This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1827 Message Board Post: I am looking for Mary DANIEL who married John NELSON about 1779...first child born 1780. Perhaps in the Virginia or Tennessee area. I believe Mary's father was William DANIEL. Thank you for any clues.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daniel, Daniels, Rhoades, Rhoads Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1826 Message Board Post: I would like information on this couple that married in Shelby County IL on 23 Nov 1832. Where did they go & did they have any children? Thanks for your help.

A list member has reminded me of a saying: As the old sailor once, or more, said, "If you are not making waves, then your boat isn't moving." I guess I made waves when I discovered that I had an introductory statement for William of Halifax mixed up with William of Brunswick. The "third eye" Pam opened my eyes to that miscue. In regard to the remarks about the birth of James of Nash, well spoken Pam; I agree, but I will leave him in that position as a reminder that we need to solve the parentage of Frederick. Anyone know of a William of Brunswick who may qualify as the father of Frederick of Brunswick/Nash/etc? I have been concerned at times about the assignment of William of Halifax to the Tyrrell County Thomas Daniel family. A William out of the Halifax Daniels is more likely to be a collateral family member of mine than a William out of Tyrrell. There are too many variables here for me to weigh into this possibility right now; but I will eventually. I am shutting down my mess for the month of May and may or may not resolve the issue before we head out. Another thing, did Simon Daniel II and Elizabeth Bentley produce the so called *William Daniel of Edgecombe Co., NC? Was he married to Sarah Wells or was the so called William of Halifax (1797) married to Sarah Wells? [*This William appears to be the William who married Sarah Wells the daughter of Thomas Wells whose Will was recorded in Edgecombe County August Court and who had a son named Francis Daniel. Edgecombe Co., NC, Will book (not identified):] There was a William of Edgecombe, right? Edgecombe Co., NC, Deed Book 8, Page 129: William Daniel of Edgecombe County, Elijah Daniel of Glasgow County, North Carolina and Simon Daniel, Thomas Bateman, Michael Ward and John Harper of Salem County, South Carolina, joint Bill of Sale to Jacob Barnes of Edgecombe County, North Carolina. 15 February 1793. I admit that sorting out the Williams as been very interesting and I may need to change a thing or two but I haven't had the resources to totally make the picture clear. Pam and Mike have been very valuable to me with that form of help. So the "Old Compiler" must adjust the "little gray cells" to further put these possibilities in order. Cheers, Payne PS Pam and Mike; fantastic ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > Hey, Mike, Payne, and all > > I spy a quick glitch on the Williams. > > The William of Brunswick VA whose estate was inventoried in 1792 is the > William of the 1786 will, wife Ann, chn George, John, Drury, James, > Ellick. In the will he lends Ann slaves Jacob, Sue, and Liddia. The 1792 > inventory includes slaves Jacob and Liddie. This William's land as > described in the will is on the Piney Branch, consisting of 150a on the > southwest side and 67a on the northeast. These lands are covered in: > > Brunsw DB8-248 Thomas Stone to William Daniel, both of Brunsw, wr 21 Sep > 1765, £10 current money of VA, 125a in Brunsw, bd Caleb Lindsey, part of a > patent granted to Thomas Stone date at Williamsburgh 20 Jun 1760. wit > James Moore Senr, James Moore Junr, James Elmoore, recd 24 Sep 1765. > > Brunsw DB8-378 "A List of Surveys made from Jun 1764 to Jun3 1765." > ...surveyed for William Daniel 92 acres, joining Stone & others. > [Part of the entry and warrant process. William Daniel received the patent > for 92a Brunswick county adj Lacy and Barrow on 10 Jul 1767, Patent Bk 36, > p. 1051.] > > [these add up to exactly what William bequeathed in 1786] > > It's the other William of Brunswick VA who is son of Peter, had wf Sarah, > who sold out and went to Halifax NC: > > Brunsw DB6-299 William Daniel & wf Sarah to Robert Short, all of St > Andrews Brunsw, wr 17 Oct 1758, £30 current money of VA, 68a in Brunsw so > side of Nottoway Rv, bd Howz's line, Peter Daniel. Wit Peter Daniel Senr, > John Avery, Peter Daniel Junr. recd 28 Nov 1758 > > Brunsw DB6-536 Robert (X) Short Sr of St Andrew Par in Brunswick co to > Caleb Vaughan of Bath Par in Dinwiddie co. 23 Jun 1760, 23 Jun 1760, £60, > 68a which was part of a 532a patent to Peter Daniel 20 Mar 1745, on > Crablouse Creek; the sd 68a having been given as a deed of gift by sd > Peter Daniel to his son William Daniel who sold it to sd Robert Short. wit > Robert Campbell, Thos Stone, Thos Jackson. Wf of sd Robert Short [no name > given] relinq right of dower. > > I see on your site where Tom Valentine speaks differently on the above > records and relationship of Peter and William, but that's the reading I > got from the original deeds, a third pair of eyes needs to look at them. > > I always sense a nice gap in the Brunswick records for the two Williams > that tells me the William who stayed there was just coming active or just > arrived in 1764/5, my impression is more that he's coming active. I can't > locate Piney Branch, but there's a Thomas Stone involved with both > Williams, for good or for bad. > > Payne, the age thing you mention about James is very telling. I just can't > see where it's the same James, having kids in the 1750s (Frederick, et al) > and on through to the 1780s (West and the younger ones). OK, it could be > the same James and two wives and families, but no evidence jumps out for > that. Mike, the Brunswick "pod" families is very satisfying! > > Payne, another posit (same as Mike's, but his most recent reply didn't > thread with yours), or at least a question that differs from what you > describe, how/why is the William of Halifax tied to the Tyrrell/Lanier > group? I've read Tom's further comments about this William, but it sure > looks that the William, wf Sarah, of Halifax (i.e. son of Peter of > Brunswick) is the same as the William of the 1796/1800 will with children > Archibald, Lewis, Willie, Ritter Saxon, etc. Besides the tight ties to the > Brunswick group on Burnt Coat (Peter and Randal, etc.), I'm putting > together from the records (much matching Tom's layout except the > connection to Tyrrell) that Anne Daniel, d/o Judith Brinkley was married > to Lewis, and their daughter's name - Sarah Brown Daniel (md. Jones) - is > a namesake for Sarah Brown, wf of Peter Daniel of Brunswick, also that > William's daughter Frances is a namesake from the same Brown family. I > know others said that this William had first wife Martha Jones and Tom > unravels that. And I follow his description of the contemporary Williams > with sons Willie/Wiley (I don't have records about the Willie thing > though, so can't offer independent verification of the idea). I just don't > see what puts the William of Halifax as from the Tyrrell gang. Tom says > the William of Beaufort/Pitt is last seen in 1755, but there's a William > Daniel as chain carrier in 1760 Beaufort grants, no clue that it's the > same or a different William Daniel but the land is in St. Thomas Parish if > that helps relate to or distinguish from the Daniel/Lanier group. > > The only two Williams I see in the 1786 census are the ones in Halifax and > the one in Martin, have I missed one in Edgecombe; is there a list for > Edgecombe in the 1786 census? I think the two William Daniels in the 1790 > Edgecombe census are the ones way south in what will become Wilson Co, > i.e. all clumped in the D list: Asa, David, Joseph (all Daniel), skip > William Dickinson, then Rebeccah (she's the widow of William Daniel), > Joseph, William (all Daniel), skip Joseph Barnes, then Levi Daniel, skip > John and James Davis, then Nathan and Samuel Daniel. One group of them > could be the ones on Little Swamp (1762 grant), the other the ones further > south on Black Creek (the Northampton gang, yes?). The 1790 Halifax > William Daniel is nicely nestled in the district with Lewis, Archibald, > Willie, and all the good collateral names to be Burnt Coat, so he's clear, > but old mystery friend Starling is also there much later in the list. > > I'm ignoring the Toisnot William and kin in all this because they seem > clear and isolated, but there are other/more Williams running around than > have begun to be accounted for, betcha. Add to the mix the DNA blips > (12104/15958 or 4327, and ysearch's QB4GZ) for the Tyrrell folk and > there's a ways to go. > > Mike, thanks for the Israel West and James Daniel records! I'm not at all > surprised about the double West marriage, the number of West branches and > possibly different lines in the area is staggering to me. I'm still > ruminating the whole James and Elizabeth West thing, but I'm more inclined > for the moment to think there's two James. Gotta go meditate some more > (translation: need chocolate). > > Later, > Pam in CA > (Sorry, I can't see a reasonable way to snip the originals on this one.) > > > Payne Daniel wrote: > > Mike's stuff is great as well! > > > > Mike, we may a scenario something like this. If the date of birth for > > James Daniel of Nash can be established to be about 1725 (Brunswick) > > then he may be the father of Frederick Daniel of Brunswick/Nash who was > > born 2 Mar 1755. Also, the Elizabeth "Polly" Daniel born about 1754 was > > probably the daughter of James and the sister of Frederick. She married > > the well traveled Howell Flewellen, well traveled in the way he was > > involved in everybody's business. [13 July 1772 - Howell FLEWELLIN of > > Halifax Co was deeded land in Edgecombe Co, NC. 26 Nov. 1778 - Howell > > was bondsman for the marriage of Elizabeth POWELL and Frederick DANIEL > > in Nash Co, NC. Late 1780s - Howell was administrator for the estate of > > James DANIEL. 