Know what's funny? My grandpa William was born on St Wenceslas feast day! ----- Original Message ----- From: john.dvorak To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] "W" My grandpa was named William........so if Vaclav can mean James AND William. I guess my great grandparents didn't have much imagination! The only names different were Joseph and Frank! hmmmmmmmmmmmm....... I know nothing of my great grandmother's family, Mary Dvorak. if Anybody can track down info on that family from Muscoda, I sure would like to know. I don't know if she came with sisters or brothers or if she just came with her husband and two kids......Frank and Vandy....I would sUSPECT they both came with family members, but maybe not..... ----- Original Message ----- From: john.dvorak To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] "W" well actually. I've got two Vaclavs in my family. The father was known as Wencil or Wincel....and the son was Vandy......When Vandy's brother Frank died though, the obituary said Frank was the son of Vandy and Mary Dvorak.......so my great grandpa went through ALOT of changes in his life with his first name. Including Wenceslas, Vaclav, Vandy, Wencil, Wincel. Wenzel......Venzl, .....i forget what else ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] "W" In Chicago church records, Wenceslaus and Vaclav are used intermittently by the scribe. Naturally St Wenceslaus Church used Wenceslaus first. In Chicago Vaclav and James are one and the same. When I began to record the family, I was confused by two names in the family: Wostoupal and Vosejpka. My father told me that Wostoupal cld be spelled either way because of the pronunciation. In Czech records it is Vostaupal. The Vosejpka was not pronounced with a "W" in our family, however, I have seen it written with a "W" which didn't matter as it was still pronounced with a "V" This is, afterall, the land of free choices and they made theirs quickly. Joan Smart Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph O. Pecenka" <jpecenka@niu.edu> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] "W" > Hey, Ron! > > "Genealogical Research for Czech and Slovak Americans" by Olga K. Miller > (former Research Consultant, LDS Genealogical Library, Salt Lake City, > Utah) lists "Names" beginning on page 86. It has five parallel columns > for Czech, Slovak, Latin, German and English. In the "V--male" section > it lists in appropriate columns the following: > Vaclav Vaclav Blank Wenceslaus Wenceslaus > > So the English version of Vaclav is Wenceslaus (NOT JAMES, AMEN!). > > I agree that old Czech did contain a W, which was pronounced as a V, and > subsequently changed to a V. The current Czech alphabet does not contain > a W. > > I have never heard of a Czech name Wenzel, either with a V or W. > As you note, it is probably German. There is probably a source somewhere > that would give its English equivalent, and maybe Czech. > > If we have German readers out there maybe one of them might please > respond out of their Germanic background. > > Joe > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.688 / Virus Database: 449 - Release Date: 5/18/04 ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== List Administrator may be reached by sending an email to CZECH-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail.

John. Many Czech children were named after the name of the saint that was honored on the day they were born. Find a book on saints and names days. Joe