Sorry Ruth, Oglethorpe County, GA. I had thought I had put it in the subject line. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Newlan" <ruthann@saw.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL Related names on the 1807 GA Land Lottery > Any mention of a county? > > - Ruth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:33 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL Related names on the 1807 GA Land Lottery > > >> There were no O'DANIEL, DONNELL or McDANIEL listed in this list. >> >> Last Name, First Name, Captain's District >> >> Daniel, Betsey Ann, Capt. Elias Bell >> Daniel, James, Capt. Elias Bell >> Daniel, Jennie, Capt. Elias Bell >> Daniel, Samuel, Capt. Elias Bell >> Daniel, Thomas, Capt. Elias Bell >> >> Daniel, Agnus (widow), Capt. Joseph Moore >> Daniel, Rebeckah (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore >> Daniel, Richard (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore >> Daniel, Richard, dec'd, Capt. Joseph Moore >> >> Note: >> >> The DANIELS in the district of Capt Elias BELL were living next to the >> DAVIS, COCHRAN, ATKINS, CARROLL, PEYTON, RHODES, DORITY, McELROY, PORTER, >> CHESHER, EARLY , CALLAHAN, GREER, BELL, BURNS, CULLUM, JCAKSON, "DANIEL," >> BAILEY, EVERETT, BRAGG, WHITE, HOGGE, CARGILE, CALDWELL, RAMSEY, HAMMETT, >> BAYLEY, JENNINGS, JOHNSON and ARNOLD. >> >> The list of those persons in the district of Capt. Joseph MOORE were in >> alphabetical order, so I could not show the families that were located >> adjacent to this DANIEL family. >> >> John R. Clarke >> Thomasville, GA >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or > those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not > allowed on this list. >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >

John, I confess that I have never understood your animosity toward folks who sell convenience for a profit. A good part of American business does that in one form or another. Why are these folks evil for doing likewise - I don't get it and never have. And based on many of your posts, I suspect that you have been looking in their store windows and kicking their tires quite a lot over the years. Jack Butler ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > This is a post I sent to another and I think it is self-explanatory. Yes, > the family GEDCOMS at Ancestry and World Connect are free, but it is also > free to "look in store windows," "kick the tires on new cars" and even > "browse through houses listed by real estate agents." > > These free databases at both Ancestry and World Connect are nothing more > than "teasers" to get your genealogical information (for free) and to get > you and others to subscribe to their services at Ancestry.... > > This is all a financial gamble on their part but after all they are in the > gambling business, too, since they are also the biggest owners of gambling > enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas. Bet you did not know that, did you? > > <<< > As you know Ancestry, really the LDS Church, owns both Ancestry, > Rootsweb and FHC and they commingle Rootsweb's World Connect databases in > their databases at Ancestry. Ancestry is just a money making endeavor for > them and they use Rootsweb as a "loss-leader" for their profit making > Ancestry.com. > However, we have also seen the recent commercialization of Rootsweb in > the years since they bought it out, through pop-up adds and other items > which make this resource much slower than it use to be. I guess you could > say, they will soon combine these two genealogical resources and Rootsweb > will then loose its distinct identity and will become just another function > of Ancestry. > I think you are already seeing some of this and I think within two > years, this merging will be complete, as they will even start to include > country and state archives, as well as country files, into their databases > at Ancestry. That would justify charging more for their product at > Ancestry, a product which will then include what many persons have worked > very hard to build "for free" over the years -- the country and state > archives managed through the auspices of the US GENWEB Project.. > > >>> > > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Lynn Winham" <mlwwaw@mail.sirinet.net> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:00 AM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World > Tree > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:54 AM > > Subject: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > > > > >> Below is a response to the message I posted yesterday about > >> Ancestry's One World Tree. The way I read and understood the > >> information page was what I posted yesterday. If I was > >> incorrect my apologies. > >> > >> Linda > >> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >> MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > >> TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley" <myravgormley@earthlink.net> > >> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:34 PM > >> Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One > >> World Tree > >> > >> > >> | Let's set the record straight, Family Trees you submit to > >> RootsWeb's > >> | WorldConnect and/or Ancestry World Tree continue to be > >> free for anyone to > >> | access and search just as they always have been. NOTHING > >> has changed as to > >> | your use of WorldConnect/AWT's combined database. > >> | > >> | The new program that has recently come along is One World > >> Tree (OWT), which > >> | is a new advanced subscription search feature ( it's a > >> tool) that matches > >> | data found in the free trees and some of the pay databases > >> and census > >> | records found at Ancestry, and stitches it into a finished > >> product to cut > >> | out the work of searching and matching data for the > >> subscriber. What the > >> | subscriber to OWT is paying for is the convenience of > >> having the searching > >> | and matching done for him....not for accessing or > >> searching the free family > >> | trees housed on their site. > >> | > >> | Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG > >> | > >> | > >> | ----- Original Message ----- > >> | From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > >> | To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> > >> | Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:10 PM > >> | Subject: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One > >> World Tree > >> | > >> | > >> | > If you have submitted a family tree to Ancestry.com's > >> OneWorldTree site, > >> | you need to be aware of a change about to be implemented > >> by Ancestry. > >> | > > >> | > Family Trees uploaded to the OneWorldTree site, which > >> have been free > >> | heretofore, will be moved into a subscription data base. > >> After approximately > >> | May 21st this data base will no longer be accessible for > >> free. Ancestry will > >> | be begin offering OneWorldTree Preview at $49.95 for 14 > >> months for access to > >> | these donated trees. > >> | > > >> | > If you'd prefer that your information not be sold, there > >> is a link below > >> | which will take you to a set of instructions on opting out > >> by deleting your > >> | tree. > >> | > > >> | > Go first here: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ > >> | > When you arrive at the page - look for the link toward > >> the top "What's a > >> | preview?" > >> | > Read the information and then click on "View our > >> checklist" (which appears > >> | on #3). > >> | > On the page is a statement that says "If for any reason > >> you do not want > >> | your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you > >> must delete it > >> | from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May > >> 21, 2004." > >> | > Click on the link "Deleting a tree you submitted" > >> | > The resulting page gives instructions on how to delete > >> your tree. > >> | > > >> | > Feel free to pass this along to other lists. > >> | > > >> | > Linda > >> | > homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >> | > MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > >> | > TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > > >> | > ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > >> | > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > >> letters, > >> | political > >> | > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >> messages, flames, > >> | > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > >> grounds for > >> | removal. > >> | > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > >> | kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >> | > Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website > >> | http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > >> | > > >> | > ============================== > >> | > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >> Immigration > >> | > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > >> learn more. > >> | > > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= > >> 1237 > >> | > > >> | > >> | > >> | ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > >> | NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > >> letters, political > >> | announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >> messages, flames, > >> | etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > >> grounds for removal. > >> | Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > >> kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >> | Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > >> | > >> | ============================== > >> | Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >> Immigration > >> | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > >> learn more. > >> | > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= > >> 1237 > >> | > >> > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