17 Oct 1805 - Howell FLEWELLEN Estate probated in Nash Co, > > NC, names wife, Elizabeth and children. His will mentions his "land an > > plantation lying on the east side of beaver dam branch my Hunt > > plantation and my mill".] Ellen/Flewellen is the same cat! > > > > I have cousin Judy's compilation on Frederick that is 3 inches thick and > > his parentage therein is unknown. > > > > Lets look at this statement: [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who > > married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later > > Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his > > pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he > > enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] > > > > Now, there was a William Daniel born in Bertie in 1732 who was the son > > of Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier, and he married a Sarah. He had > > sons named Lewis and Wiley (Willie) Daniel; any chance there is a mix up > > here? > > The will for William, son of Peter was inventoried in 1792 when he died > > in Brunswick Co., Virginia, and the will for William Daniel of Halifax > > was signed in 1796 and he died in December 1797 and his estate was > > inventoried in 1798) > > > > Gotta run, check on those children?? Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > > > > > >> > >> > >> P. A. Miller wrote some great stuff. > >> > >> List (and Pam) > >> > >> Pam, I will attempt to answer some of the questions you posed in your > >> post. > >> > >> Israel & Elizabeth were in Edgecomb as early as 1758 where a court > >> document lists them as orphans of William West & Martha. Martha had > >> remarried (to William West…. really) and William was appointed > >> Guardian. Interestingly one of the securities was Benjamin Culpepper, > >> grandfather of Mary Culpepper, wife of David Sion Daniel. > >> > >> The William Daniel you see in 1740 must have been producing Bertie > >> Co., records at that time. There was a very active William in Bertie > >> which I believe to be Simon's brother but I am not aware if he came as > >> far west as what is now Nash. > >> > >> The property sold by West, Ephraim & Patsy was described as "300 acres > >> on the north side of Rockey Swamp (another document says west of RS) , > >> which William WALLACE acquired 28 Apr 1740". These three were not the > >> only children; in 1795 Shepherd sold his inheritance from Israel West, > >> in 1797 Milly, whose guardian was Sarah Edwards (dau. Of Peter that > >> married Hugh Edwards?) sold and in 1802 Margaret (Peggy) and her > >> husband Jonathan Wiseman sold her inheritance with the sale being > >> examined by Peggy in Lexington in Rowan Co. In every case the > >> properties were sold to James Judge. > >> > >> I agree if James of Edgecombe/Halifax and James of Nash are the same > >> his movements appear strange. However, it may be just movement > >> between two Brunswick “pods”. The Howell Flewellen (Ellen) > >> relationship seems to be present in both pods. > >> > >> I believe the following two independent judgments (one from Nash) > >> against the same folks suggest some relationship between Frederick & > >> James: > >> > >> 776-(647) Peter MORGAN sheriff of Halifax Co. to Willie DANIEL 14 Aug > >> 1797. By judgments from Nash Co. in favor of Howell F. ELLEN guardian > >> against the executors of John JONES dec'd; & in favor of David DANIEL > >> (?) guardian; and in favor of Frederick DANIEL; and in favor of George > >> REEVES. The court order was Aug Ct 1797. sd Willie DANIEL became > >> highest bidder for slaves Beck, Lacy. P. MORGAN. Wit: Lewis DANIEL, > >> Robert COCHRAN. Nov Ct. 1800. L. LONG CCt. [Willie & Lewis were sons > >> of William who married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick > >> and later Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do > >> know from his pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in > >> Nash when he enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's > >> Halifax will.] > >> > >> > >> 871-(723) Peter MORGAN high sheriff of Halifax Co, to Isaac HILLIARD, > >> 6 May 1801. Tamarlane JONES by his guardian Allen JONES recovered > >> against the heirs of John JONES, Sr. dec'd; John JONES, Robert JONES, > >> Willie JONES, Judith JONES (widow). Also Sarah EDWARDS guardian of > >> Milly DANIEL recovered against John, Willey, & Robt JONES as heirs of > >> John JONES Sr. dec'd. Sd HILLIARD was highest bidder at 1900 pounds. > >> 370 acres surveyed by THOMAS to sd John JONES dec'd. joining Fishing > >> Creek, Robert INMAN; 100 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES, > >> dec'd., joining sd CLARK, Caleb ETHERIDGE; 50 acres conveyed by CLARK > >> to John JONES dec'd, joining ETHERIDGE, sd CLRK, Fishing Creek. P. > >> MORGAN. Wit: John CROWELL, Charles W. GEE for HARRIS, P. BROWNE. John > >> HALL, L. C>C.C.S.E. [Milly is dau of James Daniel & Elizabeth West. > >> Although I can't be certain Sarah Edwards may be Peter Daniel's dau > >> that married Hugh Edwards.] > >> > >> As I was researching these families what gave me a problem was the > >> Davids. As Pam mentions the more prominent David has no apparent > >> connection (that I could establish) to either the Peter Daniel crowd > >> or to Frederick. There is however, a David Daniel very prominent in > >> the affairs of Frederick and James in Nash Co. I wish I could say > >> that this David was David Sion Daniel, who based on his wife Mary’s > >> (Culpepper) app for his RW pension states says that he was son of > >> Peter Daniel of Halifax. Other than the pension app I have learned > >> very little about this David but the circumstances are such that this > >> may have been him in Nash and there was a case (the property James > >> sold to Peter) that his name appears in a Halifax document. We know > >> for a RW pension app fact that Frederick was born in Brunswick Co., VA. > >> > >> More later. > >> > >> Mike > >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >

If the scenario needs a fixin, it will be fixed as per your comments. I will let Tom know what's up since his name is mentioned. Many thanks, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > Hey, Mike, Payne, and all > > I spy a quick glitch on the Williams. > > The William of Brunswick VA whose estate was inventoried in 1792 is the > William of the 1786 will, wife Ann, chn George, John, Drury, James, > Ellick. In the will he lends Ann slaves Jacob, Sue, and Liddia. The 1792 > inventory includes slaves Jacob and Liddie. This William's land as > described in the will is on the Piney Branch, consisting of 150a on the > southwest side and 67a on the northeast. These lands are covered in: > > Brunsw DB8-248 Thomas Stone to William Daniel, both of Brunsw, wr 21 Sep > 1765, £10 current money of VA, 125a in Brunsw, bd Caleb Lindsey, part of a > patent granted to Thomas Stone date at Williamsburgh 20 Jun 1760. wit > James Moore Senr, James Moore Junr, James Elmoore, recd 24 Sep 1765. > > Brunsw DB8-378 "A List of Surveys made from Jun 1764 to Jun3 1765." > ...surveyed for William Daniel 92 acres, joining Stone & others. > [Part of the entry and warrant process. William Daniel received the patent > for 92a Brunswick county adj Lacy and Barrow on 10 Jul 1767, Patent Bk 36, > p. 1051.] > > [these add up to exactly what William bequeathed in 1786] > > It's the other William of Brunswick VA who is son of Peter, had wf Sarah, > who sold out and went to Halifax NC: > > Brunsw DB6-299 William Daniel & wf Sarah to Robert Short, all of St > Andrews Brunsw, wr 17 Oct 1758, £30 current money of VA, 68a in Brunsw so > side of Nottoway Rv, bd Howz's line, Peter Daniel. Wit Peter Daniel Senr, > John Avery, Peter Daniel Junr. recd 28 Nov 1758 > > Brunsw DB6-536 Robert (X) Short Sr of St Andrew Par in Brunswick co to > Caleb Vaughan of Bath Par in Dinwiddie co. 23 Jun 1760, 23 Jun 1760, £60, > 68a which was part of a 532a patent to Peter Daniel 20 Mar 1745, on > Crablouse Creek; the sd 68a having been given as a deed of gift by sd > Peter Daniel to his son William Daniel who sold it to sd Robert Short. wit > Robert Campbell, Thos Stone, Thos Jackson. Wf of sd Robert Short [no name > given] relinq right of dower. > > I see on your site where Tom Valentine speaks differently on the above > records and relationship of Peter and William, but that's the reading I > got from the original deeds, a third pair of eyes needs to look at them. > > I always sense a nice gap in the Brunswick records for the two Williams > that tells me the William who stayed there was just coming active or just > arrived in 1764/5, my impression is more that he's coming active. I can't > locate Piney Branch, but there's a Thomas Stone involved with both > Williams, for good or for bad. > > Payne, the age thing you mention about James is very telling. I just can't > see where it's the same James, having kids in the 1750s (Frederick, et al) > and on through to the 1780s (West and the younger ones). OK, it could be > the same James and two wives and families, but no evidence jumps out for > that. Mike, the Brunswick "pod" families is very satisfying! > > Payne, another posit (same as Mike's, but his most recent reply didn't > thread with yours), or at least a question that differs from what you > describe, how/why is the William of Halifax tied to the Tyrrell/Lanier > group? I've read Tom's further comments about this William, but it sure > looks that the William, wf Sarah, of Halifax (i.e. son of Peter of > Brunswick) is the same as the William of the 1796/1800 will with children > Archibald, Lewis, Willie, Ritter Saxon, etc. Besides the tight ties to the > Brunswick group on Burnt Coat (Peter and Randal, etc.), I'm putting > together from the records (much matching Tom's layout except the > connection to Tyrrell) that Anne Daniel, d/o Judith Brinkley was married > to Lewis, and their daughter's name - Sarah Brown Daniel (md. Jones) - is > a namesake for Sarah Brown, wf of Peter Daniel of Brunswick, also that > William's daughter Frances is a namesake from the same Brown family. I > know others said that this William had first wife Martha Jones and Tom > unravels that. And I follow his description of the contemporary Williams > with sons Willie/Wiley (I don't have records about the Willie thing > though, so can't offer independent verification of the idea). I just don't > see what puts the William of Halifax as from the Tyrrell gang. Tom says > the William of Beaufort/Pitt is last seen in 1755, but there's a William > Daniel as chain carrier in 1760 Beaufort grants, no clue that it's the > same or a different William Daniel but the land is in St. Thomas Parish if > that helps relate to or distinguish from the Daniel/Lanier group. > > The only two