Robert, That is Rev. George Washington DANIELL (1801-AFT 1839) who was, they say, the son of a George DANIELL (1783-1855) and Ellen BARBER of Smith County, TX. This second 1783 George is supposedly the son of William DANIELL, Sr. and his first wife, of Bogart, Oconee County, GA, but I do wonder about this DANIELL connection. They say, that Rev. George Washington DANIELL may have married a PEARSON girl and any PEARSON connection, to me, makes me think he may have been a O'DANIELL and not a DANIELL, since we know the O'DANIELS of Hancock County, GA also spelled their name, DANIELL. We both also know this DANIELL family of Oconee County, GA has on more than one occasion claimed some of your O'DANIEL bunch and this just may be another instances of that...... . This is what I have on this Rev. George Washington DANILLL from another researcher:. <<< The names of their six known children all were born BET 1823-1838: 3 Fnu DANIELL, Mary Ann DANIELL, Aaron DANIELL and George Frank DANIEL.... 1802 GA George Daniell birth 1821 Monroe Co., MS.... married 1825 MONROE, MS birth of 2nd child, dau. born (Mary Ann Daniell) 1828 HARDEMAN CO, TN 3rd child, dau. born 1834 AR> 5th child, son born Aaron... 1838 TX 6th child, son born George Frank Daniell 1839 Gonzales Co., TX TAX ROLLS So, they were in TX by 1838. His wife's name was Sylvania Pearson. (some say Pierce) Any information on this family, their ancestors or descendents would be appreciated. Billie bbennett@sat.net >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Daniell" <rdaniell@surfbest.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Rev. George Daniell of Gonzales Co., Texas > While looking for my Texas cousins, this article popped up. Posted > hoping it will be useful to another Lister. For the full article, see > > > http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/NN/fni11.html > > NICHOLS, JAMES WILSON (1820-1891). James Nichols, Indian scout, was > born on December 27, 1820, in Franklin County, Tennessee, the son of > George Washington and Mary Ann (Walker) Nichols. At age twelve he began a > journal that was eventually published as a book of memoirs, Now You Hear > My Horn (1968). This account vividly describes his life, beginning with > his travels to Texas. The Nichols and Johnson Day families traveled the > Tennessee, the Mississippi, and the Red Rivers to Natchitoches, Louisiana, > and from there they traveled overland to Guadalupe-Gonzales counties, > Texas. Nichols's journal says the party crossed the Sabine River into > Texas on December 16, 1836......Nichols married Mary Ann Daniell, daughter > of Rev. George Daniell of Gonzales County. He and his wife had twelve > children. He died in Kerrville on October 8, 1891. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > >

While looking for my Texas cousins, this article popped up. Posted hoping it will be useful to another Lister. For the full article, see http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/NN/fni11.html NICHOLS, JAMES WILSON (1820-1891). James Nichols, Indian scout, was born on December 27, 1820, in Franklin County, Tennessee, the son of George Washington and Mary Ann (Walker) Nichols. At age twelve he began a journal that was eventually published as a book of memoirs, Now You Hear My Horn (1968). This account vividly describes his life, beginning with his travels to Texas. The Nichols and Johnson Day families traveled the Tennessee, the Mississippi, and the Red Rivers to Natchitoches, Louisiana, and from there they traveled overland to Guadalupe-Gonzales counties, Texas. Nichols's journal says the party crossed the Sabine River into Texas on December 16, 1836......Nichols married Mary Ann Daniell, daughter of Rev. George Daniell of Gonzales County. He and his wife had twelve children. He died in Kerrville on October 8, 1891.

William Powell Daniel born in VA, and died in Coffee County TN. Born about 1755 and died in 1836. Had 2 marriages and the second one was to a Elizabeth. Each marriage had 8 children. Would like additional information on his parents and his family. jcburrow@sbcglobal.net

I have found the name Donald and Daniel - both as forename and surname used more or less interchangeably in the Scottish records well into the mid 1800s. Particularly in the western highlands and nearby areas. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Daniel" <danielg@faytechcc.edu> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] MacDomhnuill, MacDaniel,McDaniel, Daniell, Daniel > From the Clan Donald website http://www.clan-donald-usa.org/septs.htm , > I submit the following info: > > > * Some people and clan associations speak of a "sept list" to > indicate the various names associated with their clan. It is the > official position of the Clan Donald-USA Genealogy Committee that > this an improper use of the term, at least when speaking of Clan > Donald, and probably when speaking of *any* Highland clan. Our > preferred terminology is "Families of Clan Donald." > * Many Clan Donald name variants are derived from a root name -- > usually more closely tied to the /gaelic/ original. The identified > root names are indicated by a number in front of the name in this > list. A number following a name refers the reader to the correct > root name. > * The anglified prefixes for the /gaelic/"mac" or "mhic" (Mac, Mc, > Ma, M') are all interchangeable, and indicate *no* special > importance as to Highland, Island or Eire (Irish) family origins. > * Most of the family names connected to Clan Donald have territorial > limitations. (This is true with names connected with almost all > clans, although many do not recognize or impose those > restrictions, leading to unseemly confrontations about, for > example, "my Clark" no "MY Clark!" -- when almost every clan > probably had families named Clark attached to them -- from the > clerks or clerics who did most of the accounting and book work. > The same can be said of Gowans, Smiths, Taylors and a number of > others.) > * Clan Donald feels that these territorial limitations are > important. Therefore, where those limitations are listed, a > prospective member must indicate that *his* or *her* family of the > correct name did come from the indicated area before they may be > accepted for membership. Abbreviations for these territories are > at the end of the name list. > * A list of the main References used in the development of this > table is at the end. Many of these are primary documents or > original research of primary records. > > > Daniel (53)Only those from West Highlands & Islands or Antrim and *must* > have originally been a MACDANIEL. Approx. 5% of all Daniels are of Scots > ancestry. 1 in 200 may be of Clan Donald. > > Donald (53)Only those who were originally MacDonald > > Donaldson (53)Only those who were originally MacDonald > > Donnell (53)Only those who were originally MacDonnell. O'Donnell is not > related. > > > MacDaniel (53)Another form of MacDonald, mainly found in the American > South, where the two names were almost completely interchangeable. No > more than 1 in 10 Daniels originally had a MAC. > > The MacDaniel derivations are not territorial but are simply due to > "free" spelling by clerks, census takers, ships captains, etc., > particularly in the American South. > > MacDonald Derived from: Gaelic MacDomhnuill - "son of Donald (world > ruler)". Angus Mor MacDonald, son of Donald MacRanald MacSomerled, was > first of the name. > > MacDonell (53)Form used by Glengarry & Keppoch branches > > MacDonnell (53)Form used by Clan Donald South > > Some Daniel, Daniell, Daniels etc had a Mac, Mc, or M' as part of the > name but the "prefix" was dropped when the name was Anglicized. There > were various reasons for this; sometimes political, sometimes a matter > of expediency and other times because of the lack of literacy. > > Having said that. most Daniel, Daniell, Daniels etc NEVER had Mac, Mc, > M' appended to the name. They were not of Highland derivation. > > I hope this info is of some help and will help eliminate some confusion. > > Gerald Daniel > > > > A post from the MaDANIEL List which may interest some. > > > > > > > The McDaniel surname appears to be both father's name and personal > > characteristic in origin. It is believed to be associated with the > > Scots, Welsh and > > English and has the meaning " Son of Daniel" or " Dienal" (attractive) > > and it > > also meant; one who was attractive plus full of wisdom. (The Biblical > > Daniel > > means-"Judged of God.") > > > > An old Coat of Arms is "Azure Lion Rampart Or"-or a standing gold colored > > lion on a shield of blue without a family motto. As the Coat of Arms > > is simple in > > construction, it probably was issued around 1100 A.D., when Coat of Arms > > first began to be used. This Coat of Arms is representative, as the > > McDaniel who > > was assigned it is not known. > > > > Coat of Arms are, and were, assigned to individuals, not families. > > > > Yes, McDaniel originated within Clan McDonald and is know as a Sept, or > > branch, of the McDonalds. In the 1600 and 1700s McDaniel and McDonald > > were often > > used interchangeably. Beginning around early 1800 the mixing of names > > began to > > become rare. Today each is a distinct surname, at least in the United > > States. > > > > In North Ireland, where I was the guest of a McDaniel family, the name is > > pronounced "Mur" Daniel not as we American say "Mack" Daniel. > > > > Curtis McDaniel > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. >