Oh...and I am sorry that I did this in two messages, but consider this a postscript: The previous message can be considered my final word on the subject (now there is an oxymoron, isn't it?). I won't discuss it further, because I think our purpose here is genealogy, not ranting. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > information and selling it to you. > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > leaps and bounds. > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > > anything? > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > "NO!" > > > > Bill > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

John, I am sorry. Please accept this is a perfectly honest statement of my position, and not as some attempt to subvert the group (DANIEL-L), but my only possible response is to repeat the opening sentence of my original message. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > Bill, > I am sorry but I have always felt that genealogical information belongs > to the families involved and not some commercial entity. I do not think you > have ever seen this old boy recommend resorting to a professional > genealogist, have you? > Maybe it takes me a little longer than by paying some person to do this > work for me but the "thrill of the chase" is as important as the end results > of that chase. Plus, I have made lots of friends in the process, persons > that I never would have known, otherwise. > As for the LDS Church owning most of everything as relates to the > genealogical records of this nation, I have real problems with that and not > just because of privacy issues, either. Employers, insurance companies, > etc.do not have to have your medical records, they can get a lot of > information about you and your family strictly from the history of your > family, e.g. their typical life spans, their cause of death, etc. Normally, > this information is pretty well protected because these entities do not know > your family history but put it all in one location and watch out. Let them > get a hold of your DNA information and really watch out. > Here we have a tax exempt organization, the LDS Church, using tax exempt > NPO's, like Rootsweb and probably Ancestry, to increase their overall wealth > through commercialization and not having to pay corporate taxes on any of > it. Now, do you understand why members of this church are the richest of > any organized religion in this country -- they use our tax laws to their > benefit. I guess you could say, they are also a whole lot smarter than the > rest of us in this regard. > I did not know they were in the gaming and casino business until I was > in Las Vegas covering the Shot Show for my publication a few years ago and > read in their local paper an investigative report done one of their staff > writers on this matter. It really surprised me, too, because I never > associated any organized religion with this type of business. I also assume > you know they also own Novell and Word Perfect, or did at one time. > In this country we have laws to protect each of our individual religious > beliefs or even to protect us from religion if you believe some, but to have > one specific religious body controlling all of the genealogical information > of this country, I find appalling. I also feel that government will sooner > or later step in because of the privacy issues involved. > It is one thing to be a repository of historical facts, as they are and > have been, but it is quite another to be able to tie all of these historical > facts, together, as we easily do for them. When you put "historical facts" > and the links that tie them to specific families, as is the case with any > GEDCOMS you submit to them, and put all of this under a religious umbrella, > then you have created the situation where your family information can be > sold to other parties, parties you never intended to have that family > information....... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Brewer" <wwb@ix.netcom.com> > To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:37 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Ancestry.com charging for One World Tree > > > > This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com > > collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you > > expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would > > do your research for you for free? What do you think professional > > genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting > > information and selling it to you. > > > > Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it > > prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it > > since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing > > in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends > > and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by > > leaps and bounds. > > > > While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over > > Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly > > enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our > > contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of > > us supported them monetarily. > > > > As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree > > Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are > > many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced > > anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your > > "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. > > We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. > > > > Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners > > of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have > > been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with > > anything? > > > > Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to > > travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to > > mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding > > "NO!" > > > > Bill > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > > Mail Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > or- > > Digest Mode: > > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:DANIEL-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

This whole discussion is getting a little silly. Yes, Ancestry.com collects information, which they then turn around and sell. What do you expect? Do you think any company, or anyone else for that matter, would do your research for you for free? What do you think professional genealogists have been doing for years? They have been collecting information and selling it to you. Personally, I have submitted my information to World Connects. I sent it prior to Ancestry taking over Rootsweb, but I have continued to update it since, and will continue to do so. I have benefited immensely by so doing in that mistakes have been corrected, and I have found many new friends and relatives researching the same line. My research has expanded by leaps and bounds. While we're on the subject, have you ever wondered why Ancestry took over Rootsweb? We, the genealogical public, never supported Rootsweb strongly enough for it to survive as a non-profit organization. It depended on our contributions, both money and data. I contributed both, but not enough of us supported them monetarily. As to Ancestry having no competitors...What about GenCircles, Family Tree Maker, GenServe, National Genealogical Society, etc., etc.? There are many sources out there, Ancestry is just one, and they have never forced anyone to contribute to their data bases. If you don't want to share your "hard-earned data" with them, don't. I have and will continue to do so. We'll see who benefits the most in the long run. Finally, no, I didn't know the owners of Ancestry were the biggest owners of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas, and now that I have been told, my next question is...so what? What does that have to do with anything? Do we really want to go back to the "good old days," where we each had to travel to the countless archives scattered around the country (not to mention the world)? In my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding "NO!" Bill

Any mention of a county? - Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] DANIEL Related names on the 1807 GA Land Lottery > There were no O'DANIEL, DONNELL or McDANIEL listed in this list. > > Last Name, First Name, Captain's District > > Daniel, Betsey Ann, Capt. Elias Bell > Daniel, James, Capt. Elias Bell > Daniel, Jennie, Capt. Elias Bell > Daniel, Samuel, Capt. Elias Bell > Daniel, Thomas, Capt. Elias Bell > > Daniel, Agnus (widow), Capt. Joseph Moore > Daniel, Rebeckah (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore > Daniel, Richard (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore > Daniel, Richard, dec'd, Capt. Joseph Moore > > Note: > > The DANIELS in the district of Capt Elias BELL were living next to the > DAVIS, COCHRAN, ATKINS, CARROLL, PEYTON, RHODES, DORITY, McELROY, PORTER, > CHESHER, EARLY , CALLAHAN, GREER, BELL, BURNS, CULLUM, JCAKSON, "DANIEL," > BAILEY, EVERETT, BRAGG, WHITE, HOGGE, CARGILE, CALDWELL, RAMSEY, HAMMETT, > BAYLEY, JENNINGS, JOHNSON and ARNOLD. > > The list of those persons in the district of Capt. Joseph MOORE were in > alphabetical order, so I could not show the families that were located > adjacent to this DANIEL family. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list. >

