Using the search engine at http://www.cem.va.gov/locate.htm this is the only James DANIELL that was found. His dates do not match any of my folks. Hope this helps another researcher. Robert DANIELL, JAMES CPL US ARMY VETERAN SERVICE DATES: 02/25/1918 - 07/05/1919 DATE OF BIRTH: 08/10/1891 DATE OF DEATH: 10/09/1958 DATE OF INTERMENT: 10/16/1958 BURIED AT: SECTION W SITE 780 CHATTANOOGA NATIONAL CEMETERY 1200 BAILEY AVENUE CHATTANOOGA , TN 37404 (423) 855-6590

Mike, Hillary CASON, Sr. was married to Sarah Barrow ORMAND, d/o Wyriott ORMAND and Penelope BARROW, according to my information. Hillary and Sarah's chillen are below. I thought she was a BARROW, too, for a long time but she was not a BARROW, her mother was. Hillary CASON is not on the 1790 census, that I can find, because I remember, somewhere reading, that he moved to GA ABT 1790. I know he was in Pitt in 1779/1780 but I do not have any information on him after that date. I also would not bet against that ORMAND bunch being related to my old football coach, Ormand ANDERSON because I know this whole bunch was around the ANDERSONS, later, over in Richmond County, GA. The last I heard, Coach ANDERSON was the coach and principal down at Griffin, GA High School but that was years ago. I remember one time when I beat the snap and flat nailed the opposing quarterback from my safety position. Coach Anderson did not say anything about the five yard penalty I had cost us, either. All he said was "nice hit, Clarke, but next time wait until he gets the ball." That's the kind of coach he was, a successful one, too, and an inspiration to all of us. From what I see of high school athletics, they do not make them like Ormand Anderson, even if he was an old Auburn boy......... <grin> <<< Children Gabriel Cason b: 1764 in Pitt County, North Carolina Death: 1836 Dennis Cason b: 1770 in Georgia Death: 1845 Marriage 1 Jency Black or CONNER b: ABT. 1775 William Cason b: 1772 Wyriott Cason b: 1776 Death: 1852 Marriage 1 Susannah JONES Married: 8 MAY 1807 Marriage 2 Sarah BLACK Married: 12 NOV 1825 Frederick Cason b: 1777 Death: 1840 Marriage 1 Elizabeth WILLIAMS b: ABT. 1786 Married: 1806 Hillery Jr. Cason b: 3 APR 1779 in Georgia Marriage 1 Mary SMITH b: ABT. 1784 Jane Cason b: 1780 Death: ABT. 1825 Marriage 1 William CONE b: 24 DEC 1777 Willis Cason b: 1786 in Pitt County, North Carolina Death: OCT 1849 Marriage 1 Abigail ? Willoughby Cason b: 1789 Death: MAR 1865 Marriage 1 Mary CONNER b: 3 JUL 1847 Marriage 2 Elizabeth Hadley YARBROUGH Henry CASON b: 1792 >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Hillary CASON > In a message dated 4/14/2004 12:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jclarke@rose.net writes: > I do not know if that is Hillary CASON or not. It is probably Henry CASON > born 1732, John's brother but that is just a guess. Hillary is not listed > anywhere on this census which may mean he has already removed to Screven > County, GA. > . > John, > > Hillary is in Pitt in 1790. Here he is with his immediate neighbors. My > guess is that James BARROW is some relation to Hillary's wife Sarah > BARROW. > > Rix, Edmund, 1,3,1,0,4 > Hodges, Benjamin, 1,1,4,1,5 > Barrow, James, 1,1,1,0,8 > Cason, Hilary, 6,3,2,0,7 > Cucksaul, Abler, 1,2,2,0,0 > Wichard, Anthony, 1,0,3,0,0 > Moore, John, 1,0,4,0,0 > > As well as the Casons (Henrys) your post listed I find William and Joseph > living alone and of course John. If Rootsweb is to be believed these > CASON boys > are all sons of William CASON who supposedly died in Beaufort Co. in the > 1750's. Perusing some Pitt Co. deeds there is (in 1793) a Frances CASON > who was > not listed on the 1790 census unless he was son of one of the other boys. > They > all seemed to congregate around the same waterway (Grindal Cr., a trib of > the > Tar River) surrounded by Hattons, Allbrittons, ADAMS and all the DANIEL > boys > (George, Wilie, Robert, Robert Lanier -neither listed on 1790 census, > Lanier, > Thomas). I am beginning to have suspicions that Robert & Robert Lanier > (seen > in deeds) are the same person. > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >

In a message dated 4/14/2004 12:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jclarke@rose.net writes: I do not know if that is Hillary CASON or not. It is probably Henry CASON born 1732, John's brother but that is just a guess. Hillary is not listed anywhere on this census which may mean he has already removed to Screven County, GA. . John, Hillary is in Pitt in 1790. Here he is with his immediate neighbors. My guess is that James BARROW is some relation to Hillary's wife Sarah BARROW. Rix, Edmund, 1,3,1,0,4 Hodges, Benjamin, 1,1,4,1,5 Barrow, James, 1,1,1,0,8 Cason, Hilary, 6,3,2,0,7 Cucksaul, Abler, 1,2,2,0,0 Wichard, Anthony, 1,0,3,0,0 Moore, John, 1,0,4,0,0 As well as the Casons (Henrys) your post listed I find William and Joseph living alone and of course John. If Rootsweb is to be believed these CASON boys are all sons of William CASON who supposedly died in Beaufort Co. in the 1750's. Perusing some Pitt Co. deeds there is (in 1793) a Frances CASON who was not listed on the 1790 census unless he was son of one of the other boys. They all seemed to congregate around the same waterway (Grindal Cr., a trib of the Tar River) surrounded by Hattons, Allbrittons, ADAMS and all the DANIEL boys (George, Wilie, Robert, Robert Lanier -neither listed on 1790 census, Lanier, Thomas). I am beginning to have suspicions that Robert & Robert Lanier (seen in deeds) are the same person. Mike Daniel

Hi, Jones County, GA was not in the 1805 Land Lottery but what was included was the first five land districts of Baldwin County, GA and Jones County was created from Baldwin County in 1807 but I do not know which Land Districts were moved in Jones County. This was basically a headright lottery in that one had to live in GA for over a year to draw in this1st GA lottery. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul and Marce" <paul_mar@bellsouth.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine Also, I have been told by a CASON researcher that John CASON made a deed of gift to his grandson, William DANIEL of land in Jones County, Georgia that he drew in the 1805 land lottery as a resident of Burke County. I have not located or verified this record. Colson ADAMS was the brother of my GGGGrandfather, Peter ADAMS. Peter married Lydia Ann LNU (evidence points to Lydia Ann also being a CASON). Peter's GGranddaughter, Rachel Viola ADAMS married my GGrandfather, Francis Marion DANIEL. Francis's father, James Wesley DANIEL married Mary Elizabeth WATKINS, and her line can also be found in Pitt, Edgecombe, and Duplin Counties. Mary's G-grandfather, William WATKINS can be found in Pitt records and this line also married into the CASON line. As such, my interest in placing all the Robert DANIELs is strong, as I feel that one of them is my line. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine > Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from > my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert > DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current > position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been > Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as > follows: > > M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love > and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. > > Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with > Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), > transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. > > M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 > Former owners...John CASON... > > In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his > daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before > Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. > > Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more > persuading records come to light. > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Listers, please change the subject line once you change topics. It's not too hard to do. I'm sure that many emails don't get read and are deleted because the subject line doesn't interest the reader or pertain to their family line. You may miss out on an important link because you didn't take the time to change the subject. Gerald Daniel

Mike, Thomas DANIEL - could be. This is what I have from the 1790 Pitt County, NC census. However, in 1790 Thomas DANIEL had no kids living with him, did he? He had a wife but no kids. That could mean his chillen were all grown up, were dead or he and his wife never had any chillen. <<< MOZE, GARDNER ............ 1 1 3 2 1 DANIEL, THOMAS ........... 1 1 - - 2 DANIEL, LANIER ........... 1 - 1 - 1 DANIEL, ROBERT ........... 2 1 1 - 15 ADAMS, CALSTON ........... 1 3 3 - 5 CASON, HENRY, SR. ........ 2 - 3 - 7 <<< That is Gardner MOYE and Cason ADAMS on either side of these three Lanier-Daniels. I do not know if that is Hillary CASON or not. It is probably Henry CASON born 1732, John's brother but that is just a guess. Hillary is not listed anywhere on this census which may mean he has already removed to Screven County, GA. . However, notice the entry for Robert DANIEL, who I assume was RLD, see the three boys with Robert - two free males over 16,one free male under 16 and a free female (the wife). I think RLD married twice, first to Jemimah, whomever, and second to the CASON girl. Since Thomas would have been his uncle, it would have been normal for him to be on any deeds of this bunch, would it not? This is another DANIEL bunch on this 1790 Pitt County, NC census that I am interested in, as well as the above. It appears to be part of the previous bunch with Henry CASON living right next door to Robert DANNALS but the Lemuel JAMES entry also interests me, too. <<< JOLLY, PETER ............. 3 5 4 - - PERKINS, DAVID ........... 1 2 2 - 9 DANNELS, ROBERT .......... 2 1 1 - 10 JAMES, LEMUEL ............ 1 - 3 - - CASON, HENRY ............. 4 - 3 - 6 CONGLETON, WILLIAM ....... 2 2 4 - - LOCK, JOHN ............... 1 - 3 - - >>> Hillary CASON (1737-1814), who married the daughter of an ORMAND and a BARROW, also moved to Screven County, GA and we do know who lived just across the Savannah River in Jasper County, SC -- Josiah DANIEL, the MAYS, TISONS and the STAFFORDS. This bunch also seems to tie into many of the same surnames we see tied to this overall bunch back in NC, WILLIAMS, SMITH, CONNER and JONES. As for Gardner MOYE, he was the son of George MOYE, Jr. and Elizabeth GARDNER and a brother of George MOYE III who married Sarah BRADBURY. Sister, Mildred MOYE married Jehu TISON,. s/o John TISON and Bethany HINES of Pitt County, NC. One of the sons of George III and Sarah was Benajah A. MOYE of Jefferson County, GA and guess who is cutting deeds for Benajah in the 1850's -- my GGF, Robert W. DANIEL (1809-1865). Benajah also married Vienna Augusta MARSHALL and these MARSHALLS and my DANIEL bunch were very close. My GGU, James L. DANIEL, Robert's younger brother, was the executor in 1845 for the estate of Anne MARSHALL, Vienna's grandmother. So, it all smells to be the same bunch - it is the actual layout we do not know. I will also bet Elizabeth GARDNER, d/o John GARDNER (ABt 1700-1749) and Elizabeth SMITHWICK (ABt 1700-AFT 1749) of Tyrrell County, NC, was related to the Isaac GARDNER of Greene/Wayne County, NC who married Bethany LANE (b. ABT 1775), my Penelope LANE's (1773-1846) sister - the mother of Robert W. and James Lane DANIEL. Notice also were the Bethany name came from -- Bethany HINES (1725-1792), the wife of John TISON. Elizabeth SMITHWICK was the d/o Samuel SMITHWICK and Mary SWAIN and these other SMITHWICKS you see around this bunch are her half-siblings. Their mother was a WARREN, Samuel's other wife. Jehu TISON (1750-1800) of Anson County, NC was the brother of Samuel TISON, Sr. (1744-1771) who married Elizabeth MAY (ABt 1740-BEF 1795) and after his death she married Josiah DANIEL of Jasper County, SC. Small world, isn't it? John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as follows: M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 Former owners...John CASON... In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more persuading records come to light. Mike Daniel ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

