Hi Pam & all, I'm in a Shepherd maze and hope someone can help me find my way out. From info sent to me by Mike - [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) - on 9/21/05, the following: Shepherd Daniel b. bef. 1774, was a son of James Daniel b. 1730, d. 1789 in Halifax Cty., NC and Elizabeth West b. bef 1758, (daughter of William West and Martha). Siblings of Shepherd are listed as West b. 1770, Patsey, b. before 1771, Ephraim b. bef. 1772, Milly b. bef. 1776, Margaret (called Peggy) b. bef. 1789. Shepherd Daniel b. bef. 1804, son of West Daniel b. 1770 and Rebecca Lanier, daughter of Shepherd Lanier and Lucy Smith. I have found a Shepherd Daniel listed in the Iredell Co., NC census records of 1820, 1830, 1840. Could he be the son of West Daniel and Rebecca Lanier? (There's also a West Daniel in the 1820 Iredell Co., NC census). Another Shepherd: my great grandfather Shepherd L. Daniel b. 1836 in Iredell Co., NC. According to the late Minnie Hall of the Grayson Co., Va. Historical Society, his parent's (my gg grandparents) were Shepherd Daniel of NC and Mary Moss. I don't know when my gr grandfather Shepherd L. Daniel moved to Va., but his residence was Grayson Co., Va. in 1861, when he enlisted as a Confederate soldier. He lived in Grayson Co. until his death in 1918. I would sure appreciate any information which would help connect (or not) the gg grandfather Shepherd Daniel of Iredell Co. to West Daniel and Rebecca Lanier. Much thanks to Pam, Mike and others who have helped me before with this "Shepherd" issue which never seems to end. This has been my brick wall for a long time. Regards, Pat