This is a post I sent to another and I think it is self-explanatory. Yes, the family GEDCOMS at Ancestry and World Connect are free, but it is also free to "look in store windows," "kick the tires on new cars" and even "browse through houses listed by real estate agents." These free databases at both Ancestry and World Connect are nothing more than "teasers" to get your genealogical information (for free) and to get you and others to subscribe to their services at Ancestry.... This is all a financial gamble on their part but after all they are in the gambling business, too, since they are also the biggest owners of gambling enterprises on the strip in Las Vegas. Bet you did not know that, did you? <<< As you know Ancestry, really the LDS Church, owns both Ancestry, Rootsweb and FHC and they commingle Rootsweb's World Connect databases in their databases at Ancestry. Ancestry is just a money making endeavor for them and they use Rootsweb as a "loss-leader" for their profit making Ancestry.com. However, we have also seen the recent commercialization of Rootsweb in the years since they bought it out, through pop-up adds and other items which make this resource much slower than it use to be. I guess you could say, they will soon combine these two genealogical resources and Rootsweb will then loose its distinct identity and will become just another function of Ancestry. I think you are already seeing some of this and I think within two years, this merging will be complete, as they will even start to include country and state archives, as well as country files, into their databases at Ancestry. That would justify charging more for their product at Ancestry, a product which will then include what many persons have worked very hard to build "for free" over the years -- the country and state archives managed through the auspices of the US GENWEB Project.. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lynn Winham" <mlwwaw@mail.sirinet.net> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Fw: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@cox.net> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:54 AM > Subject: [ARMar] Ancestry to begin charging for One World Tree > > >> Below is a response to the message I posted yesterday about >> Ancestry's One World Tree. The way I read and understood the >> information page was what I posted yesterday. If I was >> incorrect my apologies. >> >> Linda >> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >> MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ >> TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Myra Vanderpool Gormley" <myravgormley@earthlink.net> >> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Ancestry to begin charging for One >> World Tree >> >> >> | Let's set the record straight, Family Trees you submit to >> RootsWeb's >> | WorldConnect and/or Ancestry World Tree continue to be >> free for anyone to >> | access and search just as they always have been. NOTHING >> has changed as to >> | your use of WorldConnect/AWT's combined database. >> | >> | The new program that has recently come along is One World >> Tree (OWT), which >> | is a new advanced subscription search feature ( it's a >> tool) that matches >> | data found in the free trees and some of the pay databases >> and census >> | records found at Ancestry, and stitches it into a finished >> product to cut >> | out the work of searching and matching data for the >> subscriber. 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Good Morning, I have known for a long time the Jeptha Vining HARRIS family of Morgan County, GA was close to my bunch in Madison, Morgan County, GA but did not know the interconnections. Now, I do, at least one of them. Jeptha Vining HARRIS (1782-1856) was the son of Walton HARRIS and Rebecca Louise LANIER of Greene County, GA. He married Sarah HUNT of Morgan County, GA, the d/o Richardson HUNT and Nancy Martin CARTER. His brother was Nathan HARRIS, Sr. who married Mrs. Elizabeth STERNS. Their daughter, Mary "Polly" HARRIS nee JARVIS who married, second, Valentine CROOK of Oglethorpe County, GA. She had previously married Jesse JARVIS and she was the mother of a James JARVIS, per her 1856 will, which was probated in Oglethorpe County, GA. Valentine CROOK was the brother of Lewis CROOK who migrated to Raleigh, MS and his family ties into my RICHTER family of Morgan County, GA through the WILLIAMS family of Meridian, Lauderdale County, MS. I also think this "Valentine" name may be part of the Valentine WHITE family which I think is also the ancestors of the Benjamin V. WHITE family of Meridian, MS, which is also tied to my bunch, there. NOTE: the sister of Walton HARRIS (1738-1809), Martha "Patsy" HARRIS (1742-BEF 1781), married Daniel COLEMAN, Jr. (ABT 1741-1785) the son of Daniel COLEMAN, Sr. and Unity CARROLL of Warren County, NC. His brother, Eden COLEMAN (ABT 1764-1817) married Nancy Ann DANIEL of Greene County, GA who some say was a d/o Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY or a Sarah RANDLE.. This whole bunch ends up in Greene and Oglethorpe County, GA and later in Morgan and elsewhere. Walton and Martha "Patsy" HARRIS were the children of Capt. Nathan HARRIS and Catherine WALTON of Brunswick County, VA, later Greenville County, VA. Catherine was the d/o Gent. George WALTON and Elizabeth ROWE of St. Andrews Parish, Brunswick Co., VA and sister of the Hon. Isaac Rowe WALTON, Esq. Another family tied to this bunch and my RICHTER bunch are the WYCHE and WINDSOR families that are collateral with this bunch. General Jeptha Vining HARRIS is buried just a few steps from my RICHTER great-grandparents in Madison, Morgan County, GA. Any thoughts you have on this are appreciated...... Her 1856 Oglethorpe County, GA will: <<< Estate File of Mary Crook 1857-1866 as filmed by the LDS on microfilm #1893170. These loose pages are held at the State Archives at Atlanta, Georgia. (The Mary Crook File actually consists of court papers on two different persons named Mary Crook. The first there is a single guardianship document dated the 1st of October 1866 signed by Mary Crook (daughter of John Crook, Jr.) for her daughter Victoria E(lizabeth) Crook necessitated by the death and will of John Crook, Jr. The second Mary Crook for which there is quite a bulk of papers is Mary Polly Harris Jarvis Crook (daughter of Nathan Harris, Sr., wife of Jesse Jarvis and 2nd wife of Valentine Crook and mother of James Jarvis). (Mary Crook - daughter of John Crook, Jr.) State of Georgia, Oglethorpe County. Know all Men by these Presents, That we Mary Crook as principal and Mathew J H Pass as security are held and firmly bound and obliged unto the Ordinary of said County and his sucessors in office in the just and full sum of Five hundred dollars for the true payment of which sum to the said Ordinary, his sucessors in office and assigns, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors, and administrators, in the whole, and for the whole sum, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals, and dated at Lexington this first day of October 1866. The condition of the above obligation is such that, whereas the said Mary Crook is this day appointed Guardian to Victoria E Crook minor and daughter of said Mary Crook. Now if the said Mary Crook do well and truly demean herself as Gruadian aforesaid, agreeably to Letter of Guardianship, bearing even dat herewith and agreeable to law in such case, made and provided, the above obligation to be void, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue. her Mary X Crook mark M.J.H.Pass Signed, Sealed and delivered in presence of E C Shakelford, Ordinary (Mary Polly Crook - daughter of Nathan Harris, Sr., 1st wife of Jesse Jarvis and 2nd wife of Valentine Crook, mother of James Jarvis.) Return of James Jarvis as Trustee of his Mother Mrs. Mary Crook - to the Court of Ordinary of Oglethorpe County for the origin of his trust see the Decree in the case in the Superior Court of Oglethorpe in the Bill filed by Z. H. Clark as the next friend of said Mary Crook vs. Valentine Crook & Joe. Smith & Daniel Harris as ??????? decree at April Term 1853. 1854 Property Received Jany 1st - Recd from the admin of Nathan Harris decd the nigroes which fell to Mary Crook on the division of the negroes belonging to the Estate of Nathan Harris - see said Division - also said decree. 1854 Jany 1st To cash from Admin of Nathan Harris for the Hire of Mary Crook's Negroes in 1853 - 240.00 Jany 5th To cash from admin. of Nathan Harris in part of Mary Crook's dist. portion - 1375.00 April 25th - To cash from Admin. of Nathan Harris in part of Mary Crook's dist. portion - 1125.00 1855 Feb 8 To Cash for Cotton crop of 1854 101.74 Oct 24 To cash for cotton crop of 1855 in part 45.16 1856 Jany 19 To Cash Recd. from admin. of Nathan Harris bal. in full Mary Crook's dist. part. 210.85 May 22 To cash for Bal. of cotton crop of 1855 99.11 Decr 1 "" """" """ Cotton crop of 1856 165.55 (Subtotal) 3362.41 Decr 17 To Cash for Cotton sold to Geo. F. Platt 10.75 (Total received) 3373.16 Money paid out by said Trustee - 1854 Feb 27 -- Paid E. Hawks for Wheat ---------- voucher No. 1. 2.00 April 11 """" Dr. Mathews Med. Bill ------- """"""" """ 2. 25.50 """"" 18 """" Geo. H. Lester Cast? ?? Bill """"""" """ 3. 18.00 """"" 25 """" Hardeman & Landrum fee ------ """"""" """ 4. 211.00 Oct 9 --- """" Marshall Tiller for cattle -- """"""" """ 5. 40.00 Nov ? --- """" Holcomb agt. for Meat ------- """"""" """ 6. 45.14 Feb 18 -- """" Platte Bro. for goods ------- """"""" """ 7. 40.00 """ 24 -- """" Thos. Downs work on Well ---- """"""" """ 8. 7.00 Apr 14 -- """" """"" """"" """" "" """" ---- """"""" """ 9. 13.50 """ 26 -- """" E.P. Burt for a Tract of Land """"""" """10.1519.33 May 13 -- """" J.H. & W.G. Tiller for goods """"""" """11 1.63 """ 18 -- """" McLaren & Landrum for goods - """"""" """12 1.13 June 6 -- """" Tayler's Boy Joe for lumber - """"""" """13 2.00 """" 8 -- """" Joe. Jennings for corn ------ """"""" """14 3.00 """" 10 - """" Jasper Stevens """ """" ----- """"""" """15 4.35 """" "" - """" B?? for horse collar no receipt --------------- .25 """" 24 - """" Geo. H. Martin for Rent ----- """"""" """16 38.00 Jany 3 -- """" Rainey Eads for horse? & ???? """"""" """17 97.26 July 18 - """" Clarisy Hammond - ??????????? """"""" """18 2.00 Oct ----- """" E. Tiller Tax Collecter ----- """"""" """19 6.64 Sept 16 - """" E. Hawk for wheat ----------- """"""" """20 2.00 Oct 17 -- """" Wesley Nancy for ?Wool Hats?