEL. I went to the "hoss's mouth" and looked them up, myself, and he did not join a St. David's Scottish Presbyterian Church, he seems to have joined the St. David's Church, a church of the Church of England. Interesting. What is even more interesting is Aaron DANIEL was not listed in any of the records these sources have listed for him, although the other names, like Samuel WISE,. Jesse COUNCIL, and others, are. The vestry notes are at the bottom of this page. That said, there should be some note of Aaron and Betsy in the vestry minutes of this church which are in the SC Archives and which have also been published by Brent HOLCOLMB. This is just another example of where folks have cobbled up, commingled and, it appears, out fabricated some of the stuff you see about Aaron and Betsy. This is why I have always said, there are those who seem more than willing to fabricate their families genealogy to suit their own needs but it is rather difficult to do so over several other families, as well as when faced with irrefutable historical documents. This information is from the Marlboro County, SC website. : <<< Please note that because the Vestry of St. David's also served the community as a political body (voting, collecting taxes, etc.), early records will contain the names of members of all religious denominations. Minutes of the Vestry April 1768 The following gentlemen were named Commissioners for the Parish of St. David's: Claudius Pegues Charles Bedingfield Philip Pledger James James Alexander Mackintosh Robert Weaver George Hicks James Thomson Thomas Ellerbee Thomas Crawford Robert Alison Thomas Porte Thomas Lide Benjamin Rogers August 1st 1768 The Commissioners met at the House of Mr. Charles Bedingfield. Absent were Thomas Ellerbee, Robert Weaver, James Thomson, Thomas Crawford and Thomas Porte. Declining to act as Commissioners were Alexander Mackintosh, James James and Robert Alison. Elections were held. Elected as Vestry Men: Claudius Pegues, Philip Pledger, William Godfrey, Charles Bedingfield, Thomas Lide, Thomas Ellerbee, Thomas Bingham Elected as Church Wardens: Alexander Gordon and Benjamin Rogers. Durham Hitts was appointed Clerk of the Vestry. Electors were: William Hardwick Duke Glen John Mackintosh John Jenkins Edward Ellerbee John Husbands Thomas Boatright, Senr. Jesse Counsell John Pledger Robert Clary Robert Anderson Benjamin Jackson James Knight Samuel Wise James Thursby Thomas Williams Thomas Wade Leonard Dozier <<< John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >I take it John that your are stating your opinions and suspicions, and by > the way, what's wrong with Radford, Lenoir, NC, being the birth place of > Aaron Daniel? What list of children do you support for Ensign Aaron and > Elizabeth Whitfield Daniel? According to Ingersol, page 414, Aaron was > born > in 1739 and died in 1790 in Cheraw District, SC. I am not a fan of > Ingersol > so your 1733 may be closer? I would also be interested in the dates of > birth > you have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? > > From lovely New Tampa, Florida. Payne > > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and > statistics." > -- Benjamin Disraeli > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > >> Judy, >> That is correct but Duplin and Sampson County, NC were not what I > would >> consider to be "normal stomping grounds" for the Lanier-Daniels. >> Number one, this Moses has to be at least 16 to be witness of a deed > and >> that puts his DOB as 1749, probably closer to 1744, making him at least >> of >> majority. This puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and not his son. > There >> is no Moses listed in the will of Thomas and Elizabeth DANIEL, is there? >> We also have reports there was an Abraham DANIEL born prior to 1750 > floating >> around this bunch and that, too, puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and >> also not his son. >> You see we really do not know when Aaron was born, do we? Some say > 1739 >> but that is incorrect. He had to be born by 1733 not to be listed as a >> minor in his father's 1749 will nor was he listed as a minor in his > mother's >> 1752 will, was he? That means that he was born at least by 1733, >> probably >> before. >> I also always go with the general rule of Southern families, as these >> DANIELS were, that parents tend to name their children after a >> combination >> of the given names of their father's and mother's families, with a few > vogue >> names thrown in from time to time. I also go with the general rule that >> Yankee families went more towards Bible oriented given names, due to >> their >> Puritan influence, than did most Southern folks. >> Southerners, for the most part, have always gone with tradition, even >> then. This does not mean there was not an occasional family where > religion >> dominated every part of their lives and they would name their children > after >> biblical characters because there were these occasional families. > However, >> for the most part Southern families were real big in naming their >> children >> according to tradition and that tradition indicates they will use family >> names for their chillen. >> There were several Biblical names used in the WHITFIELDS that we know >> of, Matthew and Luke, but their other given names are generally family >> names. When you go back to the BRYANS, they re-use family names, like >> water. There are hundreds of Rachels, Penelopes, Williams and Johns. > Even >> the WARRENS tended to re-use family names, as best I can tell. >> So, when I look at what I would think would be the given names for > Capt. >> Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL's kids, I would look at some type of >> combination of these names as possible given names for their children. > Yet, >> we do not see these names used in this family to any degree. That makes > me >> really wonder about this DANIEL family, assuming we believe the claims of >> some of their descendants concerning the identity of their ancestors. >> All of these Southern families of this era named their children in an >> almost identical fashion. I cannot tell you how many Williams and Johns >> there are in my families of this period and these were families that not >> only lived right around these DANIELS but also had collateral links to > them. >> Without a will for either Aaron or Betsy, where their children are >> actually named, or some type or other contemporary document outlining >> this >> family to some degree, then what we see in POWG is highly suspect. Our >> major problem, today, is not in actually researching these various lines > but >> in straightening out the mess of early family researchers who did not >> have >> access to the documents we have available to us, today. >> What