From the Clan Donald website http://www.clan-donald-usa.org/septs.htm , I submit the following info: * Some people and clan associations speak of a "sept list" to indicate the various names associated with their clan. It is the official position of the Clan Donald-USA Genealogy Committee that this an improper use of the term, at least when speaking of Clan Donald, and probably when speaking of *any* Highland clan. Our preferred terminology is "Families of Clan Donald." * Many Clan Donald name variants are derived from a root name -- usually more closely tied to the /gaelic/ original. The identified root names are indicated by a number in front of the name in this list. A number following a name refers the reader to the correct root name. * The anglified prefixes for the /gaelic/"mac" or "mhic" (Mac, Mc, Ma, M') are all interchangeable, and indicate *no* special importance as to Highland, Island or Eire (Irish) family origins. * Most of the family names connected to Clan Donald have territorial limitations. (This is true with names connected with almost all clans, although many do not recognize or impose those restrictions, leading to unseemly confrontations about, for example, "my Clark" no "MY Clark!" -- when almost every clan probably had families named Clark attached to them -- from the clerks or clerics who did most of the accounting and book work. The same can be said of Gowans, Smiths, Taylors and a number of others.) * Clan Donald feels that these territorial limitations are important. Therefore, where those limitations are listed, a prospective member must indicate that *his* or *her* family of the correct name did come from the indicated area before they may be accepted for membership. Abbreviations for these territories are at the end of the name list. * A list of the main References used in the development of this table is at the end. Many of these are primary documents or original research of primary records. Daniel (53)Only those from West Highlands & Islands or Antrim and *must* have originally been a MACDANIEL. Approx. 5% of all Daniels are of Scots ancestry. 1 in 200 may be of Clan Donald. Donald (53)Only those who were originally MacDonald Donaldson (53)Only those who were originally MacDonald Donnell (53)Only those who were originally MacDonnell. O'Donnell is not related. MacDaniel (53)Another form of MacDonald, mainly found in the American South, where the two names were almost completely interchangeable. No more than 1 in 10 Daniels originally had a MAC. The MacDaniel derivations are not territorial but are simply due to "free" spelling by clerks, census takers, ships captains, etc., particularly in the American South. MacDonald Derived from: Gaelic MacDomhnuill - "son of Donald (world ruler)". Angus Mor MacDonald, son of Donald MacRanald MacSomerled, was first of the name. MacDonell (53)Form used by Glengarry & Keppoch branches MacDonnell (53)Form used by Clan Donald South Some Daniel, Daniell, Daniels etc had a Mac, Mc, or M' as part of the name but the "prefix" was dropped when the name was Anglicized. There were various reasons for this; sometimes political, sometimes a matter of expediency and other times because of the lack of literacy. Having said that. most Daniel, Daniell, Daniels etc NEVER had Mac, Mc, M' appended to the name. They were not of Highland derivation. I hope this info is of some help and will help eliminate some confusion. Gerald Daniel A post from the MaDANIEL List which may interest some. > > > The McDaniel surname appears to be both father's name and personal > characteristic in origin. It is believed to be associated with the > Scots, Welsh and > English and has the meaning " Son of Daniel" or " Dienal" (attractive) > and it > also meant; one who was attractive plus full of wisdom. (The Biblical > Daniel > means-"Judged of God.") > > An old Coat of Arms is "Azure Lion Rampart Or"-or a standing gold colored > lion on a shield of blue without a family motto. As the Coat of Arms > is simple in > construction, it probably was issued around 1100 A.D., when Coat of Arms > first began to be used. This Coat of Arms is representative, as the > McDaniel who > was assigned it is not known. > > Coat of Arms are, and were, assigned to individuals, not families. > > Yes, McDaniel originated within Clan McDonald and is know as a Sept, or > branch, of the McDonalds. In the 1600 and 1700s McDaniel and McDonald > were often > used interchangeably. Beginning around early 1800 the mixing of names > began to > become rare. Today each is a distinct surname, at least in the United > States. > > In North Ireland, where I was the guest of a McDaniel family, the name is > pronounced "Mur" Daniel not as we American say "Mack" Daniel. > > Curtis McDaniel >