- """"""" """21 4.00 """ 31 -- """" Lyle & Hayes for ????? ------ """"""" """22 .10 Nov 16 -- """" Elisha Tiller for Hogs ------ """"""" """23 25.55 Nov 19 -- """" John H. Eads for work on mill """"""" """24 9.00 1855 Jany 10 - """" Wm Fines for Pork ----------- """"""" """25 25.00 Feb 28 -- """" W. Scroggins work on house -- """"""" """26 8.22 Mar 2 --- """" K J Smith & Bro. for goods -- """"""" """27 1.50 """ 9 --- """" E. P. Burt for Ginning ------ """"""" """28 5.85 """ 17 -- """" Armstrong & Goode - Blacksmith""""""" """29 2.67 """ 22 -- """" Joseph Stevens for Wheat ---- """"""" """30 3.12 1855 Mar 22 -- Paid Geo. Miller Spinning Cotton - """"""" """31 .70 """ 25 -- """" Bo? for Horse Collar no rept -------------------.20 """ 26 -- """" John D. Pass for Plank ------ """"""" """32 1.86 Apr 17 -- """" Lester Clk- Rec. Deeds ------ """"""" """33 1.25 """ "" -- """" Lyle & Hayes for goods ------ """"""" """34 8.25 Oct 15 -- """" R. L. Tayler for Ham -------- """"""" """35 4.00 Nov 1 --- """" Joseph Smith Cottton Toll --- """"""" """36 3.66 Dec 28 -- """" Jackson Hammond work on wagon """"""" """37 7.75 1856 Jany 1 -- """" McLaren & Landrum for goods - """"""" """38 9.30 """" 19 - """" Joe. Smith on a/c ----------- """"""" """39 1.14 """" "" - """" """" """"" for one ?illy ---- """"""" """40 34.50 """" "" - """" Mary Crook on A/c - Sundries """"""" """41 203.00 """" 21 - """" Floyd E. Goolsby for wagon -- """"""" """42 15.60 """" "" - """" John D. Pass - for Lumber --- """"""" """43 27.25 """" 23 - """" Dr. Willingham Med. Bill ---- """"""" """44 8.00 """" "" - """" Geo.F.Platt for Goods in 1855 """"""" """45 29.63 Feb 21 -- """" Dr. Bailey Med. Bill -------- """"""" """46 31.50 """ 6 --- """" Wm. Taylor - Carpenters work """"""" """47 21.15 """ 20 -- """" Geo.F.Platt for goods in 1854 """"""" """48 19.29 Mar 3 --- """" Armstrong & Goode Blacksmith a/c """" """50 12.13 """ 4 --- """" K. J. Smith & Bro. for goods """"""" """51 6.50 """ 8 --- """" J.H. & W.G. Tiller for goods """"""" """52 .37 June 11 - """" Joe. Smith - Toll for cotton """"""" """53 7.30 Nov 6/55 """" W. Scroggins making Shoes """"""" """53 2.28 Jul 13/56 """" Gilham & Askin Gen. a/c ----- """"""" """54 32.66 Oct /56 - """" E. Tiller for Tax ----------- """"""" """55 6.84 """ 9 --- """" B. W. Hubbard for Lime ------ """"""" """56 .75 Dec 2 --- """" Daniel Harris Toll for cotton """"""" """57 12.82 """ 6 --- """" Lindsay & McAllister - Goods """"""" """58 26.51 """ 12 -- """" John D. Pass for Lumber ----- """"""" """59 2.88 """ 13 -- """" Drury L. Smith for Roping --- """"""" """60 2.64 """ "" -- """" Wm Tiller for shop a/c ------ """"""" """61 .10 """ 16 -- Paid Goode & Goolsby - shop a/c -- """"""" """62 .82 """ 17 -- """" N. Mattox shop a/c ---------- """"""" """63 1.87 """ "" -- """" Platt for Goods ------------- """"""" """64 11.37 his James X Jarvis Trustee mark Copy Vouchers No. 1. Received of James Jarvis as Trustee of his Mother Polly Crook 2 dollars for two bushels of wheat sold for said Polly Crook this 27 February 1854. Edward Hawks No. 2. Recd of James Jarvis as Trustee of his Mother Mary Crook twenty five Dollars & fifty cts in full for medical services in the year 1853 the is 22nd of April 1854. A. C. Mathews No. 3. Decree in Oglethorpe Supr Court at April Term 1853 Mary Crook by her next friend Z. H. Clarke vs. Daniel Harris Joseph Smith Admin. & Jane Harris Admix. of Nathan Harris decd. Recd of James Jarvis Trustee of Mary Crook Eighteen dollars in full of the costs in the above stated case this 18th April 1854. Geo. H. Lester Clerk. (Comment: There are receipts for most but not all of the above vouchers so I will only show the three above which shows that Mary's name is Mary Polly, each name being used separately and about evenly split. Some of the signatures give full names rather than initials. I will list those names that are only initials above - WDT). No. 6. W. P. Holcomb for J. C. Casey No. 7. Platt & Brother by Jona Sanders No. 12. McLaren & Landrum by M. S. ?Rean? No. 13. Thos. W. Landrum for Taylor's Joe No. 15. Jasper Stevens for Mary Crook Walker No. 20. Edward Hawks No. 25. William Hine by Agent A. Armstrong No. 26. Washington Scroggins No. 29. Joseph T. Goode & A. Armstrong No. 44. Willis Willingham No. 46. Wm T. Bailey No. 47. Elija J. Taylor Final Return of James Jarvis as Trustee for Mary Crook - ???? deceased - Amt. Received - Sale list - see Exhibit A. Division of Negroes, Exhibit B. Division of Household & Kitchen furniture - Exibit C. Division of C????? - see Exhibit "D" 1856 - Amt. paid out - Decr 17 Paid ordinary for Return No. 1. 4.25 """" 27 """" Daniel Harris ?Ginning? No. 2. .82 """" 30 """" K. J. Smith - on a/c No. 3. 8.37 1857 Jany 5 """" N. Mattox - Blacksmith No. 4 .70 """" 6 """" Dr. Willingham Med. Bill No. 5 112.00 Recpts for payments made to Sallie M Hammon & her Trustee - June 27/56 - Paid in furniture &c? No. 6 """" 28/56 - """" "" Land (could be Sand) No. 7 """" """"" - """" "" Salt No. 8 """" """"" - """" "" Wheat No. 9 1857 Jany 9 ----- """" Trustee - Cash - ?????? No. 10 """" " ----- """" Attys? Hardeman & Landrum No. 11 - 50.00 May 30 ----- """" Ordinary for this Return No. 12 - 3.00 his James X Jarvis Trustee mark Henry Britain, Ordinary >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

There were no O'DANIEL, DONNELL or McDANIEL listed in this list. Last Name, First Name, Captain's District Daniel, Betsey Ann, Capt. Elias Bell Daniel, James, Capt. Elias Bell Daniel, Jennie, Capt. Elias Bell Daniel, Samuel, Capt. Elias Bell Daniel, Thomas, Capt. Elias Bell Daniel, Agnus (widow), Capt. Joseph Moore Daniel, Rebeckah (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore Daniel, Richard (m/o of Richard), Capt. Joseph Moore Daniel, Richard, dec'd, Capt. Joseph Moore Note: The DANIELS in the district of Capt Elias BELL were living next to the DAVIS, COCHRAN, ATKINS, CARROLL, PEYTON, RHODES, DORITY, McELROY, PORTER, CHESHER, EARLY , CALLAHAN, GREER, BELL, BURNS, CULLUM, JCAKSON, "DANIEL," BAILEY, EVERETT, BRAGG, WHITE, HOGGE, CARGILE, CALDWELL, RAMSEY, HAMMETT, BAYLEY, JENNINGS, JOHNSON and ARNOLD. The list of those persons in the district of Capt. Joseph MOORE were in alphabetical order, so I could not show the families that were located adjacent to this DANIEL family. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Ok you guys perhaps someone may reconize these names. Some of my Daniel line was in Davidson county, TN. which part of Davidson is now a part of Overton county, TN. Basil and Barton Daniel, Old Delilah Daniel that migrated to Illinois were once in Davidson county. Does anyone reconize any of these people, also some of them state they are from South Carolina? Could they be part of the Robert Daniell line? 18 110 110 Daniels Harmon 26 F SC X 19 110 110 Daniels Jesse 10 M Tenn. X 20 110 110 Daniels Dianah 6 F Tenn. 21 110 110 Daniels Malvina 1 F Tenn. 22 111 111 Daniels Sarah 36 F SC X 23 111 111 Daniels Elizabeth 5 F Tenn 24 112 112 Sells Wesly 31 M Farmer Tenn X 21 204 204 Daniel Randon 25 M Tenn. X REMARKS: No occupation listed 22 204 204 Daniel Tennesssee 19 F Tenn. 26 253 253 Daniel Robert 69 M Farmer VA 32 812 813 Daniel Francis 25 M Farmer SC X 33 812 813 Daniel Jane 25 F Tenn. X 34 812 813 Daniel Martha 4 F Tenn. 35 812 813 Daniel Batheah 2 F Tenn. REMARKS: See census for first name. 36 812 813 Daniel William 8/12 M Tenn. 37 812 813 Daniel William 22 M SC X 22 68 68 Daniel Fanny 43 F SC X 23 68 68 Daniel Elizabeth 23 F SC X 24 68 68 Daniel John 14 M Ten. 25 68 68 Daniel Narcissa 4 F Ten. 26 68 68 Daniel William 4/12 M Ten. 38 169 169 Daniel John 50 M Farmer 250 SC 39 169 169 Daniel Rachel 51 F SC X 40 169 169 Daniel Amanda 25 F SC 41 169 169 Daniel John M. 24 M Farmer SC X 42 169 169 Daniel Manerva 22 F SC X CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: TN COUNTY: Overton DIVISION: 7th District REEL NO: M432-89 PAGE NO: 80a REFERENCE: Enumerated on the 2nd day of Sept. 1850 by Henry Young ========================================================================================================================= LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB ========================================================================================================================= 1 169 169 Daniel Florie 19 F SC X REMARKS: Handwritten page # 159 2 169 169 Daniel Hillsbury 17 F Ten. X REMARKS: Looks like F for female with a M over it? 3 169 169 Daniel Elias 15 M Farmer Ten. X 4 169 169 Daniel Nancy 13 F Ten. X 5 170 170 Daniel Ellis 55 M Laborer 150 SC 6 170 170 Daniel Delila 53 F SC X 7 170 170 Daniel Francis 25 M Laborer SC X 8 170 170 Daniel William 22 M Laborer SC 9 170 170 Daniel Mary 19 F SC 10 170 170 Daniel Jane 16 F Ten. 11 170 170 Daniel Madison 13 M Ten. 12 170 170 Daniel Susan 10 F Ten. 31 195 195 Daniel Courtney 37 M Farmer SC 32 195 195 Daniel Mary 27 F Ten. 33 195 195 Daniel Elizabeth 16 F Ten. 34 195 195 Daniel James 14 M Ten. 35 195 195 Daniel Orleanna 5 F Ten. 36 195 195 Daniel **ester 2 M Ten. REMARKS: See census for first name. 37 195 195 Daniel Ellen 1 F Ten. 38 196 196 Daniel Wm. 67 M Farmer 800 SC X 39 196 196 Daniel Rosanna 65 F SC X 40 196 196 Daniel Frances 40 F SC 41 196 196 Daniel Susan 36 F Ten. X 42 196 196 Daniel John 30 M Farmer Ten. CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: TN COUNTY: Overton DIVISION: 7th District REEL NO: M432-89 PAGE NO: 82a REFERENCE: Enumerated on the 2nd day of Sept. 1850 by Henry Young ========================================================================================================================= LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB ========================================================================================================================= 1 196 196 Daniel Thomas 28 M Farmer Ten. REMARKS: Handwritten page # 163 2 196 196 Daniel Anderson 24 M Farmer Ten. 3 196 196 Daniel Catharine 15 F Ten. 7 197 197 Daniel James 27 M Miller SC X 8 197 197 Daniel Abigail 30 F NC X 9 197 197 Daniel Mary 10 F Ten. 10 197 197 Daniel Moses 7 M Ten. 11 197 197 Daniel James 5 M Ten. 12 197 197 Daniel Washington 4 M Ten. 13 197 197 Daniel Jackson 3 M Ten. 14 197 197 Daniel Dicy 1/12 F Ten.

