Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 10:40:08 PM, you wrote: LB> Dear List, Is there any LB> information on the 1910 Federal Census that would help to discover when LB> an ancestor crossed over? Yes, there is a column for year of immigration. I wouldn't count on it being too accurate, though. Researching: APPEL, BOROWSKI, CERNOHORSKY, DEMBOWCZYK, HAAS, JUBB, PIETROWIAK, ZARAS

Dear List, Is there any information on the 1910 Federal Census that would help to discover when an ancestor crossed over?

That was great information for all. Thank you!

Maggie, Sorry I was calling you Charles. I sent a copy of the page you sent me directly to your e-mail address rather than cluttering up the list. To Pat and everyone else who looked up the information for me, a huge thank you! Joanne charles smith wrote: > Joanne, > the information is: Kostchranz, Franz 34, Bohemia; HOENSTAUFEN, 4 June 1880- > arrived into NY. That's it. Looks like he was alone, does not give village > where he was from. Sorry. > > Do you have the copy of the page I sent...if so, would you please send to me > or the list. I've cleaned my sent box and delete box out already. thanks, > maggie smith (by the way, charles is my husband and has no interest in any > genealogy - our email just has his name on it). ms > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:17 PM > Subject: [CZ] Baca Lookup--surname Kostchranz > > > My thanks to Charles Smith for the huge amount of information he copied > > for me regarding the surnames Kos and Kostohryz. I am still interested > > in a listing that is supposed to be in Baca's Volume 5, p. 78 for a > > Franz Kostchranz. I am hoping that Charles or someone else who has > > access to this book would look this up for me. I need to know the date, > > ship, port, and if there were any other family members with him. Thanks > > in advance to anyone who can help me. > > Joanne > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > > for list discussion. > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic

Hello, Yes. The 1910 census asks for the year of immigration, and whether the person was naturalized or alien. ----- Original Message ----- From: kidos4@webtv.net Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:43 PM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CZ] Re: Census Dear List, Is there any information on the 1910 Federal Census that would help to discover when an ancestor crossed over? ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) In the body include only one word: unsubscribe

Les, See http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html re the films and indexing that might be available. The ISTG is uploading lists transcribed by volunteers. And Ancestry (fee based) is also uploading indexed images of passenger lists. Like my family, your family arrived before Ellis Island was used as a processing center. Our families would have been able to walk off the ships onto American soil and go about their business. It's going to take some work and some luck if you do not have family history giving the dates and name of a ship (and one can't always trust oral history). Elaine Hello les On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, you wrote > 1874 Les

Hi Mike, In the case of my great grandmother, Leo Baca's book has her arriving in New York on May 17, 1890 on the ship Columbia. Hamburg lists said departure was May 8, 1890 for New York. The ship company was Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaf with Captain Vogelgesang, under the flag of Deutschland. The ship type was Dampschiff, and accomodation was Zwischendeck. I would think in 1884, the time would be similar since I don't think there was much in the way of sail ships going, mostly steam. Weather of course, was a factor, and if it was a direct or indirect sailing. I don't know which my relatives took, but I seem to remember 7-10 days was typical. Dorothy Bohunkjoe@aol.com wrote: >Hi List ! >In 1884, can anyone tell me how long the boat trip would take, from Bremen to >New York City?? >Regards, >Mike in AZ > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech-L's webpage is at >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > >

Dear CZECH Listers, For those of you having problems trying to figure out where you ancestors came from, I would refer you to the web site for this Mail List at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm Generally when I see Immigration Records or US Census Records, it is common for immigrants to put down Austria, Hungary, Austria-Bohemia, Austria-Moravia, Bohemia, Moravia and other places. In many cases, people traveled in groups of 3-6 or more and what one said the others basically said the same thing. Up until the end of WW I, Bohemia (Czechia), Moravia (Morava), and Schleisen (Silesia) and Galicia (Galicja) were part of the Austrian Hapsburg Empire. Slovakia ( which is basically a part of the same region of Slavic speaking peoples) was under the Hungarian Magyar Empire. This was known as the Austrio-Hungarian Empire. After WW I, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia were combined into the country of Czechoslovakia. At the end of the Velvet Revolution in 1989, Czechoslovakia ceased to exist. The country was once again divided into the Czech Republic (Bohemia and Moravia) and the Slovakia or the Slovak Republic. If your ancestor came before 1918, there was a certain amount of doubt as to where they came from, but IT DEFINITELY WAS NOT CZECHOSLOVAKIA. If they were of the German speaking population, they might say Austria even if it was in Bohemia or Moravia. If they were educated Czechs and knew German and Czech fluently, I would assume they had enough knowledge to give the correct name of their country. Generally they declared Bohemia or Moravia or Silesia or whatever. In the case of one of my great uncles, he was a Moravian working in Slovakia at the time of his immigration and so declared he was a Hungarian. You essentially have to put together all the sources you can to make a final determination. Ron Mlejnek At 08:59 AM 03/31/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I look at bohemia because when my ancestors came over, bohemia was part of >the austrian empire...... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: les spath >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:47 AM >Subject: [CZ] Bacca look ups > > >To all of us who have ancesters from Austria as the homeland where do we >turn to find our roots?. >Les > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/04 > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech Message Boards are at >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic

1874 Les ----- Original Message ----- From: "ETM" <Chook@starpower.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Bacca look ups > What years are you talking about Les? > > Elaine > > When everything is coming your way, you're in the > wrong lane. --Steven Wright > > Hello les > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, you wrote > > > To all of us who have ancesters from Austria as the > > homeland where do we turn to find our roots?. > > Les > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. >

It sounds to me like they were telling the truth <smile>. Many came here as subjects of the Emperor, referring to Austria (because that's what they left) would not have been incorrect. I never heard Czech as a spoken reference when growing up, my father always used Bohemian when referring to our heritage. I believe those who came much later were more inclined to use Czech as a reference. Elaine RAISIN: Grape with a sunburn. Hello Joan On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, you wrote > Our dear families were only human--perhaps they admitted to being Austrian > because they were under the Austrian empire. On my grandfather's > naturalization he had to refute the "Austrian emperor." > Joan Peterson

What years are you talking about Les? Elaine When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. --Steven Wright Hello les On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, you wrote > To all of us who have ancesters from Austria as the > homeland where do we turn to find our roots?. > Les

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My father in law's naturalization papers say Austria also in 1910, and he was from Austria. Which later became Czech. The borders changed. But when he left there in 1907, he was from Austria. After the war, the borders changed and government. It is the same as early birth records in America. My great great grandmother was born in Northampton Co, PA. Today that same house stands in Luzerne Co. The borders changed as County governments changed, population increased, etc. I have purchased or copied in Libraries, wherever I could find them...maps of different years showing borders as they were in "those" years. It helps me find their records (sometimes) Sometimes nothing helps. gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <thimbels@srt.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] Bacca look ups > Our dear families were only human--perhaps they admitted to being Austrian > because they were under the Austrian empire. On my grandfather's > naturalization he had to refute the "Austrian emperor." > > Joan Peterson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SANDY FAIRCHILD" <co_sandy@msn.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CZ] Bacca look ups > > > > It certainly did! All my Czech ancestors are excluded from the books for > that very reason. They also claimed to be Austrian. Much homeland pride me > thinks. > > Sandy > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. >

I am beginning to have difficulty reading some of the handwriting in the books at the Czech archives. Is there anyone out there that has an expertise in reading the gothic, german, latin and horrendous handwriting that sometimes occurs? Of course, there is a very good probability that my ancestors were elsewhere during the 1700's.........sometimes I think that my family was originally Roma????? thanks, judi

Our dear families were only human--perhaps they admitted to being Austrian because they were under the Austrian empire. On my grandfather's naturalization he had to refute the "Austrian emperor." Joan Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "SANDY FAIRCHILD" <co_sandy@msn.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] Bacca look ups > It certainly did! All my Czech ancestors are excluded from the books for that very reason. They also claimed to be Austrian. Much homeland pride me thinks. > Sandy

To Ken You answered my question with your summary of the Leo Baca books. "Emigrants with German sounding names who gave their origin as Austria .......were omitted" That fits my ancestors to a T. Their name was Herink ,which was originally Herring before they emigrated to Bohemia in 1400 or so, where they changed the spelling so it would sound more Czech-like. And, they would have given their country as Austria. No doubt they were not included in the list. Thanks..Millie

