Dear Martin, Thank you for answering Millie's question about Czech Estate Records on the list. I think the majority of Listers are just trying to get started finding their families village name. The concept of locating an "Estate Record" has not become a problem for them yet. For me however, location of Estate Records and the information contained therein is the only "new" information I can seek. The other body of data is contained in the village chronicles (which is another topic worthy of discussion on this list). Locating Estate Records and Village Chronicles has been one of the most frustrating activities for me during the past 5 years. I want to send you several specific and difficult questions "off list", but I think there is one question that the answer might benefit the entire CZECH Mail List. The question has to do with how the Roman Catholic Church Estate Records were handled and kept? Perhaps this is not even an issue, but after much reading on my part, I have come to realize that over the centuries, the Roman Catholic Church obtained great quantities of land from European (and I assume Austrian and Czech) nobles for a variety of reasons. The holdings were used by the Church and the proceeds from the commodities raised on these lands were used to fund other church activities. I am assuming that any peasant assigned to that piece of property was considered the property of or "owned" by the Church. Thus to trace a family back in time, one would have to locate the records of that particular Church owned Estate. My question is did the Roman Catholic Church own a vast number of estates in the Czech lands? -and- If they did, were there any records kept and can one get access them? I would assume such records might be in Rome, but after the Protestant Reformation, (or at least after 1850) certain Catholic Church Estate Records may have been seized and taken to a regional land archive. An insights appreciated. Ron Mlejnek At 01:24 PM 04/17/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Millie, > >I dont know exactly where the information what I translated came from. >But generally: Estate (Dominium) affairs could be find at of State Regional >Archives "Statni Oblastni Archiv": >Central Bohemia - Statni Oblastni Archiv Praha (Prague) >Northern Bohemia - Statni Oblastni Archiv Litomerice >Southern Bohemia - Statni Oblastni Archiv Trebon >Western Bohemia - Statni Oblastni Archiv Plzen (Pilsen) >Eastern Bohemia - Statni Oblastni Archiv Zamrsk >Southern Moravia - Moravsky Zemsky Archiv Brno >Northern Moravia and Silesia - Zemsky Archiv Opava > >There are hold in fond called "Fond velkostatku....." (instead the dots >write the name of the dominium (estate). >It is necessery to know to which estate (dominium) your town or village was >belonged. >It means to know ancient administrative divisions of Bohemia and Moravia, >what is complicated. >Bohemia and Moravia consists from several regions (kraj, pl. kraje). Each >region were divided into numbers of estates and dominiums >owned by noble families, bishops, King, etc. >Maps of Moravian regions you can find here: >http://members.tripod.com/~zlimpkk/morava/kraje.html > >I live at village Morkov, Moravia. >You can find it in the maps at region Prerov and in Dominium Novy Jicin. > >In Fond Velkostatku you can find land records and another interesting >information. >But situation in various Estates were different. >I will show it in the example of situation at Zemsky Archiv Opava. >The oldest records of town Lipnik stored there starts in 1488(!) >But the oldest records of village Katerinice (Estate of Vsetin) stored there >starts in 1819(!) > >All the best, > >Martin Pytr, CZ > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Mrbkdb112@cs.com> >To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:32 PM >Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: Translation help needed > > > > Martin, I read your translation with great interest. Do records like that > > exist for other villages or estates? Are they in a place where they can >be > > searched? > > > > Where are you located? > > > > thanks...Millie > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without >permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use >Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.