Anyone out there have any clue as to who these Daniel familes belong to? 81b Daniel **ester 82a Daniel Abigail 79b Daniel Amanda 82a Daniel Anderson 59b Daniel Batheah 82a Daniel Catharine 81b Daniel Courtney 80a Daniel Delila 82a Daniel Dicy 80a Daniel Elias 81b Daniel Elizabeth 72b Daniel Elizabeth 81b Daniel Ellen 80a Daniel Ellis 72b Daniel Fanny 80a Daniel Florie 81b Daniel Frances 59b Daniel Francis 80a Daniel Francis 80a Daniel Hillsbury 82a Daniel Jackson 81b Daniel James 82a Daniel James 82a Daniel James 59b Daniel Jane 80a Daniel Jane 81b Daniel John 72b Daniel John 79b Daniel John 79b Daniel John M. 80a Daniel Madison 79b Daniel Manerva 59b Daniel Martha 80a Daniel Mary 82a Daniel Mary 81b Daniel Mary 82a Daniel Moses 80a Daniel Nancy 72b Daniel Narcissa 81b Daniel Orleanna 79b Daniel Rachel 16a Daniel Randon 19a Daniel Robert 81b Daniel Rosanna 80a Daniel Susan 81b Daniel Susan 16a Daniel Tennesssee 82a Daniel Thomas 82a Daniel Washington 59b Daniel William 59b Daniel William 80a Daniel William 72b Daniel William 81b Daniel Wm. 9a Daniels Dianah 9a Daniels Elizabeth 9a Daniels Harmon 9a Daniels Jesse 9a Daniels Malvina 9a Daniels Sarah

Good Morning. One comment on a previous post to the DANIEL List. I did some double checking and there were PEEKE and PEEK families around some of this bunch in the Bertie-Edgecombe area. I do not know whether the PEELE we see is the same IOW family we see tied to William DANIEL of IOW/Bertie County or not, or whether transcribers have commingled the two families. On another subject. We have known for a long time about the Frederick O'DANIEL (1731-BEF 1773) and Charity WHITFIELD family of the Bertie, Edgecombe and Duplin areas of NC. However, that family is expanding to include many of the families that are known to be around some of the DANIEL family of that same area. We now know that Frederick was the son of Owen O'DANIEL who is found in the Cassia Swamp area of Bertie County, NC as early as 1724. He seems to have been a land surveyor of sorts but he also owned lots of land in that area. . I already have deeds which seem to imply his family may have been connected in some way to the KING, WYNN, DAWSON, SESSION, RAWLS, TARVER, STEVENS, GOFF, HURST, WILLS, LEE, MOORE, WILLIAMS and WILLSON families. We already know that two of Frederick O'DANIEL's children married into the HERRING and GRADY families of that same area and there is some indication they may even be tied to the RICKS family of that area. There are also deeds in which Owen O'DANIEL and William DANIEL of Bertie County, NC are on the same deeds and I do not know if they were out of the same family or not. We know one of the primary locations which fed this area was Accomack County, VA and we also know the O'DANIEL Family of Fairfax County, VA lived at one time in Accomack County, VA before migrating to Fairfax County, VA . However, we do not know if the family of Owen O'DANIEL of Bertie and the O'DANIELS of Fairfax County, VA are one in the same family or not. However, there are deeds in Bertie that seem to indicate,at least two of the families we see tied to the O'DANIEL family of Edgefield County, SC (the WATSONS and EDWARDS families) are involved in deeds and court orders with this O'DANIEL bunch in eastern North Carolina in an earlier time frame. This is especially important since the ancestor of both Thomas DANIEL (1686-1749) who married Elizabeth LANIER and Simon DANIEL (1678-1763) who married Elizabeth ROGERS, was supposedly an Owen DANIEL and this Owen O'DANIEL would have been born in the right time to have been either this Owen or his father. The POLLOCKS are also all in this mess, especially through the WESTS, and we know that Gov. Thomas POLLOCK (1656-1722) was appointed the guardian of same, Thomas DANIEL, after the death of his father, Owen DANIEL, in 1700. I do think the WILLIAMS family of IOW County, VA may well be a key family link, since they seem to be around the DANIEL family, there, and this O'DANIEL family of Bertie and I assume, Edgecombe and Duplin, later. The DAWSONS may also play a part in this family because they are tied to many of the same families, including the McKINNIES, KINCHENS and ALSTONS we see tied to some of these other close DANIEL families, especially Col John DAWSON (ABT 1680- ABT 1750) who married both a Charity ALSTON (d/o John and Mary CLARK) and Elizabeth THOMAS. Charity also married a Richard HILLIARD. Another key family may be the HURSTS. The HURST family is tied to the GUNNELLS and SUMMERS families and in turn, the O'DANIEL, family of Fairfax County, VA. In NC they are tied to the McKINNIES and SUMNER family of that area and I think they moved to Emanuel County, GA were we also find the MOXLEY family, another name tied to the Fairfax County, VA O'DANIEL family. If I were to guess, I would say there is probably a pretty good chance they are out of the same overall O'DANIEL family but I have nothing to prove that relationship at this point. Some of these deeds are listed below. I also do not know if the O'DANIEL name was a result of clerks transcribing their name, incorrectly, or whether their actual name was actually O'DANIEL. However, since some of these records involve surveys and patents, I tend to think the latter. If you have other deeds which include any of these families, I think we need to look at them based on this new information. What may be the indications are -- these O'DANIELS migrated from England via Ireland to the seashore areas of NJ or MD, where some parts of this family stayed in that area and some migrated to the Accomack County, VA area. Later, this VA family split up with some parts of the family moving west into Fairfax County, VA and others moving with the great influx of other families that migrated to eastern NC. However, as usual, they carried along certain families with them, so they have common families in both locations and they later combined, once again, later in both GA and SC. <<< John Edwards & Wife To Peter Stancell Know all men by these presents that I John Edwards & Elizabeth my wife do firmly by these presents Constitute Authorize and ordain in my Names & Head my trusty and well beloved friend Peter Stancell, Our true & lawfull Attorney to Acknowledge a certain Tract of land in Bertie Prect. Court unto Owen O'Daniel of his Attorney and what and Attorney shall lawfully do shall stand in as full force & power as if we were personally in place as witness and Hand this 10th Day of August 1724, John Edwards, Elizabeth X Edwards This Power of Attorney was Proved by the Oath of Phillip Watson. Evidence Thereto, John Sutton Dept Clerk Court Bertie County, NC Deeds HENRY KING warrant dated 16, July 1755 to BENJAMIN WYNNS to survey 640 ac in Bertie Co on the SOUTH SIDE OF CASHY SWAMP at a Place where OWEN O'DANIEL formerly Surveyed part of which one GOFFE lives on entered 1 June 1754 /s/FRAS CORBIN Back of document reads: "Deed 20 April 1758" [Miscellaneous Land Office Papers by Hofman] OWEN ODANIEL Patent dated Mar 30, 1721 480 ac on ye SOUTH SIDE OF CASSIA, joining ye N.E. side of little Raquis swamp and JAMES WILLIAMS OWEN ODANIEL Patent dated Dec 22, 1724 550 ac on SOUTH WEST SIDE OF CASSAY SWAMP adj. JOHN EDWARDS, several branches and the MAIN SWAMP. Patent BK III, p.184 GEORGE STEVENS Patent dated Dec 22, 1724. 300 ac on SOUTHWEST SIDE of CASSAY SWAMP adj. OWEN ODANIEL, a branch & the MAIN SWAMP. Patent BK III, p.184 NICHOLAS SESSIONS Patent dated Feb 1, 1725 420 ac on SOUTH WEST SIDE of CASSAY SWAMP joining SOUTHERNMOST branch of CASSAY, THOMAS MAN, OWEN ODANIEL & the MAIN SWAMP. Vol III p. 189 HENRY KING warrant dated 16, July 1755 to BENJAMIN WYNNS to survey 640 ac in Bertie Co on the SOUTH SIDE OF CASHY SWAMP at a Place where OWEN O'DANIEL formerly Surveyed part of which one GOFFE lives on entered 1 June 1754 /s/FRAS CORBIN Back of document reads: "Deed 20 April 1758" [Miscellaneous Land Office Papers by Hofman] Mar 10, 1740 The Crown to William Willson, 100 ac in Bertie Co on the HEAD OF CASHIA, joining Dogwood Neck. this land was sold by one of Willson's heirs to COL JOHN DAWSON, who died a few month later, devising it to his son HENRY DAWSON who resold it in 1766 to WILLIAM RAWLS. John Dawson bought the dower rights from Judith Moore Wilson and her new husband, John Hurst in 1750, after some kind of legal challange was settled: Aug 27, 1750 "100 acres in Bertie Co. known by name of Dogwood Neck. Wit: Richard Wills & Benja. Lee & Isaac Willson,(son of William Willson) Col. John Dawson devised this 100 acres to his son Henry in his will: Nov ___, 1750 "Henry Dawson, son plantation whereon __ live, joining Alexander Stevenson, Crooked Marsh, Mrs S____ and William Burns being 300 acres in Braswell's Neck, also also to son Henry, land and plantation I bought of Maurice Moore and Island plantation and the 640 ac thereunto belonging. Also 100 ac in Bertie Co. bought of JOHN WILSON and all of my land on Tar River being in 3 parcels and being in the whole about 700 ac. Also a horse and Maurice Moore's debt to me by bond." >>> . John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