The MOORES that I refer to moved down from Princess Anne County, VA to Pitt County, NC but I am sure there were parts of this MOORE family already in that area, beforehand, since they were originally part of the James MOORE family of Charleston. We know that Maurice MOORE was of the Brunswick County, NC area but this bunch scattered all over into the Bladen and New Hanover County, NC area. John MOORE (1690-1729) was born in Craven County, NC, the son of Gov. James MOORE of Charleston and this is the line that bounces back into Emanuel and Jefferson County, GA, later. I do not like some of the genealogy I see on this line because it does not make sense. I think part of it has been cobbled up, too. We think this MOORE line moved north, possibly into VA and then they came back to NC. This line, John MOORE II married Justina SMITH, d/o Landgrave Thomas SMITH of Charleston and it was John III whose family migrated to GA. The one thing about the MOORES, look for the MOYES, because they will always be close...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <WANDABUG1@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Moores > John, You keep talking about the Moores. Were they in North Carolina and > was > there a Jordan Moore among them? I have a Jordan Moore relative (not > related > to the Daniels) who was the father of Sarah Moore who was my 3rd great > grandmother. She was born abt. 1802 in North Carolina. > > Just curious! > > Wanda > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >

John, You keep talking about the Moores. Were they in North Carolina and was there a Jordan Moore among them? I have a Jordan Moore relative (not related to the Daniels) who was the father of Sarah Moore who was my 3rd great grandmother. She was born abt. 1802 in North Carolina. Just curious! Wanda

Good Afternoon, Well, we know from this that this DANIELL boy has to be a descendant of William DANIELL, Sr. and his second wife, Mary MELTON. However, I do not have a Nathaniel DANIELL listed as on of their sons, so he must have been a grandson. However, I do not know who this DANIELL boy was but he probably was out of that Daniel-Melton bunch in Bogart, Oconee County, GA, somewhere..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Joiner" <wheeliebj@msn.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL's/DANIELL'S and WHITFIELD'S >I found the following listed on Rootsweb in Shiloh Primitive Baptist Church >Cemetery in Clay County, Alabama. > > DANIEL, Ida E. (Saxon) 26 August 1878 - 8 December 1901, daughter of > Benjamin Newton Saxon and Sarah Elizabeth Daugherty; married Edmund > DANIELL, born 1872; son of Nathaniel Melton DANIELL and his 2nd wife, > Rachael Ingram. > > I also found the following: > > Rachael WHITFIELD Blalock, daughter of Robert WHITFIELD and Charity > DANIELL. (No dates on this one). > > I hope this helps someone with their search. > > Brenda in Alabama > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Hi, I can buy that - John CASON to his g/s, William DANIEL. You are not the only one who feels one of these Robert's is your boy, so do I. Which one, I do not know.... We know that John CASON died in Burke County, GA in 1816. I have never seen his will but I do believe that a Robert DANIEL married one of his daughters. Which one, and which Robert, I have not a clue but I can tell you were he probably lived in 1790 - Pitt County, NC. John CASON was born ABT 1728 in Beaufort County, NC, the son of William CASON, Sr. and Jane Ann CANNON. He married Eleanor PINCKETT about 1760 so his kids would have been born, after that. Personally, I think CASON"s daughter married Robert L. DANIEL, Jr. son of Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL because all of families of the spouses of his chillen are all over the deeds of RLD, including the ALBRITTONS, HATTONS, etc. I also think the Robert DANIEL, Jr. mentioned in the 1779 complaint of Col. James ARMSTRONG of Pitt is RLD, Jr. but all of this is just a guess on my part based on a composite of all of the information I have but I have never been able to get a handle on all of these folks because I think they have all to many of them commingled and cobbled up. I know there are those who pull of that 1781 Edward SMITHWICK statement about Robert DANIEL, Jr. dying in the RW but I do not think so. This may have been a subterfuge to get him out of the slave stealing problems he was facing at about the same time -- if this was, indeed, the Robert DANIEL, Jr, son of Robert DANIEL and Mary SWAIN of Martin County, NC. However, this complaint was filed in Pitt and not Martin and it seems all of the particulars to this complaint lived in Pitt and not Martin, so I have never been able to figure this one out. I know for a fact, there were two Robert DANIELS in Pitt in 1790. One is probably RLD, Sr. but who was the other and they are all around the same folks, the CASONS, yet there are those around here who will tell you - these DANIELS never heard of the CASONS. Horse Pucky....They are all over the MOYES, MOORES and the CASONS of Pitt, deeds and otherwise. Robert, Jr, as was stated in the 1779 complaint of ARMSTRONG, stated the DANIEL had to get the female slave out of his father's house because Hillary CASON was coming to dinner and this tells me that Hillary was probably family. You can also bet they hushed this up, too, because I have never found out the disposition of this case. I think what has happened is the kids of Robert Lanier DANIEL of Pitt, son of T&E, and Robert DANIEL who married Mary SWAIN have been commingled. We know, basically, who RLD's kids were but we do not know the name of his wife. Some say a Jemimah WILLIS, but Jemimah is not a name in this bunch but it is a name in the family of Robert DANIEL of Martin County, NC. That, tells me, something is amiss, here. They also say that this Robert DANIEL (ABT 1718-1782) of Martin County, NC was a son of Simon DANIEL but they do not have one bit of proof for that assignment. We think this Robert married Mary SWAIN and will of James SWAIN (1693-1763) lists his daughter, Mary DANIEL, in his will but it does not say who her husband was nor does it say who his father was. I did notice later family names on the will of James SWAIN, that of William MIZELL. We also know that this Robert DANIEL was probably the Robert DANIEL mentioned in the 1739 Will of Robert ROGERS, his grandfather. Robert also mentions his daughter, Elizabeth, the wife of Simon DANIEL and from this one may assume that Robert DANIEL was Simon and Elizabeth's son. This is the deed I really like. <<< JOHN HARPER, 1150 acs., Rappa. Co., on S. side of Rappa. River, 20 Oct. 1691, p. 198. Beg. by the maine pocoson of Pescattaway Cr. below a gr. White Marsh; by the Bridge Sw; along Col. Edward Hill, to John Price; including 2 small islands, &c. 500 acs. granted to James Boughan & Tho. Harper, 8 Oct. 1672 ; 600 acs. being overplus; due for Imp. of 13 pers: Richard Wright, John Faine (?), Ellinor Edwards, Wm. Markes, William Dobson, Wm. Copeland, Isaac Jones, Martin Pettus, Hen. Clegg, Geo. Massey, Fra. Keen, Robt. Rogers, William Willis. (Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol. II, p. 370, from Patent Book 8) . >>> We know that one of James SWAIN's daughter married a PRICE, We know that William WILLIS was supposed to be the father of Jemimah who supposedly married a Robert DANIEL and I know for a fact the PETTUS family was down in Morgan County, GA, later. A COPELAND also married Ann HARRISON and guess who she also married -- Darby DANIELL (1629-1898) of York County, VA. Darby was supposedly the son of Gent. Roger DANIELL, Sr. and Anne CAREY. Darby's siblings, William DANIEL married Sarah WILLIAMS and they had a son, James who married Anne PARKER and Alexander who married Jane COLLINS and we see both the PARKER and COLLINS names in the Beaufort County, NC, later, along with the WILLIAMS. So, someone please explain to me what Robert ROGERS is doing on an Rappahannock County, VA deed, along with many of the other folks we see later down in the Beaufort County, NC area. I think there are more DANIEL players in that area than just the Lanier-Daniel bunch. ........ I am also going to comment on these other Robert ROGERS deeds. One of the names mentioned in them is that of LAWRENCE, as well as Thomas POLLOCK and Charles EDEN. That Silvanus STOKES is ancestor of the same STOKES line that ends up in Morgan County, GA, later. I also find it interesting that the LAWRENCES are all over the DANIELLS down in Charleston, SC and all over this bunch up in Southside and right across the border in the Chowan area of NC. That Henry GOODMAN listed on one of these deeds was the father of Elizabeth GOODMAN (1695-1770) who married William WHITFIELD, Sr. William and Elizabeth were the grandparents of Betsy WHITFIELD who married Aaron DANIEL. Interesting, isn't it? Thomas POLLACK was Governor of NC before his death in 1722 and he married a Martha CULLEN. Gov. POLLOCK died in Edenton, Chowan County, NC, named for the EDEN family. His son, George POLLOCK married a WHITMELL, d/o Thomas WHITMELL and Elizabeth Hunter BRYAN, who was the d/o Lewis BRYAN I (1660-1735) and Elizabeth HUNTER of Chowan, later Bertie County, NC. Martha and Thomas POLLOCK also had a son name, Cullen POLLOCK and I do not know anything about him. The reason I bring this up is because Capt. Isham LANE (ABt 1730-1801) of Greene County, NC had sons named, Cullen LANE and Bryan LANE. Also, Gov, POLLOCK was appointed the guardian of Thomas DANIEL, minor son of Owen DANIEL and supposedly the same Thomas DANIEL (1686-1749) who later married Elizabeth LANIER (1698-1752). I have to assume the LANES were also connected to this overall bunch. After looking over all of this bunch, there are all too many links in these line, not to Pitt or Beaufort, but to Edgecombe, Martin and Bertie County, NC. We also know there was a tremendous influx of folks from the Accomack area of VA to these areas in this time frame. We also know the MOORES of that area also moved south into NC, along with the MOYES, and they were a part of the Gov. James MOORE family of Charleston. Were some of these DANIELS part of this influx, I do not know. Other Robert ROGERS deeds I have. <<< RICHARD LAWRENCE, 76 acs., Up. Par. of Nansemond Co; on SE side of Long Br., a br. of Beech Sw; adj. John Moulen (Moulten), & land of Robert Rogers; 24 Apr. 1703, p. 516. Trans. of 2 pers: Richd. Lawrence, & Lucy his wife. (Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol. III, p. 68, from Patent Book 9) . . ROBERT ROGERS, 234 acs., Up. Par. of Nansemond Co; on NW side of Long Br., a br. of Beech Sw; adj. John Molton; 24 Apr. 1703, p. 529. Trans. of 5 pers: Owen Jones, Tho. Williams, John Poole, John -----, Wm. Donavan. (Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol. III, p. 70, from Patent Book 9) . . ROBERT ROGERS, 100 acs. (N. L.), Surry Co; on S. side of the Raccoon Swamp, & on S. side of Nottoway River; adj. Silvanus Stokes; 24 Mar. 1725, p. 376. 