these early researchers did was take "family myth" and force the >> pieces of the known puzzle of the time into the holes on the board, > whether >> they actually fit or not. This is why you see both 10 and 60 year old >> females giving birth to children. The problem is -- we now know they >> skipped a generation or two in between. >> Yet, there are those who will fight to keep their established > genealogy, >> even with faced with the impossibility of such an assignment, because a >> change in that assignment would effect their membership in various >> organizations. This is also why we have such a hodge-podge of DNA > results >> and why some of the stuff we see does not match what we would think > because >> the person who submitted the DNA was really not a descendant of the >> person >> they think they descend from. >> I was talking with a MAY cousin who is trying to track his MAY > ancestry. >> He got a 24/25 marker match with some fellow in TN but I told him a 24/25 >> marker test only indicates they had a common ancestor within the past 8 >> generations. I told him as close as he should have been to this person, > he >> should have had a 25/25 marker match because, at the most, both of them > were >> only 5 generations removed from their "most recent common ancestor" > (MCRA). >> I would almost guarantee you that my DNA would give a perfect 25/25 >> match with someone from my RICHTER family in Germany if we were descended >> from the same common Prussian ancestor, which is only five generations >> removed for me. As for Joe's DNA test, he is only 4 generations removed >> from Charles MAY born 1778 in Edgefield County, SC which means their MRCA > is >> located at least three generation beyond that time frame - a GGF of > Charles >> MAY. This really pushes them back to some time in the 1600's and maybe > even >> back to the old country, where ever that was. >> Take MS Lucy's recent DNA test. She, also, got a 24/25 marker match > but >> this only indicates this person shared a MCRA at their 5th to 6th GGF > level. >> Since MS Lucy is only four generations removed from William DANIEL born > 1760 >> this means their MCRA was William DANIEL's GGF. That, was also a long > time >> ago. >> With a 25 marker test you should get a perfect match (25/25) with any >> person with whom you share a MCRA within the past seven generations. In >> simple terms, if you and they share, at least, a 5th GGF, you should get >> a >> perfect match. If you share a MCRA beyond that, the match will diminish, >> statistically. For most of us, that puts a perfect match well into the >> 1600's and I do not think we are searching for information much beyond > that, >> at least in this country. >> >> John R. Clarke >> Thomasville, GA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> >> >> > Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 >> > Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of >> > Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent >> > Mathew WHITFIELD. >> > Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. >> > Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL >> > >> > Judy Garner, >> > Sebring,FL >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> >> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM >> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> > >> > >> >> Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James >> >> Cooper? >> >> Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born >> >> 1797. >> >> He >> >> was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married >> >> before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of >> > Aaron >> >> Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). >> >> >> >> Judy Garner >> >> Sebring,FL >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM >> >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> >> >> >> >> >> > Good Morning, >> >> > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER >> > supposedly >> >> > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of >> >> Greene >> >> > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as > a >> >> > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in >> > 1807, >> >> > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... >> >> > >> >> > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me >> >> either >> >> > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. >> >> > >> >> > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an >> >> > IOW >> >> > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL >> >> > bunch >> > sure >> >> > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... >> >> > >> >> > <<< >> >> > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA >> >> > >> >> > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 >> >> > Wife: not named >> >> > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, >> > Nancy >> >> > Barnes >> >> > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, >> > James >> >> > Rice, John Gill >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > John R. Clarke >> >> > Thomasville, GA >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> >> > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List > Archives >> >> at: >> >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > families >> > or >> > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not >> > allowed on this list. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >> > the subject of a reply message. >> > >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

I take it John that your are stating your opinions and suspicions, and by the way, what's wrong with Radford, Lenoir, NC, being the birth place of Aaron Daniel? What list of children do you support for Ensign Aaron and Elizabeth Whitfield Daniel? According to Ingersol, page 414, Aaron was born in 1739 and died in 1790 in Cheraw District, SC. I am not a fan of Ingersol so your 1733 may be closer? I would also be interested in the dates of birth you have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? From lovely New Tampa, Florida. Payne "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Benjamin Disraeli ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Judy, > That is correct but Duplin and Sampson County, NC were not what I would > consider to be "normal stomping grounds" for the Lanier-Daniels. > Number one, this Moses has to be at least 16 to be witness of a deed and > that puts his DOB as 1749, probably closer to 1744, making him at least of > majority. This puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and not his son. There > is no Moses listed in the will of Thomas and Elizabeth DANIEL, is there? > We also have reports there was an Abraham DANIEL born prior to 1750 floating > around this bunch and