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Important Notice. If you have posted a family tree to Ancestry.com, you might want to know of a change about to be implemented by them. Family Trees that have been donated to Ancestry for free distribution to other researchers will soon be sold by subscription. The OneWorldTree Preview cost will be $49.95 for 14 months. The link below will inform you of how to ensure your tree is included in the new OneWorldTree site and not deleted in the conversion. However, if you would prefer that your information was not to be sold, there is a link below which will take you to a set of instructions on opting out by deleting your tree. After clicking on the link and arriving at the page, click on "What's a preview?" near the top of the page. Read thoroughly and then click on "View our checklist" and then click Deleting a tree you submitted . Among other things, you will see the following sentence: "If for any reason you do not want your tree to be part of the new OneWorldTree service, you must delete it from the Ancestry World Tree database by tentatively May 21, 2004." This is the link: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/trees/owt/ John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

This is a poor transcription of a Bertie County, NC deed because it is PEELE and not PEEKE but you see this kind of stuff all the time. I think he was mentioned in another PEELE deed which I posted several days ago. It is probably FOSTER, too and not FORESTER. I think some of these transcribers ought to go back to grammar school. <grin> I love the description of this land that was sold to William DANIEL - there is not one. At least they got the JONES right. <grin> <<< Book B Page 112 Bertie County, NC Transcription from original documents No. 27 James Peeke to William Daniel The Within named James Peeke in consideration of Twenty Pounds sterl to him paid by William Daniel doth hereby grant Enfeoff assigns & confirm to the said William Daniel all the lands tenements and appurtenances within mentioned to have and to hold the said land and tenements unto him, the said William Daniel, his heirs & assigns, free of all Incumbrance, Witness the hand and seal of the said James Peeke 11th Day of May Anno Dom 1726 James Peeke (Seal) The word Febr. being rased and the word May being unterlined and the figures 1725 being rased out the figures 1726 being added in presence of us, Robert Forster- Thomas Jones------- Bertie Precinct May Court 1726 The Above assignment from James Peeke to William Daniel was in Open Court Acknowledged in due form of Law which on motion is ordered to be registered Test Robert Forster Clerk Court >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning: The key family in some of these Eastern NC folks may well be the family of John WILLIAMS, Sr. and Ann or Mary WHITNEY of Lower Parish, IOW County, VA. Some want to show them as being from York County, when they may have been at one time, but I am pretty sure they or their descendants end up in IOW. This is why we have not been able to make any sense of this mess. I do not know whether the following are children of John, Sr. or his son, John, II but I think, John II based upon their DOB's Anyway, let's assume for the moment they were children of John WILLIAMS II and he may have even married a WHITNEY or WHITLEY. Regardless, their children: 1. Ann WILLIAMS b. ABT 1690 married Samuel HERRING b. ABT 1682 in IOW County, VA. She died AFT 1769 in ,Wayne County, NC 2. Mary WILLIAMS b. ABT 1690 married his brother, Abraham HERRING b. ABT 1684 in IOW County, VA. This is not fixed in stone but it seems to be that way. Abraham HERRING died in Bertie County, NC. 3. John WILLIAMS (maybe IV) b. 1679 married Mary KEELING b: 26 SEP 1684 4. Theophilus WILLIAMS -- I would almost bet some of this family was tied to the PUGHS because Theophuilus was a big name in that family. The reason this WILLIAMS family is important is because Mary WILLIAMS married John DANIELL II and her sister, Sarah WILLIAMS married William DANIELL and these folks were from York County, VA whose families often migrated into IOW. Once we tie in John WILLIAMS and Mary KEELING family into this eastern NC bunch it starts to make a lot more sense because we start picking up names that are also down in NC, as well as GA, especially those big COFFEE and GRAVES connections. Some of these names are also names on Bertie area deed, too but not the COFFEE and the GRAVES.... I am not against the possibility that the William DANIEL we see later in Bertie County, NC, who is tied to the same locations and deeds in which Owen O'DANIEL is included, is not a descendant of this DANIEL family. I am also not against the idea this Owen O'DANIEL, who was the father of Frederick O'DANIEL who married Charity WHITFIELD, is not related to this DANIEL family in some way. The reason being -- Owen O'DANIEL and William DANIEL are on many of the early (pre-1730) deeds of the same families and lived very close together, although their names were spelled, differently, on the deeds they were both on. Maybe someone has some thoughts on this. Somewhere in all of this mess is the truth but I only have a partial glimpse of it..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Who is this Lt. Robin DANIEL? It cannot be the Robin DANIEL who was the son of Josiah DANIEL and Elizabeth KEY of Granville County, NC because he was born in 1787, as the story goes. . The Hon. Whitmell HILL, Esq. (1742-1797) mentioned in this statement was the son of Col., John HILL and Martha WHITMELL and these were all Bertie and Edgecombe County, NC folks. Whitmell HILL married Winifred BLOUNT, d.o Thomas BLOUNT and Elizabeth WHITMELL of Bertie, later Edgecombe County, NC. However, Elizabeth WHITMELL married, first, George POLLOCK (1699-1736), son of Gov. Thomas POLLOCK and Martha CULLEN but George died BEF 1736 after which she married Thomas BLOUNT (1708-1746) and they had two children, Winifred (b. 1743) and Joseph (b. 1745). After Thomas died in 1746, she married William WILLIAMS and they had several children - one of her sons married Charity Alston DAWSON, another son married a WILLIAMS girl and her daughter married John JOHNSTON. The HARDISON listed in this statement has to be the father/uncle of Luke HARDISON born ABT 1780 in Martin County, NC who married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o William DANIEL and Pricilla ANDREWS of Martin County, NC Benjamin HARDISON was born ABT 1715 and married Elizabeth DUGGAN, d/o William DUGGAN and Mary SMITHWICK Contrary to some, I have assigned William DANIEL, Sr. to Robert DANIEL and Mary SWAIN of Martin County, NC in my database and not Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL and UNK of Pitt County, NC - these Roberts were, we think, first cousins, so it is still the same "overall family." I think