10 Shill. (Cavaliers & Pioneers, Vol. III, p. 298, from Patent Book 12) . . NC Patent Book 8, pg. 208 THOMAS JANNIKIN 1 March 1719/20 640 acres in Chowan precinct, joining RICHARD ODAM, WILLIAM HUGHS, JOHN JANNIKIN, WILLIAM HORNE, HENRY GOODMAN, JOHN PIPKIN, ROBERT ROGERS, Long branch, and RICHARD LARENCE Witnesses: CHA. EDEN, THOS. POLLOCK, FRE. JONES, RICHD. SANDERSON, JOHN HECKLEFIELD . >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul and Marce" <paul_mar@bellsouth.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine Also, I have been told by a CASON researcher that John CASON made a deed of gift to his grandson, William DANIEL of land in Jones County, Georgia that he drew in the 1805 land lottery as a resident of Burke County. I have not located or verified this record. Colson ADAMS was the brother of my GGGGrandfather, Peter ADAMS. Peter married Lydia Ann LNU (evidence points to Lydia Ann also being a CASON). Peter's GGranddaughter, Rachel Viola ADAMS married my GGrandfather, Francis Marion DANIEL. Francis's father, James Wesley DANIEL married Mary Elizabeth WATKINS, and her line can also be found in Pitt, Edgecombe, and Duplin Counties. Mary's G-grandfather, William WATKINS can be found in Pitt records and this line also married into the CASON line. As such, my interest in placing all the Robert DANIELs is strong, as I feel that one of them is my line. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine > Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from > my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert > DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current > position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been > Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as > follows: > > M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love > and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. > > Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with > Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), > transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. > > M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 > Former owners...John CASON... > > In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his > daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before > Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. > > Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more > persuading records come to light. > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Mike, after reviewing my files I agree with your comments about the Cason connection. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as follows: M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 Former owners...John CASON... In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more persuading records come to light. Mike Daniel ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

I found the following listed on Rootsweb in Shiloh Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery in Clay County, Alabama. DANIEL, Ida E. (Saxon) 26 August 1878 - 8 December 1901, daughter of Benjamin Newton Saxon and Sarah Elizabeth Daugherty; married Edmund DANIELL, born 1872; son of Nathaniel Melton DANIELL and his 2nd wife, Rachael Ingram. I also found the following: Rachael WHITFIELD Blalock, daughter of Robert WHITFIELD and Charity DANIELL. (No dates on this one). I hope this helps someone with their search. Brenda in Alabama

Also, I have been told by a CASON researcher that John CASON made a deed of gift to his grandson, William DANIEL of land in Jones County, Georgia that he drew in the 1805 land lottery as a resident of Burke County. I have not located or verified this record. Colson ADAMS was the brother of my GGGGrandfather, Peter ADAMS. Peter married Lydia Ann LNU (evidence points to Lydia Ann also being a CASON). Peter's GGranddaughter, Rachel Viola ADAMS married my GGrandfather, Francis Marion DANIEL. Francis's father, James Wesley DANIEL married Mary Elizabeth WATKINS, and her line can also be found in Pitt, Edgecombe, and Duplin Counties. Mary's G-grandfather, William WATKINS can be found in Pitt records and this line also married into the CASON line. As such, my interest in placing all the Robert DANIELs is strong, as I feel that one of them is my line. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine > Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from > my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert > DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current > position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been > Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as > follows: > > M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love > and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. > > Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with > Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), > transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. > > M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 > Former owners...John CASON... > > In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his > daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before > Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. > > Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more > persuading records come to light. > > Mike Daniel > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Do we know that a Robert DANIEL married a CASON girl? As best I can tell from my records, John CASON on at least 2 records mentions a grandson Robert DANIEL but I never see a reference to a son-in-law of that name. My current position is that the DANIEL that married the CASON girl may very well have been Thomas. Thomas was a witness to a (Pitt Co., NC) grant to Robert DANIEL as follows: M112 9/20/1788 Grantor John CASON Grantee Robert DANIEL, Grandson 100A Love and affection. Wit: Thomas DANIEL, Eleanor CASON. Thomas was also shown in the following record (Pitt Co., NC) jointly with Colson ADAMS, known to be a son-in-law of CASON (married Rachel CASON), transferring property formerly belonging to John CASON. M594 2/6/1794 Colson ADAMS & Thomas DANIEL to William CLEMENTS 200 A £75 Former owners...John CASON... In 1791 John CASON seemed to grant his property to his grandchildren or his daughters' families including ADAMS, HETTON, ALBRITTEN and as mentioned before Robert DANIEL. It must have been shortly after this that CASON removed to GA. Thomas is my leading candidate at present for husband of FNU CASON until more persuading records come to light. Mike Daniel

When short on facts one can be expected to hypothesize or rely on what looks right. Dare we let facts get in the way of speculation? But, I can support the three Robert scenario based on the few facts that we do know such as the Jemima Wills connection. BTW, which Robert married the Cason gal? I forgot that one? Carry on, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine Payne, I am going to pose an hypothesis. Let's say there were three Robert DANIELS in the Pitt, Edgecombe and Beaufort County, NC area in the same time frame. This is supported. Let's say one married a Jemima, possibly WILLIS, one married a Fnu CASON and one married Mary SWAIN. All of these Roberts seem to be connected to the same overall bunch, with the possibly exception of the Robert who married the CASON girl, but even this family has connections back into the ANDREWS, GARDNERS and their associative lines. I do not know who they were and which DANIEL these Roberts descend from. There is no documentary support for Robert DANIEL of Martin to be a son of Simon. There is documentary support for T&E to have a son named Robert Lanier DANIEL in the 1749 will of Thomas DANIEL, although his wife, Elizabeth Lanier DANIEL, just refers to him as Robert DANIEL. The third, I do not know who he was. He may be a son of a DANIEL up in IOW or Surry, that I do not know or he may be a left over DANIEL from that area or some other DANIEL line from Southside or even the Accomack area were the MOORES, CASONS and CANNONS were from, but I think they are three of them and we have the information on all three, commingled which is why it does not make sense. So, this is three of them but there may be more than three. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] That Old Song of Mine > John, I think I understand your suspicions regarding the T&E family > especially Robert Lanier Daniel. We have traversed this set of > possibilities > before but it doesn't hurt to sort them out again. Was one Robert married > to > two ladies, or two Roberts married to a single lady etc.? Were there two > RLDs operating in the area at the same time? Who knows? > > I think, just me, that Robert Lanier Daniel was married to Jemima Willis > and > that Robert Daniel of Martin married Mary Swain. This may be a tiresome > reference but: Robert Lanier Daniel and Jemima both signed Deed Bk 2, pgs > 9-11 in Tyrrell County in 1748 as residents. (Lanier Daniel, of Beaufort > County, on May 17, 1748, sold this land--the same 83 acres in Tyrrell--to > John Lanier (an uncle) of Tyrrell County for 90 pounds. The deed was > signed > by Robert Lanier Daniel and Jemina Daniel (his wife). Witnesses William > Taner, Sarah Sellers, and Michel Wess, -- Ibid., 2, pp. 9-11.) > > Now Robert Daniel of Martin where the Smithwick reference is made to > Robert > Jr. (I start picking up kids at abt 1740 not aft 1760: Will of Robert > Sr.:Will Book No. 1 page 127 Martin County N. C. (Office of Clerk of > Court): > Robert Daniel of Martin Co., N. C. will Sept. 17, 1786. 