Williams I see in the 1786 census are the ones in Halifax and > the one in Martin, have I missed one in Edgecombe; is there a list for > Edgecombe in the 1786 census? I think the two William Daniels in the 1790 > Edgecombe census are the ones way south in what will become Wilson Co, > i.e. all clumped in the D list: Asa, David, Joseph (all Daniel), skip > William Dickinson, then Rebeccah (she's the widow of William Daniel), > Joseph, William (all Daniel), skip Joseph Barnes, then Levi Daniel, skip > John and James Davis, then Nathan and Samuel Daniel. One group of them > could be the ones on Little Swamp (1762 grant), the other the ones further > south on Black Creek (the Northampton gang, yes?). The 1790 Halifax > William Daniel is nicely nestled in the district with Lewis, Archibald, > Willie, and all the good collateral names to be Burnt Coat, so he's clear, > but old mystery friend Starling is also there much later in the list. > > I'm ignoring the Toisnot William and kin in all this because they seem > clear and isolated, but there are other/more Williams running around than > have begun to be accounted for, betcha. Add to the mix the DNA blips > (12104/15958 or 4327, and ysearch's QB4GZ) for the Tyrrell folk and > there's a ways to go. > > Mike, thanks for the Israel West and James Daniel records! I'm not at all > surprised about the double West marriage, the number of West branches and > possibly different lines in the area is staggering to me. I'm still > ruminating the whole James and Elizabeth West thing, but I'm more inclined > for the moment to think there's two James. Gotta go meditate some more > (translation: need chocolate). > > Later, > Pam in CA > (Sorry, I can't see a reasonable way to snip the originals on this one.) > > > Payne Daniel wrote: > > Mike's stuff is great as well! > > > > Mike, we may a scenario something like this. If the date of birth for > > James Daniel of Nash can be established to be about 1725 (Brunswick) > > then he may be the father of Frederick Daniel of Brunswick/Nash who was > > born 2 Mar 1755. Also, the Elizabeth "Polly" Daniel born about 1754 was > > probably the daughter of James and the sister of Frederick. She married > > the well traveled Howell Flewellen, well traveled in the way he was > > involved in everybody's business. [13 July 1772 - Howell FLEWELLIN of > > Halifax Co was deeded land in Edgecombe Co, NC. 26 Nov. 1778 - Howell > > was bondsman for the marriage of Elizabeth POWELL and Frederick DANIEL > > in Nash Co, NC. Late 1780s - Howell was administrator for the estate of > > James DANIEL. 17 Oct 1805 - Howell FLEWELLEN Estate probated in Nash Co, > > NC, names wife, Elizabeth and children. His will mentions his "land an > > plantation lying on the east side of beaver dam branch my Hunt > > plantation and my mill".] Ellen/Flewellen is the same cat! > > > > I have cousin Judy's compilation on Frederick that is 3 inches thick and > > his parentage therein is unknown. > > > > Lets look at this statement: [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who > > married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later > > Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his > > pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he > > enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] > > > > Now, there was a William Daniel born in Bertie in 1732 who was the son > > of Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier, and he married a Sarah. He had > > sons named Lewis and Wiley (Willie) Daniel; any chance there is a mix up > > here? > > The will for William, son of Peter was inventoried in 1792 when he died > > in Brunswick Co., Virginia, and the will for William Daniel of Halifax > > was signed in 1796 and he died in December 1797 and his estate was > > inventoried in 1798) > > > > Gotta run, check on those children?? Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > > > > > >> > >> > >> P. A. Miller wrote some great stuff. > >> > >> List (and Pam) > >> > >> Pam, I will attempt to answer some of the questions you posed in your > >> post. > >> > >> Israel & Elizabeth were in Edgecomb as early as 1758 where a court > >> document lists them as orphans of William West & Martha. Martha had > >> remarried (to William West…. really) and William was appointed > >> Guardian. Interestingly one of the securities was Benjamin Culpepper, > >> grandfather of Mary Culpepper, wife of David Sion Daniel. > >> > >> The William Daniel you see in 1740 must have been producing Bertie > >> Co., records at that time. There was a very active William in Bertie > >> which I believe to be Simon's brother but I am not aware if he came as > >> far west as what is now Nash. > >> > >> The property sold by West, Ephraim & Patsy was described as "300 acres > >> on the north side of Rockey Swamp (another document says west of RS) , > >> which William WALLACE acquired 28 Apr 1740". These three were not the > >> only children; in 1795 Shepherd sold his inheritance from Israel West, > >> in 1797 Milly, whose guardian was Sarah Edwards (dau. Of Peter that > >> married Hugh Edwards?) sold and in 1802 Margaret (Peggy) and her > >> husband Jonathan Wiseman sold her inheritance with the sale being > >> examined by Peggy in Lexington in Rowan Co. In every case the > >> properties were sold to James Judge. > >> > >> I agree if James of Edgecombe/Halifax and James of Nash are the same > >> his movements appear strange. However, it may be just movement > >> between two Brunswick “pods”. The Howell Flewellen (Ellen) > >> relationship seems to be present in both pods. > >> > >> I believe the following two independent judgments (one from Nash) > >> against the same folks suggest some relationship between Frederick & > >> James: > >> > >> 776-(647) Peter MORGAN sheriff of Halifax Co. to Willie DANIEL 14 Aug > >> 1797. By judgments from Nash Co. in favor of Howell F. ELLEN guardian > >> against the executors of John JONES dec'd; & in favor of David DANIEL > >> (?) guardian; and in favor of Frederick DANIEL; and in favor of George > >> REEVES. The court order was Aug Ct 1797. sd Willie DANIEL became > >> highest bidder for slaves Beck, Lacy. P. MORGAN. Wit: Lewis DANIEL, > >> Robert COCHRAN. Nov Ct. 1800. L. LONG CCt. [Willie & Lewis were sons > >> of William who married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick > >> and later Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do > >> know from his pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in > >> Nash when he enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's > >> Halifax will.] > >> > >> > >> 871-(723) Peter MORGAN high sheriff of Halifax Co, to Isaac HILLIARD, > >> 6 May 1801. Tamarlane JONES by his guardian Allen JONES recovered > >> against the heirs of John JONES, Sr. dec'd; John JONES, Robert JONES, > >> Willie JONES, Judith JONES (widow). Also Sarah EDWARDS guardian of > >> Milly DANIEL recovered against John, Willey, & Robt JONES as heirs of > >> John JONES Sr. dec'd. Sd HILLIARD was highest bidder at 1900 pounds. > >> 370 acres surveyed by THOMAS to sd John JONES dec'd. joining Fishing > >> Creek, Robert INMAN; 100 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES, > >> dec'd., joining sd CLARK, Caleb ETHERIDGE; 50 acres conveyed by CLARK > >> to John JONES dec'd, joining ETHERIDGE, sd CLRK, Fishing Creek. P. > >> MORGAN. Wit: John CROWELL, Charles W. GEE for HARRIS, P. BROWNE. John > >> HALL, L. C>C.C.S.E. [Milly is dau of James Daniel & Elizabeth West. > >> Although I can't be certain Sarah Edwards may be Peter Daniel's dau > >> that married Hugh Edwards.] > >> > >> As I was researching these families what gave me a problem was the > >> Davids. As Pam mentions the more prominent David has no apparent > >> connection (that I could establish) to either the Peter Daniel crowd > >> or to Frederick. There is however, a David Daniel very prominent in > >> the affairs of Frederick and James in Nash Co. I wish I could say > >> that this David was David Sion Daniel, who based on his wife Mary’s > >> (Culpepper) app for his RW pension states says that he was son of > >> Peter Daniel of Halifax. Other than the pension app I have learned > >> very little about this David but the circumstances are such that this > >> may have been him in Nash and there was a case (the property James > >> sold to Peter) that his name appears in a Halifax document. We know > >> for a RW pension app fact that Frederick was born in Brunswick Co., VA. > >> > >> More later. > >> > >> Mike > >> > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >

Ah, a point of disagreement. I will send you my notes on this William for you to peruse at your leisure. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > The William Daniel you describe as son of Thomas Daniel (1796 will) lived > in > the thick of the Halifax Peter Daniel pod and had several transactions > with > Peter (either Sr. or Jr.) I've learned to never say never but I don't > believe this gentleman was son of Thomas Daniel. > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >

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A lot of this bad documentation in the past. My ancestor is Ezekiel Daniel b. 1788 in S.C. The trail ends there and his ancestor are very well documented. Census 1810 to 1920, marriage records, probate records, land records, military records, and death certificates. I have them in my possession. I have found three additional "Ezekiel Daniel's" in the old colonial records and there are pedigrees floating around which I have downloaded. Who can say how accurate these pedigrees are so the search goes on. Your opinion is valued as you have some reason to believe the information to be misleading and sharing this makes me dig further for true documentation. The search goes on. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts The William Daniel you describe as son of Thomas Daniel (1796 will) lived in the thick of the Halifax Peter Daniel pod and had several transactions with Peter (either Sr. or Jr.) I've learned to never say never but I don't believe this gentleman was son of Thomas Daniel. Mike ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe Click on the following link and your message is ready to send Mail Mode: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe or- Digest Mode: mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe

Hey, Mike, Payne, and all I spy a quick glitch on the Williams. The William of Brunswick VA whose estate was inventoried in 1792 is the William of the 1786 will, wife Ann, chn George, John, Drury, James, Ellick. In the will he lends Ann slaves Jacob, Sue, and Liddia. The 1792 inventory includes slaves Jacob and Liddie. This William's land as described in the will is on the Piney Branch, consisting of 150a on the southwest side and 67a on the northeast. These lands are covered in: Brunsw DB8-248 Thomas Stone to William Daniel, both of Brunsw, wr 21 Sep 1765, £10 current money of VA, 125a in Brunsw, bd Caleb Lindsey, part of a patent granted to Thomas Stone date at Williamsburgh 20 Jun 1760. wit James Moore Senr, James Moore Junr, James Elmoore, recd 24 Sep 1765. Brunsw DB8-378 "A List of Surveys made from Jun 1764 to Jun3 1765." ...surveyed for William Daniel 92 acres, joining Stone & others. [Part of the entry and warrant process. William Daniel received the patent for 92a Brunswick county adj Lacy and Barrow on 10 Jul 1767, Patent Bk 36, p. 1051.] [these add up to exactly what William bequeathed in 1786] It's the other William of Brunswick VA who is son of Peter, had wf Sarah, who sold out and went to Halifax NC: Brunsw DB6-299 William Daniel & wf Sarah to Robert Short, all of St Andrews Brunsw, wr 17 Oct 1758, £30 current money of VA, 68a in Brunsw so side of Nottoway Rv, bd Howz's line, Peter Daniel. Wit Peter Daniel Senr, John Avery, Peter Daniel Junr. recd 28 Nov 1758 Brunsw DB6-536 Robert (X) Short Sr of St Andrew Par in Brunswick co to Caleb Vaughan of Bath Par in Dinwiddie co. 23 Jun 1760, 23 Jun 1760, £60, 68a which was part of a 532a patent to Peter Daniel 20 Mar 1745, on Crablouse Creek; the sd 68a having been given as a deed of gift by sd Peter Daniel to his son William Daniel who sold it to sd Robert Short. wit Robert Campbell, Thos Stone, Thos Jackson. Wf of sd Robert Short [no name given] relinq right of dower. I see on your site where Tom Valentine speaks differently on the above records and relationship of Peter and William, but that's the reading I got from the original deeds, a third pair of eyes needs to look at them. I always sense a nice gap in the Brunswick records for the two Williams that tells me the William who stayed there was just coming active or just arrived in 1764/5, my impression is more that he's coming active. I can't locate Piney Branch, but there's a Thomas Stone involved with both Williams, for good or for bad. Payne, the age thing you mention about James is very telling. I just can't see where it's the same James, having kids in the 1750s (Frederick, et al) and on through to the 1780s (West and the younger ones). OK, it could be the same James and two wives and families, but no evidence jumps out for that. Mike, the Brunswick "pod" families is very satisfying! Payne, another posit (same as Mike's, but his most recent reply didn't thread with yours), or at least a question that differs from what you describe, how/why is the William of Halifax tied to the Tyrrell/Lanier group? I've read Tom's further comments about this William, but it sure looks that the William, wf Sarah, of Halifax (i.e. son of Peter of Brunswick) is the same as the William of the 1796/1800 will with children Archibald, Lewis, Willie, Ritter Saxon, etc. Besides the tight ties to the Brunswick group on Burnt Coat (Peter and Randal, etc.), I'm putting together from the records (much matching Tom's layout except the connection to Tyrrell) that Anne Daniel, d/o Judith Brinkley was married to Lewis, and their daughter's name - Sarah Brown Daniel (md. Jones) - is a namesake for Sarah Brown, wf of Peter Daniel of Brunswick, also that William's daughter Frances is a namesake from the same Brown family. I know others said that this William had first wife Martha Jones and Tom unravels that. And I follow his description of the contemporary Williams with sons Willie/Wiley (I don't have records about the Willie thing though, so can't offer independent verification of the idea). I just don't see what puts the William of Halifax as from the Tyrrell gang. Tom says the William of Beaufort/Pitt is last seen in 1755, but there's a William Daniel as chain carrier in 1760 Beaufort grants, no clue that it's the same or a different William Daniel but the land is in St. Thomas Parish if that helps relate to or distinguish from the Daniel/Lanier group. The only two Williams I see in the 1786 census are the ones in Halifax and the one in Martin, have I missed one in Edgecombe; is there a list for Edgecombe in the 1786 census? I think the two William Daniels in the 1790 Edgecombe census are the ones way south in what will become Wilson Co, i.e. all clumped in the D list: Asa, David, Joseph (all Daniel), skip William Dickinson, then Rebeccah (she's the widow of William Daniel), Joseph, William (all Daniel), skip Joseph Barnes, then Levi Daniel, skip John and James Davis, then Nathan and Samuel Daniel. One group of them could be the ones on Little Swamp (1762 grant), the other the ones further south on Black Creek (the Northampton gang, yes?). The 1790 Halifax William Daniel is nicely nestled in the district with Lewis, Archibald, Willie, and all the good collateral names to be Burnt Coat, so he's clear, but old mystery friend Starling is also there much later in the list. I'm ignoring the Toisnot William and kin in all this because they seem clear and isolated, but there are other/more Williams running around than have begun to be accounted for, betcha. Add to the mix the DNA blips (12104/15958 or 4327, and ysearch's QB4GZ) for the Tyrrell folk and there's a ways to go. Mike, thanks for the Israel West and James Daniel records! I'm not at all surprised about the double West marriage, the number of West branches and possibly different lines in the area is staggering to me. I'm still ruminating the whole James and Elizabeth West thing, but I'm more inclined for the moment to think there's two James. Gotta go meditate some more (translation: need chocolate). Later, Pam in CA (Sorry, I can't see a reasonable way to snip the originals on this one.) Payne Daniel wrote: > Mike's stuff is great as well! > > Mike, we may a scenario something like this. If the date of birth for > James Daniel of Nash can be established to be about 1725 (Brunswick) > then he may be the father of Frederick Daniel of Brunswick/Nash who was > born 2 Mar 1755. Also, the Elizabeth "Polly" Daniel born about 1754 was > probably the daughter of James and the sister of Frederick. She married > the well traveled Howell Flewellen, well traveled in the way he was > involved in everybody's business. [13 July 1772 - Howell FLEWELLIN of > Halifax Co was deeded land in Edgecombe Co, NC. 26 Nov. 1778 - Howell > was bondsman for the marriage of Elizabeth POWELL and Frederick DANIEL > in Nash Co, NC. Late 1780s - Howell was administrator for the estate of > James DANIEL. 17 Oct 1805 - Howell FLEWELLEN Estate probated in Nash Co, > NC, names wife, Elizabeth and children. His will mentions his "land an > plantation lying on the east side of beaver dam branch my Hunt > plantation and my mill".] Ellen/Flewellen is the same cat! > > I have cousin Judy's compilation on Frederick that is 3 inches thick and > his parentage therein is unknown. > > Lets look at this statement: [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who > married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later > Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his > pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he > enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] > > Now, there was a William Daniel born in Bertie in 1732 who was the son > of Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier, and he married a Sarah. He had > sons named Lewis and Wiley (Willie) Daniel; any chance there is a mix up > here? > The will for William, son of Peter was inventoried in 1792 when he died > in Brunswick Co., Virginia, and the will for William Daniel of Halifax > was signed in 1796 and he died in December 1797 and his estate was > inventoried in 1798) > > Gotta run, check on those children?? Payne > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > > >> >> >> P. A. Miller wrote some great stuff. >> >> List (and Pam) >> >> Pam, I will attempt to answer some of the questions you posed in your >> post. >> >> Israel & Elizabeth were in Edgecomb as early as 1758 where a court >> document lists them as orphans of William West & Martha. Martha had >> remarried (to William West…. really) and William was appointed >> Guardian. Interestingly one of the securities was Benjamin Culpepper, >> grandfather of Mary Culpepper, wife of David Sion Daniel. >> >> The William Daniel you see in 1740 must have been producing Bertie >> Co., records at that time. There was a very active William in Bertie >> which I believe to be Simon's brother but I am not aware if he came as >> far west as what is now Nash. >> >> The property sold by West, Ephraim & Patsy was described as "300 acres >> on the north side of Rockey Swamp (another document says west of RS) , >> which William WALLACE acquired 28 Apr 1740". These three were not the >> only children; in 1795 Shepherd sold his inheritance from Israel West, >> in 1797 Milly, whose guardian was Sarah Edwards (dau. Of Peter that >> married Hugh Edwards?) sold and in 1802 Margaret (Peggy) and her >> husband Jonathan Wiseman sold her inheritance with the sale being >> examined by Peggy in Lexington in Rowan Co. In every case the >> properties were sold to James Judge. >> >> I agree if James of Edgecombe/Halifax and James of Nash are the same >> his movements appear strange. However, it may be just movement >> between two Brunswick “pods”. The Howell Flewellen (Ellen) >> relationship seems to be present in both pods. >> >> I believe the following two independent judgments (one from Nash) >> against the same folks suggest some relationship between Frederick & >> James: >> >> 776-(647) Peter MORGAN sheriff of Halifax Co. to Willie DANIEL 14 Aug >> 1797. By judgments from Nash Co. in favor of Howell F. ELLEN guardian >> against the executors of John JONES dec'd; & in favor of David DANIEL >> (?) guardian; and in favor of Frederick DANIEL; and in favor of George >> REEVES. The court order was Aug Ct 1797. sd Willie DANIEL became >> highest bidder for slaves Beck, Lacy. P. MORGAN. Wit: Lewis DANIEL, >> Robert COCHRAN. Nov Ct. 1800. L. LONG