Robin DANIEL was Robert DANIELL, Jr. son of Robert DANIEL and Mary SWAIN of Pitt County, NC and he did not die in the RW. I think the Michael LITTLE is related to William LITTLE but this family is just about as big a mess as some of ours. <grin> I am also not sure this old man made a mistake and this is not Michael HILL instead of Michael LITTLE. <<< EXTRACT OF SWORN STATEMENT OF DANIEL ROBASON, SENIOR A two-page handwritten instrument signed by his "mark", witnessed by Lawrence Cherry (Chairman of Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions), dated 8 October 1832, in Martin County; his amended statement, dated 18 Mar 1833, witnessed by James Burroughs, JP (Justice of Peace): I was born in Martin County, but have no record of my age because I was released by my father at age 21, and I am now about 74 years (SIC: born circa 1758-1759). I served in the Revolutionary War for about eight months: as a volunteer in Captain Michael Little's Company and stationed in Wilmington, NC, for about three months; took part in the Battle of Guilford Court House, under Captain Benjamin Hardison, Lt. Robin Daniel, in Regt. commanded by Colonel Whitmell Hill, Colonel Kenneth McKensie, Major John Everett, in the Army commanded by General Greene. I was discharged at Ramsay's Mill, on Haw River, after about three months; later, I volunteered under Capt. Cone at Halifax, and then under Col. Coleman on the Cape Fear River, for about two months. I have received regular discharges at the termination of each tour but I have either lost or mislaid them not estimating them to be of much importance. APPENDED STATEMENTS By Joseph Biggs, Sr., dated 18 March 1833, wherein he stated that he knew the claimant, believed him to be about age 74, and that he served in the War. Witnessed by James Burroughs, JP. By Josiah Lilley, dated 23 September 1832, wherein he stated that he served with Daniel, who was drafted for three months, and that Daniel was at the Battle of Guilford Court House. Witnessed by Robert Lanier, JP. By Joes Smithwick, JP, William Daniel, JP, Noah Riddick, JP, dated 8 October 1832, to the effect that they had known Daniel, for many years, and that he had served in the War. Witnessed by Lawrence Cherry, Chmn. By Simon Griffin, dated 17 May 1845, to the effect that Daniel was a Revolutionary pensioner who died about 10 years ago in Martin County that he was present at the marriage of Daniel and Elizabeth Griffin who was his sister, that about eight years ago, after the death of Daniel, who removed to Tennessee, that Daniel and Elizabeth were married by JP Henry Hunter in the house of John Griffin the father of the deponent when Elizabeth was 18-20 years of age. Witnessed by Simon M. Smithwick, JP and Noah Reddick, JP. PENSION VOUCHER, #12867, Daniel Robason Private in NC Militia company commanded by Capt. Little in Regt commanded by Col. Hill, from Martin County, for eight months. Certificate files 6 June 1833, with arrears to 4 March 1833, recorded Book E, Vol. 6, page 54. Page 4 EXTRACT OF SWORN STATEMENT OF ELIZABETH ROBESON Executed before Littleton Joyner, Clerk of Court, Brownsville, Haywood County, TN, as application to receive a widow's pension, dated 3 November 1845, signed by her "mark": That she was about age 84, the widow of Daniel who served in the War, from Martin County, NC, and that he died in that county on 9 August 1835, and that she moved to Haywood County in 1838. EXTRACT OF SWORN STATEMENT OF BRYANT ROBESON Executed before Littleton Joyner, Clerk of Court, Haywood County, TN, dated 3 November 1845: That the Family Bible had been in his possession since the death of his father Daniel, who died in Martin County, TN on 9 August 1835, and that it had not bee altered. That the Bible entries were in the handwriting of Luke Bennet, of Martin County, at the special request of Daniel in his lifetime. That Elizabeth (his mother) had resided with him since the death of his father Daniel (Sr.) Bryant first signed as Bryant Robertson which signature was lined through and he then signed as Bryant Robeson. LETTERS FROM ISAAC H. JOHNSON From Cherryville, TN, to Court of Claims, Washington, DC, dated 10 November 1845, which included the fact that Elizabeth resided at least 20 miles from Brownsville, the County Site (Seat). From Cherryville, TN, the Court of Claims, Washington, DC, dated 19 February 1846, to the effect that Captain Bryant Robason had had the possession of the Family Bible since the death of his father Daniel. EXTRACT OF SWORN STATEMENT OF ELIZABETH ROBESON Executed before Beverley O. Watson, JP, Haywood County, TN, dated 31 October 1848, and signed by her "mark": That she was about 89 years of age the widow of Daniel who had served in the War, from Martin County, NC, and who died there on 9 August 1835. Various Records in the File The record contained several official documents indicating that she had drawn an annual widow's pension of $26.64, retroactive to 4 March 1836. The last voucher, dated 23 January 1849, was for that same amount. It would seem, therefore, that she died soon after that date; also, based on her 1845 statement, she would have been born circa 1759-1761. Comments by the Contributor Page 5 The flowing literate script, by Luke Bennet of Martin County, included entries thru 16 August 1811. Following those entries, which are semi-literate in nature extended for the period thru 1843. The underscoring was provided by the contributor to emphasize the obvious. Son Bryant, spelled as Robertson in the Bible four times. Also, in his statement of 1845, eh first signed as Bryant Robertson which was lined thru and then signed as Bryant Robeson. This latter signature (a) was likely made to conform to the spelling used by his mother, and (b) supports the fact that Daniel (Sr.), if not others among his children, spelled the family name inter-changeably as Robason, Robason and also Robertson. Further, Daniel's brothers spelled the name as Robertson in their official Revolutionary War records. It is not clear just which of the children of Daniel removed to TN with his wife Elizabeth (Griffin). Based on the military service of Daniel (Sr.), his male descendents are eligible for membership in the Sons of the Revolution (SR) and the Sons of the American Revolution (SAR); his female descendents are eligible for membership in the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

I want to know who the following Elizabeth SMITH is. I think she is the Elizabeth WHITFIELD who married John SMITH II and they lived, according to most, in Smithfield, Johnston County, NC. These deeds involve land in the area of Grinnal's or Grindall's Creek, Pitt County, NC which runs from Pitt into Craven and is near Fort Barnwell, NC. Who these folks are, those that I know: James BARROW was the father of Samuel BARROW. I cannot find out Lemuel JAMES connection to this bunch but he did have a son, Matthew JAMES who married Mary ALBRITTON, g/d James. James ALBRITTON married Elizabeth LANIER, d/o John LANIER III and Elizabeth BIRD of Surry County, VA. Elizabeth had a brother named, Lemuel LANIER, who married an Elizabeth PETERS and moved to Burke County, GA, so the Lemuel name is around this bunch. James BARROW is the father of Sam or Samuel BARROW listed on some of these deeds. Deeds: 20 Jul 1752 | George Canon, planter => Lamuel James | 200 Ac. £14 curr; Witn: James Barrow, Moses Moor, Thomas Pinket | Beau Bk 3 pg 109 | SS Grindal Creek ; B. pine runing S,180P a pine, thence W,100P to a pine, thence N,180P to a pine, thence E,180P to the first station | which land was pat. 20 Apr 1745 James Barrow, 22 Sep 1760, 278 and 1/2 Ac. Joining Elizabeth Smith, Robert Daniel. Thomas Pugh, 22 Sep 1760, 270 Ac. near Thomas Barker, Crummeys Branch. 