'My son William > Daniel; son Simon Daniel; my daughter Elizabeth; my daughter Sarah; my son > James Daniel; my daughter Jemiah Daniel; my daughter Chloe Daniel; my sons > William Daniel and Simon Daniel my whole and sole executors. Test: Joshua > Robason, Frederick Godward. Colonial Records of N. C. Vol. VI, page 343 > (byW. L. Saunders): > > Will of Robert Jr (by the statement of his parents): B1P80 Robert DANIELS, > SR,; William DANIEL; Mary DANIEL; swore to Samuel SMITHWICK; justice of > the > peace, that Robert DANIEL, JR. called on them on 7 November 1780 to take > notice that he was going into the service and did not have time to make a > will in writing, but his will and desire, in case he should die, was his > sisters and brothers (not named) were to be given something. men: bro. > James > DANIEL; wit appeared in court 18 August 1782. > > Just for the record, an extract from the will of Elizabeth Daniel that > names > the children of she and Thomas, notice the name Willis as a witness: > > It is my will to give and bequeath to my beloved son Robert Daniel one > stear > yerling. > > Item - to my daughter Sarah Willson I do give and bequeath one stear > yerling. (Note two LLs in Willson~she did not marry Algernon Wilson) > > Item - to my son Thomas Daniel I do give and bequeath one large Bible. > > Item - to my daughter Elisabeth Daniel I do give and bequeath one young > cow > and calf and a fore year old stear a large chest a wollen wheale and a > pare > of cotten cards and a linen wheale. > > Item - to my daughter Mary Ward I give and bequeath one stear yerling and > a > linnen wheale. > > Item - to my son John Daniel I do give and bequeath my manner plantation > and > a fore year old horse a large iron pot and a gun and five dolors. > > Item - to my son Wm Daniel I do give and bequeath my Bay horse caled > Crumel > and a duble lune and a large. (Yes, I think that this William was the one > who wound up in Halifax Co., NC.) > > Item - to my son Aron Daniel I do give and bequeath my black horse caled > Smoaker and a Dublelune a case of bottels and a chest. > > Item - to my daughter Ruth Daniel I do give and bequeath one puter dish > and > three plates. > > Item - to my daughter Pricilah Daniel I do give and bequeath one puter > dish > and three plates. > > Item - to my son Josiah Daniel I do give and bequeath one puter dish and > thre plates. > > Item - to my daughter Ruth and Pricilah and my son Josiah afore mentioned > I > do give and bequeath two cows and yerlings and seven cows and calfs thre > five year stears farther more it is my will to give to my daughter Ruth > Pricilah and my son Josiah one ew and ew lamb and two weathers(?) To be > equaly devided when the said children Ruth Precilah and Josiah do arrive > at > the age of sixteen years farther more it is my will all my cattel should > be > equaly devided that is left ungiven betwen my son John afmd and Aron(?) > Daniel afore mentioned. > > Item - to my grandaughter Elisabeth Daniel I do give and bequeath one two > year hefer. > > Item - to Jerimah Willis the daugher of Wm and Mary Willis I do give and > bequeath one yerling hefer. > > Item - to my daughter Ruth Pricilah and my son Josiah I give and bequeath > the two mares and their increase to be equaly devided when they arrive at > the age of sixteen years farther more it is my will all the rest of my > household furniture and all the utentils one foreland feven shep should be > equaly devided between my daughter Elisabeth my sons John Wm and Aron > afore > mentioned I do nominate chose and apoint my beloved sons Thomas and John > Daniel to be my Executors of this my Last Will and Testament and I farther > will and desesire that there may be no misinterpetations or wrong > constrictions put on this my Last Will and Testament Sined Sealed > published > and Declared this Sixth day of March in the years of our Lord God > everlasting one thousand seven hundred fifty and two. Interlined before > sined. > > Elisabeth (her -x- mark) Daniel > > In the presence of Wm Willis > > John (his -x- mark) Brown Senr > > Mary (her -x- mark) Willis > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > "That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to > displease the people by doing what you know is right, > than to temporarily please them by doing what you know > is wrong." > -- William J. H. Boetcker > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > > Payne, > My guess is that all of T&E's kids were born in Chowan or Tyrrell > County, NC, so take your pick. Since Edenton, NC was the thriving > metropolis of that area in that time frame, they probably lived somewhere > near Edenton, maybe right across the sound in Tyrrell County, NC, as most > suggest. Remember, the POLLACKS and I assume, CULLENS, lived adjacent to > them, according to deeds of the period. > What I find interesting is that Elizabeth Lanier DANIEL's will was > probated in Beaufort County, NC in 1752. Did she move down from Tyrrell to > be with her oldest son, RLD, after Thomas's death in 1749, since Pitt was > formed from Beaufort and RLD, actually lived right on the border with > Beaufort in Pactolus, Pitt County, NC. This, to me, would be the reason > her will was probated in Beaufort and not in Tyrrell. > What I find a little bit worrisome about Aaron is his connection to > Duplin County, NC but this may be because Matthew WHITFIELD was lived, > there. We do know that Matthew WHITFIELD, his father-in-law, was living > in > the Cheraw area, later, and Aaron seems to have followed him to this part > of > SC. > I think we can straighten out Aaron and Betsy's family but we need some > more information, like accurate vestry records from St. David's Church in > Cheraw, SC. I also know they are on microfilm in the SC archives but I do > not like it when I see his name listed in some family references to this > church and not listed in impartial transcriptions of these church vestry > records. That, tells me something may be amiss, here. Not to forget > there were about three Aaron DANIELS operating in upstate SC in this same > time frame........ > It takes more than just a given name to connect a son or daughter to a > set of parents. If we connect siblings to each other and one of these > siblings to a set of parents, this is sufficient proof to establish the > parents of the rest of these known siblings. However, in thinking back > over > the T&E bunch, I do not think we can tie any of these children back to > T&E. > can we? > I went back and looked at the Robert Lanier DANIEL deed to John LANIER > where his wife was mentioned as a Jemima DANIEL. This has to be the John > LANIER who was a sister of Elizabeth LANIER who married Thomas DANIEL. > The > thing that bothered me was the reference to the SMITHWICK name in this > deed. > Not to forget the Jemima that was a daughter of Robert DANIEL of Martin > County, NC who married Mary SWAIN, whose mother was a SMITHWICK. Notice > the > William SWANNER who was a witness to this deed. > I somehow get the feeling this RLD may not be the RLD we think of later > in Pitt. If he is selling the home place, which requires the wife to sign > away her dower rights, then this Robert may be older than we think. It > could also well be Robert DANIEL of Martin and his first wife, Jemima, and > after her death he married Mary SWAIN born ABT 1722 because I do not start > picking up kids for them until AFT 1760. This would account for the > SMITHWICK connection and the Jemima name connection in this family. > However, this Robert L. DANIELL says he was of Beaufort County, NC and not > Tyrrell County, NC or even Edgecombe. . > If there are more than one RLD's operating in this time frame in this > general area, this may also account for all of the Robert Lanier DANIELS > we > see floating around this area in this time frame. There is something not > right, here, and I do not know quite what it is..... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA > > >>I thought you were suggesting that Aaron was born someplace else, was He? >>As >> to the notes, the originals back at St. David's Church, I haven't an >> opinion >> yet! >> >> Payne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> >> >> Payne, >> Why did you mention the Lenoir County, NC POB for Aaron? I do not >> think >> your notes are cobbled up but these notes that I have for Aaron do not >> compare with the originals back at St. David's Church, although some of >> the >> same names are on both of these sources. >> >> This tells me that someone has added Aaron's name to this list of >> names >> at St. David's Church. Or, Virginia PROCTOR left his name off this list >> for >> some unknown reason. I do not know which is correct but that is what she >> has on the Marlboro County, SC website. This is why the Vestry Records >> of >> St. David's Church need to be looked at and compared against these notes >> to >> see where they differ. >> >> I also found some very interesting deeds on this Marlboro County, SC >> website, especially an 1816 deed for a John DERDEN (below). As I have >> told >> you several times, my grandmother, ended up with Land Lot 74 in Land >> District 19 in Morgan County, GA, formerly part of Baldwin County. This >> was >> land owned by John DURDEN, who went bankrupt in 1873 and his land was >> sold >> at the courthouse square in Madison and guess what he did -- he bought it >> all back, at least LL 74, LD 19. However, guess who ended up with it and >> there is no grantee-grantor record of how she got it? My grandmother, >> Alice >> Daniel RICHTER. Neither Marshall WILLIAMS, archivist of Morgan County, >> nor >> I >> have ever been able to figure this one out. >> >> My opinion is that John DURDEN was some kind of family and Alice took her >> $700 inheritance from her father, Robert W. DANIEL, which she had gotten >> a >> few years before (1867) her marriage to John RICHTER (1872), and bailed >> out >> John DURDEN because the purchase price was $709.25, almost exactly what >> she >> had gotten from her father's estate. Then, after his death, she >> inherited >> the property which is why there is not a Grantor-Grantee record of this >> transaction. >> >> >> Note: There are also some very familiar names in this 1816 SC deed. >> Maybe >> someone will see somthing that I do not. >> >> <<< >> John DERDEN to James FIELDS, 1816 Contributed by Brenda Wagner >> >> John Derden of the District of Chesterfield, for $5000, to James Fields >> of >> the District of Marlboro, 200 acres, a tract granted by Arthur Dobbs to >> Robert Palmer, 10 Oct 1755, and conveyed by Wm. Palmer, attorny, for >> Robert >> Palmer, by lease and release 14 & 15 Dec 1773, to John May Junr, and by >> John >> May Junr. to Wm. Blakeny, 5 March 1791, and from Wm. Blakeny to John >> Derden, >> 12 Aug 1802, on both sides Thomson's Creek, 100 acres, being half of a >> survey of 200 acres granted to Hartwell Weaver, 5 Dec 1791., also one >> other >> parcel, it being a part of 800 acres granted to Abner Lowry, 10 March >> 1791, >> 125 acres, at the first fork of Macks branch, above the school house >> fork, >> adj. John P. Rushing; another tract granted to Benjn. Thermon, 75 acres, >> being the lands whereon I now live at the cross roads or otherwise cauled >> Mount Croghan; also several other pieces or parcels of land containing >> seven >> hundred and forty hacres, originall granted to Gustavas Hendrick, Asey >> Hendrick & Samuel Alsobrooks, and conveyed by sd. Gustavas Hendrick to >> John >> Derden, by deed 22 May 1804, agreeable to a resurvay with the exception >> of >> 116 acres previously sold to James Derden, and 62 to Obediah Meadows; >> also >> one other tract on the North side of Thomsons Creek originally granted to >> David Hendrick, 3 March 1794.18 July 1816. >> >>>>> >> >> John R. Clarke >> Thomasville, GA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >> >> >>> Thanks for the record. I continue to be interested in the dates of birth >>> you >>> have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? I will look at >>> my >>> notes about Aaron but I don't think it's my notes you refer to as >>> "cobbled >>> up", so are those notes from a source not mentioned here.? >>> >>> " It hurts when I swing, and it hurts when I don't." Arnold Palmer, 74 >>> years >>> of age. >>> >>> Payne >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >>> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >>> >>> >>>> Payne, >>>> >>>> Someone has really cobbled up these notes about Aaron DANIEL. I went >>>> to >>> the >>>> "hoss's mouth" and looked them up, myself, and he did not join a St. >>> David's >>>> Scottish Presbyterian Church, he seems to have joined the St. David's >>>> Church, a church of the Church of England. Interesting. >>>> >>>> What is even more interesting is Aaron DANIEL was not listed in any of >>>> the >>>> records these sources have listed for him, although the other names, >>>> like >>>> Samuel WISE,. Jesse COUNCIL, and others, are. The vestry notes are at >>>> the >>>> bottom of this page. >>>> >>>> That said, there should be some note of Aaron and Betsy in the vestry >>>> minutes of this church which are in the SC Archives and which have also >>> been >>>> published by Brent HOLCOLMB. >>>> >>>> This is just another example of where folks have cobbled up, commingled >>> and, >>>> it appears, out fabricated some of the stuff you see about Aaron and >>> Betsy. >>>> This is why I have always said, there are those who seem more than >>>> willing >>>> to fabricate their families genealogy to suit their own needs but it is >>>> rather difficult to do so over several other families, as well as when >>> faced >>>> with irrefutable historical documents. >>>> >>>> This information is from the Marlboro County, SC website. : >>>> >>>> <<< >>>> Please note that because the Vestry of St. David's also served the >>> community >>>> as a political body (voting, collecting taxes, etc.), early records >>>> will >>>> contain the names of members of all religious denominations. >>>> >>>> Minutes of the Vestry >>>> April 1768 >>>> The following gentlemen were named Commissioners for the Parish of St. >>>> David's: >>>> >>>> Claudius Pegues Charles Bedingfield >>>> Philip Pledger James James >>>> Alexander Mackintosh Robert Weaver >>>> George Hicks James Thomson >>>> Thomas Ellerbee Thomas Crawford >>>> Robert Alison Thomas Porte >>>> Thomas Lide Benjamin Rogers >>>> >>>> August 1st 1768 >>>> The Commissioners met at the House of Mr. Charles Bedingfield. >>>> Absent were Thomas Ellerbee, Robert Weaver, James Thomson, Thomas >>>> Crawford >>>> and Thomas Porte. >>>> >>>> Declining to act as Commissioners were Alexander Mackintosh, James >>>> James >>>> and Robert Alison. >>>> >>>> Elections were held. >>>> Elected as Vestry Men: >>>> Claudius Pegues, Philip Pledger, William Godfrey, Charles Bedingfield, >>>> Thomas Lide, Thomas Ellerbee, Thomas Bingham >>>> >>>> Elected as Church Wardens: >>>> Alexander Gordon and Benjamin Rogers. >>>> >>>> Durham Hitts was appointed Clerk of the Vestry. >>>> >>>> Electors were: >>>> William Hardwick >>>> Duke Glen >>>> John Mackintosh >>>> John Jenkins >>>> Edward Ellerbee >>>> John Husbands >>>> Thomas Boatright, Senr. >>>> Jesse Counsell >>>> John Pledger >>>> Robert Clary >>>> Robert Anderson >>>> Benjamin Jackson >>>> James Knight >>>> Samuel Wise >>>> James Thursby >>>> Thomas Williams >>>> Thomas Wade >>>> Leonard Dozier >>>> <<< >>>> >>>> John R. Clarke >>>> Thomasville, GA >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> >>>> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 9:48 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, GA >>>> >>>> >>>> >I take it John that your are stating your opinions and suspicions, and >>>> >by >>>> > the way, what's wrong with Radford, Lenoir, NC, being the birth place >>>> > of >>>> > Aaron Daniel? What list of children do you support for Ensign Aaron >>>> > and >>>> > Elizabeth Whitfield Daniel? According to Ingersol, page 414, Aaron >>>> > was >>>> > born >>>> > in 1739 and died in 1790 in Cheraw District, SC. I am not a fan of >>>> > Ingersol >>>> > so your 1733 may be closer? I would also be interested in the dates >>>> > of >>>> > birth >>>> > you have for the children Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier? >>>> > >>>> > From lovely New Tampa, Florida. Payne >>>> > >>>> > "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and >>>> > statistics." >>>> > -- Benjamin Disraeli >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >>>> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:09 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, >>>> > GA >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Judy, >>>> >> That is correct but Duplin and Sampson County, NC were not what >>>> >> I >>>> > would >>>> >> consider to be "normal stomping grounds" for the Lanier-Daniels. >>>> >> Number one, this Moses has to be at least 16 to be witness of a >>> deed >>>> > and >>>> >> that puts his DOB as 1749, probably closer to 1744, making him at >>>> >> least >>>> >> of >>>> >> majority. This puts him as a contemporary of Aaron and not his son. >>>> > There >>>> >> is no Moses listed in the will of Thomas and Elizabeth DANIEL, is >>> there? >>>> >> We also have reports there was an Abraham DANIEL born prior to 1750 >>>> > floating >>>> >> around this bunch and that, too, puts him as a contemporary of Aaron >>> and >>>> >> also not his son. >>>> >> You see we really do not know when Aaron was born, do we? Some >>>> >> say >>>> > 1739 >>>> >> but that is incorrect. He had to be born by 1733 not to be listed >>>> >> as >>>> >> a >>>> >> minor in his father's 1749 will nor was he listed as a minor in his >>>> > mother's >>>> >> 1752 will, was he? That means that he was born at least by 1733, >>>> >> probably >>>> >> before. >>>> >> I also always go with the general rule of Southern families, as >>> these >>>> >> DANIELS were, that parents tend to name their children after a >>>> >> combination >>>> >> of the given names of their father's and mother's families, with a >>>> >> few >>>> > vogue >>>> >> names thrown in from time to time. I also go with the general rule >>> that >>>> >> Yankee families went more towards Bible oriented given names, due to >>>> >> their >>>> >> Puritan influence, than did most Southern folks. >>>> >> Southerners, for the most part, have always gone with tradition, >>> even >>>> >> then. This does not mean there was not an occasional family where >>>> > religion >>>> >> dominated every part of their lives and they would name their >>>> >> children >>>> > after >>>> >> biblical characters because there were these occasional families. >>>> > However, >>>> >> for the most part Southern families were real big in naming their >>>> >> children >>>> >> according to tradition and that tradition indicates they will use >>> family >>>> >> names for their chillen. >>>> >> There were several Biblical names used in the WHITFIELDS that we >>> know >>>> >> of, Matthew and Luke, but their other given names are generally >>>> >> family >>>> >> names. When you go back to the BRYANS, they re-use family names, >>>> >> like >>>> >> water. There are hundreds of Rachels, Penelopes, Williams and >>>> >> Johns. >>>> > Even >>>> >> the WARRENS tended to re-use family names, as best I can tell. >>>> >> So, when I look at what I would think would be the given names >>>> >> for >>>> > Capt. >>>> >> Aaron and Betsy Whitfield DANIEL's kids, I would look at some type >>>> >> of >>>> >> combination of these names as possible given names for their >>>> >> children. >>>> > Yet, >>>> >> we do not see these names used in this family to any degree. That >>> makes >>>> > me >>>> >> really wonder about this DANIEL family, assuming we believe the >>>> >> claims >>> of >>>> >> some of their descendants concerning the identity of their >>>> >> ancestors. >>>> >> All of these Southern families of this era named their children >>>> >> in >>> an >>>> >> almost identical fashion. I cannot tell you how many Williams and >>> Johns >>>> >> there are in my families of this period and these were families that >>> not >>>> >> only lived right around these DANIELS but also had collateral links >>>> >> to >>>> > them. >>>> >> Without a will for either Aaron or Betsy, where their children >>>> >> are >>>> >> actually named, or some type or other contemporary document >>>> >> outlining >>>> >> this >>>> >> family to some degree, then what we see in POWG is highly suspect. >>>> >> Our >>>> >> major problem, today, is not in actually researching these various >>> lines >>>> > but >>>> >> in straightening out the mess of early family researchers who did >>>> >> not >>>> >> have >>>> >> access to the documents we have available to us, today. >>>> >> What these early researchers did was take "family myth" and >>>> >> force >>> the >>>> >> pieces of the known puzzle of the time into the holes on the board, >>>> > whether >>>> >> they actually fit or not. This is why you see both 10 and 60 year >>>> >> old >>>> >> females giving birth to children. The problem is -- we now know >>>> >> they >>>> >> skipped a generation or two in between. >>>> >> Yet, there are those who will fight to keep their established >>>> > genealogy, >>>> >> even with faced with the impossibility of such an assignment, >>>> >> because >>>> >> a >>>> >> change in that assignment would effect their membership in various >>>> >> organizations. This is also why we have such a hodge-podge of DNA >>>> > results >>>> >> and why some of the stuff we see does not match what we would think >>>> > because >>>> >> the person who submitted the DNA was really not a descendant of the >>>> >> person >>>> >> they think they descend from. >>>> >> I was talking with a MAY cousin who is trying to track his MAY >>>> > ancestry. >>>> >> He got a 24/25 marker match with some fellow in TN but I told him a >>> 24/25 >>>> >> marker test only indicates they had a common ancestor within the >>>> >> past >>>> >> 8 >>>> >> generations. I told him as close as he should have been to this >>> person, >>>> > he >>>> >> should have had a 25/25 marker match because, at the most, both of >>>> >> them >>>> > were >>>> >> only 5 generations removed from their "most recent common ancestor" >>>> > (MCRA). >>>> >> I would almost guarantee you that my DNA would give a perfect >>>> >> 25/25 >>>> >> match with someone from my RICHTER family in Germany if we were >>> descended >>>> >> from the same common Prussian ancestor, which is only five >>>> >> generations >>>> >> removed for me. As for Joe's DNA test, he is only 4 generations >>> removed >>>> >> from Charles MAY born 1778 in Edgefield County, SC which means their >>> MRCA >>>> > is >>>> >> located at least three generation beyond that time frame - a GGF of >>>> > Charles >>>> >> MAY. This really pushes them back to some time in the 1600's and >>>> >> maybe >>>> > even >>>> >> back to the old country, where ever that was. >>>> >> Take MS Lucy's recent DNA test. She, also, got a 24/25 marker >>> match >>>> > but >>>> >> this only indicates this person shared a MCRA at their 5th to 6th >>>> >> GGF >>>> > level. >>>> >> Since MS Lucy is only four generations removed from William DANIEL >>>> >> born >>>> > 1760 >>>> >> this means their MCRA was William DANIEL's GGF. That, was also a >>>> >> long >>>> > time >>>> >> ago. >>>> >> With a 25 marker test you should get a perfect match (25/25) >>>> >> with >>> any >>>> >> person with whom you share a MCRA within the past seven generations. >>> In >>>> >> simple terms, if you and they share, at least, a 5th GGF, you should >>> get >>>> >> a >>>> >> perfect match. If you share a MCRA beyond that, the match will >>> diminish, >>>> >> statistically. For most of us, that puts a perfect match well into >>>> >> the >>>> >> 1600's and I do not think we are searching for information much >>>> >> beyond >>>> > that, >>>> >> at least in this country. >>>> >> >>>> >> John R. Clarke >>>> >> Thomasville, GA >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> >>>> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 11:01 PM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, >>>> >> GA >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > Duplin/Sampson, NC Deed Records.....Feb 1765, pg, 186 & 187 >>>> >> > Aaron DANIEL & wife, Elizabeth to George FRAZIER, both of >>>> >> > Duplin County, 100ac.for 30 pds. ,near Goshen Swamp, adjecent >>>> >> > Mathew WHITFIELD. >>>> >> > Witness: Moses DANIEL, Mathew WHITFIELD, James OUTLAW. >>>> >> > Signed: Aaron DANIEL, Elizabeth DANIEL >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Judy Garner, >>>> >> > Sebring,FL >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> > From: "Judy Garner" <jpast59@strato.net> >>>> >> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 7:51 PM >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin >>>> >> > County, >>> GA >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Is this Abraham Daniel(1763-1832) mentioned as son-in-law to >>>> >> >> James >>>> >> >> Cooper? >>>> >> >> Abraham married Jane Moore, ca 1796? Their first child was born >>>> >> >> 1797. >>>> >> >> He >>>> >> >> was 33, when he married Jane Moore, so could have been married >>>> >> >> before.......to the daughter of James Cooper. Abraham is the >>>> >> >> son >>> of >>>> >> > Aaron >>>> >> >> Daniel RS (1735-1790) and Elizabeth Whitfield(1740-1804). >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Judy Garner >>>> >> >> Sebring,FL >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> >> From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> >>>> >> >> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:40 AM >>>> >> >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] 1818 will of James COOPER of Baldwin County, >>>> >> >> GA >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > Good Morning, >>>> >> >> > I thought this was a very interesting will since a James COOPER >>>> >> > supposedly >>>> >> >> > married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o Rev. Thomas DANIEL and Sarah >>>> >> >> > BURNEY >>> of >>>> >> >> Greene >>>> >> >> > County, GA. If so, what was an Abraham DANIEL doing on this >>>> >> >> > will >>> as >>>> > a >>>> >> >> > son-in-law? We also know COOPER did not die in Greene County, >>>> >> >> > GA >>> in >>>> >> > 1807, >>>> >> >> > as some suggest, but Baldwin County, GA in 1818 or so.... >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > Also, notice that BARNES listed in this will. That tends to >>>> >> >> > tell >>> me >>>> >> >> either >>>> >> >> > that this DANIEL was from Edgecombe or Northampton County, NC. >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > However, several interesting points in all of this -- Abraham >>>> >> >> > was >>> an >>>> >> >> > IOW >>>> >> >> > DANIEL name, BARNES is an IOW DANIEL collateral and this DANIEL >>>> >> >> > bunch >>>> >> > sure >>>> >> >> > looks like an IOW DANIEL family to me, but then, again..... >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > <<< >>>> >> >> > Will Book A, Baldwin County, GA >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > COOPER, JAMES 1/21/1812 - 3/2/1818 >>>> >> >> > Wife: not named >>>> >> >> > Children: Davis Cooper, Thomas Cooper, John Cooper, Milbry >>> McGintry, >>>> >> > Nancy >>>> >> >> > Barnes >>>> >> >> > Others mentioned: Son-in-law - Abraham Daniel; Nathaniel C. >>> Waller, >>>> >> > James >>>> >> >> > Rice, John Gill >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > John R. Clarke >>>> >> >> > Thomasville, GA >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> >> >> > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List >>>> > Archives >>>> >> >> at: >>>> >> >> > >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> >> >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the >>>> >> >> posting >>> of >>>> >> > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral >>>> > families >>>> >> > or >>>> >> > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- >>>> >> > are >>>> > not >>>> >> > allowed on this list. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> >> > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you >>> change >>>> >> > the subject of a reply message. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like >>>> >> to >>>> > change your subscription method or email address or you have a >>> suggestion >>>> > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free >>>> > to >>>> > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >>>> > change your subscription method or email address or you have a >>> suggestion >>>> > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free >>>> > to >>>> > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >>> the subject of a reply message. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >>> the subject of a reply message. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >> the >> subject of a reply message. >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families >> or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are >> not allowed on this list. >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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I also would like to see this will as Edward Daniel was my ancestor. Evelyn Daniels Hansson

<<< Hunt Bible This Bible record was transcribed from Kentucky Records, Early Wills and Marriages, Old Bible Records and Tombstone Inscriptions. Volume Two, Mrs. William Breckenridge Ardery (Julia Spencer Ardery), 1932, pp 200-1. SURNAMES: HUNT WILSON DANIELS BRYAN MCCLELLAND Below this line, verbatim from source. ---------------------------------------------------- HUNT BIBLE (From copy owned by Harvey Rogers, Paris, Ky.) *John Hunt was born September 19th, 1748, and died May 7th, 1829, of cholera, in Fayette County. Margaret Wilson Hunt, his wife, was born. April 1st, 1757. Ages of their children: Nancy Hunt was born January 25, 1775, and married Peter Daniels. James Hunt was born April 12th, 1777, and died December 8th,1829. Wilson Hunt was born December 15th, 1779, and died January 25th, 1840. Sarah Hunt was born December 15 1783, and married Morgan Bryan. Polly Hunt was born January 1st, 1785. Jonathan Hunt was born November 18th, 1788, and died May 7th, ___. Noah Hunt was born October 3rd, 1792, and died July 9th at half past 2 o'clock A. M., 1849. Peggy Hunt was born January 31st, 1797. Marriages of Fayette Co., Ky., Book 1, pg. 16: James McClelland to Polly Hunt. *CoI John Hunt, born N. J.; lived during Revolution in N. C. and Ky. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Right? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier Payne, Yes, there is no proof that Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN married Robert DANIELL of Charleston and there is no proof that Robert DANIEL (1718-AFT 1782) of Martin County, NC was a son of Simon DANIEL of Edgecombe County, NC, but you sure carry him as his son. Right? There is not a lot of proof for a lot of stuff in genealogy, is there? What there is proof of is -- Elizabeth CHAMBERLAIN (1720-1758), d/o Samuel CHAMBERLAIN (ABT 1685-1752) of Brunswick County, VA, married Sampson LANIER, Jr., d/o Sampson LANIER, Sr. and Elizabeth WASHINGTON. Is that not correct. Was it not you that said just a few days ago that Sarah DANIEL, d/o T&E, married Algeron WILSON and this Sarah turned out to be the daughter of Marmaduke DANIELL, Sr. and Susan PROCTOR and not T&E. I do not know what the answer is for this bunch but what I do know is there are too many identical surnames in Southside, the tidal areas of NC and Charleston for these families not to be connected. I think they are connected, possibly at a cousin level, but still connected. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > John, > > Just a comment, there is not proof that Robert Daniell married in to the > CHAMBERLAINS. Just some guess work, but it is profitable to consider that > aspect of the issue when you research the possible Daniell/Chamberlain > connection. > > To my knowledge no one suspects that Robert Daniell was of humble origins? > Because he owned about three ships, someone suggest that he was an English > Privateer. > Interesting, but probably untrue. BTW, he wasn't married three times > either. > > As John says, there is some "Hog Wash" here and there. > > Later, Payne > > Way to go, PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > > Good Morning, > I can buy all of that but convincing others of that possibility is the > problem. Some have characterized the LANIERS as nothing but a bunch of > meat > cutters from Barbados and Robert DANIELL's family as being nothing but a > family of poor Welsh miners, or something along those lines. Maybe I have > exaggerated a little bit, but you get the idea. <grin> > As for Robert DANIELL, he seems more like a machinist, to me -- tooling > it around everywhere. <grin> It is surprising to me that Charleston > society was a kind to him as it seems to have been. I have understood the > WAINWRIGHTS were of Bermuda but I will bet they were of a similar class to > Robert because men have always had affairs but they usually did not marry > persons outside of their class, even then. > People, today, tend to forget that England was a very class conscious > society in that time frame and one did not start at the bottom rung of the > ladder and go all the way to the top, no matter who they were or even as a > result of their accomplishments.. It was almost like the caste system > used > in India, until recent times where people were locked into the class of > their birth. > If you look over the list of names in the Lords Proprietors, then you > will see nothing but the cream of English society because as we all know, > society tends to dictate that the rich get the gravy and the poor get the > shaft. That, was especially true back then. > To think that Robert DANIEL emerged from some poor Welsh mining clan to > become a Landgrave of the Carolinas is nothing but hogwash. To think he > married into such an illustrious family, as the CHAMBERLAINS, from such > humble Welsh beginnings is also hogwash. When you look at marriages in > the > 17th century, they were very class conscious. > Granted, Robert DANIELL may not have been from the very top echelons of > English society but he was far from the bottom rung of the ladder and his > family must have been well connected, which in those days was usually > based > on money and property. What I am surprised is how fast some of his > descendants seem to have deteriorated, class wise. > Are you aware that one's religious preference is a key denominator of > class? In the protestant faiths, you have the Episcopal Church at the > top, > followed closely by the Methodist and Presbyterian churches. > In the days after the Revolutionary War, one church in particular was > very paternalistic, the Baptists. How do you think this set with these > patriots who just fought a war to keep from being told what to do by