Hi all, (Mike, this is late follow-up to an old topic), I finally got back to working on my notions about James Daniel (d.1789) and Elizabeth West. When I first thought I was "seeing" the possibility of relating the James Daniel who married Elizabeth West to the Edmund gang, I had his probable time of marriage off, but I'm still iffy on that because I don't have enough later records to establish it fully. The later records that put him with the Peter gang are compelling, but at the time I was also looking to make sure his location at time of marriage made sense, i.e. where were Israel West and his sister Elizabeth, did James go to them, was he already there, etc. I had James and Elizabeth marrying later (mid to late 1770s) when Israel West had already started unloading his father's property on Stoney Creek, had moved up to Halifax and was _very_ tied to the Edmund gang on Beaverdam at the time. But with a bit more later stuff I realize James' marriage was ?earlier? than I had thought and it probably puts him back with the Peter group - but I can still say a "maybe" with that, it depends on when he married and on if the William Daniel of Stoney Creek is part of the Peter gang or not. But yeah, my Edmund thoughts are pretty trashed now. This is going to be my worst ever post of thoughts, I just can't get a hold of what I'm thinking (good sign whatever it is is wrong, eh?). And just personal background, I am so hypersensitive to, not just the possibility, but the probability that there are always more than one of the same name in any given location (the story of my life), so you have to watch out for me seeing triple when it might not be so and fix me on it (think Cool Hand Luke, "Have you got your mind right, Pam?"). But there's definite record evidence of two James Daniel running around in 1770, I just don't see much further identifying or separating them. And there's a William Daniel down in the nearly correct Nash area as early as 1740 before the Brunswick folk came down (and I don't think he's part of the Simon gang either). A big chunk of everything rests on the details of the 20 Jan 1793 sale by West, Ephraim, and Patsy Daniel to James Judge. All I've seen so far is that it took place and it's in book 17, possibly page 500, county isn't named. Please, does anybody have a fuller citation of it, particularly some bit of description of the acreage or location? There's only one "loose" piece of land that I can find that belonged to a James Daniel in 1789 (besides the 200a he gave to son West), he had unloaded all the others. What's left is the 266a on the S side of the Sapony, is that the land the heirs sold in 1793 or not? And are they the only children of James and Elizabeth? And the last thoughts, but I'm not going to try to state it all here, the 1771-1772 deeds that put James Daniel in Edgecombe/Nash with father-in-law William West around the time of his marriage(?) could be related to the earlier William Daniel of Stoney Creek in Nash, and I can't feel too positive that that's the same as the Brunswick William and Peter gang, not when William and Sarah are in Halifax at the same time (early 1760s). Or possibly what I'm doing here is being stubborn and saying that I don't think the Brunswick William first or also went south to the Nash area and then back up to the Halifax area, call me on it if that's what's happening! Anyway, below is the James Daniel data I'm looking at, chronological, entry followed by [further location of land mentioned even if not Daniel land, questions, comments]. 1770 shows there's two James, and the various land acquisitions are a little strange, not enough acreage to suggest he's just speculating, but what then? And is there any indication of why he went to Halifax not long before he died and where was he living there? I have to watch myself, I can make a case that almost any of these guys is a whole separate James Daniel! Here's my other news, I published a page of my Daniel records of Edgecombe/Halifax/Nash/Wilson and a bit of the applicable Granville/Warren counties with a map to help locate the lands (oh, the map passion I inherited from my Daddy). It's at: http://www.pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson/index.htm Another big please - does anybody know where Jarrells Swamp was in Halifax, or the Gum Swamp (it wasn't a generic gum swamp) that was in the Beaverdam area? They just aren't showing up anywhere! Regards, Pam in CA Hal DB9-197 John (x) Pope and wf Sarah (x) of Hal to Thomas Nicholson of Edgec 1 Apr 1765, £90, 200a pat to sd Pope 17 Jun 1741, on N sd Fishing Ck, jng Pope's Branch. wit Davis Connell, David Nicholson, James Daniel. recd Apr 1765. [From my unlocatable leftovers on N sd Fishing Ck. Other Nicholsons are on Jarrell Sw, Rockey Sw E sd, and S sd Fishing. Other Popes are on Gum Sw, Burnt Coat. Other Connells are on Rockey Sw S sd, BUT a Davis Coniel is on Sandy/Swift in 1761 w/Wm Daniel, i.e. in Nash or Edgecombe] Hal DB9-326 Robert Duglass and wf Ollive to Benajah Saxon 24 Jun 1765, £14.3, 150a which Robert Duglass acq fr his bro Thomas Duglass, on S sd Jackett Sw, jng John Burns, William Dugless. sig Robert Dugliss, Olive (x) Duglass. wit James Daniel, Thomas Dugless, Michall (x) Wallis. recd Jul 1766. [Jacket Sw S sd] Edg Ct p.222 James Daniel bridge built over Fishing Ck at Culpeper's in 1766, paid in May 1769, see below. [Fishing Ck. See later for more.] Hal DB9-426 Thos (x) Tucker and wf Ann (x) planter of Hal to James Daniel same 7 Jan 1767, £42, 150a acq by Francis Drake 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket Sw, Turkey Branch. wit John Brown, John Daniel Jr. recd Jan 1767. [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Sold by James and Elizabeth in 1770 to Peter Daniel.] Edg Ct p.222 May 1769 Ordered that Sheriff pay James Daniel £29.5.7 which appears to be the proportion of this county for a Bridge over Fishing Creek at Culpeppers built by the said James Daniel in the year 1766 & that sd sheriff ["pay" is crossed out] be allowed the same in his accts. etc. [Fishing Ck. There's a Culpeper's road at Burnt Coat 1775 and 1819, i.e. not close to Fishing Ck or Jacket Swamp, BUT there is a Culpeppers Bridge today at Fishing Creek dead south of Jack Horse Swamp off of Rockey Swamp] [Does this sound enough like Edgecombe was paying a Halifax James for their part of the bridge? At first I was wondering could this James likely be residing in Edgecombe already and not in Halifax, especially since the known James of Halifax was so far from any possible bridge.] Edg Ct p.255 Feb 1770 $ to James Daniel for fishing Creek Bridge £29.5.7 [Fishing] Hal DB11-162 James Daniel and wf Elizabeth to Peter Daniel 9 Mar 1770, £100, 150a which Francis Drake had acq 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket Swamp, Turkey Branch. wit John Daniel Jr, David Daniel. recd Aug 1770. [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Ok, does this James really seem to leave the area and go south for the next 16 years and then come back to Halifax before he dies? My biggest problem is I thought James and Elizabeth West married NOT before the early 1770s, son West sells land independently in 1793 so born probably by 1772, just clutching here.] Hal DB11-238 Bverly Brown of Brunwick [sic] VA to William Brown of Pr Geo VA 21 Sep 1770, £30, 313a jng Rocky Sw, Thos Williams. wit Robt Saunders, Jas Daniel Jr, Richd Brown. recd Nov 1770. [Rocky Sw] [***So there should be another older James, related or not, in the area active enough that distinction needed to be made.] Edg DB2-25 Joseph (x) Strickland and wf Francies [sic] of Edg to Thomas Hunter same 5 Oct 1771, £90, 200a pat by William West, on Stony Ck, jng Lasetors Branch, Thomas Brown, sd West. wit Edward Gandy, Wm Whittenton, James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. [Stony Ck=Nash] [This is a critical one, here's a James Daniel tied to the father-in-law William West. I'm not sure that it just has to be the same one who sold the land in Halifax in 1770? But I guess the lack of further Halifax records for a James until 1786 may makes the case.] Edg DB2-1 Jesse (x) Hunt of Edgc to David Daniel of Hal 19 Nov 1772, £23, 100a which was part of grt to William Brassell 24 Jul 1761, jng Young, Lake. wit Thomas Hunter, Wm Horn, James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. [Pigbasket=Nash] [Yeah, this is helping put James with the Peter gang for sure.] Edg DB2-157 Joseph (x) Strickling of Edgc to Thomas Hunter of same 23 Nov 1772, £2.10, 1a [one] on S sd Stoney Ck jng sd Thomas Hunter's mill. wit Shadrach Rutland, John Deavenport, James Thomas, Jas Daniel. recd Oct 1774. [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] Edg Ct p.376 Feb 1773 James Daniel appt overseer of road in the room of Richard Vick [Stoney Ck=Nash] Edg Ct p.422 Oct 1774 Richard Vick appt overseer of road in the room of James Daniel [Stoney Ck=Nash] Edg DB3-1 William (x) Hendrick of Edg to James Daniel same 3 Feb 1775, £67, 266a part of Granv grt to sd William Hendrick 10 Aug 1762, on S sd Sappony Sw, jng Sappony Branch, Batchelor, Great Meadow. wit William Boddie, Nathan Boddie, Abraham Bass. recd Apr 1775. [Sapony S sd=Nash] [Critical. No disposition, is this the land where he actually resided, is it the land the heirs of James (d.1789) and Elizabeth sold later?] Edg DB3-26 Israel West of Hal to Richard Vick same 18 Feb 1775, £183.6.8, 200a part of pat to William West 20 Apr 1745, on S sd Stony Ck, jng Sampson Pope. wit William West, James Daniel, Thomas Hunter. recd Apr 1775. [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] [Israel then goes up to Halifax, settles on Beaverdam/Rocky, sells the last of this inherited land in Nash in 1784.] Nash DB A29 Micajah Thomas of Nash to James Daniel of same 11 Apr 1777, £170, 422a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, it being a tract grtd to Robert Young by Erle of Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv by sd Young to Jacob Whitehead 13 Jun 1764, beg at a Red Oak on S sd of pigbasket Ck, runing thence N 252p to a pine, thence W 268p to a white oak, thence S 252p to a Red Oak, thence E 268p to the ck thence along the ck to first station. wit Wilson Vick, Wm Avent. recd Jul 1778 [Pigbasket N sd] [Sold in two parts shown later: 1779 to Frederick Daniel, 1786 to John Barrott. I'd sure feel better if a wife signed on those coming deeds. Unless Frederick can be identified better, is there at least some bizarre chance that this is a different James Daniel? Yeah, David Daniel is a witness later for this land, but is there any chance there are two David Daniels, one helps prove the Peter connection, the other doesn't but confuses the issue? And the usual question, am I really going to push send after writing this?] Nash WB1-6 William Braswell Jr wr 30 Nov 1778 pr Jan 1779. wf Martha. Sons: 1 Robin 740a on N sd Little Ck; 2 Dempsey 710a on S sd Little Ck when they come of age. Daus: 1 Juday Hunt; 2 Lucrecy Williams; 3 Priscilla Exum; 4 Rhoda Powell; 5 Mourning Braswell. Grson Alexander Hunt. Grdau Nancy Hunt. Son-in-law Thomas Beckwith. exr William Williams, Joseph Exum, Jesse Powell. wit Wilson Vick, James Daniel, William Braswell. [Little Ck is WAY south in Nash, I can't find one closer to Pigbasket. I don't have all the Braswell stuff, but this is weird as far as the land.] Nash DB A-97 James Daniel of Nash to Frederick Daniel of Nash, 3 Mar 1779, 140a on N sd of Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, part of tract grtd to Robert Young 1 Jun 1764, beg at a White oak then S 252p to a red oak, thence E 90p to a Water oak, thence N 252p to a red oak in James Daniel's back line, thence along sd Daniel's line W 90p to the first station. wit Howell Flewellen, David (x) Daniel. recd Jul 1779. [Pigbasket N sd, part of the 422a in Nash DB A29. So I guess the David Daniel could be the final evidence.] Nash DB5-59 Jacob Dickingson of Edgec to Jesse Thomas of Nash 2 Jul 1782, £20, 200a Nash beg Jesse Thomas' corner tree a Red Oak, fr thence S to Jacob Dickinson's corner Red Oak, thence S to the Publick (road, Rackley's addition), thence W along sd Road to Micajah Thomas' line upon the Meadow Branch, then down sd Branch to Micajah Thomas' other line, thence E to Jesse Thomas & along sd line to first station. wit James Daniel, Richard Thomas. recd Aug 1788. After clerk's info: "This is a true copy from record [Book F, page 74]. L'd F. Ellen." [Pigbasket] Nash DB B45 Israel West of Hal to Thomas Hunter of Nash 18 Jun 1784, £70, part of a tract of land on N sd Stoney Ck, which sd land fell to the sd Israel West by the death of his Farther [sic], there being 150a, beg at a White oak on the Creek Bank near the mouth of Laseter Branch runing a N Course to a corner in a line formerly called David Strickling's line, thence along a back line of marked trees to Thomas Willis' corner near Jesse Hunt, then along a line of marked trees S to a hickory in Willis' Branch, then down the sd branch to the low ground, thence a direct course to the run of sd Creek, then down the various courses of sd Creek to beg. wit James Daniel, Howell Ellen, Richard (x) Thomas. recd Feb 1785. [Stoney Ck N sd] NC Census 1786/87 Halifax "Distr No. 2, Taken by Francis Jones, Febry. 11, 1786." p.2 Lewis Daniel 1-1-5-2-5, p. 3 Sterling Daniel 1-1-4-0-0 skip 5 William Daniel 2-4-3-4-5 [by all rights this district should include Darling Swamp and probably some Burnt Coat] Halifax "District No. 3; taken by Lemuell Hogun 1st Febry. 1786." p. 3 Jacob O. Daniel 0-6-6-0=0 [this could/should include Cowhaul Sw] Halifax "District 10; taken by Samuel Crowell 22nd May 178-"p.1 Joseph Daniell 1-4--4-1-0, p.2 Sion Daniell 1-0-1-2-0 next Peter Daniell 1-4-3-1, Ambrose Daniell 1-5-3-0-0 [should include Burnt Coat Sw] Halifax "District 12; taken by Thomas Harvey 12 February 1786." p.3 Jas. Daniel (No return), next to Williams, Alston [this could/should be Burnt Coat Sw, but could include Gum Sw/Beaverdam Sw] [This tax list was taken Feb 1786, but James "of Nash" is still selling in Nash in May of 1786 and still buying in 1787 as well. Absolutely common, but I'm still wondering (or looking to make the rules of thumb about this kind of thing bend backward). That there was "no return" can mean any of the various reasons to help any theory about same or different James Daniels existing, shoot.] Nash DB E46 James Daniel of Nash to John Barrott of Southampton VA 2 May 1786, £150, 282a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or braswell's Ck, it being a tract grtd Robert Young by Granv 8 Nov 1755, beg at a red oak on S sd of Pigbasket Ck runing thence N 252p to a pine, thence W along a line of marked trees to a Willow Oak a corner made and agreed on betw sd James Daniel, Frederick Daniel, thence S along a line of marked trees to a black Jack in the old line. wit Howell Ellen, Nathan (x) Barrott, Jno Williams. recd May 1787. [Pigbasket N sd, this is the last of the 422a from Nash DB A29.] Nash DB F24 Micajah Thomas of Nash to Julian King of same 18 Jul 1787, £200, 300a beg at a hickory on the S sd Pigbasket Ck, then Thomas Whitfield's line, thence N 150p to a pine in Robert Young's line now James Daniel's, thence by sd line W 94p to his corner red oak, thence by his other line N 40p to a pine, thence S 40W 180p the beaverdam a small branch at or near the bank of Pigbasket Ck [sic on first part, needs a "to"?], thence down the courses of the sd Ck to the mouth of the bull meadow branch, then up the courses of sd branch to the head, fr thence a direct course to a corner pine, fr thence S to a lightwood stump and post oak, fr thence to the first station. wit Rhody Ricks, Jacob (x) Butts. recd Feb 1788. [Pigbasket N sd, starts on S sd of Pigbasket but goes N-W-N-SW back to Pigbasket.] Nash DB E55 James Cain of Nash to James Daniel of same 13 Nov 1787, £43, 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a black oak Lazarus Strickland's corner and runs E 180p to a red oak, thence N 178p to a pine on Johnson's Branch, thence up the branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence along his line S to beg. wit Wilson Vick, Julian King. Nov 1787. [James Daniel's Halifax will of 1789 wills this land to his son West Daniel. James' Halifax will is next and West Daniel's sale of the 200a is below (4-208).] [I locate this provisionally near Pigbasket because of the strong Julian King and Wilson Vick connections and because their deeds there refer to land owned by James Daniel, but it may belong in one of the strictly Toisnot sections further south?] Hal WB 3-173 James Daniel will wr 9 Apr 1789, pr Aug 1789. son West Daniel 200a in Nash Co on Tosneot. dau Patsey Daniel 1 negro etc. wf Elizabeth Daniel negroes and residue of est to raise my chn. exrs wf and William West and Howell Ellen. wit Thomas Cavenah, Mathew Gilbirt, Edward Cavenah. 1790 census West and Elizabeth Daniel in Halifax, Buckner Daniel in same sub-list. Also in section are the sons of William Flewellen, Abner, Taylor, Richard. William Flewellen was everywhere but his maybe last land purchases were on Burnt Coat, so they may be there, this would be a final nail in attaching them to the Peter gang. Nash DB4-208 West Daniel of Hal to Isaac Kirk of same 16 Apr 1793, £100, 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a Black Oak Lazarous Strickland's corner and runs E 180p to a Red Oak thence N 178p to a pine on Johnston's Branch, then up the Branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence along his line S to beg. wit Saml Smith, Allen Daniel. recd May 1793. [I'm using this to say he's at least of the age of discretion, more likely of age.] This next is online unsourced info, county wasn't given, WHAT IS THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS LAND????: "deed bk 17 1076-(500) West Daniel, Ephraim Daniel, Patsy Daniel of Halifax to James Judge of same. 20 Jan 1793. 500 pounds. The land below the grantors held by the will of Isreal West to the children of Elizabeth Daniel "at the marriage and death of his wife Pricilla West."...... signed by West, Ephraim and Patsey, witnessed by Elizabeth Daniel." Nash DB6-126 Frederick Daniel of Nash to Julian King of same 9 Feb 1796, £75, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it being part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755 and conv by dd to Jacob Whitehead 1 Jun 1764. wit James Williams, Wm Boddie [Pigbasket N sd] Nash DB6-464 Julian King of Nash to Howell F. Ellin of same [?day?] Feb 1800, $300, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it being part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv by sd Young to Jacob Whitehead's line (?) 1 Jun 1764, and conv by Frederick Daniel to Julian King. wit Arch'd Griffin, John Barrett. [Pigbasket N sd] I'm ignoring the 1812 James Daniel record who is part of the Josiah estate of Toisnot S side. [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will > > Audrey, > > Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the > Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel mentions in his > 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." However, James Daniel > seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and Dinwiddie folks. There is > also a school of thought that he may be related to the Edmund Daniel folks. A > lot is still pending on James. > > > Mike

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1822 Message Board Post: I am seeking information about a John T. Daniel born ca 1831, wife Sarah born ca 1850 (md ca 54 yrs in 1910 census) In that census with John was a Wm Haney & wife Lula I believe Lula was a Daniel ANYONE??

Can a Daniel family line be constructed for the folks in Frederick Co., Va., or are we dealing with a loose nit set of collaterals? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Thomas Daniel wife Sally Farmer > Thank you so much for this information, one thing that caught my eye was > Brazwell Daniel, A fellow researcher that has worked on the Daniel line > thinks that this line may connect to the Frederick county, VA. Daniel's > through the Brazwell, Brauzell also spelled many other different ways. It > seems this family of Brazwell was always around the Daniels in Frederick? > Early Frederick and surrounding counties. > > Marleen Van Horne <[email protected]> wrote: Vicki, > > I am making an educated guess, but many of the folks mentioned in your > message are probably colatteral relations to my Dew, Thomas and Barnes > ancestors from Edgecombe County, North Carolina. > > The book, The Descendats of Thomas Dew, by Ernestine White May answer > manyy of your questions. > > On page 182, it says: > > Elizabeth Farmer, daughter of Arthur Dew Sr., was married to Benjamin > Farmer, who was a Revolutionary War soldier and is honored by a granite > marker in Wilson, North Carolina. He made his will March 16, 1825, and > it was probated in February Court, 1827 > > 1. Elizabeth Farmer, wife > 2. William Farmer, son > 3. Braswell Farmer, son > 4. Absalom Farmer, son > 5. Dew Farmer, son > 6. Jacob Farmer, son > 7. Arthur Dew Farmer, son > 8. William Dew Farmer, son > 9. Sarah Hollowell, daughter > 10. Odedience White, daughter > 11. Nancy Dew, daughter (She married Jonathan Dew.) > 12. Elizabeth Amason, daughter > 13. A daughter who married John Barnes, deceased. > > This list covers many of the names in the Thomas Daniel estate. Perhaps > Sally Farmer was a sister of Benjamin Farmer. > > This book is available on CD from abebooks.com, but unless you have a > great interest in the Dews, there are only a couple of pages on the > Farmers, and there is no Thomas Daniel in the index, but it looks as if > the above family were mentioned in the estate. > > Marleen Van Horne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. >

Vickie, Do you have a direct BARNES line? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Lomon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Thomas Daniel wife Sally Farmer > Thank you so much for this information, one thing that caught my eye was > Brazwell Daniel, A fellow researcher that has worked on the Daniel line > thinks that this line may connect to the Frederick county, VA. Daniel's > through the Brazwell, Brauzell also spelled many other different ways. It > seems this family of Brazwell was always around the Daniels in Frederick? > Early Frederick and surrounding counties. > > Marleen Van Horne <[email protected]> wrote: Vicki, > > I am making an educated guess, but many of the folks mentioned in your > message are probably colatteral relations to my Dew, Thomas and Barnes > ancestors from Edgecombe County, North Carolina. > > The book, The Descendats of Thomas Dew, by Ernestine White May answer > manyy of your questions. > > On page 182, it says: > > Elizabeth Farmer, daughter of Arthur Dew Sr., was married to Benjamin > Farmer, who was a Revolutionary War soldier and is honored by a granite > marker in Wilson, North Carolina. He made his will March 16, 1825, and > it was probated in February Court, 1827 > > 1. Elizabeth Farmer, wife > 2. William Farmer, son > 3. Braswell Farmer, son > 4. Absalom Farmer, son > 5. Dew Farmer, son > 6. Jacob Farmer, son > 7. Arthur Dew Farmer, son > 8. William Dew Farmer, son > 9. Sarah Hollowell, daughter > 10. Odedience White, daughter > 11. Nancy Dew, daughter (She married Jonathan Dew.) > 12. Elizabeth Amason, daughter > 13. A daughter who married John Barnes, deceased. > > This list covers many of the names in the Thomas Daniel estate. Perhaps > Sally Farmer was a sister of Benjamin Farmer. > > This book is available on CD from abebooks.com, but unless you have a > great interest in the Dews, there are only a couple of pages on the > Farmers, and there is no Thomas Daniel in the index, but it looks as if > the above family were mentioned in the estate. > > Marleen Van Horne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] > > > > > --------------------------------- > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save > big. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > >

Hi again, Robert, Sort of inevitable, if I had just waited a day - I did a hit and run today on my library to return some books and dashed off a bit from the Wilkes tax books, not complete, but enough: In 1785 Thomas Burton Sr and Jr are next to each other, #10 and 11 on the list) in that district called AAA, and Walt Nunnery [sic] is #56. In 1785 the only Daniels listed, in various other districts, are Thomas, Edward (actually it's Edmond), and Benjamin. In 1786 Thomas Burton Sr is in AAA #7 and Wm Daniel is #5, no Nunn----. In 1787 Wm Daniel is #5, Thomas Burton is #6 and #7, and Walter Numlee [sic] is #44. Looks better that this is the right group of folks in the right place. If your Hatcher person needs Hatcher extractions let me know the front name and I'll get them (in the next couple weeks). Later, Pam in CA Robert Daniell wrote: > Hi, All. > > A HATCHER researcher asked me to post this to the list to try to > discover who this William DANIEL may be. Anyone know? > > "4-19-1788 William HATCHER witnesses Deed. Wilkes County, Ga. Deed Book > FF page 70 William Womack NUNNELEE and wife Ann, to Thomas BURTON, all > of Wilkes County, Ga.for 5 Pounds , both sides of Mc Gary's Creek 250 > acres, adj. N.E. by Walter NUNNELEE, N.W. by William DANIEL S.W. by > Walker RICHARDSON, bought from William MOSS, to be equally divided > between Thomas BURTON & Elizabeth NUNELEE signed Wm. Womack NUNNELEE, > Ann(X) her mark- Wit. William HATCHER, A. COLSON, James TAIT J.P. Regd > 7-16-1789." > > Thanks for any assistance we may be able to give him. If you'd like to > contact this researcher, just let me know. > > Robert

Does anyone happen to know for certain who some of the male Daniel descendants are from the Brunswick county, Virginia Daniels? That may be willing to have their DNA tested so they can either start a base line for this Daniel branch of family or possbily match a line that could confirm or squash all reasonable doubt? If any? This would certainly help narrow down a lot of speculation? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

Thank you so much for this information, one thing that caught my eye was Brazwell Daniel, A fellow researcher that has worked on the Daniel line thinks that this line may connect to the Frederick county, VA. Daniel's through the Brazwell, Brauzell also spelled many other different ways. It seems this family of Brazwell was always around the Daniels in Frederick? Early Frederick and surrounding counties. Marleen Van Horne <[email protected]> wrote: Vicki, I am making an educated guess, but many of the folks mentioned in your message are probably colatteral relations to my Dew, Thomas and Barnes ancestors from Edgecombe County, North Carolina. The book, The Descendats of Thomas Dew, by Ernestine White May answer manyy of your questions. On page 182, it says: Elizabeth Farmer, daughter of Arthur Dew Sr., was married to Benjamin Farmer, who was a Revolutionary War soldier and is honored by a granite marker in Wilson, North Carolina. He made his will March 16, 1825, and it was probated in February Court, 1827 1. Elizabeth Farmer, wife 2. William Farmer, son 3. Braswell Farmer, son 4. Absalom Farmer, son 5. Dew Farmer, son 6. Jacob Farmer, son 7. Arthur Dew Farmer, son 8. William Dew Farmer, son 9. Sarah Hollowell, daughter 10. Odedience White, daughter 11. Nancy Dew, daughter (She married Jonathan Dew.) 12. Elizabeth Amason, daughter 13. A daughter who married John Barnes, deceased. This list covers many of the names in the Thomas Daniel estate. Perhaps Sally Farmer was a sister of Benjamin Farmer. This book is available on CD from abebooks.com, but unless you have a great interest in the Dews, there are only a couple of pages on the Farmers, and there is no Thomas Daniel in the index, but it looks as if the above family were mentioned in the estate. Marleen Van Horne ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GNR.2ACIB/1632.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dana, i will be happy to let you know if i run across any information about another josiah, i can't imagine that the line doesn't cross somewhere down the line, happy to help with anything i can. katherine

That William of the will of 1786 was. William Daniel of St. Andrews Parish. He is one of the Waqua Creek Daniel brothers. His father is not known but his brothers were: Joseph and Thomas. visit virginians.com for some info on these folks. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Payne Daniel" <[email protected]> To: <> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > Roger Daniell with two "lls" came from England but he settled in Warwick > County, Va., not Isle of Wight, unless you have another Roger in mind? > Roger Daniell had a son William born in 1632 who married a Sarah. I am not > aware of a NC Roger Daniel early on so perhaps you can clarify this for me > with some dates. I do believe that Roger Daniell may have spent some time > in York in 1745 before he moved down the road to Isle of Wight. > > Always eager to learn something new. Payne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel, Doyle A." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:01 AM > Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > > >> There are many William's. The first Daniel immigrant (Roger) came to >> American ca. 1626 from England. He settled in N.C. but later moved to >> Va. (Isle of Wight). >> From there the migration started. Some stayed in Va. some went to N.C. >> and some to Tenn. As land opened up the family followed. >> William is the ancestor of Roger Daniel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Daniell [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. >> >> Thanks, John. >> >> R >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John R. Clarke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. >> >> >>> Who was this William DANIEL? >>> My bet is he would have been out of the Cunningham-Daniel clan of that >> >>> area of GA. >> You could be correct about your William. My gggrandfather is Ezekiel >> (b. 1788) who also came to Wilkes co. He served in the war of 1812 and >> drew land in the first lottery and that land was in Wilkes co. >> Be careful connecting as there were many family members in S.C. and Ga. >> At that time. Let me know if you find any jury records, tax records or >> misc. >> The colonial period is a tough time to verify linage unless you can find >> a will or probate listing children. Good Luck >>> >>> John R. Clarke >>> 229-228-1961 >>> 2417 N. Patterson St:Thomasville, GA 31792 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robert Daniell" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:09 PM >>> Subject: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. >>> >>> >>>> Hi, All. >>>> >>>> A HATCHER researcher asked me to post this to the list to try to >> discover >>>> who this William DANIEL may be. Anyone know? >>>> >>>> "4-19-1788 William HATCHER witnesses Deed. Wilkes County, Ga. Deed >> Book >>>> FF page 70 William Womack NUNNELEE and wife Ann, to Thomas BURTON, >> all of >>>> Wilkes County, Ga.for 5 Pounds , both sides of Mc Gary's Creek 250 >> acres, >>>> adj. N.E. by Walter NUNNELEE, N.W. by William DANIEL S.W. by Walker >>>> RICHARDSON, bought from William MOSS, to be equally divided between >>>> Thomas BURTON & Elizabeth NUNELEE signed Wm. Womack NUNNELEE, Ann(X) >> her >>>> mark- Wit. William HATCHER, A. COLSON, James TAIT J.P. Regd >> 7-16-1789." >>>> >>>> Thanks for any assistance we may be able to give him. If you'd like >> to >>>> contact this researcher, just let me know. >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>>> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >> >>>> change your subscription method or email address or you have a >> suggestion >>>> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free >> to >>>> contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >>> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral >> families >>> or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- >> are >>> not allowed on this list. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral >> families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical >> research -- are not allowed on this list. >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to >> change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion >> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to >> contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >

Hello, Pam. On the HATCHERs behalf, thank you. I will pass this on. The "tiny connection" may be the key they need. Let's hope so. I appreciate your time and effort to help them, and maybe someone else who reads this. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > Hi, Robert, > > I'm going to _weakly_ suggest it could the William Daniel who eventually > is cut into Elbert Co, based only on finding a tiny mention of a couple of > the other names in your deed there. However, I don't know more on who this > particular William Daniel is and can get way off in the ozone trying to > i.d. him further. > > Here's the tiny connection: > LDS film #209574 GA Elbert Miscellaneous probate records, 1791-1808 > > Book B-130, a huge estate starts on p.123. estate of Daniel Garvin. > notes due: JOHN DANIEL $8.00 > appraisal taken 23 March 1804 [sic, but this is a typescript], dated 23 > Mar 1803 [sic, but this is a typescript], reg 24 Jun 1805, appraisers: > Thomas Jones, THOMAS BURTON, WAT NUNELER [sic]. > > You can see I'm just making a possible leap to Elbert because the > Nunnelee, Burton, and then this next is a William Daniel in Elbert around > the same time and remotely named with the John Daniel. However, there are > also Wilkes estate papers for a William Daniel in 1791 (Bk DD-72, I don't > have) and a William Daniel in 1800. I put more on the Nathan Childs and > the Rutherford NC connection, to see if it leads back to anything that > others can help with. > > Book B-157 > appraisal of estate of Nathan Childs, 5 Nov 1804, reg 1 Jul 1805, one bond > on WILLIAM DANIEL, out of date, $000.00 > Book C-8 > sale estate Nathan Childs 4 Oct 1805 [there are other lists for different > dates]: JOHN DANIEL, one cow and calf $12.18 3/4 > Book C-102 1805 est Nathan Childs, acct of Littleton Johnson lists: > September, "to my expenses going to Rutherford County NC in order to > collect an old debt due the estate of N. Childs, deceased by David Webb > of 26/14 North Currency [sic], which money can not be collected by the > insolvency of said Webb". $15.37 1/2 > 14 Jan 1806, to cash paid AMS. DONNELL, as per receipt $0.70 > > Back to the tax records: I can't locate McGary Creek, it would help to > have that. None of the other names in the deed appear still attached with > a Daniel in the Wilkes Tax Lists of 1785-1805, i.e. as original grantee or > a neighbor, etc. No doubt they appear independently, but I only took > entries with a Daniel mention [from Wilkes County GA Tax Records > 1785-1805, v.1-2 by Frank Parker Hudson 1996]. But there is a Hatcher > named in this next, encouraging. > > In 1786 the William Daniel who is in the district eventually cut into > Elbert has 1495 acres in Wilkes and 9 slaves and 250 acres in Franklin; in > 1787 he has 1700 acres and 9 slaves. He is in the district labeled AAA by > the author, defined as: > AAA=Located in fork of Broad and Savannah River. Until part of BBB was > taken in 1786, AAA stretched to the north along Coldwater Creek. Included > town of Petersburg. Dec 1790 - entire district put into Elbert. The rank > and arrangement for Elbert in Jun 1791 named CAPT HATCHER as commander of > this the 1st District of Elbert described: "Beginning at the mouth of > Broad River, thence to Bertram's Creek, thence up said creek to Allen's > Road, thence along said road to Beaverdam [author inserts (Creek)], thence > down the Beaverdam to Savannah River, thence to the beginning." 1790 - > encompassed all of 192nd plus eastern edge of 190th in Elbert today. > > In 1790 William Daniel is named in District CCC with only 630 acres and 8 > slaves. This district was cut from BBB which was cut from AAA, all > eventually Elbert. CCC is defined as: > CCC = First appears 1787. Residents had previously made returns in BBB. > William Allen, the only person in this district returning stock in trade > in 1790, is found as Capt of 12th Co of Elbert Co Militia Jun 1791, when > boundaries were described as: "Beginning at the mouth of Coldwater Ck, > running down the Savannah River to the corner of District No. 1 [author > inserts (AAA)] at the mouth of Beaverdam, up the said Beaverdam to > Cunningham's Road, thence along said road to Coldwater Creek, thence down > said creek to the beginning." Area appears to be the now 195th and 196th > of Elbert encompassing the community of Ruckersville. > > I don't have any good handle on all the different Daniel families in this > area so I can't i.d. this William of Elbert much more, if he's even the > correct one! I have a note that a William Daniel of Elbert sells 287.5a in > Franklin on Tugalo Rv, Eastonalla Ck, granted to him, signed by Wm and > Anne Daniel, written 22 Jul 1795, recd 16 Oct 1797. Then I get confused > about how much and when to let the Wilkes and Washington records > cross-over: a William Daniell was granted 287.5a as Citizen Bounty on 3 > Oct 1785 (from Washington Co, GA Land Warrants, 1784-1787 by Mary > Bondurant Warren and Jack Moreland Jones). If the William Daniel your > correspondent is searching turns out to be in early Washington, it's a > whole new ball game as far as identifying him. > > And I posted some other stuff from Elbert a while back, here's the parts > that include a William Daniel, again from that Elbert probate film above, > Diane is the pro on these guys: > > "The Old Book B" > BK B p.1-3, 11 Dec 1795 sales acct est John Rogers Esq. decd. buyers: > lots of Rogers throughout: James, Thomas, Nancy, Thomas, Benj, Mary; also > Solomon Strickland, Wm. Chapman, Thos Brown, Randolph Holbrooks, John H. > Johnston, Andrew Hemphill, Stephen Groves, WM. DANIEL (one lot of cattle, > $26.00), Thomas Thomas, Wm. Carter, Jno Coil, David McCleskey, Francis > Guttery, Henry Strickland, William Stroder, Henry Myers, John Johnson, > William Davis, Stephen Stephens, Lewis Green, David Vineyard, Wm Carter, > WM DANIEL (one gun $6.25), Negro Ben (one saddle $2.00), Stephen Young, > ALLAN DANIEL (one lot of pewter $2.75), Thomas Barrow, James Ware, Samuel > Nelson, David Robertson, John McDoniel, William Kellet, Thos Barron/Barren > [I didn't put repeats of names, several of these are]. returned by James > Rogers admr. recd 27 Jul 1796. > [There are other cites for John Daniel in these probate records in 1795 > and then in 1800s, don't know if he's related or a distinct line. He's in > the same place at the same time, in some of the same or related records as > William, but no direct transactions between the two that I have found.] > > Good luck to your correspondent, > Pam in CA > > > Robert Daniell wrote: >> Hi, All. >> >> A HATCHER researcher asked me to post this to the list to try to discover >> who this William DANIEL may be. Anyone know? >> >> "4-19-1788 William HATCHER witnesses Deed. Wilkes County, Ga. Deed Book >> FF page 70 William Womack NUNNELEE and wife Ann, to Thomas BURTON, all of >> Wilkes County, Ga.for 5 Pounds , both sides of Mc Gary's Creek 250 acres, >> adj. N.E. by Walter NUNNELEE, N.W. by William DANIEL S.W. by Walker >> RICHARDSON, bought from William MOSS, to be equally divided between >> Thomas BURTON & Elizabeth NUNELEE signed Wm. Womack NUNNELEE, Ann(X) her >> mark- Wit. William HATCHER, A. COLSON, James TAIT J.P. Regd 7-16-1789." >> >> Thanks for any assistance we may be able to give him. If you'd like to >> contact this researcher, just let me know. >> >> Robert > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families > or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are > not allowed on this list. > > >

Anne, When you have time contact me at [email protected] to discuss the Grays. Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hart To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Connection between DANIEL/GRAY/SWANNER FAMILIES from NC/TN/MO I have the SWANNER/DANIEL line and yes, I did see the postage. I have Mathias Tobias Swanner's will and a book on his descendants. I just can't find anything on the parents or siblings of Cynthia Ann Daniel (b. 1810 TN d. bet. 1855-1860 MO) who married James Swanner (b. 1790 Martin Co., NC d. Scott Co., MO 1842). Cynthia and James married in Marshall County, TN 5 Mar 1838. They had a son, Marshall Green Swanner (b. 1834 according to census in NC and d. Pemiscott County, MO in 1899) James Swanner's son, Enoch Gray Swanner, is my great great grandfather and I am trying to verify which of James Swanner's wives was his mother. James was 1st mar. to Anna Cherry in NC 1815/1816 in Beaufort County. My middle name is Grey as was my grandfathers. I am trying to find the connection among the DANIEL/SWANNER/GRAY families. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO needs parents Who has the SWANNER/DANIEL line? Did this person see the posting earlier today of these two names? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO needs parents > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Daniel/Daniels/ McDaniel/ Swanner > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1632.1.2.3.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Dana, > > Thanks! If I uncover any Daniel secrets, I will post here also. > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the subject of a reply message. ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe Click on the following link and your message is ready to send Mail Mode: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe or- Digest Mode: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe

Here are the children of Jean Lanier and Tobias Swanner so I need to see the will to verify this posting. Payne Children: 1. William Lanier Swanner Birth: 1732, Tyrell, North Carolina Death: JUN 1777 2. No details available 3. Samuel Swanner Birth: ? Death: 06 NOV 1759, Tyrell, North Carolina 4. Mary Swanner Birth: 1729, North Carolina 5. George Mathias Swanner Birth: 1731, North Carolina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > Audrey, > The book shows that Jean Lanier b. 1696 Surry Co., VA, daughter of Robert > Lanier and Sarah Barker, married an unknown. No, unfortunately, the > Swanner/Schwanner name is not listed in the book. I wish it was because > it > would be a move toward more verification for these two families. > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > Anne, Are the SCHWANNER/SWANNER families in that DANIEL book? Thanks, > Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:23 PM > Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > >>I have a book on the descendants of Robert Lanier Vol.2 compiled by Wayne >> Lanier copyright date of 2002. There are some DANIEL descendants listed >> in >> this list. >> >> Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER >> >> I ran across these records today and was wondering if the person who has >> SWANNER has the Robert Lanier DANIEL line...? Audrey >> >> Source: Early Records of North Carolina, Volume VI: 1737-1749 by Dr. >> Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. >> >> >> >> "Mathias Tobias SCHWANNER 21 Sep 1743 O March Ct 1744 (before Thomas >> LEE) >> >> Of Tyrrell County. Son John - 100 acres on westward side of Tuk Creek. >> Son >> Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - 100 acres. Son William - 100 Acres; also other >> land. >> Grandson William BRYAN son of Darby BRYAN & his wife Sarah - 50 acres >> joining Reedy Branch, Panther Swamp. Sons John & *Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - >> Negro man Isaac, boy Frank. Son William (SCHWANNER) - Negro woman >> Hannah. >> Son Mathias (SCHWANNER) - Negro man Tom, girl Nansy. Daughter Sarah >> BRYANT >> (sic) - 20 L. Daughter Mary SWANNER (sic) - pewter dish. Wife Jane - >> all >> my sheep. Other legacies. Ex: John SWANNER (sic), Lamuel SWANNER, wife >> during her widowhood. Wit: William BARRETT**, Robert LANIER, *Robert >> Lanier DANIEL." >> >> *Note: It appears that Lamuel and Samuel are the same person. See >> record >> below. **Could this be BARTLETT? >> >> (Audrey) >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell County, NC Wills 1729-1811 >> >> >> >> "Samuel SWANER (sic) (OR) >> >> A nuncupative will. 6 Nov 1759 he died. He designated Darbe BRYAN to >> take >> his child, his Negro boy, & all else. Witnessed by Obediah BRYAN. John >> Hardison, J.P. Probated Sep Ct 1760." >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell Co, NC Estate Records, 1734-1800 >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Lemuel (Samuel) >> >> 30 Dec 1767. Bond for John HARDISON to be guardian ro Richeson SWANNER, >> orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: Samuel HOLLIDAY, James LEGGETT." >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Mathias Tobias >> >> 4 June 1746. Bond for Darby BRYAN to be guardian to Samuel SWANNER, >> orphan >> of the dec'd. Bondsmen: William (x) HASSELL, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 14 June 1746. Bond for Robert DANIEL to be guardian to William SWANNER >> (later called William LINIER (LANIER), orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: >> John >> HARDISON, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 3 Sep 1746. Bond for William LANIER of Beaufort Co. to be guardian to >> George Mathias SWANNER, orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: John LANIER, >> Robert >> Lanier DANIEL (both of Tyrrell Co.)." >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families >> or >> those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not >> allowed on this list. >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >> the subject of a reply message. >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Marmaduke Daniel, the notorious Mississippi Freebooter, was not part Indian. He married Nanny Still who was perhaps 1/2 Native American "Cherokee" and settled in the Cherokee Nation East in NC. He was not involved in any massacres as far as the available records show. We have not absolutely identified the parentage of this Marmaduke who is one of several confusing Marmadukes? Thanks for the suggestion Doyle this is a worthwhile study. http://paynedaniel.com Daniel Cherokees including Marmaduke and Nanny. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel, Doyle A." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: Daniel in Nansemond (Joseph, 1714) AND EARLIER > There is a Daniel member who is part Indian from that area. Check out > Marmaduke Daniel. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne O'Brien [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Daniel in Nansemond (Joseph, 1714) AND EARLIER > > OK, folks, I've found the two big-time Indian Massacres there (not from > the same source I originally found, but good enough) Good old Google, > twenty clicks and 6 hours of reading later. Still searching VA Archives > for original source which was way more descriptive. > > There were other raids and massacres from the get-go, but the first > MAJOR > hostile Indian raid and massacre was in 1622 in Jamestown - over 400 > people were killed. > > The second MAJOR hostile Indian raid was in 1644 during the first ten > year (1640-1650) tenure of Lord William Berkeley, Governor. It was > sudden > and swift, and hundreds were killed, a number of them gathered at > Berkeley's plantation for a meeting, and which would have been the one > during which the (Nansemond) DANIEL plantation owner and his young son > were killed. Hundreds, up and down the river, were killed. > > Whether this DANIEL was a Huguenot is debatable, since records show the > first Huguenots coming into VA about 1675, too late for this massacred > DANIEL planter's arrival. The main groups of them came into the > Manakintown/Nansemond area after 1700 (mine came in 1703), and that the > name DANIEL is listed among them could have been that his descendant(s) > were already established there and were neighbors (or married a Huguenot > woman). OR -- is this our elusive Christopher??? > > Don't know - can't guess - but there was definitely a DANIEL there in > 1644. > > Anne > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

Roger Daniell with two "lls" came from England but he settled in Warwick County, Va., not Isle of Wight, unless you have another Roger in mind? Roger Daniell had a son William born in 1632 who married a Sarah. I am not aware of a NC Roger Daniel early on so perhaps you can clarify this for me with some dates. I do believe that Roger Daniell may have spent some time in York in 1745 before he moved down the road to Isle of Wight. Always eager to learn something new. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel, Doyle A." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > There are many William's. The first Daniel immigrant (Roger) came to > American ca. 1626 from England. He settled in N.C. but later moved to > Va. (Isle of Wight). > From there the migration started. Some stayed in Va. some went to N.C. > and some to Tenn. As land opened up the family followed. > William is the ancestor of Roger Daniel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Daniell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > > Thanks, John. > > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. > > >> Who was this William DANIEL? >> My bet is he would have been out of the Cunningham-Daniel clan of that > >> area of GA. > You could be correct about your William. My gggrandfather is Ezekiel > (b. 1788) who also came to Wilkes co. He served in the war of 1812 and > drew land in the first lottery and that land was in Wilkes co. > Be careful connecting as there were many family members in S.C. and Ga. > At that time. Let me know if you find any jury records, tax records or > misc. > The colonial period is a tough time to verify linage unless you can find > a will or probate listing children. Good Luck >> >> John R. Clarke >> 229-228-1961 >> 2417 N. Patterson St:Thomasville, GA 31792 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Daniell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:09 PM >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] William DANIEL, 1788, Wilkes County, Ga. >> >> >>> Hi, All. >>> >>> A HATCHER researcher asked me to post this to the list to try to > discover >>> who this William DANIEL may be. Anyone know? >>> >>> "4-19-1788 William HATCHER witnesses Deed. Wilkes County, Ga. Deed > Book >>> FF page 70 William Womack NUNNELEE and wife Ann, to Thomas BURTON, > all of >>> Wilkes County, Ga.for 5 Pounds , both sides of Mc Gary's Creek 250 > acres, >>> adj. N.E. by Walter NUNNELEE, N.W. by William DANIEL S.W. by Walker >>> RICHARDSON, bought from William MOSS, to be equally divided between >>> Thomas BURTON & Elizabeth NUNELEE signed Wm. Womack NUNNELEE, Ann(X) > her >>> mark- Wit. William HATCHER, A. COLSON, James TAIT J.P. Regd > 7-16-1789." >>> >>> Thanks for any assistance we may be able to give him. If you'd like > to >>> contact this researcher, just let me know. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >>> If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > >>> change your subscription method or email address or you have a > suggestion >>> you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free > to >>> contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > families >> or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- > are >> not allowed on this list. >> >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of > messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral > families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical > research -- are not allowed on this list. > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >

OK, send me a copy of the will for Tobias the husband of Jane Lanier. There are some minor inaccuracies in Wayne Lanier's work but I believe he acknowledges that and shows opposing views. Wayne and I go way back. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hart" <> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:34 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Connection between DANIEL/GRAY/SWANNER FAMILIES from NC/TN/MO >I have the SWANNER/DANIEL line and yes, I did see the postage. I have > Mathias Tobias Swanner's will and a book on his descendants. I just can't > find anything on the parents or siblings of Cynthia Ann Daniel (b. 1810 TN > d. bet. 1855-1860 MO) who married James Swanner (b. 1790 Martin Co., NC d. > Scott Co., MO 1842). Cynthia and James married in Marshall County, TN 5 > Mar > 1838. They had a son, Marshall Green Swanner (b. 1834 according to census > in NC and d. Pemiscott County, MO in 1899) James Swanner's son, Enoch > Gray > Swanner, is my great great grandfather and I am trying to verify which of > James Swanner's wives was his mother. James was 1st mar. to Anna Cherry > in > NC 1815/1816 in Beaufort County. My middle name is Grey as was my > grandfathers. I am trying to find the connection among the > DANIEL/SWANNER/GRAY families. > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO > needs parents > > Who has the SWANNER/DANIEL line? Did this person see the posting earlier > today of these two names? Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:14 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO needs > parents > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Daniel/Daniels/ McDaniel/ Swanner >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1632.1.2.3.1.1 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Dana, >> >> Thanks! If I uncover any Daniel secrets, I will post here also. >> >> Anne >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives >> at: >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the > subject of a reply message. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >

Anne, I have no idea whether there are DANIEL books or not, thought you meant DANIEL, not LANIER. I've had a LANIER genealogy for many years because of another family connection of Southside VA. They were very prolific. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > Audrey, > The book that I have is a LANIER FAMILY BOOK. Are there any DANIEL BOOKS > available? > > Anne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > Anne, Are the SCHWANNER/SWANNER families in that DANIEL book? Thanks, > Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:23 PM > Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > >>I have a book on the descendants of Robert Lanier Vol.2 compiled by Wayne >> Lanier copyright date of 2002. There are some DANIEL descendants listed >> in >> this list. >> >> Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER >> >> I ran across these records today and was wondering if the person who has >> SWANNER has the Robert Lanier DANIEL line...? Audrey >> >> Source: Early Records of North Carolina, Volume VI: 1737-1749 by Dr. >> Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. >> >> >> >> "Mathias Tobias SCHWANNER 21 Sep 1743 O March Ct 1744 (before Thomas >> LEE) >> >> Of Tyrrell County. Son John - 100 acres on westward side of Tuk Creek. >> Son >> Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - 100 acres. Son William - 100 Acres; also other >> land. >> Grandson William BRYAN son of Darby BRYAN & his wife Sarah - 50 acres >> joining Reedy Branch, Panther Swamp. Sons John & *Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - >> Negro man Isaac, boy Frank. Son William (SCHWANNER) - Negro woman >> Hannah. >> Son Mathias (SCHWANNER) - Negro man Tom, girl Nansy. Daughter Sarah >> BRYANT >> (sic) - 20 L. Daughter Mary SWANNER (sic) - pewter dish. Wife Jane - >> all >> my sheep. Other legacies. Ex: John SWANNER (sic), Lamuel SWANNER, wife >> during her widowhood. Wit: William BARRETT**, Robert LANIER, *Robert >> Lanier DANIEL." >> >> *Note: It appears that Lamuel and Samuel are the same person. See >> record >> below. **Could this be BARTLETT? >> >> (Audrey) >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell County, NC Wills 1729-1811 >> >> >> >> "Samuel SWANER (sic) (OR) >> >> A nuncupative will. 6 Nov 1759 he died. He designated Darbe BRYAN to >> take >> his child, his Negro boy, & all else. Witnessed by Obediah BRYAN. John >> Hardison, J.P. Probated Sep Ct 1760." >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell Co, NC Estate Records, 1734-1800 >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Lemuel (Samuel) >> >> 30 Dec 1767. Bond for John HARDISON to be guardian ro Richeson SWANNER, >> orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: Samuel HOLLIDAY, James LEGGETT." >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Mathias Tobias >> >> 4 June 1746. Bond for Darby BRYAN to be guardian to Samuel SWANNER, >> orphan >> of the dec'd. Bondsmen: William (x) HASSELL, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 14 June 1746. Bond for Robert DANIEL to be guardian to William SWANNER >> (later called William LINIER (LANIER), orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: >> John >> HARDISON, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 3 Sep 1746. Bond for William LANIER of Beaufort Co. to be guardian to >> George Mathias SWANNER, orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: John LANIER, >> Robert >> Lanier DANIEL (both of Tyrrell Co.)." >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families >> or >> those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not >> allowed on this list. >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >> the subject of a reply message. >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL > >

Anne, In those SCHWANNER/SWANNER records, I found it interesting that one person changed his name. Did you see that? When someone decides to change a name from the birth name, that sure makes it difficult to put a lineage together. To realize that Robert (Lanier?) DANIEL was made guardian...well, it seems likely your line should connect to this DANIEL line...but then, I am late in working on these families. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:50 AM Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > Audrey, > The book shows that Jean Lanier b. 1696 Surry Co., VA, daughter of Robert > Lanier and Sarah Barker, married an unknown. No, unfortunately, the > Swanner/Schwanner name is not listed in the book. I wish it was because > it > would be a move toward more verification for these two families. > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > Anne, Are the SCHWANNER/SWANNER families in that DANIEL book? Thanks, > Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:23 PM > Subject: RE: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER > > >>I have a book on the descendants of Robert Lanier Vol.2 compiled by Wayne >> Lanier copyright date of 2002. There are some DANIEL descendants listed >> in >> this list. >> >> Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: DANIEL & SCHWANNER/SWANNER >> >> I ran across these records today and was wondering if the person who has >> SWANNER has the Robert Lanier DANIEL line...? Audrey >> >> Source: Early Records of North Carolina, Volume VI: 1737-1749 by Dr. >> Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. >> >> >> >> "Mathias Tobias SCHWANNER 21 Sep 1743 O March Ct 1744 (before Thomas >> LEE) >> >> Of Tyrrell County. Son John - 100 acres on westward side of Tuk Creek. >> Son >> Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - 100 acres. Son William - 100 Acres; also other >> land. >> Grandson William BRYAN son of Darby BRYAN & his wife Sarah - 50 acres >> joining Reedy Branch, Panther Swamp. Sons John & *Lamuel (SCHWANNER) - >> Negro man Isaac, boy Frank. Son William (SCHWANNER) - Negro woman >> Hannah. >> Son Mathias (SCHWANNER) - Negro man Tom, girl Nansy. Daughter Sarah >> BRYANT >> (sic) - 20 L. Daughter Mary SWANNER (sic) - pewter dish. Wife Jane - >> all >> my sheep. Other legacies. Ex: John SWANNER (sic), Lamuel SWANNER, wife >> during her widowhood. Wit: William BARRETT**, Robert LANIER, *Robert >> Lanier DANIEL." >> >> *Note: It appears that Lamuel and Samuel are the same person. See >> record >> below. **Could this be BARTLETT? >> >> (Audrey) >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell County, NC Wills 1729-1811 >> >> >> >> "Samuel SWANER (sic) (OR) >> >> A nuncupative will. 6 Nov 1759 he died. He designated Darbe BRYAN to >> take >> his child, his Negro boy, & all else. Witnessed by Obediah BRYAN. John >> Hardison, J.P. Probated Sep Ct 1760." >> >> >> >> Source: Tyrrell Co, NC Estate Records, 1734-1800 >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Lemuel (Samuel) >> >> 30 Dec 1767. Bond for John HARDISON to be guardian ro Richeson SWANNER, >> orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: Samuel HOLLIDAY, James LEGGETT." >> >> >> >> "SWANNER, Mathias Tobias >> >> 4 June 1746. Bond for Darby BRYAN to be guardian to Samuel SWANNER, >> orphan >> of the dec'd. Bondsmen: William (x) HASSELL, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 14 June 1746. Bond for Robert DANIEL to be guardian to William SWANNER >> (later called William LINIER (LANIER), orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: >> John >> HARDISON, William KENNEDY." >> >> >> >> 3 Sep 1746. Bond for William LANIER of Beaufort Co. to be guardian to >> George Mathias SWANNER, orphan of the dec'd. Bondsmen: John LANIER, >> Robert >> Lanier DANIEL (both of Tyrrell Co.)." >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of >> messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families >> or >> those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not >> allowed on this list. >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change >> the subject of a reply message. >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? 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Hi, Robert, I'm going to _weakly_ suggest it could the William Daniel who eventually is cut into Elbert Co, based only on finding a tiny mention of a couple of the other names in your deed there. However, I don't know more on who this particular William Daniel is and can get way off in the ozone trying to i.d. him further. Here's the tiny connection: LDS film #209574 GA Elbert Miscellaneous probate records, 1791-1808 Book B-130, a huge estate starts on p.123. estate of Daniel Garvin. notes due: JOHN DANIEL $8.00 appraisal taken 23 March 1804 [sic, but this is a typescript], dated 23 Mar 1803 [sic, but this is a typescript], reg 24 Jun 1805, appraisers: Thomas Jones, THOMAS BURTON, WAT NUNELER [sic]. You can see I'm just making a possible leap to Elbert because the Nunnelee, Burton, and then this next is a William Daniel in Elbert around the same time and remotely named with the John Daniel. However, there are also Wilkes estate papers for a William Daniel in 1791 (Bk DD-72, I don't have) and a William Daniel in 1800. I put more on the Nathan Childs and the Rutherford NC connection, to see if it leads back to anything that others can help with. Book B-157 appraisal of estate of Nathan Childs, 5 Nov 1804, reg 1 Jul 1805, one bond on WILLIAM DANIEL, out of date, $000.00 Book C-8 sale estate Nathan Childs 4 Oct 1805 [there are other lists for different dates]: JOHN DANIEL, one cow and calf $12.18 3/4 Book C-102 1805 est Nathan Childs, acct of Littleton Johnson lists: September, "to my expenses going to Rutherford County NC in order to collect an old debt due the estate of N. Childs, deceased by David Webb of 26/14 North Currency [sic], which money can not be collected by the insolvency of said Webb". $15.37 1/2 14 Jan 1806, to cash paid AMS. DONNELL, as per receipt $0.70 Back to the tax records: I can't locate McGary Creek, it would help to have that. None of the other names in the deed appear still attached with a Daniel in the Wilkes Tax Lists of 1785-1805, i.e. as original grantee or a neighbor, etc. No doubt they appear independently, but I only took entries with a Daniel mention [from Wilkes County GA Tax Records 1785-1805, v.1-2 by Frank Parker Hudson 1996]. But there is a Hatcher named in this next, encouraging. In 1786 the William Daniel who is in the district eventually cut into Elbert has 1495 acres in Wilkes and 9 slaves and 250 acres in Franklin; in 1787 he has 1700 acres and 9 slaves. He is in the district labeled AAA by the author, defined as: AAA=Located in fork of Broad and Savannah River. Until part of BBB was taken in 1786, AAA stretched to the north along Coldwater Creek. Included town of Petersburg. Dec 1790 - entire district put into Elbert. The rank and arrangement for Elbert in Jun 1791 named CAPT HATCHER as commander of this the 1st District of Elbert described: "Beginning at the mouth of Broad River, thence to Bertram's Creek, thence up said creek to Allen's Road, thence along said road to Beaverdam [author inserts (Creek)], thence down the Beaverdam to Savannah River, thence to the beginning." 1790 - encompassed all of 192nd plus eastern edge of 190th in Elbert today. In 1790 William Daniel is named in District CCC with only 630 acres and 8 slaves. This district was cut from BBB which was cut from AAA, all eventually Elbert. CCC is defined as: CCC = First appears 1787. Residents had previously made returns in BBB. William Allen, the only person in this district returning stock in trade in 1790, is found as Capt of 12th Co of Elbert Co Militia Jun 1791, when boundaries were described as: "Beginning at the mouth of Coldwater Ck, running down the Savannah River to the corner of District No. 1 [author inserts (AAA)] at the mouth of Beaverdam, up the said Beaverdam to Cunningham's Road, thence along said road to Coldwater Creek, thence down said creek to the beginning." Area appears to be the now 195th and 196th of Elbert encompassing the community of Ruckersville. I don't have any good handle on all the different Daniel families in this area so I can't i.d. this William of Elbert much more, if he's even the correct one! I have a note that a William Daniel of Elbert sells 287.5a in Franklin on Tugalo Rv, Eastonalla Ck, granted to him, signed by Wm and Anne Daniel, written 22 Jul 1795, recd 16 Oct 1797. Then I get confused about how much and when to let the Wilkes and Washington records cross-over: a William Daniell was granted 287.5a as Citizen Bounty on 3 Oct 1785 (from Washington Co, GA Land Warrants, 1784-1787 by Mary Bondurant Warren and Jack Moreland Jones). If the William Daniel your correspondent is searching turns out to be in early Washington, it's a whole new ball game as far as identifying him. And I posted some other stuff from Elbert a while back, here's the parts that include a William Daniel, again from that Elbert probate film above, Diane is the pro on these guys: "The Old Book B" BK B p.1-3, 11 Dec 1795 sales acct est John Rogers Esq. decd. buyers: lots of Rogers throughout: James, Thomas, Nancy, Thomas, Benj, Mary; also Solomon Strickland, Wm. Chapman, Thos Brown, Randolph Holbrooks, John H. Johnston, Andrew Hemphill, Stephen Groves, WM. DANIEL (one lot of cattle, $26.00), Thomas Thomas, Wm. Carter, Jno Coil, David McCleskey, Francis Guttery, Henry Strickland, William Stroder, Henry Myers, John Johnson, William Davis, Stephen Stephens, Lewis Green, David Vineyard, Wm Carter, WM DANIEL (one gun $6.25), Negro Ben (one saddle $2.00), Stephen Young, ALLAN DANIEL (one lot of pewter $2.75), Thomas Barrow, James Ware, Samuel Nelson, David Robertson, John McDoniel, William Kellet, Thos Barron/Barren [I didn't put repeats of names, several of these are]. returned by James Rogers admr. recd 27 Jul 1796. [There are other cites for John Daniel in these probate records in 1795 and then in 1800s, don't know if he's related or a distinct line. He's in the same place at the same time, in some of the same or related records as William, but no direct transactions between the two that I have found.] Good luck to your correspondent, Pam in CA Robert Daniell wrote: > Hi, All. > > A HATCHER researcher asked me to post this to the list to try to > discover who this William DANIEL may be. Anyone know? > > "4-19-1788 William HATCHER witnesses Deed. Wilkes County, Ga. Deed Book > FF page 70 William Womack NUNNELEE and wife Ann, to Thomas BURTON, all > of Wilkes County, Ga.for 5 Pounds , both sides of Mc Gary's Creek 250 > acres, adj. N.E. by Walter NUNNELEE, N.W. by William DANIEL S.W. by > Walker RICHARDSON, bought from William MOSS, to be equally divided > between Thomas BURTON & Elizabeth NUNELEE signed Wm. Womack NUNNELEE, > Ann(X) her mark- Wit. William HATCHER, A. COLSON, James TAIT J.P. Regd > 7-16-1789." > > Thanks for any assistance we may be able to give him. If you'd like to > contact this researcher, just let me know. > > Robert

My great grandmother was Martha Elizabeth Swanner b. 1862 KY dau. Of Enoch Gray Swanner b. 28 Dec 1828 (according to several census he was born in TN) who was the son of James Swanner b.1790 Martin Co., NC. James married 2 times....1st to Anna Cherry in 1816 in Beaufort Co., NC and 2nd to Cynthia Ann Daniel 5 Mar 1838 Marshall Co., TN. I do not know which of these wives was the Mother of my great great grandfather, Enoch Gray Swanner. My grandfather, Edwin Grey Cope, was the son of Martha Elizabeth "Mattie" Swanner who married Rynard Justus Cope. My father was Edwin Glass Cope and my full name is Anne Grey Cope Hart. As you can see the GRAY/GREY name has been handed down through the years. I want to know where the Green and Gray names come from and which wife was my great great great grandmother. -----Original Message----- From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Connection between DANIEL/GRAY/SWANNER FAMILIES from NC/TN/MO Anne, I see GRAYS and GREENS where the DANIELS are in those two NC counties. Were you a DANIEL or SWANNER? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Connection between DANIEL/GRAY/SWANNER FAMILIES from NC/TN/MO >I have the SWANNER/DANIEL line and yes, I did see the postage. I have > Mathias Tobias Swanner's will and a book on his descendants. I just can't > find anything on the parents or siblings of Cynthia Ann Daniel (b. 1810 TN > d. bet. 1855-1860 MO) who married James Swanner (b. 1790 Martin Co., NC d. > Scott Co., MO 1842). Cynthia and James married in Marshall County, TN 5 > Mar > 1838. They had a son, Marshall Green Swanner (b. 1834 according to census > in NC and d. Pemiscott County, MO in 1899) James Swanner's son, Enoch > Gray > Swanner, is my great great grandfather and I am trying to verify which of > James Swanner's wives was his mother. James was 1st mar. to Anna Cherry > in > NC 1815/1816 in Beaufort County. My middle name is Grey as was my > grandfathers. I am trying to find the connection among the > DANIEL/SWANNER/GRAY families. > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Audrey Pool [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO > needs parents > > Who has the SWANNER/DANIEL line? Did this person see the posting earlier > today of these two names? Audrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:14 PM > Subject: [DANIEL-L] Re: Josiah Daniel b. abt 1784 NC > TN > IL > MO needs > parents > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Daniel/Daniels/ McDaniel/ Swanner >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1632.1.2.3.1.1 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Dana, >> >> Thanks! If I uncover any Daniel secrets, I will post here also. >> >> Anne >> >> >> ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== >> IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives >> at: >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >> >> > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the > subject of a reply message. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== DO NOT FORGET: This is a Genealogical Mailing List and the posting of messages that do not relate to the DANIEL Family, its collateral families or those of a historical nature relating to genealogical research -- are not allowed on this list.