4 Mar 1761 | Granville bk.11 pg.53 => Ebenezer Folsom | 700 acres in Beaufort County in St Thomas Parish, joining the Great Pond, John Cason, Sassafras Pole Pocoson, Samuel James, Grindall Creek, the Great Meddow, James Barrow, Whitchard's line, Cherrys line, Great Swamp, William Daniel Penkett, Edward Cannon and George May (MOYE) | Wits: Thomas Worsley, Alex Stewart | SCC: George Moore James Albertson | BF-249 Deed Book F _Pitt County, NC Page Date Grantor Grantee Additional Information 34 11/18/1773 Samuel Davis Joshua Barnes 160 A; £66, Adj. Michael Ward (dec.) Former owner: John Ward, Sr. Wit: James Barrow 124 1/23/1775 Sarah Washington Joshua Barnes 145 A; £45. Former owner: John Washington (Pat. 1758). Wit: Elias Bergeron, James Barrow. 499 1/20/1779 Elisha Gray & Lucy Gray, wife Joshua Barnes 145 A; £260. Former owner: John Washington (Pat. 1758). Wit: Isaac Cason. Deed Book I 65 1/24/1783/ Wm Moore (1776) Solomon Ward 300 A; £100. Former owner: David Webb. Wit: James Barrow, Joshua Barnes. 460 4/__/1785 Dorcas Hodge (JOHNS) Joshua Barns 100 A; $6. Former owners: John Ward, grandfather of Dorcas Hodge, grantor; John Baget, John Ingram, Samuel Davis. Deed Book L 7 10/25/1785 Aaron Tison (1783) Aaron Tison, Jr. son 200 A; ___. Wit: Joshua Barnes, Lewis Davis. 17 12/__/1785Samuel Davis Sr. (1782) Jacob Barnes (Southampton, Va.)640 A; £. Wit: Joshua Barnes, Samuel Davis. Deed Book O 106 3/9/1797 Samuel Davis, Sr. Ichabod Tison 160 A: £100. Adj. Joshua Barnes. Wit: Benjamin May, Lemuel Deberry Other Pitt County, NC Deeds: 18 Apr 1784 | Henry Cason (1783) => John Legate | 50 A; £20. Wit.: Sam Barrow, James Albrittain | Pitt Bk.I-259 25 Jan 1812 | James Barrow => Robert Lanier | 200 A; £50. Adj,: Matthew Hodges. Former owner: John Brinkley (1782). Wit.: Luke Albritton | Pitt Bk.S-222 Halifax County, NC Deeds From: Abraham Little to: William Womwell 1-367; Halifax County, NC Deeds 10-26-1760;WitnessesL Josiah Swearingen, James (X) Cobb, James Barrow Description: 100a on N side Tar River; adjacent to Edward Cobb, Doil, David Averet, sd Little From: Abraham Little & James (X) Little of Pitt Co. NC To: William Little Halifax Deeds: 1-383; 3-2-1762; Witnesses: Amos Atkinson, Jacob Little, John (X) Sharp Description: 200a on N side Tar River; adjacent to Widow Allen, James Hern, Mary Haywood John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Good Morning, This is a very interesting set of orders from Johnston County , NC. There are no DANIELS listed in these orders but every one of these families are collateral with them in some way or another. The John TARVER listed has to be John, son of Samuel 1 and Mary BOYCE, and he married Sarah ROGERS of Surry County, VA and her brother was the Aaron ROGERS listed in these deeds. Notice also Stephen PETTYPOOL listed in this order. His daughter, Elizabeth married Simon DANIEL, Jr. the son of Simon DANIEL, Sr. and Elizabeth ROGERS. A round robin to me on this whole family. I do not know who William HINTON was but he has to be related to Col. John HINTON, Sr. who was married to Grizelle KIMBROUGH in some way - possibly a brother of John. I would not bet the John CLARK listed is not the father or brother of Gen. Elijah CLARKE (1733-1799) of GA, either, since his oldest boy was named, John. The James WOOTEN listed was James the son of Richard WOOTEN, Jr. and Lucy COUNCIL of IOW County, VA. James married Faitha ROGERS, who has to be a sister of Aaron and Sarah ROGERS, previously mentioned. What I find interesting is the HOLLIMAN listed in these deeds. Martha "Patsy" HOLLIMAN born 1768 in NC married Samuel COLEMAN, son of Daniel COLEMAN, Sr. and Unity CARROLL. His brother was Eden COLEMAN who married Nancy Ann DANIEL in Greene County, GA. Nancy is supposedly the daughter of Thomas DANIEL and Sarah BURNEY of Greene County, GA. The PRICES mentioned in these orders have to be related in some way to the Rice PRICE, later of Washington County, GA who married Mary Jane WHITFIELD, because the WHITFIELDS are tied all over PETTYPOOL deeds. The LOWREYS are also tied to the LANES of Wake County, NC and they, in turn, back to the HINTONS. I think we are looking at a portion of this whole bunch and they are all inter-connected but they are all a part of the same IOW bunch. <<< 1759 At a court held at Hintons Corner, south side of Nuse River. Read the petition of the Inhabitants of Mockason Little River & Buffelow Praying an order for a road from John Clerks on Mockason Creek from thence to Thomas Hollomons on Little River and then to Great Buffelow to Hunters Foard and then to John Tervers ford on Nuse River which was granted, and whereupon Stephen Petty Pool, John ONeal Senr., Edward Price, James Price, Thomas Holliman, Michael Atkinson, James Wooten, Matthew Lowery, John Tarver, Aron Rogers, William Hinton & Saml Holliman was appointed Jurors to lay out said Road. Ordered that Stephen Pettypool be appointed overseer of sd. road from John Clark's to Thomas Hollimon's Mill, James Wooten from there to Nuse River and John Tarver from Nuse to Hintons Quarter where the Court house is. Order that the Clerk make out orders for sd. Overseers. 1760 January. Ordered that Edward Price be appointed overseer of ye high way to be laid out from John Clarks on Mockasan Creek to Thos. Holimons Mill in ye room of Steephen Pettypooll, and that the Inhabitants belonging to sd District work upon ye same. 1761 January 3. Ordered that John Cox, Moses Cox, John ONeels Junr., Roland Cornelius, James Jordan, Jacob Bracewell, Drury Rogers, New Tapley, Aron Rogers, Thos. Procter, Robt. Moodey, Thos. Driver, Willm Allen, Robt. Snipes & John Snipes be sumoned by ye Sherrif to appear before John Giles Thomas on ye Third Tuesday of March next to be Qualified for any 12 of them to lay of a New Road to Begin at James Lees on Mockason Creek to come ye nearest & convenientest way into Tarvers Road on News River and they are hereby appointed a Jury for the Purpose. >>> John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Mike, I agree, something just does not smell right about this bunch as they are currently laid out. I do not know if they were a part of the same IOW bunch or not. Let's take T&E's kids and the order of their birth. The oldest is Robert, named for her father, Robert LANIER. Their second son is named John - was this John named for his father? Their third boy is William, possibly named for Thomas's oldest brother? Maybe this is our William DANIEL. Now, let's take a look at the girls. The oldest is Sarah, possibly named for Sarah BARKER, the wife of Robert LANIER. Their second girl is named Mary. Was she named for his mother? Their 3rd daughter was named, Elizabeth. I think that Simon of Edgecombe. Thomas of Tyrrell, John or Northampton and possibly this William are related but are they siblings, cousins or a combination, thereof. DNA analysis will not answer this one, either...... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Runforf471@aol.com> To: <DANIEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Nansemond County, VA Deeds > John, > > Believe this William was the Bertie County jailer in 1724 that convinced > the > Bertie County Court needed an Ordinary to entertain folks coming to court. > The County then gave Will a piece of land on a free 99 year lease to build > an > Ordinary and dwelling for his family and Will became the Ordinary keeper. > > I believe this is also the William that purchased property in 1730 adj to > Robert LANIER and Robert ROGERS among others. William traded several > tracts with > members of the PEELE family as you posted as well as James JENKINS also of > NANSEMOND. > > In Chowan Court Oct 1742 it was ordered that James WILSON be overseer of > the > roads from Bennett's Creek Bridge to Knotty Pine Swamp in the room of > William > DANIEL Ca. Bennett's Creek is mentioned in several of the deeds you > posted. > > Who is he? Shooting from the hip I would say he is some relation to > Thomas > DANIEL (of T&E) and possibly Simon DANIEL but I have no proof. Possibly > some > relation to Owen also. I have begun to separate Simon from Owen in my > mind if > not in my database; just not enough to feel strongly about. > > Mike > > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > >