This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: helenthomasen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dale/792.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wow Bronwyn have just read your message to Jeff 2006. As I have just emailed you some info but I feel i must update you with what I know. James did marry a Elizabeth abt 1888 as they are living in Hampstead but in the 1901 census James is living in St Pancras, Elizabeth is a patient in Hospital after that point I have no more info on her. I thought also they had a child called George James baptised in Eaves if they did he's not the George that emigrated to NZ I think he must have died also I think Elizabeth died as James emigrated to NZ 1919 was married to a Florence he did retire from the Met in 1914. IN the 1911 census there is a James Dale married to a Florence living in Staines Middlesex. James is a Inspector at that point. I have also a photo of what my father told me was his grandfather James Dale arresting Emmila Pankhurst in London. The photo of which I have a copy of is taken in 1914 arresting officer is a Supt Rolfe who died later that year that is what the intern! et tells me. MY father had that photo of him on his wall until he died in 2007. James retired in 1913 so it can't be him in photo unless its a reporting mistake. I also have a younger photo of James on a horse in police iniform also a old photo of Keeler Dale born 1833 James's father my fathers great grand father. You are right in saying Sarah had a brother called Keeler up till then I had only known my father with that name also old Keeler.James lived in Auckland until his death in 1962 and his son George died in Auckland whilst living with my brother in 1990. The mix up all starts with George son of James I also didn't know my grandfather was born out of wedlock until I tried to use his birth for my Ancestry visa. As it turns out it was a family secret. James had George to Lucy Eames so there is no birth cert for a George Dale but nobody was told that until then. I had to use my Grandmother's ancestry Florence Thorigate who married George in 1923 my father's mother, I also have a photo of her. I obtained her birth cert and all relevent doc' for my visa. So George's birth name is Eames his chosen name is Dale as in his fathers name. James and George lived in close distance to each other until James died.It took a bit of searching his birth was 1902 Paddington workhouse.When he left Britain he travelled under the names Eames on the ship I gather he decided to follow his father to NZ. My only problem now is what happened to Elizabeth in 1901 did she die and who is this Florence. Both her and James are buried in Hillsbough cemetry together they were definitly married just can't find any certs. Cheers Helen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.