Dear Listers, In a report recently received from the Czech Republic, my gr gr grandmother's (Marie Janat) marriage record names her mother as ANNA nee TUPA. Her father is Antonin Janat. However, a witness to this marriage was WOJTECH TUPY. When I asked the researcher if Tupa and Tupy were the same surnames, he responded as follows: "Regarding surname of Tupa and Tupy: It is the same surname. In Czech there two forms of each surname � one male form (Tupy in this case) and one female form (Tupa in this case)." When I was explaining this surname situation to a friend (maybe relative with Tupa in her line) who's taken Czech language lessons, her response was as follows: "I did some research and, assuming the male name is Tupy, then Tupa for the female is correct. The male surname Tupa converts to Tupova for females. My questions are: 1) would Anna nee Tupa's father and brother's be called Tupy and her mother Tupa? 2) would I be correct in assuming that Wojtech Tupy could be Anna's father or brother? 3) are male surnames Tupa and Tupy are two different names? Me oh my oh, am I confused!! Thanks for any help!! Judie Mason

--=======6F23769======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-19202A26; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think there is a rational basis for answering this question and that is=20 by using the frequency of surnames in the Czech Republic. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/czgenealogy.htm AT: http://www.mvcr.cz/statistiky/jmena/muzi_p/55.html There are three forms for the male names; ie, TUPA (T with a hacek), TUPEC,= =20 and TUPY (Y with a carka). The last is more common for males. http://www.mvcr.cz/statistiky/jmena/zeny_p/56.html For females there is TUPOV=C1 (T with a hacek) , TUPCOV=C1, and TUP=C1. The= last=20 is more common for females. It looks like the TUPA and TUPOV=C1 ((T with a hacek) are one pair. TUPEC= =20 and TUPCOV=C1 are the second pair. TUP=DD and TUP=C1 are the third pair.= and the=20 most common usage today. Just a guess. ron mlejnek At 08:37 PM 09/21/2004, you wrote: >Dear Listers, > >In a report recently received from the Czech Republic, my gr gr=20 >grandmother's (Marie Janat) marriage record names her mother as ANNA nee=20 >TUPA. Her father is Antonin Janat. However, a witness to this marriage=20 >was WOJTECH TUPY. When I asked the researcher if Tupa and Tupy were the=20 >same surnames, he responded as follows: > >"Regarding surname of Tupa and Tupy: It is the same surname. In Czech=20 >there two forms of each surname =AD one male form (Tupy in this case) and= =20 >one female form (Tupa in this case)." > >When I was explaining this surname situation to a friend (maybe relative=20 >with Tupa in her line) who's taken Czech language lessons, her response=20 >was as follows: > >"I did some research and, assuming the male name is Tupy, then Tupa for=20 >the female is correct. The male surname Tupa converts to Tupova for= females. > >My questions are: >1) would Anna nee Tupa's father and brother's be called Tupy and her=20 >mother Tupa? >2) would I be correct in assuming that Wojtech Tupy could be Anna's father= =20 >or brother? >3) are male surnames Tupa and Tupy are two different names? > >Me oh my oh, am I confused!! Thanks for any help!! > >Judie Mason > > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D CZECH Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======6F23769======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-19202A26 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======6F23769=======--