that, too, puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and > also not his son. > You see we really do not know when Aaron was born, do we? Some say 1739 > but that is incorrect. He had to be born by 1733 not to be listed as a > minor in his father's 1749 will nor was he listed as a minor in his mother's > 1752 will, was he? That means that he was born at least by 1733, probably > before. > I also always go with the general rule of Southern families, as these > DANIELS were, that parents tend to name their children after a combination > of the given names of their father's and mother's families, with a few vogue > names thrown in from time to time. I also go with the general rule that > Yankee families went more towards Bible oriented given names, due to their > Puritan influence, than did most Southern folks. > Southerners, for the most part, have always gone with tradition, even > then. This does not mean there was not an occasional family where religion > dominated every part of their lives and they would name their children after > biblical characters because there were these occasional families. However, > for the most part Southern families were real big in naming their children > according to tradition and that tradition indicates they will use family > names for their chillen. > There were several Biblical names used in the WHITFIELDS that we know > of, Matthew and Luke, but their other given names are generally family > names. When you go back to the BRYANS, they re-use family names, like > water. There are hundreds of Rachels, Penelopes, Williams and Johns. Even > the WARRENS tended to re-use family names, as best I can tell. > So, when I look at what I would think would be the given names for Capt. > Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL's kids, I would look at some type of > combination of these names as possible given names for their children. Yet, > we do not see these names used in this family to any degree. That makes me > really wonder about this DANIEL family, assuming we believe the claims of > some of their descendants concerning the identity of their ancestors. > All of these Southern families of this era named their children in an > almost identical fashion. I cannot tell you how many Williams and Johns > there are in my families of this period and these were families that not > only lived right around these DANIELS but also had collateral links to them. > Without a will for either Aaron or Betsy, where their children are > actually named, or some type or other contemporary document outlining this > family to some degree, then what we see in POWG is highly suspect. Our > major problem, today, is not in actually researching these various lines but > in straightening out the mess of early family researchers who did not have > access to the documents we have available to us, today. > What these early researchers did was take "family myth" and force the > pieces of the known puzzle of the time into the holes on the board, whether > they actually fit or not. This is why you see both 10 and 60 year old > females giving birth to children. The problem is -- we now know they > skipped a generation or two in between. > Yet, there are those who will fight to keep their established genealogy, > even with faced with the impossibility of such an assignment, because a > change in that assignment would effect their membership in various > organizations. This is also why we have such a hodge-podge of DNA results > and why some of the stuff we see does not match what we would think because > the person who submitted the DNA was really not a descendant of the person > they think they descend from. > I was talking with a MAY cousin who is trying to track his MAY ancestry. > He got a 24/25 marker match with some fellow in TN but I told him a 24/25 > marker test only indicates they had a common ancestor within the past 8 > generations. I told him as close as he should have been to this person, he > should have had a 25/25 marker match because, at the most, both of them were > only 5 generations removed from their "most recent common ancestor" (MCRA). > I would almost guarantee you that my DNA would give a perfect 25/25 > match with someone from my RICHTER family in Germany if we were descended > from the same common Prussian ancestor, which is only five generations > removed for me. As for Joe's DNA test, he is only 4 generations removed > from Charles MAY born 1778 in Edgefield County, SC which means their MRCA is > located at least three generation beyond that time frame - a GGF of Charles > MAY. This really pushes them back to some time in the 1600's and maybe even > back to the old country, where ever that was. > Take MS Lucy's recent DNA test. She, also, got a 24/25 marker match but > this only indicates this person shared a MCRA at their 5th to 6th GGF level. > Since MS Lucy is only four generations removed from William DANIEL born 1760 > this means their MCRA was William DANIEL's GGF. That, was also a long time > ago. > With a 25 marker test you should get a perfect match (25/25) with any > person with whom you share a MCRA within the past seven generations. In > simple terms, if you and they share, at least, a 5th GGF, you should get a > perfect match. If you share a MCRA beyond that, the match will diminish, > statistically. For most of us, that puts a perfect match well into the > 1600's and I do not think we are searching for information much beyond that, > at least in this country. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > > Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 > > Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of > > Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent > > Mathew WHITFIELD. > > Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. > > Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL > > > > Judy Garner, > > Sebring,FL > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > > > >> Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James > >> Cooper? > >> Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born 1797. > >> He > >> was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married > >> before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of > > Aaron > >> Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). > >> > >> Judy Garner > >> Sebring,FL > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM > >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > >> > >> > >> > Good Morning, > >> > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER > > supposedly > >> > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of > >> Greene > >> > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a > >> > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in > > 