Good Morning, I thought this list, posted recently in the GA Military archives is very, very interesting. Included in this list is Phillip DELL, the father of Sarah DELL who married Enoch DANIEL. Not only was their property confiscated but they were banished from the confines of GA. This act was passed by the GA House on 15 July 1783 in Savannah. The name, Benjamin BRANTLEY also caught my attention but I have not had a chance to go all through the list to check each name against my records for some of these folks. One must remember two things about any Tory. One, they generally had money and were trying to protect what they had and two, there were a lot of name changes after this war as they sought to hide their Tory past. This may well be some indication why it has been so hard for some of us to find our DANIEL ancestors because they folks were hiding their tracks or getting out of Dodge in a rather hurry because the victorious Rebels were in no mood to coddle these folks, one bit..... I know some of these McDONALDS went to Canada on land given to them by the Crown to replace land they lost in the colonies. That John MAXWELL has to be out of the MAXWELL family of Liberty County, GA and the POLHILLS were of Savannah, later Richmond and Burke County, GA so some of them stayed around Georgia. I also wonder if that John PROCTOR was the father of Hannah PROCTOR born 1778 who married Gen. John SCREVEN, Jr. (1777-1830). This may be the reason we can find nothing on her father. Their daughter, Martha Eleanor SCREVEN, married William Coffee DANIEL. All of these folks were Savannah folks and that was a hot bed of Tory support during the RW. I also noted a GRAHAM and MARTIN marriage in Liberty County, GA in this same time frame and their son, Angus MARTIN married Margaret Taylor DANIEL, son of Abraham DANIEL and Jane MOORE of Liberty County, GA, d/o a Samuel MOORE, which is a name also on this list. Interesting, very interesting.. These MARTIN and GRAHAM families were recently from England and Scotland, so their support for the Crown would have been normal. A lot of these folks also bailed out to FL, as well as other surrounding states, in the years following the close of the RW, which may be why we later see some of our DANIEL folks, there, too. I will bet there are lots of their descendants in the DAR, too. <grin> <<<< Sir J.Wright C.W.Mackinea Robert French Bart Alexan. Rose Will. Balfour John Graham C.Wright sen Isaac Downing Alex. Wright Robert Porteous Isaac Fulton L. McGillivray Jermyn Wright Acd. McNielly John Mullryne C. Wright (son James Lyle Josiah Tattnall of James) Joseph Marshal Basil Cowper J. McGillivray John Pig William Telfair Tim Barnard John Brown Alex. McGoun Issac Delyon Th. Rutherford T.Tallemach Peter Edwards David Green Sam. Douglass Roger Kelsall Ph. Hevelstine L.Johnston sen Thomas Young W.Hammond L.Johnston jun Simon Munro G. Johnston sen. Wm. Johnston Henry Munro John Johnston Samuel Farley James Spalding William Corker Ja. Alexander Alex Crighton John Corker James Butler Rod. McIntosh Wil. Mangrum John Wood Will. McIntosh Will. Durgan Robert Reid (Indiantrader) James Hunt John Storr Cha. McDonald William Young Thomas Ried John McDonald Matthew Moore Ph. Delegal sen. Don. McDonald Henry Sharp Ph. Delegal jun. Daniel McLeod Cordy Sharp John Glenn D.B. McIntosh Will. McNatt J. Bead Randel John Polson S. Montgomery John C. Lucena William Rose Benj. Brantley Nathaniel Hall John Westley Elias Bonnell Tho. Gibbons -- McKay (St. Absalom Wells John Fox jun. Andrew's) John Ferguson John Simpson of Ar. Carney jun. William Ried Sabine Fields Will Dawson Thomas Beatty Mat. Stewart Charles Watts Thomas Waters Thomas Ross Samuel Shepard Henry Williams John J. Zubly James Carson John Douglass Dav. Zubly jun. John Martin William White George Baillie (Jekyl) Sam. Williams William Wylly John Kitching Daniel Philips Campbel Wylly J.W. Williams James Gordon Levi Sheftal William Clark Abr. Wilkins James Herriott R. Demere jun. Samuel Wilkins James Graham John Proctor Jonath. Wilkins James Hume Daniel McGirt William Tidwel John Hume James McGirt Reuben Sherral Tho. Goldsmith George Aarons J. Grierson (Cl) James Wright William Willis Andrew Moore (Major) Absal. Mincey John Howard Ja. Robertson H. Cooper sen. Will. Manson H. Yonge jun. H. Cooper jun. James Ingram Joseph Farley William Cooper Edward Ashton John Foulis Philip Dell J Seymour (RJ) Tho. Flyming James Dell M. Weatherford Alex. Thomson James Pace sen. John Henderson R. McCormick Ch.F. Triebner J. Weatherford Thomas Forbes Steph. Dampier George Philips T. Brown (Cl.) Peter Blyth Alex. McLean W. Jones (Sav.) John Blyth Benj. Howard Martin Jollie Ulrick Gruber Tho. Howard Donald Fraser Joseph Johnston And. Robertson Isaac Bailleu John Johnston Don. Cameron George Kincaid William Love John Jamieson William Knox John Love William Oates John Murray John Thomas Thomas Scott Geo. Cuthbert David Russel Richard Bailey W. McGillivray Matthew Lyle John Coppinger Peter Deas Robert Miller Tho. Manson George Fox John Robertson Jacob Watson Moses Kirkland Daniel Howel And. Johnston J. Lightenstone Alexan. Carter C. Weatherford William Lyford Ro. Wolfington John Furlow Andrew Hewat William Tucker James Jackson Alexan. Inglis J. McCormick (Augusta) James Brisbane P. McCormick Will. Johnston William Miller Ro. Henderson F. Folliot (D.) William Moss Lud Mobley T. Taylor (D.) Philip Moore James Herbert Simeon Paterson William Panton James Moore Nathan. Polhill Tho. Skinner Samuel Moore John Maxwell J.M. Tattnall Joseph Cornals Soloman Kemp. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