CCt. [Willie & Lewis were sons >> of William who married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick >> and later Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do >> know from his pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in >> Nash when he enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's >> Halifax will.] >> >> >> 871-(723) Peter MORGAN high sheriff of Halifax Co, to Isaac HILLIARD, >> 6 May 1801. Tamarlane JONES by his guardian Allen JONES recovered >> against the heirs of John JONES, Sr. dec'd; John JONES, Robert JONES, >> Willie JONES, Judith JONES (widow). Also Sarah EDWARDS guardian of >> Milly DANIEL recovered against John, Willey, & Robt JONES as heirs of >> John JONES Sr. dec'd. Sd HILLIARD was highest bidder at 1900 pounds. >> 370 acres surveyed by THOMAS to sd John JONES dec'd. joining Fishing >> Creek, Robert INMAN; 100 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES, >> dec'd., joining sd CLARK, Caleb ETHERIDGE; 50 acres conveyed by CLARK >> to John JONES dec'd, joining ETHERIDGE, sd CLRK, Fishing Creek. P. >> MORGAN. Wit: John CROWELL, Charles W. GEE for HARRIS, P. BROWNE. John >> HALL, L. C>C.C.S.E. [Milly is dau of James Daniel & Elizabeth West. >> Although I can't be certain Sarah Edwards may be Peter Daniel's dau >> that married Hugh Edwards.] >> >> As I was researching these families what gave me a problem was the >> Davids. As Pam mentions the more prominent David has no apparent >> connection (that I could establish) to either the Peter Daniel crowd >> or to Frederick. There is however, a David Daniel very prominent in >> the affairs of Frederick and James in Nash Co. I wish I could say >> that this David was David Sion Daniel, who based on his wife Mary’s >> (Culpepper) app for his RW pension states says that he was son of >> Peter Daniel of Halifax. Other than the pension app I have learned >> very little about this David but the circumstances are such that this >> may have been him in Nash and there was a case (the property James >> sold to Peter) that his name appears in a Halifax document. We know >> for a RW pension app fact that Frederick was born in Brunswick Co., VA. >> >> More later. >> >> Mike >>

The William Daniel you describe as son of Thomas Daniel (1796 will) lived in the thick of the Halifax Peter Daniel pod and had several transactions with Peter (either Sr. or Jr.) I've learned to never say never but I don't believe this gentleman was son of Thomas Daniel. Mike

Mike's stuff is great as well! Mike, we may a scenario something like this. If the date of birth for James Daniel of Nash can be established to be about 1725 (Brunswick) then he may be the father of Frederick Daniel of Brunswick/Nash who was born 2 Mar 1755. Also, the Elizabeth "Polly" Daniel born about 1754 was probably the daughter of James and the sister of Frederick. She married the well traveled Howell Flewellen, well traveled in the way he was involved in everybody's business. [13 July 1772 - Howell FLEWELLIN of Halifax Co was deeded land in Edgecombe Co, NC. 26 Nov. 1778 - Howell was bondsman for the marriage of Elizabeth POWELL and Frederick DANIEL in Nash Co, NC. Late 1780s - Howell was administrator for the estate of James DANIEL. 17 Oct 1805 - Howell FLEWELLEN Estate probated in Nash Co, NC, names wife, Elizabeth and children. His will mentions his "land an plantation lying on the east side of beaver dam branch my Hunt plantation and my mill".] Ellen/Flewellen is the same cat! I have cousin Judy's compilation on Frederick that is 3 inches thick and his parentage therein is unknown. Lets look at this statement: [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] Now, there was a William Daniel born in Bertie in 1732 who was the son of Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Lanier, and he married a Sarah. He had sons named Lewis and Wiley (Willie) Daniel; any chance there is a mix up here? The will for William, son of Peter was inventoried in 1792 when he died in Brunswick Co., Virginia, and the will for William Daniel of Halifax was signed in 1796 and he died in December 1797 and his estate was inventoried in 1798) Gotta run, check on those children?? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > > > P. A. Miller wrote some great stuff. > > List (and Pam) > > Pam, I will attempt to answer some of the questions you posed in your > post. > > Israel & Elizabeth were in Edgecomb as early as 1758 where a court > document lists them as orphans of William West & Martha. Martha had > remarried (to William West…. really) and William was appointed Guardian. > Interestingly one of the securities was Benjamin Culpepper, grandfather of > Mary Culpepper, wife of David Sion Daniel. > > The William Daniel you see in 1740 must have been producing Bertie Co., > records at that time. There was a very active William in Bertie which I > believe to be Simon's brother but I am not aware if he came as far west as > what is now Nash. > > The property sold by West, Ephraim & Patsy was described as "300 acres on > the north side of Rockey Swamp (another document says west of RS) , which > William WALLACE acquired 28 Apr 1740". These three were not the only > children; in 1795 Shepherd sold his inheritance from Israel West, in 1797 > Milly, whose guardian was Sarah Edwards (dau. Of Peter that married Hugh > Edwards?) sold and in 1802 Margaret (Peggy) and her husband Jonathan > Wiseman sold her inheritance with the sale being examined by Peggy in > Lexington in Rowan Co. In every case the properties were sold to James > Judge. > > I agree if James of Edgecombe/Halifax and James of Nash are the same his > movements appear strange. However, it may be just movement between two > Brunswick “pods”. The Howell Flewellen (Ellen) relationship seems to be > present in both pods. > > I believe the following two independent judgments (one from Nash) against > the same folks suggest some relationship between Frederick & James: > > 776-(647) Peter MORGAN sheriff of Halifax Co. to Willie DANIEL 14 Aug > 1797. By judgments from Nash Co. in favor of Howell F. ELLEN guardian > against the executors of John JONES dec'd; & in favor of David DANIEL (?) > guardian; and in favor of Frederick DANIEL; and in favor of George REEVES. > The court order was Aug Ct 1797. sd Willie DANIEL became highest bidder > for slaves Beck, Lacy. P. MORGAN. Wit: Lewis DANIEL, Robert COCHRAN. Nov > Ct. 1800. L. LONG CCt. [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who married > Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later Halifax. > Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his pension > app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he enlisted. > Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] > > > 871-(723) Peter MORGAN high sheriff of Halifax Co, to Isaac HILLIARD, 6 > May 1801. Tamarlane JONES by his guardian Allen JONES recovered against > the heirs of John JONES, Sr. dec'd; John JONES, Robert JONES, Willie > JONES, Judith JONES (widow). Also Sarah EDWARDS guardian of Milly DANIEL > recovered against John, Willey, & Robt JONES as heirs of John JONES Sr. > dec'd. Sd HILLIARD was highest bidder at 1900 pounds. 370 acres surveyed > by THOMAS to sd John JONES dec'd. joining Fishing Creek, Robert INMAN; 100 > acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES, dec'd., joining sd CLARK, Caleb > ETHERIDGE; 50 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES dec'd, joining > ETHERIDGE, sd CLRK, Fishing Creek. P. MORGAN. Wit: John CROWELL, Charles > W. GEE for HARRIS, P. BROWNE. John HALL, L. C>C.C.S.E. [Milly is dau of > James Daniel & Elizabeth West. Although I can't be certain Sarah Edwards > may be Peter Daniel's dau that married Hugh Edwards.] > > As I was researching these families what gave me a problem was the Davids. > As Pam mentions the more prominent David has no apparent connection (that > I could establish) to either the Peter Daniel crowd or to Frederick. > There is however, a David Daniel very prominent in the affairs of > Frederick and James in Nash Co. I wish I could say that this David was > David Sion Daniel, who based on his wife Mary’s (Culpepper) app for his RW > pension states says that he was son of Peter Daniel of Halifax. Other > than the pension app I have learned very little about this David but the > circumstances are such that this may have been him in Nash and there was a > case (the property James sold to Peter) that his name appears in a Halifax > document. We know for a RW pension app fact that Frederick was born in > Brunswick Co., VA. > > More later. > > Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > IF YOU MISS ANY MESSAGE: You can easily search the DANIEL List Archives > at: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=DANIEL >

P. A. Miller wrote some great stuff. List (and Pam) Pam, I will attempt to answer some of the questions you posed in your post. Israel & Elizabeth were in Edgecomb as early as 1758 where a court document lists them as orphans of William West & Martha. Martha had remarried (to William West…. really) and William was appointed Guardian. Interestingly one of the securities was Benjamin Culpepper, grandfather of Mary Culpepper, wife of David Sion Daniel. The William Daniel you see in 1740 must have been producing Bertie Co., records at that time. There was a very active William in Bertie which I believe to be Simon's brother but I am not aware if he came as far west as what is now Nash. The property sold by West, Ephraim & Patsy was described as "300 acres on the north side of Rockey Swamp (another document says west of RS) , which William WALLACE acquired 28 Apr 1740". These three were not the only children; in 1795 Shepherd sold his inheritance from Israel West, in 1797 Milly, whose guardian was Sarah Edwards (dau. Of Peter that married Hugh Edwards?) sold and in 1802 Margaret (Peggy) and her husband Jonathan Wiseman sold her inheritance with the sale being examined by Peggy in Lexington in Rowan Co. In every case the properties were sold to James Judge. I agree if James of Edgecombe/Halifax and James of Nash are the same his movements appear strange. However, it may be just movement between two Brunswick “pods”. The Howell Flewellen (Ellen) relationship seems to be present in both pods. I believe the following two independent judgments (one from Nash) against the same folks suggest some relationship between Frederick & James: 776-(647) Peter MORGAN sheriff of Halifax Co. to Willie DANIEL 14 Aug 1797. By judgments from Nash Co. in favor of Howell F. ELLEN guardian against the executors of John JONES dec'd; & in favor of David DANIEL (?) guardian; and in favor of Frederick DANIEL; and in favor of George REEVES. The court order was Aug Ct 1797. sd Willie DANIEL became highest bidder for slaves Beck, Lacy. P. MORGAN. Wit: Lewis DANIEL, Robert COCHRAN. Nov Ct. 1800. L. LONG CCt. [Willie & Lewis were sons of William who married Sarah who is likely a son of Peter of Brunswick and later Halifax. Although we don't know much about Frederick we do know from his pension app that he was from Brunswick Co. and was in Nash when he enlisted. Howell Allen was executor of James Daniel's Halifax will.] 871-(723) Peter MORGAN high sheriff of Halifax Co, to Isaac HILLIARD, 6 May 1801. Tamarlane JONES by his guardian Allen JONES recovered against the heirs of John JONES, Sr. dec'd; John JONES, Robert JONES, Willie JONES, Judith JONES (widow). Also Sarah EDWARDS guardian of Milly DANIEL recovered against John, Willey, & Robt JONES as heirs of John JONES Sr. dec'd. Sd HILLIARD was highest bidder at 1900 pounds. 370 acres surveyed by THOMAS to sd John JONES dec'd. joining Fishing Creek, Robert INMAN; 100 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES, dec'd., joining sd CLARK, Caleb ETHERIDGE; 50 acres conveyed by CLARK to John JONES dec'd, joining ETHERIDGE, sd CLRK, Fishing Creek. P. MORGAN. Wit: John CROWELL, Charles W. GEE for HARRIS, P. BROWNE. John HALL, L. C>C.C.S.E. [Milly is dau of James Daniel & Elizabeth West. Although I can't be certain Sarah Edwards may be Peter Daniel's dau that married Hugh Edwards.] As I was researching these families what gave me a problem was the Davids. As Pam mentions the more prominent David has no apparent connection (that I could establish) to either the Peter Daniel crowd or to Frederick. There is however, a David Daniel very prominent in the affairs of Frederick and James in Nash Co. I wish I could say that this David was David Sion Daniel, who based on his wife Mary’s (Culpepper) app for his RW pension states says that he was son of Peter Daniel of Halifax. Other than the pension app I have learned very little about this David but the circumstances are such that this may have been him in Nash and there was a case (the property James sold to Peter) that his name appears in a Halifax document. We know for a RW pension app fact that Frederick was born in Brunswick Co., VA. More later. Mike

Pam, is Howell Ellen/Felwellen associated in the records with just James of Nash or with James of Halifax as well? Frederick Daniel (mentioned with Howell Ellen) was a Brunswick Daniel who moved to Nash and then recoated to Pike Co., Ga. He, Frederick, is the Daniel link to my cousin Judy who also has a connection with me thru my Crowell family. As I mentioned my Daniels were all over the Jacket/Burnt Coat swamps with other collateral Daniel families that my cousin John says were relatives. Small world, what? Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > Hi, > > Not a clue yet without later land records. But I managed to mispresent my > burning question about it all. I made it look like the land given by > Israel West to the children of his sister Elizabeth West Daniel might be > the same as the 266a on Sapony, oops. That 266a would be from their father > James Daniel, but it's actually the more important info needed to help in > the question. My local sources only go to the early 1790s. Hopefully > somebody has something on it???? > > Anyway, as I look over timelines, it is striking that in the early years > (1760-1770) the Halifax James sort of "disappears" and then Edgecombe/Nash > James shows up, but in the late 1780s it almost looks like Nash James > eventually disappears and a James shows back up in Halifax after none had > been there in the intervening years. It supports the connection to the > Peter group, but I still have an uncomfy bug about the middle years. Just > gotta find out what happened to all the lands. > > Pam in CA > > > Payne Daniel wrote: > > Pam, > > So, do you think the James (of Halifax) who married Elizabeth West is > > the same as the James Daniel of Nash? I have them separate with > > Frederick as the son of James of Nash. Fun and games time, what? > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >

For now I will treat them as separate individuals. One thing is certain, the Fredrick Daniel of Nash/Pike Co., Ga., was associated with James of Nash Co., NC. There is a rumor that his father was a William but I haven't indentified him with a William, yet. Who exactly is the William in these records? As you say the time line is important so I will revisit that again. Many thanks Pam. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > Hi, > > Not a clue yet without later land records. But I managed to mispresent my > burning question about it all. I made it look like the land given by > Israel West to the children of his sister Elizabeth West Daniel might be > the same as the 266a on Sapony, oops. That 266a would be from their father > James Daniel, but it's actually the more important info needed to help in > the question. My local sources only go to the early 1790s. Hopefully > somebody has something on it???? > > Anyway, as I look over timelines, it is striking that in the early years > (1760-1770) the Halifax James sort of "disappears" and then Edgecombe/Nash > James shows up, but in the late 1780s it almost looks like Nash James > eventually disappears and a James shows back up in Halifax after none had > been there in the intervening years. It supports the connection to the > Peter group, but I still have an uncomfy bug about the middle years. Just > gotta find out what happened to all the lands. > > Pam in CA > > > Payne Daniel wrote: > > Pam, > > So, do you think the James (of Halifax) who married Elizabeth West is > > the same as the James Daniel of Nash? I have them separate with > > Frederick as the son of James of Nash. Fun and games time, what? > > > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >

Hi, Not a clue yet without later land records. But I managed to mispresent my burning question about it all. I made it look like the land given by Israel West to the children of his sister Elizabeth West Daniel might be the same as the 266a on Sapony, oops. That 266a would be from their father James Daniel, but it's actually the more important info needed to help in the question. My local sources only go to the early 1790s. Hopefully somebody has something on it???? Anyway, as I look over timelines, it is striking that in the early years (1760-1770) the Halifax James sort of "disappears" and then Edgecombe/Nash James shows up, but in the late 1780s it almost looks like Nash James eventually disappears and a James shows back up in Halifax after none had been there in the intervening years. It supports the connection to the Peter group, but I still have an uncomfy bug about the middle years. Just gotta find out what happened to all the lands. Pam in CA Payne Daniel wrote: > Pam, > So, do you think the James (of Halifax) who married Elizabeth West is > the same as the James Daniel of Nash? I have them separate with > Frederick as the son of James of Nash. Fun and games time, what? >

Which Ezekiel was supposed to be a descendant of Darby Daniel of the Roger Daniell Family of Warwick County, Va.? I have Darby Daniel married to Ann "Harrison" Copeland @ 1650 with no son Ezekiel. Was Darby the son of Roger Daniel Sr., circumstantial? William Daniel Jr., of the Middlesex Family married Mary Mosley @ 1702 with a son Obadiah who married Sarah Mosley @ 1736 and they had a son Ezekiel ["The DOUGLAS Register" An Index Of the Older Wills, Inventories, Divisions, Etc. of Goochland Co, VA: DANIEL, Ezekiel Year: 1790 Book: 15 Page: 386 DANIEL, Ezekiel (Div Est) 1812 21 297 DANIEL, George A. 1833 29 245 DANIEL, James 1734 2 251 DANIEL, Moseley 1795 16 539 DANIEL, Obediah 1774 12 147 None of these folks had any ties to Over Tabley, England!!! Cheers, Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Information on Ezekiel Daniel (b.St James Northam Parris, Va. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Daniel > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1824 > > Message Board Post: > > Information found on ancestory.com (Taylor-Blomfield Family Tree) > Payne, What's your opinion on this information? > It shows Ezekiel being the descendant of Darby Daniel and Ann Harrison > William Daniel and Mary Mosely then, > Obadiah Daniel and Sarah Mosley. > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > If you are have any problems receiving the DANIEL List, would like to > change your subscription method or email address or you have a suggestion > you think would improve the operation of the DANIEL list -- feel free to > contact me at any time - My email address is [email protected] >

Pam, So, do you think the James (of Halifax) who married Elizabeth West is the same as the James Daniel of Nash? I have them separate with Frederick as the son of James of Nash. Fun and games time, what? Great postings, Pam. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: [DANIEL-L] James Daniel & Elizabeth West thoughts > Hi all, (Mike, this is late follow-up to an old topic), > > I finally got back to working on my notions about James Daniel (d.1789) > and Elizabeth West. When I first thought I was "seeing" the possibility of > relating the James Daniel who married Elizabeth West to the Edmund gang, I > had his probable time of marriage off, but I'm still iffy on that because > I don't have enough later records to establish it fully. The later records > that put him with the Peter gang are compelling, but at the time I was > also looking to make sure his location at time of marriage made sense, > i.e. where were Israel West and his sister Elizabeth, did James go to > them, was he already there, etc. I had James and Elizabeth marrying later > (mid to late 1770s) when Israel West had already started unloading his > father's property on Stoney Creek, had moved up to Halifax and was _very_ > tied to the Edmund gang on Beaverdam at the time. But with a bit more > later stuff I realize James' marriage was ?earlier? than I had thought and > it probably puts him back with the Peter group - but I can still say a > "maybe" with that, it depends on when he married and on if the William > Daniel of Stoney Creek is part of the Peter gang or not. But yeah, my > Edmund thoughts are pretty trashed now. > > This is going to be my worst ever post of thoughts, I just can't get a > hold of what I'm thinking (good sign whatever it is is wrong, eh?). And > just personal background, I am so hypersensitive to, not just the > possibility, but the probability that there are always more than one of > the same name in any given location (the story of my life), so you have to > watch out for me seeing triple when it might not be so and fix me on it > (think Cool Hand Luke, "Have you got your mind right, Pam?"). But there's > definite record evidence of two James Daniel running around in 1770, I > just don't see much further identifying or separating them. And there's a > William Daniel down in the nearly correct Nash area as early as 1740 > before the Brunswick folk came down (and I don't think he's part of the > Simon gang either). > > A big chunk of everything rests on the details of the 20 Jan 1793 sale by > West, Ephraim, and Patsy Daniel to James Judge. All I've seen so far is > that it took place and it's in book 17, possibly page 500, county isn't > named. Please, does anybody have a fuller citation of it, particularly > some bit of description of the acreage or location? There's only one > "loose" piece of land that I can find that belonged to a James Daniel in > 1789 (besides the 200a he gave to son West), he had unloaded all the > others. What's left is the 266a on the S side of the Sapony, is that the > land the heirs sold in 1793 or not? And are they the only children of > James and Elizabeth? > > And the last thoughts, but I'm not going to try to state it all here, the > 1771-1772 deeds that put James Daniel in Edgecombe/Nash with father-in-law > William West around the time of his marriage(?) could be related to the > earlier William Daniel of Stoney Creek in Nash, and I can't feel too > positive that that's the same as the Brunswick William and Peter gang, not > when William and Sarah are in Halifax at the same time (early 1760s). Or > possibly what I'm doing here is being stubborn and saying that I don't > think the Brunswick William first or also went south to the Nash area and > then back up to the Halifax area, call me on it if that's what's > happening! > > Anyway, below is the James Daniel data I'm looking at, chronological, > entry followed by [further location of land mentioned even if not Daniel > land, questions, comments]. 1770 shows there's two James, and the various > land acquisitions are a little strange, not enough acreage to suggest he's > just speculating, but what then? And is there any indication of why he > went to Halifax not long before he died and where was he living there? I > have to watch myself, I can make a case that almost any of these guys is a > whole separate James Daniel! > > Here's my other news, I published a page of my Daniel records of > Edgecombe/Halifax/Nash/Wilson and a bit of the applicable Granville/Warren > counties with a map to help locate the lands (oh, the map passion I > inherited from my Daddy). It's at: > http://www.pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danieledgehalifnashwilson/index.htm > Another big please - does anybody know where Jarrells Swamp was in > Halifax, or the Gum Swamp (it wasn't a generic gum swamp) that was in the > Beaverdam area? They just aren't showing up anywhere! > > Regards, > Pam in CA > > Hal DB9-197 John (x) Pope and wf Sarah (x) of Hal to Thomas Nicholson of > Edgec 1 Apr 1765, £90, 200a pat to sd Pope 17 Jun 1741, on N sd Fishing > Ck, jng Pope's Branch. wit Davis Connell, David Nicholson, James Daniel. > recd Apr 1765. > [From my unlocatable leftovers on N sd Fishing Ck. Other Nicholsons are on > Jarrell Sw, Rockey Sw E sd, and S sd Fishing. Other Popes are on Gum Sw, > Burnt Coat. Other Connells are on Rockey Sw S sd, BUT a Davis Coniel is on > Sandy/Swift in 1761 w/Wm Daniel, i.e. in Nash or Edgecombe] > > Hal DB9-326 Robert Duglass and wf Ollive to Benajah Saxon 24 Jun 1765, > £14.3, 150a which Robert Duglass acq fr his bro Thomas Duglass, on S sd > Jackett Sw, jng John Burns, William Dugless. sig Robert Dugliss, Olive > (x) Duglass. wit James Daniel, Thomas Dugless, Michall (x) Wallis. recd > Jul 1766. > [Jacket Sw S sd] > > Edg Ct p.222 James Daniel bridge built over Fishing Ck at Culpeper's in > 1766, paid in May 1769, see below. > [Fishing Ck. See later for more.] > > Hal DB9-426 Thos (x) Tucker and wf Ann (x) planter of Hal to James Daniel > same 7 Jan 1767, £42, 150a acq by Francis Drake 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket > Sw, Turkey Branch. wit John Brown, John Daniel Jr. recd Jan 1767. > [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Sold by James and Elizabeth in 1770 to Peter > Daniel.] > > Edg Ct p.222 May 1769 Ordered that Sheriff pay James Daniel £29.5.7 which > appears to be the proportion of this county for a Bridge over Fishing > Creek at Culpeppers built by the said James Daniel in the year 1766 & that > sd sheriff ["pay" is crossed out] be allowed the same in his accts. etc. > [Fishing Ck. There's a Culpeper's road at Burnt Coat 1775 and 1819, i.e. > not close to Fishing Ck or Jacket Swamp, BUT there is a Culpeppers Bridge > today at Fishing Creek dead south of Jack Horse Swamp off of Rockey Swamp] > [Does this sound enough like Edgecombe was paying a Halifax James for > their part of the bridge? At first I was wondering could this James likely > be residing in Edgecombe already and not in Halifax, especially since the > known James of Halifax was so far from any possible bridge.] > > Edg Ct p.255 Feb 1770 $ to James Daniel for fishing Creek Bridge £29.5.7 > [Fishing] > > Hal DB11-162 James Daniel and wf Elizabeth to Peter Daniel 9 Mar 1770, > £100, 150a which Francis Drake had acq 15 Nov 1756, jng Jacket Swamp, > Turkey Branch. wit John Daniel Jr, David Daniel. recd Aug 1770. > [Jacket Sw, Turkey Br] [Ok, does this James really seem to leave the area > and go south for the next 16 years and then come back to Halifax before he > dies? My biggest problem is I thought James and Elizabeth West married NOT > before the early 1770s, son West sells land independently in 1793 so born > probably by 1772, just clutching here.] > > Hal DB11-238 Bverly Brown of Brunwick [sic] VA to William Brown of Pr Geo > VA 21 Sep 1770, £30, 313a jng Rocky Sw, Thos Williams. wit Robt Saunders, > Jas Daniel Jr, Richd Brown. recd Nov 1770. > [Rocky Sw] [***So there should be another older James, related or not, in > the area active enough that distinction needed to be made.] > > Edg DB2-25 Joseph (x) Strickland and wf Francies [sic] of Edg to Thomas > Hunter same 5 Oct 1771, £90, 200a pat by William West, on Stony Ck, jng > Lasetors Branch, Thomas Brown, sd West. wit Edward Gandy, Wm Whittenton, > James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. > [Stony Ck=Nash] [This is a critical one, here's a James Daniel tied to the > father-in-law William West. I'm not sure that it just has to be the same > one who sold the land in Halifax in 1770? But I guess the lack of further > Halifax records for a James until 1786 may makes the case.] > > Edg DB2-1 Jesse (x) Hunt of Edgc to David Daniel of Hal 19 Nov 1772, £23, > 100a which was part of grt to William Brassell 24 Jul 1761, jng Young, > Lake. wit Thomas Hunter, Wm Horn, James Daniel. recd Nov 1772. > [Pigbasket=Nash] [Yeah, this is helping put James with the Peter gang for > sure.] > > Edg DB2-157 Joseph (x) Strickling of Edgc to Thomas Hunter of same 23 Nov > 1772, £2.10, 1a [one] on S sd Stoney Ck jng sd Thomas Hunter's mill. wit > Shadrach Rutland, John Deavenport, James Thomas, Jas Daniel. recd Oct > 1774. > [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] > > Edg Ct p.376 Feb 1773 James Daniel appt overseer of road in the room of > Richard Vick > [Stoney Ck=Nash] > > Edg Ct p.422 Oct 1774 Richard Vick appt overseer of road in the room of > James Daniel > [Stoney Ck=Nash] > > Edg DB3-1 William (x) Hendrick of Edg to James Daniel same 3 Feb 1775, > £67, 266a part of Granv grt to sd William Hendrick 10 Aug 1762, on S sd > Sappony Sw, jng Sappony Branch, Batchelor, Great Meadow. wit William > Boddie, Nathan Boddie, Abraham Bass. recd Apr 1775. > [Sapony S sd=Nash] [Critical. No disposition, is this the land where he > actually resided, is it the land the heirs of James (d.1789) and Elizabeth > sold later?] > > Edg DB3-26 Israel West of Hal to Richard Vick same 18 Feb 1775, £183.6.8, > 200a part of pat to William West 20 Apr 1745, on S sd Stony Ck, jng > Sampson Pope. wit William West, James Daniel, Thomas Hunter. recd Apr > 1775. > [Stoney Ck S sd=Nash] [Israel then goes up to Halifax, settles on > Beaverdam/Rocky, sells the last of this inherited land in Nash in 1784.] > > Nash DB A29 Micajah Thomas of Nash to James Daniel of same 11 Apr 1777, > £170, 422a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, it being a tract grtd to > Robert Young by Erle of Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv by sd Young to Jacob > Whitehead 13 Jun 1764, beg at a Red Oak on S sd of pigbasket Ck, runing > thence N 252p to a pine, thence W 268p to a white oak, thence S 252p to a > Red Oak, thence E 268p to the ck thence along the ck to first station. wit > Wilson Vick, Wm Avent. recd Jul 1778 > [Pigbasket N sd] [Sold in two parts shown later: 1779 to Frederick Daniel, > 1786 to John Barrott. I'd sure feel better if a wife signed on those > coming deeds. Unless Frederick can be identified better, is there at least > some bizarre chance that this is a different James Daniel? Yeah, David > Daniel is a witness later for this land, but is there any chance there are > two David Daniels, one helps prove the Peter connection, the other doesn't > but confuses the issue? And the usual question, am I really going to push > send after writing this?] > > Nash WB1-6 William Braswell Jr wr 30 Nov 1778 pr Jan 1779. wf Martha. > Sons: 1 Robin 740a on N sd Little Ck; 2 Dempsey 710a on S sd Little Ck > when they come of age. Daus: 1 Juday Hunt; 2 Lucrecy Williams; 3 > Priscilla Exum; 4 Rhoda Powell; 5 Mourning Braswell. Grson Alexander > Hunt. Grdau Nancy Hunt. Son-in-law Thomas Beckwith. exr William > Williams, Joseph Exum, Jesse Powell. wit Wilson Vick, James Daniel, > William Braswell. > [Little Ck is WAY south in Nash, I