1807, > >> > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... > >> > > >> > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me > >> either > >> > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. > >> > > >> > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an > >> > IOW > >> > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch > > sure > >> > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... > >> > > >> > <<< > >> > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA > >> > > >> > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 > >> > Wife: not named > >> > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, > > Nancy > >> > Barnes > >> > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, > > James > >> > Rice, John Gill > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > John R. Clarke > >> > Thomasville, GA > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > >> at: > >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > > or > > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > > allowed on this list. > >> > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >

Judy, That is correct but Duplin and Sampson County, NC were not what I would consider to be "normal stomping grounds" for the Lanier-Daniels. Number one, this Moses has to be at least 16 to be witness of a deed and that puts his DOB as 1749, probably closer to 1744, making him at least of majority. This puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and not his son. There is no Moses listed in the will of Thomas and Elizabeth DANIEL, is there? We also have reports there was an Abraham DANIEL born prior to 1750 floating around this bunch and that, too, puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and also not his son. You see we really do not know when Aaron was born, do we? Some say 1739 but that is incorrect. He had to be born by 1733 not to be listed as a minor in his father's 1749 will nor was he listed as a minor in his mother's 1752 will, was he? That means that he was born at least by 1733, probably before. I also always go with the general rule of Southern families, as these DANIELS were, that parents tend to name their children after a combination of the given names of their father's and mother's families, with a few vogue names thrown in from time to time. I also go with the general rule that Yankee families went more towards Bible oriented given names, due to their Puritan influence, than did most Southern folks. Southerners, for the most part, have always gone with tradition, even then. This does not mean there was not an occasional family where religion dominated every part of their lives and they would name their children after biblical characters because there were these occasional families. However, for the most part Southern families were real big in naming their children according to tradition and that tradition indicates they will use family names for their chillen. There were several Biblical names used in the WHITFIELDS that we know of, Matthew and Luke, but their other given names are generally family names. When you go back to the BRYANS, they re-use family names, like water. There are hundreds of Rachels, Penelopes, Williams and Johns. Even the WARRENS tended to re-use family names, as best I can tell. So, when I look at what I would think would be the given names for Capt. Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL's kids, I would look at some type of combination of these names as possible given names for their children. Yet, we do not see these names used in this family to any degree. That makes me really wonder about this DANIEL family, assuming we believe the claims of some of their descendants concerning the identity of their ancestors. All of these Southern families of this era named their children in an almost identical fashion. I cannot tell you how many Williams and Johns there are in my families of this period and these were families that not only lived right around these DANIELS but also had collateral links to them. Without a will for either Aaron or Betsy, where their children are actually named, or some type or other contemporary document outlining this family to some degree, then what we see in POWG is highly suspect. Our major problem, today, is not in actually researching these various lines but in straightening out the mess of early family researchers who did not have access to the documents we have available to us, today. What these early researchers did was take "family myth" and force the pieces of the known puzzle of the time into the holes on the board, whether they actually fit or not. This is why you see both 10 and 60 year old females giving birth to children. The problem is -- we now know they skipped a generation or two in between. Yet, there are those who will fight to keep their established genealogy, even with faced with the impossibility of such an assignment, because a change in that assignment would effect their membership in various organizations. This is also why we have such a hodge-podge of DNA results and why some of the stuff we see does not match what we would think because the person who submitted the DNA was really not a descendant of the person they think they descend from. I was talking with a MAY cousin who is trying to track his MAY ancestry. He got a 24/25 marker match with some fellow in TN but I told him a 24/25 marker test only indicates they had a common ancestor within the past 8 generations. I told him as close as he should have been to this person, he should have had a 25/25 marker match because, at the most, both of them were only 5 generations removed from their "most recent common ancestor" (MCRA). I would almost guarantee you that my DNA would give a perfect 25/25 match with someone from my RICHTER family in Germany if we were descended from the same common Prussian ancestor, which is only five generations removed for me. As for Joe's DNA test, he is only 4 generations removed from Charles MAY born 1778 in Edgefield County, SC which means their MRCA is located at least three generation beyond that time frame - a GGF of Charles MAY. This really pushes them back to some time in the 1600's and maybe even back to the old country, where ever that was. Take MS Lucy's recent DNA test. She, also, got a 24/25 marker match but this only indicates this person shared a MCRA at their 5th to 6th GGF level. Since MS Lucy is only four generations removed from William DANIEL born 1760 this means their MCRA was William DANIEL's GGF. That, was also a long time ago. With a 25 marker test you should get a perfect match (25/25) with any person with whom you share a MCRA within the past seven generations. In simple terms, if you and they share, at least, a 5th GGF, you should get a perfect match. If you share a MCRA beyond that, the match will diminish, statistically. For most of us, that puts a perfect match well into the 1600's and I do not think we are searching for information much beyond that, at least in this country. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 > Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of > Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent > Mathew WHITFIELD. > Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. > Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL > > Judy Garner, > Sebring,FL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > >> Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James >> Cooper? >> Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born 1797. >> He >> was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married >> before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of > Aaron >> Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). >> >> Judy Garner >> Sebring,FL >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> >> >> > Good Morning, >> > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER > supposedly >> > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of >> Greene >> > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a >> > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in > 1807, >> > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... >> > >> > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me >> either >> > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. >> > >> > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an >> > IOW >> > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch > sure >> > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... >> > >> > <<< >> > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA >> > >> > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 >> > Wife: not named >> > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, > Nancy >> > Barnes >> > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, > James >> > Rice, John Gill >> > >> > >> > >> > John R. Clarke >> > Thomasville, GA >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives >> at: >> > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> > >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. >

Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent Mathew WHITFIELD. Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL Judy Garner, Sebring,FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James Cooper? > Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born 1797. He > was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married > before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of Aaron > Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). > > Judy Garner > Sebring,FL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > > Good Morning, > > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER supposedly > > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of > Greene > > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a > > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in 1807, > > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... > > > > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me > either > > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. > > > > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an IOW > > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch sure > > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... > > > > <<< > > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA > > > > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 > > Wife: not named > > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, Nancy > > Barnes > > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, James > > Rice, John Gill > > > > > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

Judy, Yes, that is what got my attention since I too know of those MOORE links in this family. However, there is one thing you have to remember about the kids of Capt. Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL. There is not one shred of documentary evidence to support the assignment of any of these kids to the family of Aaron and Betsy. As much as many of these families "cooked de books" on this family when they gave their stuff to Folks HUXFORD, we cannot rely on anything from POWG, without some means of substantiating at least some of it. I think John of Pulaski County referenced one of his brothers in a deed, it might have been Abraham or maybe one of the others, but that is the only instance that I know of where we have any proof who they were and their relationship with each other. The rest is noting but a guess, at best...... If this is indeed the Abraham DANIEL we are thinking about, then I think we really need to re-think the assignments of lots of these DANIEL boys. I have always felt something was amiss in this DANIEL family, I just did not know what it was. This may be it..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James Cooper? > Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born 1797. He > was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married > before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of > Aaron > Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). > > Judy Garner > Sebring,FL > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > >> Good Morning, >> I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER >> supposedly >> married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of > Greene >> County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a >> son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in >> 1807, >> as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... >> >> Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me > either >> that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. >> >> However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an IOW >> DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch >> sure >> looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... >> >> <<< >> Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA >> >> COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 >> Wife: not named >> Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, >> Nancy >> Barnes >> Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, >> James >> Rice, John Gill >> >> >> >> John R. Clarke >> Thomasville, GA >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. >

Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to James Cooper? Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born 1797. He was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the son of Aaron Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). Judy Garner Sebring,FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > Good Morning, > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER supposedly > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in 1807, > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... > > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me either > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. > > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an IOW > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch sure > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... > > <<< > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA > > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 > Wife: not named > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, Nancy > Barnes > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, James > Rice, John Gill > > > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

I ran across this and hope it can help someone. Michelle TN Pension Roll of 1835 COPIED AND INDEXED BY: WILLIAM R. NAVEY P. O. BOX 251 HOLLY RIDGE, NC 28445 BENJAMIN W. DANIEL STEWART COUNTY PRIVATE NORTH CAROLINA MILITIA $20.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE $60.00 AMOUNT RECEIVED JULY 9, 1833 PENSION STARTED AGE 87 JAMES DANIEL DICKSON COUNTY CORPORAL WILLIAMSON'S MILITIA $48.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE $360.00 AMOUNT RECEIVED JANUARY 11, 1827 PENSION STARTED JESSE DANIEL LINCOLN COUNTY PRIVATE WEST TENNESSEE MILITIA $96.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE $1,938.13 AMOUNT RECEIVED MARCH 21,1820 -------- WILLIAM DARNELL JACKSON COUNTY PRIVATE - SERGEANT NORTH CAROLINA LINE $80.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE $240.00 AMOUNT RECEIVED SEPTEMBER 11, 1833 PENSION STARTED AGE 83 _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp

Yes, when they cross the Mason-Dixon line they seem to be forgotten by a lot of southern families. Don't ask me why I think this but I think quite a few Southern lines moved into Ohio, Indiana and Illinois when they opened up for settlement. I know some of my RENEAUS, after a short stop in Wilson County, TN ended up in Harrison County, IN. I also know my 4th GGF was buried there and I also know that RENEAU/RENO cousins fought on opposite sides in the CW. In fact two of them fought against one another at the Battle of South Mountain, MD on Sept 14, 1862 and they both died there. I also know a lot of northern families moved south in the same time frame and ended up fighting for the South during the CW and I am sure some of them fought against their Yankee cousins. Such was the way this country was settled where loyalty was to the state you lived in and not where you came from. . As for the name Pleasant, I saw quite a few instances of this name in some recent early deeds in Baldwin County, GA, usually as a middle name, which makes me think it may have been some type of Quaker moniker. You know, kind of like Relief, Patience, etc. Just a thought. This seems to match the Quaker migration which begin about 1800 as they moved to the new Ohio Territory after it opened up. These folks were very anti-slavery which is why they moved north. After they got there I am sure more than a handful of them became Methodists, too, because that was the general religious transformation that most Methodists underwent - Quaker -> Methodist....... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Pleasant Moore and Miriam Daniels > I'm sending this trough Moore, Daniels and Indiana lists. > > I'm at a dead end with my great-great-grandparents. I would like to get > information on there parents and more information on them. > Pleasant Moore and Miriam Daniels. > I know that Pleasant Moore went by J. P. or Pleasant, he was born about > 1831 in Indiana. He was married at least 2 times. He possibly served > during the Civil War. As for Miriam Daniels, her full name is Lamira > Ellin Daniels. She was born about 1833 in Indiana. She may have died > before 1874, but I know that she was alive in 1868 when my > great-grandfather was born. > > Information that I have: > -1860 Census, Indiana, Sullivan Co., Turmantownship (Ancestry.com-Image) > -----Head of household Pleasant Moore, 29 yrs, Farmer, born in Indiana > -----Wife Miriam E. Moore, 27 yrs, born in Indiana > -----Son William W. Moore, 8 yrs, born in Indiana > -----Son James Moore, 5 yrs, born in Indiana > -----Daughter Lydia F. Moore, 3 yrs, born in Indiana > -----Son John M. Moore, 2 yrs, born in Indiana > -Sullivan Co., Indiana Marriage license (Document) my > great-great-grandparents > -----Pleasant Moore and Lamira Ellin Daniels > -----June 17, 1852 > -Sullivan Co., Indiana Marriage license (Document) > -----Pleasant Moore and Susan Kirkendall > -----October 26, 1874 > -American Civil War Soldiers (Ancestry.com-Database/I'm not sure on this > one) > -----Pleasant Moore, Sullivan Co., Indiana > -----Enlistment Date June 12, 1861, Union, Private in Company I, 17th > Infantry Regiment > -----Mustered out June 20, 1864, Union, Private in Company I, 17th > Infantry Regiment > -Indiana Marriage Application (Document) my great-grandparents > -----Pleasant Moore of Turman Township, 27 yrs, parents are Pleasant Moore > and Miriam Daniels > -----Cora B. Dix of Hamiltontownship, 18 yrs, parents are David F. Dix and > Jemima Ogle > -Picture of Pleasant Moore (Hand writing at top) > -----J. P. Moore > -Family Information (Dorothy Moore-my grandfather's second wife) my > great-grandfather > -----Pleasant Ulysses S. Grant Moore born June 12, 1868 in Indiana > > Suzanne VanCleave > Federal Heights, Colorado > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >

I'm sending this trough Moore, Daniels and Indiana lists. I'm at a dead end with my great-great-grandparents. I would like to get information on there parents and more information on them. Pleasant Moore and Miriam Daniels. I know that Pleasant Moore went by J. P. or Pleasant, he was born about 1831 in Indiana. He was married at least 2 times. He possibly served during the Civil War. As for Miriam Daniels, her full name is Lamira Ellin Daniels. She was born about 1833 in Indiana. She may have died before 1874, but I know that she was alive in 1868 when my great-grandfather was born. Information that I have: -1860 Census, Indiana, Sullivan Co., Turmantownship (Ancestry.com-Image) -----Head of household Pleasant Moore, 29 yrs, Farmer, born in Indiana -----Wife Miriam E. Moore, 27 yrs, born in Indiana -----Son William W. Moore, 8 yrs, born in Indiana -----Son James Moore, 5 yrs, born in Indiana -----Daughter Lydia F. Moore, 3 yrs, born in Indiana -----Son John M. Moore, 2 yrs, born in Indiana -Sullivan Co., Indiana Marriage license (Document) my great-great-grandparents -----Pleasant Moore and Lamira Ellin Daniels -----June 17, 1852 -Sullivan Co., Indiana Marriage license (Document) -----Pleasant Moore and Susan Kirkendall -----October 26, 1874 -American Civil War Soldiers (Ancestry.com-Database/I'm not sure on this one) -----Pleasant Moore, Sullivan Co., Indiana -----Enlistment Date June 12, 1861, Union, Private in Company I, 17th Infantry Regiment -----Mustered out June 20, 1864, Union, Private in Company I, 17th Infantry Regiment -Indiana Marriage Application (Document) my great-grandparents -----Pleasant Moore of Turman Township, 27 yrs, parents are Pleasant Moore and Miriam Daniels -----Cora B. Dix of Hamiltontownship, 18 yrs, parents are David F. Dix and Jemima Ogle -Picture of Pleasant Moore (Hand writing at top) -----J. P. Moore -Family Information (Dorothy Moore-my grandfather's second wife) my great-grandfather -----Pleasant Ulysses S. Grant Moore born June 12, 1868 in Indiana Suzanne VanCleave Federal Heights, Colorado