their > English lords? Not very well, in my opinion. This same type of > philosophy > was incorporated into the Quaker faith which is why this religion > descended > after the RW. > Paternalistic based religions only tend to flourish among the > uneducated > classes, not the educated classes, even today. Educated people just do > not > like to be told by their religions elders, what to do, when to do it and > how > it must be done. This is also probably why one sees so many agnostics and > even atheists in society, today - current religions philosophies are a > little too intrusive for them. > This is why the Baptist religion of the DANIELLS of Oconee County, GA > surprises me. Maybe William DANIELL's parents did not raise him properly > or > maybe his second wife was of a different class and she was in charge of > their kids upbringing, that I do not know. Maybe even the uncertainty of > life in that period tended to force people to accept a religion that > dominated their personal lives, from start to finish. That, I do not know > What I do know is -- I would not have tolerated that kind of religious > dominance, even then. . > The Baptist faith has changed somewhat over the course of the past 200 > years and is a little less intrusive than it used to be, but it is still > much more intrusive than other protestant religions. People also tended > to > join their community church and the community church in their area of GA > may > have been Baptist and once they became locked into a specific church, they > were also locked into that religion. That, I also do not know. > What I do know is that none of my family were of the Baptist faith > which > tells me a lot about them. My wife once told me a rather simple > definition > of class. "High class people talk about ideas, middle class people talk > about money and low rents talk about others." I will end this on that > tid-bit of Connecticut wisdom..... <grin> > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:02 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > > >> >> Probably nothing not already discussed, or of interest here... but >> Elizabeth >> LANIER is shown with her Thomas DANIEL in the family of Robert, and can >> see >> how the two Sarah DANIELs marrying WILLSON or WILSON could be >> confusing.....same >> Wilson book, pgs 8 and 9 ~ >> >> "A Carolina ~ Virginia Genealogy" compiled by York Lowry WILSON, [A.B., >> Princeton University, 1915] published by Aldershot Gale & Polden, Ltd >> 1962 >> >> >> Robert DANIEL I >> The English DANIELLs are of Norman origin, descending from the D'ANVERS >> or >> DANYERs family, who held estates in Cheshire in the reign of Henry III >> and >> bore >> arms "Arg. a pale fusily sa." which appear to be identical with those >> engraved >> on the seal of Colonel Robert DANIELL, progenitor of the Barbados branch. >> Similar arms, were, however, borne by other DANIELL lines in the Heralds' >> Visitations, that of London [originally from Norfolk] in 1634 showing >> Robert DANIELL >> of London, merchant, with a son Robert then aged three years. >> >> According to Hathaway's North Carolina History and Genealogy Register, >> [below] the first known ancestor was Roger DANIELL the elder, who came >> over with his >> kinsman Miles CAREY from Bristol, England, to Virginia before 1644/45 ~ >> Married UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1. Roger DANIELL the younger, who came over from Bristol to Virginia >> with >> Roger, his father and their kinsman Miles CAREY ~ Married and had: >> >> 1.a. Robert DANIELL, Governor >> 1.b. John DANIELL of Barbados ~ Married Ann UNKNOWN and had: >> >> 1.b.1. John DANIELL, baptized at St. James, Barbados in 1678 >> 1.b.2. Thomas DANIELL of Tyrrell County, North Carolina, baptized at >> St. >> James, Barbados ~ dc: 1750, Tyrell County ~ Married Elizabeth LANIER of >> Tyrell >> County, daughter of Thomas LANIER. >> 1.b.3. Wilbert DANIELL, of Virginia, who spent only a short time in >> Barbados. >> >> ~O~ >> 2. Darby DANIELL, who was living in Virginia in 1693. [brother to >> Roger >> @ >> 1.] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Colonel Robert DANIELL was, according to his age on the memorial tablet, >> born >> in 1646 [1. Ray claims that he was born in Virginia ~ see later] and >> although he was obviously possessed of considerable natural ability and >> talent, he is >> believed to have had influential family connections from his earliest >> days. >> >> He married (1) between 1675 and 1680, to Dorothy CHAMBERLAYNE, bc: 1654 ~ >> d: >> 16 OCT 1711, daughter of Colonel Edmund Chamberlayne of Maughersbury, >> County >> of Glouucester. The CHAMBERLAYNE family through their marital >> connections >> with >> the PYE family were prominent in Barbados trading circles, and Robert >> DANIELL >> took up this mode of life. His wife was an heiress and evidently refused >> to >> share the dangers and vicissitudes of colonial sea trading. Robert and >> Dorothy had one child, Robert II, bc: 1680 ~ d: after 20 OCT 1709. There >> is no >> indication in the records that Dorothy accompanied her husband on any of >> his trips >> to Barbados, Virginia, or the Carolinas. >> >> The year and circumstances of his first journey from England to Barbados >> are >> not known, but it must have been about the time of the Restoration or >> soon >> after, and as he was a staunch Royalist and Churchman, political factors >> are >> unlikely to have been involved, and he was probably at first a merchant >> or >> planter >> and perhaps owner or part-owner of a ship. Neither is it known how long >> he >> remained in Barbados, indeed it is probable that after his first arrival >> he >> made several voyages to and from England. Hotten records his migration >> from >> Barbados to Carolina, 04 APR 1679, in the ship "Mary" with Nicholas >> LOCKWOOD, >> Commander. He was accompanied by his servant Mary COOPER. [2. The >> Original >> Lists of Persons of Quality, 1600 ~ 1700, London, 1874, edited by John >> Camden >> HOTTEN] >> >> He received a succession of land grants, the first being dated a year >> before >> his arrival [3. Warrants for Lands in South Carolina, A. S. SALLEY, JR ~ >> see >> later] Although he was one of the largest landholders in South Carolina, >> he >> was not land-hungry. In fact, in several instances he sold lands in a >> very >> short time, probably in order to provide working capital for his trading >> adventures. >> >> He was taking an important part in the administrative life of Carolina >> within >> a few months of his arrival, making an appraisement of Thomas NERSE's >> property in 1680, and is himself referred to as a landowner in South >> Carolina on 15 >> DEC 16800, and again on 07 MAY and 10 MAY 1682, on all occasions with the >> rank >> of Captain. >> >> McCRADY records that "among the leaders who came into the Province of >> Carolina were some of great ability. Governor MOORE and Major Robert >> DANIELL though >> not among the first settlers, had each been in the Province some years. >> DANIELL from Barbados in 1679, and had already taken an active part in >> its >> affairs." >> >> His military rank appears to have varied. >> In MAY and AUG 1692 he is described as Major >> Captain in a deed dated 1693 [S.C.H. & G.M., Vol XI, pg 128] >> Major and Commander of the ship "Daniell of South Carolina" on 24 NOV >> 1693 >> [Ibid, Vol VIII, pg 210] >> Captain in a Will appointing him as Executor in 1695 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 83] >> Major again on 12 SEP 1696 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 236] >> Major on 10 MAR 1696/97 [Ibid, Vol X, pg 24] >> Major on 10 JAN 1697 [S.C.H.S. Collections, Vol 1, pg 144] >> >> In communications from the Lords Proprietors to the Governor and Council >> at >> Charles Town in 1698 [Ibid, Vol I, pg 456] his rank is given as Major and >> in >> 1702 he is styled Colonel [Rivers' Sketch, pg 20] and again in 1710, 1712 >> and >> 1716. >> >> In 1686 [Va Mag, Vol V, pg 81 ante.] he took an important part in the >> action >> against Spanish forces which had destroyed Stuart Town on Port Royal >> Island >> and other settlements in Carolina. Much of Robert DANIELL's time in the >> 16800's >> appears to have been spent in sailing his ships between America, Jamaica >> and >> Barbados [McCALL, TIDWELL and Allied Families, 1931, McCALL] >> >> His earliest extant signature "Robert Daniel" appears on a bond between >> John >> COMMINGS and Edward MAYO, 14 FEB 1680. The original contract is now in >> the >> possession of E. Roy DANIELL and Elizabeth HARLESTON DANIELL. >> >> The Will of Henry SYMMONDS of Charles Town, Vintner, proved before >> Governor >> BLAKE, 13 MAR 1695, appoints his friend Captain Robert DANIELL to be >> executor >> and trustee for testator's wife, Frances. The Will of Richard BUTLER, >> made 12 >> SEP 1696, appoints Major Robert DANIELL guardian to his wife and son. >> >> His career seems to have been little affected by his active opposition, >> beginning in 1680, to Landgrave John COLLETON, even after the latter >> became >> Governor. He was a loyal adherent of Seth SOTHEL throughout that stormy >> administration. In 1692 he was therefore excepted (with James MOORE) by >> the Lords >> Proprietors from the general pardon extended by them to all who had been >> concerned in >> Governor COLLETON's expulsion. Nevertheless, this did DANIELL little >> harm, >> and from then till the end of his life, his record was one of proomotion >> and >> achievement. In MAY 1692 as Major Robert DANIELL with Charles BURNHAM, >> he >> was >> entered as security for Robert GOSSE, who arrived in Carolina in the ship >> "Loyal Jamaica" [Grant Book, Secretary of State's Office, 1672/94, pg >> 78] >> >> In 1697 he was appointed Deputy to the Earl of Craven ~ Commissions and >> Instructions from the Lords Proprietors of Carolina to Public Officials >> of >> South >> Carolina, 1685~1715, pg 108. The Commission is as follows: >> >> William Lord CRAVEN one of ye true & absolute Lords & Proprietrs of ye >> Province of Carolina ~ to Robert DANIELL, Esq. Whereas it is Appointed >> by >> the Lords >> Proprietrs of Carolina in their ffundamentall Constitutions and Rules of >> Governmt that each of ye Lords Proprietrs shall Name a Deputy to be his >> Representative in ye generall Assembly and Councell of Carolina. I out >> of >> ye Confidence >> I have in ye Wisdome, Prudence & Loyalty of you ye said Robert DANIELL Do >> Constitute & Appoint you ye sd. Robert DANIELL to be my Deputy in that >> Part of >> our Province of Carolina wch llLyes South and West of Cape ffear, wth. >> full >> Power and Authority to Act and Exercise all such Powers & Things as to a >> Proprietrs Depty do's Belong Given under my Hand and Seal the fourteenth >> day of January >> Anno Dom: 1697/8. CRAVEN (Seal) >> >> Robert DANIELL served with great distinction in the ill-fated expedition >> led >> by Governor MOORE against St. Augustine in Florida in 1702 [The History >> of >> South Carolina under the Proprietary Government, 1670 ~ 1719, by Edward >> McCRADY, >> 1897, pg 381 et seq] >> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` >> Ray's Index and Digest to Hathaway's N.C. History and Gen. Register, >> 19945, >> pg 38: >> The popular conception of Governor DANIEL's genealogical history is that >> he >> was born in England, whereas, the weight of the suggestive, if not >> positive, >> evidence is that he was born in York or Warwick County, Virginia. No one >> has >> been able to determine with certainty the exact year in which Miles CARY, >> the >> emigrant arrived in Virginia, but it was prior to 1644/45 at least. He >> was from >> Bristol, England, and brought over with him his "known kinsman" Roger >> DANIEL >> and his son Roger DANIEL, JR. The latter was the father of Governor >> Robert >> DANIEL, who with his two brothers, John and Wilbert, fled to the >> Barbadoes >> to >> escape the wrath of BERKLEY after the rebellion stirred up by Nathaniel >> BACON. >> >> Wilbert DANIEL remained in the Island only a few months, after which he >> returned to Virginia. Prior to his going there on NOV 13, 1678, he had >> been one of >> the subscribing witnesses to the Will of Henry ISHAM at Varina, in >> Henrico >> County, whose wife was the widow of ROYAL, and whose son Henry ROYAL in >> 1693 >> witnessed with Darby DANIEL (uncle of Governor Robert) the Will of his >> stepson, >> Henry COPELAND in Elizabeth City. >> >> John DANIEL, the other brother, remained in the Barbadoes for some time >> and >> the St James Parish Records there show the birth of two sons, John [JR] >> in >> 1678 >> and Thomas in 1679. >> >> Robert DANIEL had married Dorothy CHAMBERLAINE, by whom he had one son, >> Robert, and John DANIEL, his brother, married [in Barbadoes~?] to Ann >> UNKNOWN. >> Thomas DANIEL, b: 1679, married Elizabeth LANIER, daughter of Thomas >> Lanier, who >> was living for a time in the Island, and both Thomas DANIEL and Thomas >> LANIER >> died in Tyrrell County, NC about 1750, as disclosed by these Hathaway >> records. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN, the first wife of Robert DANIEL, had a sister who >> appears to have been the wife of John LEAR, Clerk of Nansemond County, >> Virginia, >> hence Robert DANIEL and the old Clerk were brothers-in-law. Dorothy also >> had a >> nephew Marmaduke CHAMBERLAINE, for whom Governor DANIEL named his second >> grandson. >> >> North Carolina History & Gen. Register, Vol 1, pg 199, refers to Thomas >> DANIEL, John DANIEL and Robert DANIEL. >> [Will of Milles CARY of Warwick County, Virginia, dtd 09 JUN 1667, pr. 21 >> JUN >> 1667, Warwick County, left his grey mare and that parcel or tract of land >> called "Gaole" with all the rents and profits, to Roger DANIELL ~ The >> Virginia >> CARYs, Harrison, 1919, pgs 164~167]. >> >> Dorothy CHAMBERLAIN was not the first Chamberlaine to marry a DANIELL. >> "A" >> Robert DANIELL married (2) to Margaret CHAMBERLAIN who died at Edmonton, >> Middlesex, 30 JUL 1663. >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >> change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion >> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to >> contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Good Morning, I found this Bible record from the Solomon PERKINS Family Bible. The only Delilah name I have in the DANIEL family is in the William DANIEL and Pricilla ANDREWS family of Pitt County, NC. This may be a part of that overall DANIEL family..... <<< Perkins Bible SOLOMON PERKINS [?] FAMILY BIBLE RECORD Submitted by: Kim Curlin Wettroth 2 Feb 2000 127 Barriedale Circle Apex, NC 27502 (919) 303-5732 Email: kwet@mindspring.com Surnames in this file: ANDREWS CUCHERON/CUTCHERON CURLIN DANIEL MCDONALD PERKINS [Note: I belive Solomon Perkins married in NC, most of his children were born there, and ended up in AL. Note: A typewritten transcription of this bible was found in miscellaneous records dated 1954 - 1955 located in the DAR's National Library in Florida. These records were submitted by the DAR Golden Anchor Chapter of North Miami Beach. The LDS microfilmed copy was of poor quality (Film 850,403). It is not known whose bible this actually is - I am assuming that it belonged to Solomon Perkins who appears to be the patriarch. It could have belonged to Samuel F. Perkins who also has many entries. It is also not known who possessed this bible at the time of transcription, where the family lived, or who has the bible now. The bible was printed in 1814 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and was published by William W. Woodward located at the corner of Second and Chestnut Streets. Jesse Curlin is believed to be a son of Thomas and Sophia Curlin who lived in Currituck and Halifax Counties, North Carolina. The Perkins family was known to live in those counties and to be associated with the Curlin family. Quite possibly they were living in Halifax County at the time the entries were written but this is not known for certain.] Marriages Solomon Perkins was joined in wedlock to Delila Daniel on the 11th of Jan. 1796 Sam. F. Perkins and Catherine McDonald was married on the 24 April 1845 Sam'l. F. Perkins and Lucretia T. Cucheron was married 13 March 1851 Sam'l. F. Perkins and Harriette S. Andrews were married the 8th of July 1855 Births Solomon Perkins was borne 11 Sept 1775 Delila Perkins was borne A.D. 1773 Elizabeth Perkins daughter of Solomon Perkins and wife Delila borne A.D. 18 day of Dec. 1796 Henry Perkins son of Solomon Perkins and wife Delila was borne 23 day of March 1799 Francis Perkins daughter of Solomon Perkins and wife Delila borne 14th day August 1801 Joseph F. Perkins son of Solomon Perkins and Delila his wife borne 7 Oct. 1804 William F. Perkins son of Solomon Perkins and Delila his wife borne 23 Aug. 1807 Patsy W. Perkins daughter Solomon Perkins and Delila his wife borne 31st May 1810 Polly W. Perkins daughter of Solomon Perkins and Delila his wife borne 8th Oct. 1812 Delila W. Perkins daughter of Solomon Perkins and Delila his wife borne 12th May 1815 Samuel F. Perkins son of Solomon and Delila Perkins bornd Oct. 23 1818 Emaly Francis Delila Perkins daughter of J.F. Perkins and Winey (Winerford) his wife borne 17 July 1836 Henry D. Thomas Curlin son of Jesse Curlin and Frances his wife bornd Jan. 21, 1822 Joseph H. Curlin son of Jesse Curlin and Frances his wife bornd 4 Sept. 1826 Delila Jane daughter of Jesse Curlin and Frances his wife bornd Aug. 1, 1830 Martha E. Curlin daughter of J. Curlin and Francis his wife born Feb. 6, 1833 Deaths Joseph F. Perkins departed this life Jan. 1, 1837 Jesse Curlin died 26th day of August in the year of Lord 1840 Francis Curlin his wife died on the 12th of September in the Year of Our Lord 1840 Solomon Perkins died on the 27th of October 1845 age 71 years 2 mo. 16 days [Note: The age at death given here is not correct if the dates are to be believed. He would have been 70 years, 1 month, 16 days old at death.] Delila Perkins wife of Solomon Perkins died on the 11th of May A.D. 1832 age 80 years [Note: If the age at death is to be believed, the year of death would have to be 1853. This date was difficult to read on the microfilm. If the dates here are to be believed, then she would have only been 59 years old at death.] Date of Transcription: 14 May 1998 KCW Location: Cary, NC [Note: The above was transcribed from a microfilmed transcription to the best of my abilities. In addition to the microfilm, I was given another transcribed version but I do not know who the author was. The microfilm copy was poor. The notation [ ] denotes my personal comments - Kim Curlin Wettroth] John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Anne, That's the sad part about making any statement about a specific religion or specific political party, some tend to think their religious and political affiliations are always above and beyond the religious and political affiliation of everybody else. Since the choice of US Presidents is a pretty good indicator of "class," in most instances -- 26% of all US Presidents have been Episcopal (they comprise 1.7% of the US population), 21% Presbyterian (they comprise 2.8% of the US population), 9.5% Methodist (they comprise 8% of the US population) and 9.5% Baptist (they comprise 18% of the US population). I guess you could say with some degree of statistical certainty that a member of the Episcopal Church is 30 times more likely to become President than a Baptist, a member of the Presbyterian Church is over 10 times more likely to become President than a Baptist and a member of the Methodist Church is three times more likely to become President than a Baptist. Then again you could say that all US Presidents were nothing but a bunch of crooks and that any good Baptist would not want to be involved with any of them. I think the last two US Presidents that were Baptist were James Earl CARTER (1977-1981) and William Jefferson CLINTON (1993-2001), need I say more? <grin> Not to forget Warren G. HARDIN and Harry S. TRUMAN so, one out of four (TRUMAN) ain't bad, is it? John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShuShuFlyPie@cs.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Elizabeth Lanier > In a message dated 4/12/2004 6:44:32 PM Central Daylight Time, > jclarke@rose.net writes: >> Was it not you that said just a few days ago that Sarah DANIEL, d/o >> T&E, married Algeron WILSON and this Sarah turned out to be the daughter >> of >> Marmaduke DANIELL, Sr. and Susan PROCTOR and not T&E. > > Nooooo John, Payne merely asked about what someone else had sent him which > he > questioned and asked for comment from the list... including the fact that > it > "didn't sound right" or some such words. > > Now, as to Governor Robert DANIEL or DANIELL, I thoroughly believe what > the > WILSON book reveals as it has been well researched with references > throughout > regarding everything the author wrote... and I have a question.... > > If Miles CAREY initially brought Robert's father, Roger DANIEL, to the > colonies, wouldn't that possibly indicate that Roger was not probably able > to pay > for his own transportation, and therefore a "less than wealthy" person, > while at > the same time being a "kinsman" and one who just was not in the same > financial status as Miles? > > I get the impression from reading that there were several of Governor > Robert's family who were not, shall I say, as slick a salesman, or > politician, as > he... and thusly didn't gain financially to the extent he did. Seems > throughout > history every single family has had those individuals capable of doing > better > than their siblings or some in their family... they've also had plenty of > Black Sheep too. > > Further, I don't believe for one moment that religious choices had > anything > to do with personal success, back then or as today. This "success" theory > toward religious preference needs to be put to rest. My DANIELs and their > ASBURYs > were well monied and were of the Baptist faith, ... not Presbyterian, > Episcopalian or Catholic... just plain ole Baptist. > > And, speaking of the christian name "Algernon" ~ ~ ~ Asbury DANIEL, son of > Henning DANIEL used it, as did a son of Edmund Samuel DANIEL, b: 1800. > Also, it > appears that Henning DANIEL also had a son who maried in South Carolina, > why > I don't know. Then, my grandmother, b: 1846, daughter of Edmund, came > along > and named a son [from what looks like] the same name, or very close, to > one of > Governor Robert DANIEL's estates, mentioned in one of my recent posts. > > Anne > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >