Hello Woody, Have you already explored the St. Albans Lists for immigrants who entered through Canada? They are on film at NARA and can be rented for a small fee. A couple of good sites for learning about this: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/poelist/CAN2.htm and http://www.webbitt.com/volga/border.htm Good Luck Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Woody Minar Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:18 AM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists VERY GOOD QUESTION! I was able to find my mother's (Bozena Janacek) venture from Mandrsjad, Czechoslovakia via Bremen and Southhampton to Ellis Island on the SS George Washington in 1913 by going to the Naitonal Archives in D.C. However, my father's parents (Ludwig Mynarz and Anna Dzik) who came from Horni Terlicko, Czechoslovakia are believed to have come via Nova Scotia then on to Phillips, Wisconsin. But we don't know if the ship came to Ellis Island, Philadelphia, or direct to Nova Scotia. Records are nonexistent in my research. Woody Minar MINAR/MYNAR/MYNARZ, DZIK/DICK, SKALA, JANACEK ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mrbkdb112@cs.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists | | | How does one go about finding passenger lists that were prior to 1892, Ellis | Island? | | That is, when you don't have any facts to go on. I know they lived in Pilsen, | and came here in 1867, but that's all I know. I've tried researching on line | but with zero results. I'm beginning to think they swam over. | | Is there a listing in Bohemia where they would have applied to go to the | U.S.? | | Millie...researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny,Svolba,Vostry | | | ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== | RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without | permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use | Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. | | ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

Hi Millie, There is a great article by Karel Kysilka that goes into detail about requirements for Bohemian emigration. It indicates the process and legal channels necessary, including where persons had to make application. He also states that many left illegally due to the requirements and/or lack of knowledge of the process. It can be found at http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/durer/23/emigration/emigration.htm Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrbkdb112@cs.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:54 PM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists Woody, that tells me I have a lot more avenues to sesrch. They could have landed anywhere. I don't even know if they started from Bremen, but I think that might have been the closest from Pilsen. They might have gone from Hamburg. Well, I'll keep trying. My search for my Mother's parents was so easy as they came in 1893 and I found them listed on the Ellis Island web site right away. I just needed to convert Joe to Josef (not Joseph) and Frank to Frantisek. If anyone knows about applications to emigrate in Bohemia, let me know. Millie ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Czech-L's webpage is at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm

Thanks, Cassandra. I have tried 1868 - 9. I can't confirm the dates as Iowa didn't do birth records that early. I only have word of mouth that they came in 1867. They were here in 1870 on the census. These people were so bad with dates that none of their ages on the later census agree, and their death certificates are not the same, even the tomb stone is different. so, I could be way off on when they came here. The records are much more accurate in the Cz Rep so I'm going to try the Archives in Pilsen. It takes 6 months to hear back from them but I don't have any other ideas. Millie, researching Herink,Stepan,Svolba,Vostry,Novotny, Cherny

Woody, that tells me I have a lot more avenues to sesrch. They could have landed anywhere. I don't even know if they started from Bremen, but I think that might have been the closest from Pilsen. They might have gone from Hamburg. Well, I'll keep trying. My search for my Mother's parents was so easy as they came in 1893 and I found them listed on the Ellis Island web site right away. I just needed to convert Joe to Josef (not Joseph) and Frank to Frantisek. If anyone knows about applications to emigrate in Bohemia, let me know. Millie

Jeff, I know for sure that my ggrandmother crossed over with two infants, but I'm puzzled as to why I can't find an Anastasia Pivonka on the passenger lists with two infants, James and Josef. I'm beginning to think that her name was mispelled. Will just have to keep searching for her !

Millie, Many of my immigrants lied about when they came over. The longer they were here, the earlier they came. They wanted to be as "American" as possible. Perhaps the reason you can't find your immigrants in 1867 is because they weren't here? If you find them in the 1870 census, maybe you can at least narrow the search to include 1868 and 1869. I think it would be worth a try. I would try to find births of children born here- that narrows the search. Also, if naturalization or declaration papers are available that helps with the dates. But many of my naturalization papers have an "exact" date of arrival and the date is wrong. You would think that such an important day as entering a new world for the first time would be so memorable that one would never forget it, but they did. Hope it helps. Cassandra -----Original Message----- From: Mrbkdb112@cs.com [mailto:Mrbkdb112@cs.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:49 AM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists How does one go about finding passenger lists that were prior to 1892, Ellis Island? That is, when you don't have any facts to go on. I know they lived in Pilsen, and came here in 1867, but that's all I know. I've tried researching on line but with zero results. I'm beginning to think they swam over. Is there a listing in Bohemia where they would have applied to go to the U.S.? Millie...researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny,Svolba,Vostry ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

VERY GOOD QUESTION! I was able to find my mother's (Bozena Janacek) venture from Mandrsjad, Czechoslovakia via Bremen and Southhampton to Ellis Island on the SS George Washington in 1913 by going to the Naitonal Archives in D.C. However, my father's parents (Ludwig Mynarz and Anna Dzik) who came from Horni Terlicko, Czechoslovakia are believed to have come via Nova Scotia then on to Phillips, Wisconsin. But we don't know if the ship came to Ellis Island, Philadelphia, or direct to Nova Scotia. Records are nonexistent in my research. Woody Minar MINAR/MYNAR/MYNARZ, DZIK/DICK, SKALA, JANACEK ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mrbkdb112@cs.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists | | | How does one go about finding passenger lists that were prior to 1892, Ellis | Island? | | That is, when you don't have any facts to go on. I know they lived in Pilsen, | and came here in 1867, but that's all I know. I've tried researching on line | but with zero results. I'm beginning to think they swam over. | | Is there a listing in Bohemia where they would have applied to go to the | U.S.? | | Millie...researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny,Svolba,Vostry | | | ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== | RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without | permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use | Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. | |