Good Morning, I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER supposedly married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this will as a son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, GA in 1807, as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to tell me either that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham was an IOW DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL bunch sure looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... <<< Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 Wife: not named Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry McGintry, Nancy Barnes Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. Waller, James Rice, John Gill John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

This may be Ephraim's family because they were located pretty near Kenneth DANIEL in 1860. Ephraim died ABT 1850, according to my notes. Please correct my original listing of Scottsboro because they both actually lived in Salem, Baldwin County, GA 1860 Salem, Baldwin County, GA Census, Page 225 1860 22 745 688 Daniel Mary E. 60 M 10,000 27,500 SC 1860 23 745 688 Daniel Arabella 25 F GA 1860 24 745 688 Daniel James 23 M Overseer GA 1860 25 745 688 Daniel Augustus 15 M GA 1 You can review this whole page at: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/baldwin/census/1860/salem.txt John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

This may help out some who are researching the William DANIEL and Elizabeth SKINNER family of Washington County, GA 1860 Scottsboro, Baldwin County, GA Census, Page 225 1860 27 735 679 Daniel Keneth 61 M 160 500 SC 1 1860 28 735 679 Daniel Elizabeth 63 F GA 1 1860 29 735 679 Daniel William G. 25 M Wheel Wright 2,100 GA 1860 30 735 679 Daniel Sarah J. 22 F GA John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Who was Stephen Jr's grand father -- that is the 64,000 dollar question. We know he had an uncle, David, and that Stephen married Rhoda IRWIN at David's home which, as I remember, was in FL or Southern AL. We know that Stephen's father was also named Stephen and he was married to a Frecea BARNES. We also know that Stephen, Jr. was born ABT 1792 and he married both Rhoda and Nancy IRWIN. d/o Gen. James Lawson IRWIN and Rebecca SESSIONS of Washington County, GA and formerly of Mecklenburg County, NC. We also know quite a bit about the IRWINS, they were originally from Ireland and James's brother was Gen. Jared IRWIN (1750-1818) for whom Irwin County, GA is named. We also know the IRWIN and ERWIN names seem to be the same. I also know the BARNES family of Edgecombe County, NC is all over the DANIEL family of that area. I also know there was a Robert ERWIN in Greene County, NC and he could well be related to your IRWINS. I also know that my GGA, Nancy DANIEL (1799-1862) married a Richard ERWIN (ABt 1795-BEF 1827) as her first husband. After his death, she married Frederick Wadsworth WISE, son of John WISE and Nancy WADSWORTH of Greene County, NC, later Richmond County, GA. Her younger sister, Sarah Elizabeth DANIEL (1804-1872) married Frederick's brother, Thomas C. WISE (1799-1849). However, Nancy and Richard ERWIN had one child that survived, Elizabeth Ann ERWIN (1825-1885) and she married James Robert TINLEY, Sr. (1721-1845) of Burke County, GA and after his death she married, Robert R. VALLOTTON of Burke County, GA, later they were of.Grovetown, Columbia County, GA. Nancy DANIEL also had a brother, Chesley C. DANIEL born ABT 1815 who lived in Washington County, GA. He was married to an Anne (b. ABT 1817) and they had children named Robert B. DANIEL, Sarah Adeline DANIEL, Isabella Virginia DANIEL, Mary A. DANIEL, Ella C. DANIEL and Emma C. DANIEL born in the 1838-1856 time frame. According to my information this Chesley moved from Burke to Washington County, GA AFT 1850 where some say he ran a hotel but that is unconfirmed. We do know that Chesley and Councill were common names in this DANIEL family. Does any of this sound familiar? Do you have any LANES around your bunch? John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Katco763@aol.com> To: <GAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [GAWASHIN] roll call > Hi! Thought I'd throw part of my family in. Stephen DANIEL married > Rhoda > IRWIN; after Rhoda's death, Stephen married her sister, Nancy IRWIN. I > have > info on the IRWIN family, but was wondering if anyone could tell me more > about > the DANIEL family. Thanks! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Thomas, my boy, it is nice to hear from you. I have some of your information but some I did not have. I am very interested in your SANDERS. Are they out of Northampton County, NC and are they tied to the HART family of that location, as well as those in Surry County, VA?. I am also pretty sure we are cousins of some variety. I know your DANIEL family and where they connect to and I am not against the proposition that your ancestor, Benjamin DANIEL, and my ancestor, Robert DANIEL, were not brothers or at least, cousins of some type. Anyway, you are family. My DANIEL bunch lived in Burke and Jefferson County, GA but I too, had a Lucretia DANIEL as a sister of my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL (1809-1865) of Bethany, now Wadley, Jefferson County, GA. If you are familiar with Wadley, where Robert lived, then Jimmy TARVER is a cousin of mine. He descends from Lucretia DANIEL (1807-1849) and William Allen TARVER, Sr. His father was Dr. TARVER of Wadley. FYI, you only descend from Benjamin DANIEL RS-GA but also John BURGAMY RS-GA that was hung by Col. BROWNE after the Battle of Augusta in 1781. I am sure Benjamin fought in the same battle but escaped the "rope party" that BROWNE held for those who he had captured after the battle. You also descend from Benjamin's father, Capt. Aaron DANIEL RS-SC and his