A post from the MaDANIEL List which may interest some. <<< Until about 1100 A.D. most people in Europe (where the McDaniel name originated) had only one name. As the population increased it became awkward to live in a village where perhaps one-third of the males were John, another sizable percentage William and so forth. So to distinguish one John from another a second name was added. The four primary sources for the second name were: father's name, occupation, location and personal characteristic. The McDaniel surname appears to be both father's name and personal characteristic in origin. It is believed to be associated with the Scots, Welsh and English and has the meaning " Son of Daniel" or " Dienal" (attractive) and it also meant; one who was attractive plus full of wisdom. (The Biblical Daniel means-"Judged of God.") An old Coat of Arms is "Azure Lion Rampart Or"-or a standing gold colored lion on a shield of blue without a family motto. As the Coat of Arms is simple in construction, it probably was issued around 1100 A.D., when Coat of Arms first began to be used. This Coat of Arms is representative, as the McDaniel who was assigned it is not known. Coat of Arms are, and were, assigned to individuals, not families. Yes, McDaniel originated within Clan McDonald and is know as a Sept, or branch, of the McDonalds. In the 1600 and 1700s McDaniel and McDonald were often used interchangeably. Beginning around early 1800 the mixing of names began to become rare. Today each is a distinct surname, at least in the United States. In North Ireland, where I was the guest of a McDaniel family, the name is pronounced "Mur" Daniel not as we American say "Mack" Daniel. Curtis McDaniel >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Evening, I recently ran across a few deeds which listed a William DANIEL of Chowan County, NC who was involved with some PEELES, COLEMANS, ASHLEYS and a few more. I have included those deeds, below. Does anybody know this overall family? Note: Robert WEST was Robert WEST,. Jr. b. ABT 1685 the son of Martha CULLEN and Robert WEST, Jr. Martha later married Thomas POLLOCK ABt 1690 and she was the mother of George POLLOCK who married Elizabeth WHITMELL and Sarah SWAIN, Martha POLLOCK who married Thomas BRAY, Cullen POLLOCK, Esq. who married Frances WEST and Thomas POLLOCK, Jr, who married Elizabeth SANDERSON. Needham BRYAN I (1690-1770) was married to Anne RAMBEAU, Susannah HARRELL and Susan WOODWARD. The key DANIEL link is Needham's daughter, Rachel who married William WHITFIELD, the brother of Matthew WHITFIELD who was the father of Betsy WHITFIELD who married Capt. Aaron DANIEL. So, Rachel Bryan WHITFIELD was the aunt of Betsy WHITFIELD (b. ABT 1740) who married Aaron DANIEL (BEF 1733-ABT 1800). If you have any YELVERTONS around your bunch in this area, drop me a note. However, I will be out of pocket until late Sunday night because our youngest daughter is graduating from the Grady School of Journalism at UGA on Friday, April 30th. <<< John Yelverton & wife Elizabeth to John Steward Nov. 12, 1723...100a. on SS Morrattacky River on Flaggy Run. By pat. dated Mar 13, 1724. Adj. Robert West. wit: NEEDHAM BRYAN, John Page. Nansemond County, VA Deeds. This may be a link to my DANIEL bunch... 22 May 1727 Will Daniel deeded to Will[iam] Peele [son of William Peelle (1679)] in consideration of £10, 200 acres on the West side of Bennetts Creek in Chowan Precinct, being part of 440 granted to said Daniel, 1 March 1721. Signed by name. Wit: Frank Pugh, Will (his X mark) Ashley. (Hathaways Vol III Page 127, Abstracts of Conveyances, Register of Deeds Office, Chowan County, NC) 27 May 1727 William Daniel deeded to William Peele [son of William Peelle (1679)] in consideration of £10, 200 acres on the North side of Bennetts Creek in Chowan Precinct, being part of 440 granted to said Daniel, 1 March 1721. Signed by name. Wit: Francis Pugh, Will (his X mark) Ashley. (Hathaways Vol I Page 112, Abstracts of Conveyances, Register of Deeds Office, Chowan County, NC) 15 Dec 1739 William Coleman, son of Robert Colemen of the Upper Parish of Nansemond Co., VA deeded to Robert Peale [Peelle] son of William Peale [Peelle (1679)] of the Parish and Co., aforesaid in consideration for 20 Pounds current money of Virginia, 167 acres in Chowan precinct, NC near Bennetts Creek, lately purchased by Robert Coleman father of William Colemen, 16 July 1734, & willed by the said Robert Colemen to son William Coleman, land adjoining William Spires, Olive Morgan, Thomas Norflett, Capt. Da--- Pugh, John Joanes. Signed William (his W mark) Coleman, Jain (her J mark) Dickinson. Wit: John (his X mark) More, Jesse (his J mark) Peele, William Peele. Recorded Oct Court 1758. [Note that this deed was recorded in Oct 1758, 19 years after the purchase. Also see the entry for 10 May 1697.] (Chowan County, NC, Deed Book M, Page 60.) 15 Jun 1774 Robert Peele of Chowan Co., NC, deeded to Luke Sumner of the same, in consideration for 25 Pounds, 3 shillings, & 11 pence, 100 acres near a branch out of Bennetts Creek, called Flatt branch, the plantation whereon said Robert and his Mother Sarah Peel now liveth. Signed: Robert (his "RP" mark) Peele. Wit: John (his X mark) Millar, James (his X mark) Jones alias Sketo, David & Seth Sumner. Recorded March 1775. (Chowan County, NC, Deed Book Q, Page 173.) >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Hello Daniel list, I will be putting out an update for the Daniel DNA project this weekend. A lot has been happening lately! A couple of lists I belong to are absolutely burying me in emails, so I am way behind on my reading/replying. Sorry if there are emails that I have not replied to in the past few weeks. I will try to get caught up this weekend. I have seen some discussion of 12 marker results, but I have not looked to see the particulars of these results and discussions. I will say that 12 marker matches are getting pretty common. I have 26 of those, five to other Daniels. One of these other Daniels is not a match on the 25 marker test, however, with 5 markers being different. That means we are related but in the distant past before surnames where used. A match with another Daniel on a 12 marker test should be an interesting finding, but not considered proof of a common Daniel ancestor, unless there is some primary record evidence to support the relationship. The only way to prove the relationship has occurred within the time that the use of surnames became common is if both participants have taken the 25 marker test. Even then, however, lacking evidence from primary records, it is difficult to determine exactly when the common ancestor of the participants lived. In some cases, where there is no evidence from primary records to narrow the time frame when the common ancestor lived, the 37 marker test may be needed. Just a comment. Not sure if this pertains to any the discussion that has been going on on the list in the past few weeks. Kevin

Hi John, Thanks for your e-mail to Joe. I don't think he is a subscriber to this list but he had asked me to forward his letter to the list. Vickie Lomon and I forward any of your messages that we think Joe would be interested in reading. About my own family: I go from Kentucky to Illinois and search in the cellar archives of county courthouses, libraries and genealogy societies. My information is documented for my family through Joseph Edward Daniel, Sr. However, I can't find anything in those areas for our "Brick Wall", Edward Daniel, Sr. and his wife, Anna unknown. It is obvious that you do have information about thousands of surnames, but Vickie, Joe and I aren't aware that you have any concrete information for our lines. Vickie and Joe do have documention and have both done much research. I have only been doing genealogy about 10 years. Best wishes and Happy Hunting! Evelyn Daniel/Daniels Hansson

Joe, I have 17 HODGES in my database and everyone of them are from Eastern NC or Georgia in the post 1750 time frame. I have the one MAYS in my data base and I listed that to Vickie but I have lots of MAY, MAYO and MOYE families in my current 46.078 person database. I carry just one LACY and they were out of Goochland County, VA but I think there were some more tied to one or more of the VA lines. There are some DANIEL families I know pretty well and some that I do not. There are some DANIEL collateral families that I have lots of data on and some that I do not. Most of my data relates to families of NC, VA, SC and Georgia, which is the primary location of most members of the DANIEL family, then and now. When Vickie asked me my two bits on her collateral names, I told her that it sounded like "apples and oranges" to me. This is "not that it was" apples and oranges, only that it sounded like that to me, because I had no collateral information that tended to show a known blend in the names she listed. When someone throws in a IL, OH or IN line into this equation, I can only give them my best opinion on the names they list, as I did Vickie. "Genealogical research is not personal, even though some tend to make it so." Genealogical research is primarily historical research and all historians have disagreements, as relates to certain historical events, primary source documents and even the interpretation of those documents and events. If history were written according to the same standards that some family histories have been written, then history books would be found in the fiction section at your local book store or library, history books would indicate the South actually won the Civil War and others would indicate we are still a part of the English Empire. Thank God, historians have generally held their works to loftier standards, although a lot of the recent "revisionist stuff" would probably be better suited in the fiction instead of non-fiction section of your local book store or library. Most family history books have been written with primarily one concept in mind -- "marketability." County and other local history books have also been generally written with the same profit motive in mind. Have you ever noticed the correlation between the names of the subscribers to these local histories and the names of the families actually covered in these works? They are almost 1:1. Huxford did much the same thing in his POWG series, which covered families in the Wire Grass area of Southern Georgia. I like to look at works, like this, for what they really are -- "paid advertisements" and there was then no "truth in advertising statues" covering the accuracy of such works in those days. <grin> Now, we accept most anything ever written in these early works as Gospel, when are really far from it. Even today, this same principle is often true. I am sure many of you have seen persons sending out emails to members of various mailing lists asking them to subscribe to a certain county history book they are in the process of writing. What do you want to bet the families covered in this new work will be many of the same families whose descendants have subscribed to this new book? The same goes for many family genealogical books. Can you imagine writing a book on a certain family and not making sure that this family was not descended from, at the very least, royalty or a very famous person or two? If you, as the author, did not meet this bare minimum requirement, you would end up "eating all of these books," instead of the apples and oranges you planed to buy with your profits from the sale of these books. I leaned two principles a long time ago -- "there is a little bit of truth in the biggest lie" and "there are some lies in the biggest truth." Most family and local history books fall between these two extremes, which is why I take information from either of these types of works, as only a "guide," and not a source of primary information. The primary problem with most of these types of works is their authors lost one of the key principles of historical (or genealogical) research -- objectivity........ There are two things that make this world go around, the inseparable twins of "money and power," either of which can subvert, as well as change, our interpretation of history or genealogy, whichever the case may be...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Evelyn Hansson" <wetwo@kyblue.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Edward Daniel, Sr. and wife, Anna unknown. > >From Joe Daniel/Daniels to Evelyn Daniel/Daniels Hansson: > > Hello Cuz. > I am supposed to get my results on the 37 marker test tomorrow. They have > taken a long time. On Mr. Clarke, if you have been following emails he > does > not have a clue about our line. His statement about the Mayes family > shows > that. I would think that if he questions some ones line with the apples > and > oranges thing he should back up his remarks with FACTS. As you know we > have > plenty of documentation for the following families: Mayes, Hodges, > Greenlee > and Lacey. We have not been able to take our Edward Daniel Sr. and his > parents or the surname of his wife Anna. We have through DNA to Basil > Daniel and another one for Edward Daniel. I wish more people would do the > DNA so that all of us might get over our "Brick Walls." > Joe Daniels > > > This from Evelyn Daniels Hansson: > > Through Joe's DNA, 12, 15 and 37 markers we have matched with 10 other > persons who have done the test. My nephew, Michael Daniels, son of my > deceased brother, Ray Daniels has taken the 12 marker and should receive > the > results any day. When these results arrive they will be posted to the > DANIEL DNA site and it would show again the matches for all the previous > men > who have been tested. These matches are through our Edward Daniel, Sr. > line. > We do hope some Daniel men from other lines will take the DNA test. We > believe the DNA testing is, at this time, the best way to learn of our > ancestors and the most positive way with no doubts of its accuracy! I do > have documented information for some of my DANIEL spouses, however I can't > learn anything about my great-grandmother, Nancy MAYS who was born in > Kentucky in 1845. I don't know which county in Kentucky her family were > living in at the time she was born. I welcome any information about Nancy > MAYS Daniel. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net > >

I see what you are saying, Joe and Evelyn are a generation before me, perhaps more people will get involved with the DNA project and help break down some of these barriers. "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> wrote:Vicki, There are several other lines that need to be looked at via DNA testing. We need more Middlesex DANIEL lines and some of the Cunningham-Daniel-Kelso line out of PE and later Greene County, Ga. Most of all we need well documented lines and not those lines that stop at a certain point and their descendants "think" of "have always heard" they descend from one particular DANIEL line or another. We also have to establish a base line for each DANIEL line that we discover in order to be able to determine which families were related to that DANIEL line and whether that relationship was in the distant past or was closer to the present. I think as we go on we will find the 25 marker test is sufficient if it is combined with good documentary evidence. A five generation separation is about at the second cousin level and most second cousins have some idea who their other second cousins are. If you happen to have some DNA from your 4th GGF, that is a five generation separation between you and him but since most of us do not, then our testing is based on descendants down to different lines that share a common ancestor. Also remember, you are playing with statistics in this DNA test and the width of the period in which these tests indicate there is a relationship between two identically matched individuals is much wider than it probably really is. Most of our American ancestors are within 7-10 generations with most probably as close as half of that. However, you have to double that number of generations because you are actually working down two different legs of the same family. First cousins, share grandfathers, second cousins share great-grandfathers, third cousins share 2nd great grandfathers, fourth cousins share 3rd great grandfathers, 5th cousins share 4th great grandfathers and so on. All of these should match, perfectly, a 12 marker test and probably the 25 marker test. Most of my 4th GGF's were born in the early to mid 1700 time frame and while the 25 marker DNA test may not statistically reach that far back with perfect results, it should be sufficient when combined with other documentary evidence. My guess is -- if you getting differences on the 25 marker test, then your total separation is probably pretty close to the 4th GFF level, or greater. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DANIEL-L] Posting my ancestors for the DANIEL line. > Yes, you are correct, we are cousins, yes, Joe is supposedly recieve his > information tomorrow, lets hope there are no delays, They say there are > native american tests available to. It may or may not reveal native > american ancestry. But it's worth a shot. I think the 37 marker test is > supposed to narrow it down to five generations? Don't hold me to it, but I > think that what I was told. I just wish more Daniel descendants would > submit. Especially those lines that haven't been tested yet. Captain Allen > Daniel from Prince George, VA. and the Charleston Bunch. It would > certainly be of some interests to prove or disprove connections based on > the DNA facts and not the assumptions of researchers that have no direct > facts or links to the lines involved. Vic > > Ken and Evelyn Hansson wrote:Vickie, Joe e-mailed me > after I sent him the posting I sent to Daniel-L. His > 37 marker DNA should arrive tomorrow. I'm really excited! My nephew's 12 > marker went out about the same time as Joe's 37 so Michael's should be > arriving soon too. My line was Daniel but my grandfather, Charles Daniel > added the s when he married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton and that made all > his > children Daniels. The same thing happened to Joe Daniels. A Robert Daniel > who has been corresponding with me on the Daniel-L has just done the 25 > marker and thinks it will be back in a couple months. I believe you are > right when you say you think the DNA will open doors for us. Just think > how > many people we can compare history of Daniel with and surely we will learn > from which country in Europe our Daniel families originated. I'm going to > do > the DNA for Daniel and Crow. Crow is my mother's line. I know they want > direct male testers but I think the female will tell me something....maybe > that Nancy Mays was Cherokee. > > Keep in touch. > > Evelyn Daniels Hansson (I guess since Joe and I are 4th cousins you and I > are too?) > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL

Vicki, There are several other lines that need to be looked at via DNA testing. We need more Middlesex DANIEL lines and some of the Cunningham-Daniel-Kelso line out of PE and later Greene County, Ga. Most of all we need well documented lines and not those lines that stop at a certain point and their descendants "think" of "have always heard" they descend from one particular DANIEL line or another. We also have to establish a base line for each DANIEL line that we discover in order to be able to determine which families were related to that DANIEL line and whether that relationship was in the distant past or was closer to the present. I think as we go on we will find the 25 marker test is sufficient if it is combined with good documentary evidence. A five generation separation is about at the second cousin level and most second cousins have some idea who their other second cousins are. If you happen to have some DNA from your 4th GGF, that is a five generation separation between you and him but since most of us do not, then our testing is based on descendants down to different lines that share a common ancestor. Also remember, you are playing with statistics in this DNA test and the width of the period in which these tests indicate there is a relationship between two identically matched individuals is much wider than it probably really is. Most of our American ancestors are within 7-10 generations with most probably as close as half of that. However, you have to double that number of generations because you are actually working down two different legs of the same family. First cousins, share grandfathers, second cousins share great-grandfathers, third cousins share 2nd great grandfathers, fourth cousins share 3rd great grandfathers, 5th cousins share 4th great grandfathers and so on. All of these should match, perfectly, a 12 marker test and probably the 25 marker test. Most of my 4th GGF's were born in the early to mid 1700 time frame and while the 25 marker DNA test may not statistically reach that far back with perfect results, it should be sufficient when combined with other documentary evidence. My guess is -- if you getting differences on the 25 marker test, then your total separation is probably pretty close to the 4th GFF level, or greater. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" <vlomon@yahoo.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DANIEL-L] Posting my ancestors for the DANIEL line. > Yes, you are correct, we are cousins, yes, Joe is supposedly recieve his > information tomorrow, lets hope there are no delays, They say there are > native american tests available to. It may or may not reveal native > american ancestry. But it's worth a shot. I think the 37 marker test is > supposed to narrow it down to five generations? Don't hold me to it, but I > think that what I was told. I just wish more Daniel descendants would > submit. Especially those lines that haven't been tested yet. Captain Allen > Daniel from Prince George, VA. and the Charleston Bunch. It would > certainly be of some interests to prove or disprove connections based on > the DNA facts and not the assumptions of researchers that have no direct > facts or links to the lines involved. Vic > > Ken and Evelyn Hansson <wetwo@kyblue.com> wrote:Vickie, Joe e-mailed me > after I sent him the posting I sent to Daniel-L. His > 37 marker DNA should arrive tomorrow. I'm really excited! My nephew's 12 > marker went out about the same time as Joe's 37 so Michael's should be > arriving soon too. My line was Daniel but my grandfather, Charles Daniel > added the s when he married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton and that made all > his > children Daniels. The same thing happened to Joe Daniels. A Robert Daniel > who has been corresponding with me on the Daniel-L has just done the 25 > marker and thinks it will be back in a couple months. I believe you are > right when you say you think the DNA will open doors for us. Just think > how > many people we can compare history of Daniel with and surely we will learn > from which country in Europe our Daniel families originated. I'm going to > do > the DNA for Daniel and Crow. Crow is my mother's line. I know they want > direct male testers but I think the female will tell me something....maybe > that Nancy Mays was Cherokee. > > Keep in touch. > > Evelyn Daniels Hansson (I guess since Joe and I are 4th cousins you and I > are too?) > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

From Joe Daniel/Daniels to Evelyn Daniel/Daniels Hansson: Hello Cuz. I am supposed to get my results on the 37 marker test tomorrow. They have taken a long time. On Mr. Clarke, if you have been following emails he does not have a clue about our line. His statement about the Mayes family shows that. I would think that if he questions some ones line with the apples and oranges thing he should back up his remarks with FACTS. As you know we have plenty of documentation for the following families: Mayes, Hodges, Greenlee and Lacey. We have not been able to take our Edward Daniel Sr. and his parents or the surname of his wife Anna. We have through DNA to Basil Daniel and another one for Edward Daniel. I wish more people would do the DNA so that all of us might get over our "Brick Walls." Joe Daniels This from Evelyn Daniels Hansson: Through Joe's DNA, 12, 15 and 37 markers we have matched with 10 other persons who have done the test. My nephew, Michael Daniels, son of my deceased brother, Ray Daniels has taken the 12 marker and should receive the results any day. When these results arrive they will be posted to the DANIEL DNA site and it would show again the matches for all the previous men who have been tested. These matches are through our Edward Daniel, Sr. line. We do hope some Daniel men from other lines will take the DNA test. We believe the DNA testing is, at this time, the best way to learn of our ancestors and the most positive way with no doubts of its accuracy! I do have documented information for some of my DANIEL spouses, however I can't learn anything about my great-grandmother, Nancy MAYS who was born in Kentucky in 1845. I don't know which county in Kentucky her family were living in at the time she was born. I welcome any information about Nancy MAYS Daniel.

If the following statement is true then the implication that the DANIELL family is the most cobbled up family we have in the DANIELL family is subject to interpretation. "The DANIELL family of Charleston, up through and including the family of John DANIELL and Sarah RAVEN of Brunswick County, NC, is "reasonably clean" and I agree with almost everything that is written about this family, with a few exceptions.." "reasonably clean" sounds better than "most cobbled up". Thanks for you comments and explanations. Payne -- What's the definition of a will? (It's a dead giveaway.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Stephen Bedon Daniel Payne, If there is any DANIEL related family I have thoroughly researched, it is the Robert DANIELL: (1646-1718) family of Charleston, SC. There is not a deed, marriage record or collateral family of this DANIELL family of which I am not aware or have copies. With all of my many links to Charleston and to its major families, I would be negligent in my research if I did not do so. The DANIELL family of Charleston, up through and including the family of John DANIELL and Sarah RAVEN of Brunswick County, NC, is "reasonably clean" and I agree with almost everything that is written about this family, with a few exceptions However, my acceptance of the assignments in this family ends with a person who is supposedly John and Sarah's son, William DANIELL, Sr. (1743-1840) of Bogart, Oconee County, GA. It is this family of Bogart to which I was referring, since they are the only known descendants of this family that I am aware of, although I am sure there are others. I do not have time to go into all of the things I feel are incorrect or inconsistent about this DANIELL family. Let's just say they are many and leave it at that. If you are anyone else is interested, I will be more than happy to provide either of you with what I feel or assignment problems and other pertinent details about this family that need to be corrected. I know we have already corrected a few of these assignments but there are still others that need to be corrected, especially in the family of what they refer to as his first wife. About the only thing I will accept about this DANIEL family of Bogart, GA is that John and Sarah Raven DANIELL of Brunswick County, NC had a son named, William, who was born ABT 1740 and may or may not be the William DANIEL, Sr. (1743-1840) whose descendants in Bogart, Oconee County, GA.have long claimed to be a son of this John and Sarah Ravem DANIEL. Do they have sufficient documentary evidence to meet the burden of proof for this assignment - Not in my opinion. Do they have DNA analysis to prove this assignment - "No." John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Stephen Bedon Daniel > John, > > Isn't the statement you made below is a bit heavy handed? Why are you now > troubled for the need for "over, overwhelming" evidence? What claims > disturb you so much about this family which I assume is Robert Daniell of > Charleston, or is it just the Daniell family as a whole? > > > > "I learned a long time ago, never to trust anything this DANIELL family > says > about anything, unless the evidence is over, overwhelming...Regardless, > this > DANIELL family is the most cobbled up family we have in the DANIELL family > and they have not one bit of DNA evidence to back up any of their claims." > > Remember to old song, "accetuate the positive, eliminate the negative"? > > For those who suffer in silence. Payne > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is JClarke@rose.net