can't find one closer to Pigbasket. I > don't have all the Braswell stuff, but this is weird as far as the land.] > > Nash DB A-97 James Daniel of Nash to Frederick Daniel of Nash, 3 Mar 1779, > 140a on N sd of Pigbasket Ck or Braswell's Ck, part of tract grtd to > Robert Young 1 Jun 1764, beg at a White oak then S 252p to a red oak, > thence E 90p to a Water oak, thence N 252p to a red oak in James Daniel's > back line, thence along sd Daniel's line W 90p to the first station. wit > Howell Flewellen, David (x) Daniel. recd Jul 1779. > [Pigbasket N sd, part of the 422a in Nash DB A29. So I guess the David > Daniel could be the final evidence.] > > Nash DB5-59 Jacob Dickingson of Edgec to Jesse Thomas of Nash 2 Jul 1782, > £20, 200a Nash beg Jesse Thomas' corner tree a Red Oak, fr thence S to > Jacob Dickinson's corner Red Oak, thence S to the Publick (road, Rackley's > addition), thence W along sd Road to Micajah Thomas' line upon the Meadow > Branch, then down sd Branch to Micajah Thomas' other line, thence E to > Jesse Thomas & along sd line to first station. wit James Daniel, Richard > Thomas. recd Aug 1788. After clerk's info: "This is a true copy from > record [Book F, page 74]. L'd F. Ellen." > [Pigbasket] > > Nash DB B45 Israel West of Hal to Thomas Hunter of Nash 18 Jun 1784, £70, > part of a tract of land on N sd Stoney Ck, which sd land fell to the sd > Israel West by the death of his Farther [sic], there being 150a, beg at a > White oak on the Creek Bank near the mouth of Laseter Branch runing a N > Course to a corner in a line formerly called David Strickling's line, > thence along a back line of marked trees to Thomas Willis' corner near > Jesse Hunt, then along a line of marked trees S to a hickory in Willis' > Branch, then down the sd branch to the low ground, thence a direct course > to the run of sd Creek, then down the various courses of sd Creek to beg. > wit James Daniel, Howell Ellen, Richard (x) Thomas. recd Feb 1785. > [Stoney Ck N sd] > > NC Census 1786/87 > Halifax "Distr No. 2, Taken by Francis Jones, Febry. 11, 1786." p.2 Lewis > Daniel 1-1-5-2-5, p. 3 Sterling Daniel 1-1-4-0-0 skip 5 William Daniel > 2-4-3-4-5 > [by all rights this district should include Darling Swamp and probably > some Burnt Coat] > Halifax "District No. 3; taken by Lemuell Hogun 1st Febry. 1786." p. 3 > Jacob O. Daniel 0-6-6-0=0 > [this could/should include Cowhaul Sw] > Halifax "District 10; taken by Samuel Crowell 22nd May 178-"p.1 Joseph > Daniell 1-4--4-1-0, p.2 Sion Daniell 1-0-1-2-0 next Peter Daniell > 1-4-3-1, Ambrose Daniell 1-5-3-0-0 > [should include Burnt Coat Sw] > Halifax "District 12; taken by Thomas Harvey 12 February 1786." p.3 Jas. > Daniel (No return), next to Williams, Alston > [this could/should be Burnt Coat Sw, but could include Gum Sw/Beaverdam > Sw] > [This tax list was taken Feb 1786, but James "of Nash" is still selling in > Nash in May of 1786 and still buying in 1787 as well. Absolutely common, > but I'm still wondering (or looking to make the rules of thumb about this > kind of thing bend backward). That there was "no return" can mean any of > the various reasons to help any theory about same or different James > Daniels existing, shoot.] > > Nash DB E46 James Daniel of Nash to John Barrott of Southampton VA 2 May > 1786, £150, 282a on N sd Pigbasket Ck or braswell's Ck, it being a tract > grtd Robert Young by Granv 8 Nov 1755, beg at a red oak on S sd of > Pigbasket Ck runing thence N 252p to a pine, thence W along a line of > marked trees to a Willow Oak a corner made and agreed on betw sd James > Daniel, Frederick Daniel, thence S along a line of marked trees to a black > Jack in the old line. wit Howell Ellen, Nathan (x) Barrott, Jno Williams. > recd May 1787. > [Pigbasket N sd, this is the last of the 422a from Nash DB A29.] > > Nash DB F24 Micajah Thomas of Nash to Julian King of same 18 Jul 1787, > £200, 300a beg at a hickory on the S sd Pigbasket Ck, then Thomas > Whitfield's line, thence N 150p to a pine in Robert Young's line now James > Daniel's, thence by sd line W 94p to his corner red oak, thence by his > other line N 40p to a pine, thence S 40W 180p the beaverdam a small branch > at or near the bank of Pigbasket Ck [sic on first part, needs a "to"?], > thence down the courses of the sd Ck to the mouth of the bull meadow > branch, then up the courses of sd branch to the head, fr thence a direct > course to a corner pine, fr thence S to a lightwood stump and post oak, fr > thence to the first station. wit Rhody Ricks, Jacob (x) Butts. recd Feb > 1788. > [Pigbasket N sd, starts on S sd of Pigbasket but goes N-W-N-SW back to > Pigbasket.] > > Nash DB E55 James Cain of Nash to James Daniel of same 13 Nov 1787, £43, > 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a black oak Lazarus Strickland's corner > and runs E 180p to a red oak, thence N 178p to a pine on Johnson's Branch, > thence up the branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence > along his line S to beg. wit Wilson Vick, Julian King. Nov 1787. > [James Daniel's Halifax will of 1789 wills this land to his son West > Daniel. James' Halifax will is next and West Daniel's sale of the 200a is > below (4-208).] > [I locate this provisionally near Pigbasket because of the strong Julian > King and Wilson Vick connections and because their deeds there refer to > land owned by James Daniel, but it may belong in one of the strictly > Toisnot sections further south?] > > Hal WB 3-173 James Daniel will wr 9 Apr 1789, pr Aug 1789. son West > Daniel 200a in Nash Co on Tosneot. dau Patsey Daniel 1 negro etc. wf > Elizabeth Daniel negroes and residue of est to raise my chn. exrs wf and > William West and Howell Ellen. wit Thomas Cavenah, Mathew Gilbirt, Edward > Cavenah. > > 1790 census West and Elizabeth Daniel in Halifax, Buckner Daniel in same > sub-list. Also in section are the sons of William Flewellen, Abner, > Taylor, Richard. William Flewellen was everywhere but his maybe last land > purchases were on Burnt Coat, so they may be there, this would be a final > nail in attaching them to the Peter gang. > > Nash DB4-208 West Daniel of Hal to Isaac Kirk of same 16 Apr 1793, £100, > 200a on waters of Tosnot, beg at a Black Oak Lazarous Strickland's corner > and runs E 180p to a Red Oak thence N 178p to a pine on Johnston's Branch, > then up the Branch W 180p to a Red Oak in Strickland's line, thence along > his line S to beg. wit Saml Smith, Allen Daniel. recd May 1793. [I'm > using this to say he's at least of the age of discretion, more likely of > age.] > > This next is online unsourced info, county wasn't given, WHAT IS THE > DESCRIPTION OF THIS LAND????: > "deed bk 17 1076-(500) West Daniel, Ephraim Daniel, Patsy Daniel of > Halifax to James Judge of same. 20 Jan 1793. 500 pounds. The land below > the grantors held by the will of Isreal West to the children of Elizabeth > Daniel "at the marriage and death of his wife Pricilla West."...... signed > by West, Ephraim and Patsey, witnessed by Elizabeth Daniel." > > Nash DB6-126 Frederick Daniel of Nash to Julian King of same 9 Feb 1796, > £75, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it being > part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755 and conv by > dd to Jacob Whitehead 1 Jun 1764. wit James Williams, Wm Boddie > [Pigbasket N sd] > > Nash DB6-464 Julian King of Nash to Howell F. Ellin of same [?day?] Feb > 1800, $300, 140a on N sd Pig Basket Ck adj James Daniel's former line, it > being part of a tract grtd to Robert Young by Earl Granv 8 Nov 1755, conv > by sd Young to Jacob Whitehead's line (?) 1 Jun 1764, and conv by > Frederick Daniel to Julian King. wit Arch'd Griffin, John Barrett. > [Pigbasket N sd] > > I'm ignoring the 1812 James Daniel record who is part of the Josiah estate > of Toisnot S side. > > > [email protected] wrote: >> In a message dated 4/16/2006 10:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> These families are from Isle of Wight Co, VA. Note the following will >> Audrey, >> Thank you very much for you reply. I believe you are correct with the >> Wests. Israel West, brother of Elizabeth, spouse of James Daniel >> mentions in his 1787 Halifax will "my 50 acres in Isle of Wight, Va." >> However, James Daniel seems to be most of his life among Brunswick and >> Dinwiddie folks. There is also a school of thought that he may be >> related to the Edmund Daniel folks. A lot is still pending on James. >> Mike > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Going on Vacation for longer than 5 days? Please unsubscribe > Click on the following link and your message is ready to send > Mail Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe > or- > Digest Mode: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe >

"Capt. William Daniel b 8 Apr 1625. Born in Over Tabley, Cheshire, England" This is NOT a Middlesex Daniel. NO Over Tabley Daniels came over to America. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: [DANIEL-L] Linage > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Daniel > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1823 > > Message Board Post: > > I have located a lineage chart from Middlesex, Va which identifies another > Ezekiel Daniel. > > Peter Daniels (Daniell) b. 1584 > > Capt. William Daniel b 8 Apr 1625. Born in Over Tabley, Cheshire, England > > William Daniel Jr. B bef 1664 Of Middlesex Co. Va. > Obadiah Daniel b. 13 Jan 1711 Middlesex, Va. married Sarah Mosley abt 1740 > > Ezekiel Daniel b. abt 1748 d. 1790 > > > ==== DANIEL Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daniel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1824 Message Board Post: Information found on ancestory.com (Taylor-Blomfield Family Tree) Payne, What's your opinion on this information? It shows Ezekiel being the descendant of Darby Daniel and Ann Harrison William Daniel and Mary Mosely then, Obadiah Daniel and Sarah Mosley.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daniel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GNR.2ACIB/1823 Message Board Post: I have located a lineage chart from Middlesex, Va which identifies another Ezekiel Daniel. Peter Daniels (Daniell) b. 1584 Capt. William Daniel b 8 Apr 1625. Born in Over Tabley, Cheshire, England William Daniel Jr. B bef 1664 Of Middlesex Co. Va. Obadiah Daniel b. 13 Jan 1711 Middlesex, Va. married Sarah Mosley abt 1740 Ezekiel Daniel b. abt 1748 d. 1790