wife, Elizabeth WHITFIED, so you have more than on Revolutionary War ancestor. I have also thought for a long time that MS Lucy GRAY's DANIEL family of Jackson County, FL was related to mine. Her ancestor was William DANIEL and Betsy WATTS, d/o John WATTS of SC. I know that John WATTS was in SC and we also know that Capt. Aaron DANIEL (ABT 1733-1800) died in the Cheraw Area of SC in 1800 and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL a few years later. However, we have no will or deeds outlining this specific DANIEL family and all assignments to him are questionable, w/o a will or deed to back them up. POWG has assigned, erroneously, many DANIELS to Capt. Aaron and Betsy, that we know for a fact. We are generally sure of several of their children -- John, Benjamin, Abraham and Aaron, Jr but the others that have been linked to him are questionable. We do know that Capt. Enoch DANIEL who married Sarah DELL was not a son of Capt. Aaron DANIEL and Betsy WHITFIELD but was his nephew. . That said, the LANGLEYS you list interest me and I am sure they interests MS Lucy because her grandmother was Octavia Lavinia LANGLEY, d/o Rev. Thomas Edward LANGLEY (1834-1890) and Lavinia Ann NORWOOD of Chipley, Washington County, FL. Rev. LANGLEY was the son of Isaiah Jeremiah LANGLEY (1809-1851) and Caroline CALLAWAY, d/o Edward CALLAWAY (1781-AFT 1854) and Elizabeth SPRATLING of Monroe County, GA, formerly of Wilkes County, GA, later Macon County, AL. I have CALLAWAYS attached to my bunch, too, through the FITZPATRICKS of Madison, Morgan County, GA. Her DANIEL ancestors, as I have stated, were William DANIEL and Betsy WATTS, through their son, Josiah DANIEL (1804/1805-1863) and Sarah Ann Caroline CALLAWAY of Campbellton, Jackson County, FL. Notice the CAMPBELL name because it plays into this overall DANIEL Family, too. Sarah Ann Caroline CALLAWAY was the d/o the Hon. Elijah Hosea CALLAWAY and Elizabeth BANKS of Emanuel County, GA, later Jackson County, FL. It seems this whole DANIEL and their CALLAWAY collaterals, picked up stakes in Washington County, GA and moved to Jackson County, FL in the 1825 time frame. I am not sure who the father of William DANIEL born ABT 1760 was. I like two possibilities. He was a son of Aaron and Betsy or he was a son of Josiah DANIEL and Elizabeth MAY of Jasper County, SC. Regardless, Lucy is family to both of us, that, I am pretty sure.... Speaking of your BRANTLEYS. Did you know that Joseph and Lucy had a sons named, Benjamin, Solomon, Aaron and Moses BRANTLEY? Almost an exact copy of the children of Capt. Aaron DANIEL that we know of and can confirm. I am also a BRANTLEY descendant. My maternal 6th GGF was John BRANTLEY III (ABT 1729-AFTY 1786) and his wife, Elizabeth CLAY of Edgecombe County, NC, later Nash County, NC. They tie into my RICKS, THIGPEN and DAME family. However, my DANIEL ancestors are a paternal line. My paternal grandmother was Alice E. DANIEL (1854-1924), the daughter of Robert W. DANIEL, Esq. and Mary Jane RENEAU (1830-1912) of Bethany, now Wadley, Jefferson County, GA. She married John C. RICHTER, Sr. (1848-1907) of Madison, Morgan County, GA in 1872 in Madison. Their marriage was performed by Dr. David WILLS, President of Oglethorpe University, then located in Milledgeville, GA. Alice's grandparents were Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) and Penelope LANE (1773-1846) of the 65th MD of Burke County, GA. They had moved there from Greene County, NC in 1812, according to her 1846 obit, as published in the Southern Christian Advocate. Penelope's father was Capt. Isham LANE (1730-1801) and her mother was probably a BRYAN(T) but that is unconfirmed, some say DAWSON I do not know who the father of this Robert DANIEL was but my best guess is either Aaron and Betsy or Aaron's first cousin, Robert DANIEL and his wife, Mary SWAIN. However, he could be out of that Northampton County, NC bunch but they are still family, albeit from a different line. If you have any thoughts on any of this, I would like to hear them. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Sanders" <jb.jj@juno.com> To: <GAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:42 AM Subject: Re: [GAWASHIN] ROLL CALL: Washington County Families > MY WASHINGTON FAMILY CONSIST OF: > > JOHN NEWTON GILMORE-WIFE LAURA TUCKER GILMORE > CHILDREN WERE: HARPER TUCKER GILMORE, ANNIE BELLE GILMORE (MARRIED > BENJAMIN FLEMING JORDAN), THEY HAD 3 CHILDREN LAURA VICTORIA, FRANCES, > JOHN. JOHN WAS MARRIED TO EDNA KIMBROOK AND THEY HAD NO CHILDREN, > FRANCES MARRIED RICHARD HUNTOON (DICK) AND THEY HAD FRANCES AND DICK, > LAURA VICTORIA (LAUTORIA) MARRIED ANDREW BROADDUS ESTES III AND HAD TWO > CHILDREN, ANDREW B. IV AND BENJAMIN GILMORE ESTES. > > OTHER CHILDREN WERE, JOHN THOMAS GILMORE, SAMUEL GILMORE MARY MILDRED > GILMORE, BENJAMIN C. GILMORE,. SARAH FRANCES GILMORE (MARRIED MERT > TINSLEY, NO CHILDREN) LOLLIE GILMORE, MARRIED WILLIAM HOVEY SMITH, ONE > CHILD MARY LOLLIE, MARRIED ARTHUR CRAFT JACKSON, (HAD 2 CHILDREN, MARGIE > AND JACK) AND HORACE BRANTLEY GILMORE. > > NEXT FAMILY IS BENJAMIN FLEMING JORDAN, MARRIED MARTHA ANDERSON (DAUGHTER > OF WILLIAM QUARLES ANDERSON AND SOPHIA WALKER) THEIR CHILDREN WERE: > LALLA LOU JORDAN, NORMA VICTORIA, EDWIN BOWEN, NANNILINE (MARRIED A > BARNETT) LESLIE (MARRIED OBER), BENJAMIN MARRIED ANNIE BELLE JORDAN. > (CHILDREN ABOVE) > > NEXT FAMILY: BRANTLEY. MY GGGRANDFATHER WAS BENJAMIN DANIEL BRANTLEY. > HE WAS BORN JOSEPH DANIEL BRANTLEY BUT HIS NAME WAS CHANGED 3 WEEKS AFTER > HE WAS BORN TO BENJAMIN. HIS FATHER BENJAMIN DIED THREE WEEKS AFTER HE > WAS BORN AND HIS MOTHER ELIZABETH DANIEL CHANGED IT TO BENJAMIN TO HONOR > HER HUSBAND. BENJAMIN'S GRANDPARENTS WERE JOSEPH AND LUCY BRANTLEY. > JOSEPH WAS A SOLDIER IN THE CONTINENTAL ARMY UNDER GENERAL NATHANIAL > GREEN. > > BENJAMIN DANIEL BRANTLEY MARRIED JANET bAKER mCrAE THE DAUGTHER OF > CHISTOPHER AND CHISTIAN MARAE OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY. THEIR CHILDREN WERE > CHRISTIAN ELIZABETH, (MARRIED JOHN PURDOM) MARGARET LUCRETIA, (MARRIED > ANDREW BROADDUS ESTES III) (MY FATHER IS ANDREW B. ESTES IV AND STILL > LIVES IN THE HOUSE THAT MARGARET AND ANDREW B. BUILT) WILLIAM GORDON > (MARRIED JANE KATE WESTBROOK ) AND LATER MARY GEORGE LINN), ARCHIBALD > PHILLIP (MARRIED ELLA FOREACRE), BENJAMIN DUNCAN (MARRIED ANNA POMEROY) > JOHN THOMAS , MARRIED HARRIETTE CAMP, AND JEANETTE HARIET MARRIED LEE > JEFFERSON LANGLEY. > > BENJAMIN DANIEL BRANTLEY'S SIBLINGS WERE: JAMES,NATHANIEL GREEN, > WILLIAM BOR JAN 8, 1816 MARRIED LUCRETIA HERSY, AND HESTER ANN BRACEWELL, > HARIETT ELIZABETH, MARRIED JAMES HUDSON, MARY LUCRETIA, MARRY JOHN MCRAE, > > > BENJAMIN DANIEL BRANTLEY IS THE NAMESAKE OF THE BRANTLEY COUNTY, IN GA. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >