Carol, BPL-TCSH also has the "Germans to America" volumes, so I could check those, too, if you don't have access to them. BPL has the PILI books, but we lost it on the Ancestry subscription. BUT.... our local LDS-FHL DOES have PILI on their Ancestry subsc. Yours may, too. I am going over there across town to the FHC Thursday 11 May for an Scots-Irish research class, so I could check if I have time. Yes, I have Fighting Scots and Irish blood in me, too, and sometimes it shows. ;) The reason I said "Bosch" is that it is a rather common German name, the medieval version of "Busch", cognate to English "Bush," French "Bosq," and Spanish "Bosque." A German sea captain or first mate might have just written down "Bosch." Anthony Carol Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: Anthony, Thank you very much for this info, and as not to impose on your valuable research time, I will make one last effort to search my local library for the additional Pili source you suggested, as well as the "Germans to America" volumes as I understand that some Bohemian individuals got listed there since they departed from that country, or might have lived there for even the very shortest of time before emigrating. This time when searching I will even scan through any and all names with beginning letters that sound the same, such as "K" vs "C" as I know the letters got interchanged (even if I remember having done some of this before). When I saw your "Bosch" for Brosch/Broz, I began wondering if I went far enough down the list to catch that spelling as well. So I'll just include all the "B's" in my search. If all fails, I'll search for "P's" or "V's" or some phonetically similar first letter as I've been use to reading phonetically spelled names in old German church records for the last three years or so. It is amazing to see how some names evolved for one spelling to another! Right now my genealogy pocketbook is limited for additional spending than the subscription I already have to Ancestry.com as it has and will continue costing a bit to have my various ancestors researched in the Czech Republic after I've found their towns of origin, so I will have to pass on that one for now. I recall the disappointment I felt at not finding more a couple years ago when I subscribed for the immigration records and spent lots of hours searching a WIDE VARIETY of soundex names. Thank you for your offer, and I will let you know if this future attempt fails to offer something more. In fact, I will let you know either way as if I find something I will be "bursting with joy" and want to share my good fortune anyway! It will probably take me awhile as one trip to the library will not provide enough time to do a thorough search. Trying to scan lists too fast, or tire my eyes by scanning over too many at once, may cause me to miss something - even as careful that I try to be. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Hubka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CZ] Baca check please Carol, Baca Volume III has just been revised in 2005 or '06, which implies that revisions of other volumes may follow. You want to know how to find the ship name? It is listed on Ancestry, sometimes with a link to a photo of the ship. It is in Baca as the underlined word following the port of entry, e.g., Baltimore, Main, Leipzig, Olbers, Bark Olbers, America, Lessing, etc. There is also PILI (Psgr. Imm. Lists Index) by P. William Filby, which I have not seen mentioned in these immigration and ships threads by anyone other than myself. It comes in about 25 volumes in book form at genealogy libraries, and is also included in some subscriptions of Ancestry.com. Unfortunately, it was recently removed from Ancestry's Library Edition. Also unfortunately, with the books, one must check from 5 to 20 volumes published every year since 1980, which can be time-consuming. There are 5-year supplements, though it is unclear to me whether these are complete summaries for the preceding 5 years. Ancestry's search engine, however, presumably searches all volumes in nano-seconds. FYI: In general, PILI refers the reader to other sources such as Baca or Rosicky, which one must then track down, but I have never failed to find a Czech ancestor of mine in PILI, both direct and collateral. Not all of the PILI sources, however, are very complete; some are, some are not. One still has to have at least some knowledge of German and Czech in order to surmise how German sea-captains and Anglo-American officials would butcher Slavic spellings. If you have no access to th above resources, please let me know, and the next time I am at BPL-TCSH&L, I will try to find some time to look up your Komrskas, Bosches, etc., but I will need more specific information on them. Anthony ====================================================== Carol Rogers wrote: Are there various versions of the different volumes of the Baca book? I've also spent quite some time looking for my Had and Broz/Brosch ancestors and remaining two Komrska brothers, but gave up on the Baca books as they didn't have anything. Should I be looking for a more recent version than what my library has? I don't have the name of the ship, however. Dolores, I was wondering how you got that information to know what ship to look for? I just have a year of emigration from census records. So I ordered a film for that year and found nothing. I also went through all the listing of passengers on the internet site for those years, as well as subscribed for one year to Ancestry.com's ship records. The only thing that subscription brought me was finding the Komrska parents (gggrfather) and five siblings - which I've since learned were "half" siblings. I was successful with finding my ggf Malecek in the Baca books, though, and lucked out in finding my ggrfather) Komrska - but I'm still missing two of his brothers as the whole family emigrated over a 5 year period. My ggrandparents Had and Broz came over as children, so the family was probably all together. Carol ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.