> I did not mean to shake up the list. SO SORRY Hi Jean ! You didnt shake up the list. But "IGI records at LDS" are differant than the LDS records I interpreted you discussing in your original e mail. What is there still to figure out? Post it here and maybe we can all brainstorm some ideas for you. If ya want. I have been known to do a little research for folks when I can schedule it on my trips to Czechia. Good Luck in your search. Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / HRABAC / KREISSINGER / CERMAK

I'm searching for information on my grandparents. My grandfather's name was Antone(Anton) Dessort, born in Bohemia (all I have) on 1/8/1878. His father's name was Wenzel Dessort and his mother's name was Antonia Bauer. My grandmother's name was Marie Pleier (Lang) and was born in Koenigswerth, Bohemia, Czech in the Village of Falkau on the Eger. She was born on 5/20/1879. Her father's name was Josef Pleier and her mother's name was Rosa Lang. Her mother died and she was adopted by her grandfather, Franz Lang in infancy. My name is Barbara Bodoh and you can e-mail me at babette_55@yahoo.com. Thank you. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.

Hi Mary ! Are you still on the list? I would like to request if you or someone else can tell me what Archiv the village records for Borkovice are located at ? This is the Borkovice that is S of Tabor and S of Sobeslav, about 62 miles S of Prague. Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / HRABAC / KREISSNINGER / CERMAK

Hi List Does anyone know what the ticket cost for a ship was for Adults & children to emmigrate in 1884 or thereabouts. Bremen to NYC, NY Also, form Bohemia to Bremen, was the train the most used form of transportation, I would think ? Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / HRABAC / KREISSNGER / CERMAK

Hi everybody So do I! Two of my Dvorak great uncles that came here on the SS Frisia were very young. Vandy was less than a year old, and Frank was about 3 give or take ........so yes the ages do come in fractions. Many times! ----- Original Message ----- From: SANDY FAIRCHILD To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists Hello, I too, have found family on ships lists that were written as a fraction, i.e. 6/12, or 9/12. ----- Original Message ----- From: kidos4@webtv.net Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:19 AM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists Dear Czech List, Does anyone know if infants, ages one and two years old, would be written on a passenger list? They would have traveled with their mother, whose name is written on the list. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.624 / Virus Database: 401 - Release Date: 3/15/04

How does one go about finding passenger lists that were prior to 1892, Ellis Island? That is, when you don't have any facts to go on. I know they lived in Pilsen, and came here in 1867, but that's all I know. I've tried researching on line but with zero results. I'm beginning to think they swam over. Is there a listing in Bohemia where they would have applied to go to the U.S.? Millie...researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny,Svolba,Vostry

Mike, Go to <http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and enter the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L list to search. Select 1997 and enter the search term "voyage". You'll find a post with the subject line "steerage history". Looking at that message, apparently the answer may be in the CGSI newsletter Nase Rodina of September, 1995 if you can find someone who has it. John Bohunkjoe@aol.com wrote: > Hi List ! > In 1884, can anyone tell me how long the boat trip would take, from Bremen to > New York City?? > Regards, > Mike in AZ > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech-L's webpage is at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > > >

Hello, I too, have found family on ships lists that were written as a fraction, i.e. 6/12, or 9/12. ----- Original Message ----- From: kidos4@webtv.net Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:19 AM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists Dear Czech List, Does anyone know if infants, ages one and two years old, would be written on a passenger list? They would have traveled with their mother, whose name is written on the list. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion.

In 1890 my great uncle was listed traveling with his mother - he was 9 months old. Paula

Mike, I have a copy of an 1861 advertisement from the North German Lloyd line that shows the schedule between Bremen (via Southampton) to New York City. The crossing appears to have taken exactly four weeks. I'm not certain whether the time would have been reduced by 1884; the ships in 1861 were steamers at that time also. The advertisement also shows prices. The cost of passage from Bremen to New York City was $112.50 for first-class cabin, $75 for second-class cabin, and $45 for steerage. Most of our ancestors probably traveled steerage. "These prices have to be paid in gold or its equivalent in current funds," according to the ad. Hope this helps, Jeff Nayadley (Nejedlý) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bohunkjoe@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: [CZ] # of days for the Atlantic trip? > Hi List ! > In 1884, can anyone tell me how long the boat trip would take, from Bremen to > New York City?? > Regards, > Mike in AZ

Lillian, My great-grandfather's name appears on the passenger list of the ship the family brought to America in 1863. He was two years old. I also see others on the list whose age is given as one or two years old. Jeff Nayadley (Nejedlý) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lillian Bodker" <kidos4@webtv.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Passenger Lists > Dear Czech List, Does anyone know > if infants, ages one and two years old, would be written on a passenger > list? They would have traveled with their mother, whose name is written > on the list. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. > >

Dear Czech List, Does anyone know if infants, ages one and two years old, would be written on a passenger list? They would have traveled with their mother, whose name is written on the list.

Hello Charles, Thank you for the information. None of the surnames match my ancestors, but I know now that I will have to research arrivals in later years. Lillian