Vickie, I downloaded all the Captain Allen Daniel pedigree years ago and I never could see any connection to my line. Maybe there is but I haven't found it. Got to hit the sack now. It is ll:00 here and that is l/2 an hour past this old gal's bedtime. :O) Evelyn

Vickie, Joe e-mailed me after I sent him the posting I sent to Daniel-L. His 37 marker DNA should arrive tomorrow. I'm really excited! My nephew's 12 marker went out about the same time as Joe's 37 so Michael's should be arriving soon too. My line was Daniel but my grandfather, Charles Daniel added the s when he married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton and that made all his children Daniels. The same thing happened to Joe Daniels. A Robert Daniel who has been corresponding with me on the Daniel-L has just done the 25 marker and thinks it will be back in a couple months. I believe you are right when you say you think the DNA will open doors for us. Just think how many people we can compare history of Daniel with and surely we will learn from which country in Europe our Daniel families originated. I'm going to do the DNA for Daniel and Crow. Crow is my mother's line. I know they want direct male testers but I think the female will tell me something....maybe that Nancy Mays was Cherokee. Keep in touch. Evelyn Daniels Hansson (I guess since Joe and I are 4th cousins you and I are too?)

Payne, If there is any DANIEL related family I have thoroughly researched, it is the Robert DANIELL: (1646-1718) family of Charleston, SC. There is not a deed, marriage record or collateral family of this DANIELL family of which I am not aware or have copies. With all of my many links to Charleston and to its major families, I would be negligent in my research if I did not do so. The DANIELL family of Charleston, up through and including the family of John DANIELL and Sarah RAVEN of Brunswick County, NC, is "reasonably clean" and I agree with almost everything that is written about this family, with a few exceptions However, my acceptance of the assignments in this family ends with a person who is supposedly John and Sarah's son, William DANIELL, Sr. (1743-1840) of Bogart, Oconee County, GA. It is this family of Bogart to which I was referring, since they are the only known descendants of this family that I am aware of, although I am sure there are others. I do not have time to go into all of the things I feel are incorrect or inconsistent about this DANIELL family. Let's just say they are many and leave it at that. If you are anyone else is interested, I will be more than happy to provide either of you with what I feel or assignment problems and other pertinent details about this family that need to be corrected. I know we have already corrected a few of these assignments but there are still others that need to be corrected, especially in the family of what they refer to as his first wife. About the only thing I will accept about this DANIEL family of Bogart, GA is that John and Sarah Raven DANIELL of Brunswick County, NC had a son named, William, who was born ABT 1740 and may or may not be the William DANIEL, Sr. (1743-1840) whose descendants in Bogart, Oconee County, GA.have long claimed to be a son of this John and Sarah Ravem DANIEL. Do they have sufficient documentary evidence to meet the burden of proof for this assignment - Not in my opinion. Do they have DNA analysis to prove this assignment - "No." John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <gpdfla@tampabay.rr.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Stephen Bedon Daniel > John, > > Isn't the statement you made below is a bit heavy handed? Why are you now > troubled for the need for "over, overwhelming" evidence? What claims > disturb you so much about this family which I assume is Robert Daniell of > Charleston, or is it just the Daniell family as a whole? > > > > "I learned a long time ago, never to trust anything this DANIELL family > says > about anything, unless the evidence is over, overwhelming...Regardless, > this > DANIELL family is the most cobbled up family we have in the DANIELL family > and they have not one bit of DNA evidence to back up any of their claims." > > Remember to old song, "accetuate the positive, eliminate the negative"? > > For those who suffer in silence. Payne > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Yes, you are correct, we are cousins, yes, Joe is supposedly recieve his information tomorrow, lets hope there are no delays, They say there are native american tests available to. It may or may not reveal native american ancestry. But it's worth a shot. I think the 37 marker test is supposed to narrow it down to five generations? Don't hold me to it, but I think that what I was told. I just wish more Daniel descendants would submit. Especially those lines that haven't been tested yet. Captain Allen Daniel from Prince George, VA. and the Charleston Bunch. It would certainly be of some interests to prove or disprove connections based on the DNA facts and not the assumptions of researchers that have no direct facts or links to the lines involved. Vic Ken and Evelyn Hansson <wetwo@kyblue.com> wrote:Vickie, Joe e-mailed me after I sent him the posting I sent to Daniel-L. His 37 marker DNA should arrive tomorrow. I'm really excited! My nephew's 12 marker went out about the same time as Joe's 37 so Michael's should be arriving soon too. My line was Daniel but my grandfather, Charles Daniel added the s when he married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton and that made all his children Daniels. The same thing happened to Joe Daniels. A Robert Daniel who has been corresponding with me on the Daniel-L has just done the 25 marker and thinks it will be back in a couple months. I believe you are right when you say you think the DNA will open doors for us. Just think how many people we can compare history of Daniel with and surely we will learn from which country in Europe our Daniel families originated. I'm going to do the DNA for Daniel and Crow. Crow is my mother's line. I know they want direct male testers but I think the female will tell me something....maybe that Nancy Mays was Cherokee. Keep in touch. Evelyn Daniels Hansson (I guess since Joe and I are 4th cousins you and I are too?) ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe Click on the following link and your message is ready to send Mail Mode: mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe or- Digest Mode: mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