I look at bohemia because when my ancestors came over, bohemia was part of the austrian empire...... ----- Original Message ----- From: les spath To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: [CZ] Bacca look ups To all of us who have ancesters from Austria as the homeland where do we turn to find our roots?. Les ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring and/or lose subscription privileges. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/04

To all of us who have ancesters from Austria as the homeland where do we turn to find our roots?. Les

Mine was I truely believe, listed in the Baca books because I found a family of father, mother, two children out of four total (that survived infancy anyways).....in the Baca lists, and, the ages of the children are right on, and nobody knew the actual ages of my great grandparents when they died, so nobody knew their birth year or date either......so what I'm thinking is, THEY ARE MINE!!!!! I'm still reeling from the story of how Vandy died! SO SAD...... John ----- Original Message ----- From: charles smith To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] Baca Lookup--surname Kostchranz Actually, Leo Baca does list the towns they were from IF they were listed....at least that has been my experience. I believe he lists what's shown - he normally did not list those from "Austria" but sometimes (thank goodness, he does pick them up because one of mine was listed like that) and the name was changed by the captain from Sery to Sherry.... I asked him last month if he would be coming out with a new volume and he said no because he used to rent the film from Heritage Quest and they no longer rent them out. Maggie Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Fink" <wolibra@worldnet.att.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] Baca Lookup--surname Kostchranz > Hi Joanne, I have volume 5 and on page 78 There is a Kostchranz,Franz > 34,Bohemia, Hohenstaufen,4June1880 > the port is New York and he was alone.Baca does not list the towns that the > people were from. Hope this helps > Regards, Pat in Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:17 PM > Subject: [CZ] Baca Lookup--surname Kostchranz > > > > My thanks to Charles Smith for the huge amount of information he copied > > for me regarding the surnames Kos and Kostohryz. I am still interested > > in a listing that is supposed to be in Baca's Volume 5, p. 78 for a > > Franz Kostchranz. I am hoping that Charles or someone else who has > > access to this book would look this up for me. I need to know the date, > > ship, port, and if there were any other family members with him. Thanks > > in advance to anyone who can help me. > > Joanne > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > > for list discussion. > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech-L's webpage is at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/04

I only own one of Leo Baca's books but have search most of them at libraries. The introduction to the books may in part answer your question. This is part of the introduction to Volume VIII - Czech Immigration Passenger Lists Baltimore 1834-1879 "Volume VIII documents the arrival of Czech immgrants in Baltimore during 1834-1879. I was able to identify 28,125 arrivals in Baltimore during this time period. All of their names were abstracted from 31 rolls of National Archives microfilm. The follow is a summary by year of those that were abstracted:" He then lists the number of names he found for each year from 1834 to 1879. Then the introduction continues with "Every attempt has been made to make those abstracts as complete as posible. None the less, there are significant problems. Besides the usual problem with spelling, Czech arrivals who gave their country of origin as Germany gave me considerable difficulties. In addition, Czechs who had Germanic sounding names and who listed Germany or Austria as their country of origin will probably be omitted. . . ." So if a passenger arrival indicated Russia as there country of origin, I doubt Leo even considered including them on the list. If you've every done much work with microfilm rolls back at this time, the "usual problem with spelling" can really be quite an issue. Some lists seem to have faded signifacantly and are very difficult to read. Some of the ships captains (usually German) handwritting and spelling script is difficult to understand even when names were spelled correctly not to mention the problem of misspelled names. If your Czech name had a German spelling equivlant, often the name was record in its German form since that was the offical language of the Austrian Empire (which included Bohemia & Moravia) during this time period. I have been very forturate to find most but not all of my ancestors in Baca's lists, but some were not were I thought they'd be. For example, A Shavlik (as it's spelled here in America would have been spelled S'avlik (with a hacek over the S) when written in Czech, but was found under Schawlik, its German form. I also found in Baca's lists brother to my Kruta ancestor that came on the same ship listed as Bruta. On the original document, the script the captain used, the K and B are quite similar and if you're not really sure what you are looking for, it is easy to miss them.