CORRECTION: Joseph and Levisa Greenlee were NOT the parents of the author of this document!! They were my great-great-grandparents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Evelyn Hansson" <wetwo@kyblue.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Posting my ancestors for the DANIEL line. I posted my ancestors in 2003 but realize there are new subscribers to this list who haven't seen it and also there seems to be quite a bit of discussion about my line at this time. Edward Daniel Sr. (our "Brick Wall", born probably in the 1750's. Married Anna unknown, died 1833 and buried in Grainger Co., TN Children of Edward Daniel, Sr.: Esther Daniel born 1776, Henry Co., VA. Married Ligon Mayes 1792, Henry Co., VA. Elizabeth Betsy Daniel born 1778-1783, VA, married Dudley Mayes Feb. 1806, died in Grainger Co. TN. Anna Ann Daniel born 1785, Probably VA, died 2, April 1838, married Jesse Hodges about 1806. John Daniel born 1787 VA., married Hannah Grange in Brunswick Co. NC 27 Jan. 1807, died before 1880. Joseph Daniel born 17? Henry Co. VA. married Rebecca Hodges 21 Dec. 1806, died in Grainger Co., TN. Edward Daniel, Jr. born 1791 VA, married Priscilla Ciller Mayes 22 Dec. 1811 Grainger Co., TN. Married by John MCarty. Mary Polly Daniel born 15 March 1793, VA. married Johnathan John Mayes 29 Jan. 1813, died between 1860/1870. Rebecca Daniel born 1794, VA. married James Sunderland 8 Oct. 1812. Sara Sally Daniel born 1797 married Thomas Mayes on Jan. 28, 1816. William Daniel born 1798, VA. married Martha Mayes Nov. 4, 1821 in Grainger Co., TN. Jemima Daniel born 1799 married Winfrey Mcgee June 12, 1830. Isaac Daniel born 1804 Grainger Co., TN. He was a school teacher. He married Phoebe Mayes Feb. 5, 1831 in Grainger Co., TN. and he died in Grainger Co. TN 1850. John Daniell Daniel born 1787 VA married Hannah Grange in Brunswick Co. NC 27 Jan. 1807, died about 1870 in Grainger Co., TN. Son of John Daniell Daniel: Joseph Edward Daniel born May 11, 1818 Grainger Co., TN married Martha Levisa Greenlee Jan. 25,1838 in Grainger Co.TN died Sept. 15, 1863 in Union Army Cumberland Ford, Knox Co. KY (Now Pineville, Bell Co., KY) Levisa Daniel died in Laurel Bridge, Laurel Co. KY in 1897 and is buried there. Joseph and Levisa Greenlee Daniel are the parents of Evelyn Daniels Hansson, author of this document. Children of Joseph Edward and Levisa Greenlee Daniel: John Lewis Daniel born 1839 married Feb. 08,1855 in Claiborne Co., TN to 1st. wife, Nancy Manerva Daniel, died in Villa Ridge, Pulaski Co. IL July 22, 1885. Joseph Edward Daniel, Jr. born 1841 in Grainger Co., TN Hanna Elizabeth Daniel , born 1843 in Grainger Co., TN Sarah Louise Daniel, born 1845 in Grainger Co., TN George S. Daniel, born June 16, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN died June 10, 1891 in Claiborne Co. TN Mary M. Daniel, born 1849 in Grainger Co., TN died in Wyandotte, KS Nancy Jane Daniel, born May 22, 1851 in Grainger Co. TN James Samuel Daniel, born March 17, 1853 in Grainger Co., TN Jasper Woodson Daniel, born April 30, 1855 in Claiborne Co., TN died May 10, 1938 in Wyandotte, KSLouiza Anna Louisiana Daniel, born 1858 in Claiborne Co., TN, died 1915 Isaac Mattison Daniel, born Jan. 03, 1861 in Claiborne Co., TN Joseph Edward Daniel joined the East Tennessee Volunteers Infantry at Tazewell, TN(Union Army) with Capt. Vincent Meyers of Company C, 1st. Regiment and was sworn in on August 917, 1861, along with his son, John Lewis Daniel at Barbourville, KY. They served under the command of Col. R.K.Byrd. Son of Joseph Edward Daniel: John Lewis Daniel, born 1839 in Grainger Co., TN, maried to first wife, Nancy Manerva Daniel Feb. 08, 1855 in Claiborne Co., TN. John Lewis Daniel died July 22, 1885 and was buried in Pulaski Co., Illinois. Children of John Lewis Daniel and Nancy Manerva Daniel: Mary Hanna Elisabeth Daniel, born May 23, 1856 in Claiborne Co., TN. Isaac Newton "Jobe" Daniel, born May 28, 1858 in Claiborne Col, TN, died Oct. 21, 1918 in Claiborne Co., TN. Sara Louisiana Daniel, born March 20, 1860 in Claiborne Co., TN Martha Melvina Catherine Daniel, born Feb. 02, 1862 in Claiborne Co., TN. Margaret Macinda Lavisa Daniel, born Feb. 09, 1864 in Laurel Co., Kentucky Nervesta Daniel, born about 1866 in Tennessee. John Lewis Daniel married 2nd wife, Nancy MAYS, born 1845 in KY, marriage date unknown. Children: William Daniel born Laurel Co. Kentucky in 1865 Amanda Daniel, born in Tennessee Charles Daniel, born 1869 in Warm Springs, Madison Co., North Carolina Harriet Daniel, born in North Carolina Mary Emma Daniel, born in North Carolina Sallie Daniel, born in Tennessee Rydal (daughter) Daniel, born 1877 in Villa Ridge, Pulaski County, Illinois Nancy May, mother, died in Villa Ridge, Pulaski Co., IL in 1878. John Lewis Daniel appeared on a census for 1870 in Warm Springs, Madison Co., NC with wife, Nancy, William 5 years, Amanda, 3 years and Charles 8 months, working on the railroad. He also appeared on an 1880 census for Villla Ridge, Pulaski Co., IL with William, Amanda, Charles, Harriet, Mary Emma, Sallie, Rydal and was listed as a widower working as a farmer. On the 1880 census listed as living with the Daniel family were: Maggie COBBS 18 yrs. housekeeper born in TN, I.J. SMITH laborer born in Ohio, J. M. Bowles, male black 16 yrs. old laborer, born TN. John Lewis Daniel married 3rd wife, Mrs. Mary Anglin and they had one son, William Daniel. They divorced July 21, 1885. John Lewis Daniel married 4th wife, Eliza Jane Maupin July 22, 1885 and there were no children. Son of John Daniel, Charles D. Hathaway Daniel (he added an s to his name when he married) born 10/02/1869 in Warm Springs, Madison County, North Carolina, married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Clanton in Pulaski Co., IL April 20, 1869 and died October 29, 1940, buried in Beech Grove Cemetery in Mounds, IL Children of Charles Daniels: Floyd Daniels Andrew Daniels Augustine Daniels Cecil Daniels Edith Daniels Edward Daniels Eugene Daniels Herman Daniels John L. Daniels Juanita Daniels Roy Daniels Ruby Daniels Raymond Daniels, born July 03, 1903 in Villa Ridge, Pulaski Co., IL, married Edith Crow in 1926, died March 20, 1962 of lung cancer in Belleville, IL. Erma Ethel Daniels, born April 17, 1909 in Pulaski Co., IL married Jan. 02, 1927 to Leonard James Crow Raymond Daniels, born July 03, 1903 in Mounds, IL, married 1926 to Edith Crow, died March 20, 1962. Children of Raymond and Edith Crow Daniels: Ray Leon Daniels, deceased Roy Edmund Daniels, Deceased Evelyn Fay Daniels, living Betty Carlene Daniels Christensen, deceased Most or all of the marriages in this document are listed on the Claiborne Co., Tennessee Pioneer Project which is administered by Denny Brubacker . I am Evelyn Daniels Hansson and If you are reading this and have any questions you can e-mail me at: wetwo@kyblue.com ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message.