Hey, Mike in AZ! You may have had a black (Cerny in Czech) marrying a black (Schwarz in German)! Note the additional spelling variation for your SWARTZ~SVARC.) I had a guy here in town, also a Cerny, as a black marrying a white (Blanche in Frency). Joe

Hi, Bill. Good luck on your search. As you do, you should be aware that some of the surnames you listed are in the feminine form, so you also need to look out for: CeRvenka (not the possible misspelling), Kriz, Zvonicek, Kucera, and possibly Balef. Joe

I to have Cerny on my tree. My 3xgrandmother was Josephine Cerny b. 1857 to John Cerny, listed from just, Bohemia. I have no clue where to start with this line. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bohunkjoe@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: [CZ] CERNY ...for Bill > Hi Bill ! > Maybe weve discusssed already..... > but where are your CERNY's from ? > Mine were from Prague, but Ive not researched that branch yet. > ANNA CERNY marr. Frank SVARC in 1872 ( in Praha ?) and emmigrated to Coal > City, Grundy Co, IL in 1886. There were other CERNY's in Coal City, its not known > by me if they were all related. > > Mike in AZ > SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / HRABAC / KREISSINGER / CERMAK > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. > > >

dear list i have the following family surnames that i am researching for any information that you might know about most of these names are in Vodnany and Drazkov,czech and around that area in czech. Cevenka,krizova,zvonickova,likarova,balfova,bares,panzner,ladman,stadler, kucerova,cerny,blonk,pachlerpelant and thiel. thank you for any information bill panzner billyjp@tampabay.rr.com

This is a forwarded message From: Jim <jim.sladek@att.net> To: "Czech List [lists]" <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 16, 2004, 7:20:31 PM Subject: What is ancestry of Josef V Sladek? Does anyone know if there is a published ancestry available for the poet Josef Vaclav Sladek (1845-1912)? He was born in Zbiroh (south west of Beroun) not far from my 17th & 18th century ancestors. Thanks in advance, Jim Sladek

The following surnames have been added to the Czech Surname list at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/czsurname.htm CHERNEY DUKATNIK JIRELE JOSEPH KVETNESKY MRAZ VASIK ZIMPRICH ZISKA There is an accumulating number of duplicate surnames so I will try to post the "new ones" as they are added. It might be a way to locate someone else working on the same family. Ron Mlejnek

I don't know if I ever answered this or not. If not, I beg your pardon, many times over.......I should have stated that my great grandparents came over BEFORE Ellis Island.....I found them in the Leo Baca series in the year 1881. This was pretty well before Ellis Island existed..... John Dvorak ----- Original Message ----- From: List Administration To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [CZ] DVORAK, FRANK FOUND! This is a forwarded message From: Henry Kuska <kuska@neo.rr.com> To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, April 18, 2003, 10:09:50 PM Subject: [CZ] DVORAK, FRANK FOUND! ===8<==============Original message text=============== One possible way to find the village of origin is to go to the Ellis Island site and look at the Frank (Frantisek) Dvoraks. From their age and year of arrival you can determine which were born in 1878. Hopefully the town of origin and possibly the father's first name will be listed. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html Good luck, Henry Kuska, retired kuska@neo.rr.com http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/ ===8<===========End of original message text=========== ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Czech-L's webpage is at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 3/29/04

Thank you, Ron - this gives us insights of things we often haven't even thought about! Molly Ron Mlejnek wrote: > ------------------ The Czechs in America 1633-1977 by Vera Laska > -------------------- > > Part 4 > > The characteristic features of Czech immigration to America were: > > A high percentage of skilled labor and literacy rate. > > The ideological division between Catholics and freethinkers, > much more pronounced in America than in the homeland. This contributed > to a duplication of fraternal and cultural organizations, the benefit of > which to the Czechs or to America is highly debatable. > > From America the group contributed immeasurably to the creation > of an independent republic in the former homeland by lobbying to > influence American public opinion and by financing the liberation of the > country, whose Declaration of Independence and Constitution bear > striking similarities to the American documents of freedom. > > Vera Laska > Regis College > Weston, Massachusetts > > > -------- end of Forward --------- > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. > >

Ron, Many, many thanks. Lillian

------------------ The Czechs in America 1633-1977 by Vera Laska -------------------- Part 3 The motivations of the Czech immigrants up to World War I were economic and partially political. Luring the 20th century three smaller waves of refugees came through the 93golden door," all three characterized by a large proportion of intellectuals seeking freedom as a consequence of the political events of 1938, 1948 and 1968. In the case of 1938 the expelling force was combined with religious persecution of Czechs of the Jewish faith. The Czech immigrants came with their families; they came to stay. They were settlers, not seekers of dollars to be repatriated. They were mostly simple farmers, laborers, artisans and tradesmen, hoping to own their own homes. They contributed to the mainstream of America not only as hewers of wood and drawers of water, but also their skills, music and humor. They brought as a dowry their traditional respect and love for learning and for freedom of conscience. It is significant that the three national leaders, Hus, Komensky and Masaryk, were teachers and protestants [small p intentional]. The nation produced a St. Wenceslas but also a Svejk, the "New World Symphony" as well as the "Beer Barrel Polka". -------- end of Part 3 ---------

------------------ The Czechs in America 1633-1977 by Vera Laska -------------------- Part 4 The characteristic features of Czech immigration to America were: A high percentage of skilled labor and literacy rate. The ideological division between Catholics and freethinkers, much more pronounced in America than in the homeland. This contributed to a duplication of fraternal and cultural organizations, the benefit of which to the Czechs or to America is highly debatable. From America the group contributed immeasurably to the creation of an independent republic in the former homeland by lobbying to influence American public opinion and by financing the liberation of the country, whose Declaration of Independence and Constitution bear striking similarities to the American documents of freedom. Vera Laska Regis College Weston, Massachusetts -------- end of Forward ---------

------------------ The Czechs in America 1633-1977 by Vera Laska -------------------- Part 2 A few individuals reached the New World in early colonial times, and the Moravians belong at least ideologically into the Czech group, although there were more Germans than Czechs among them. Czechs started arriving in larger numbers after the 1848 revolution. By the 1880's the group was well established. The awakening nationalism in the mother country was mirrored in the Czech communities in the United States. As the Catholic Church had been a tool of the oppressive Austrian State, the resentment against both manifested itself the moment the Czechs reached the free shores of America: at least half of them left the church. This helps explain the large number of freethinkers among them. A radical faction were atheists, but the majority of freethinkers were agnostics, and their ideologies corresponded to those of Franklin and Jefferson as well as to those of Tom Paine. The Czechs have been deeply loyal to their new homeland. Their press facilitated naturalization. Yet they were also ardent Czech patriots, as is clearly evident from their publications. In a free atmosphere they spoke out for their muzzled former compatriots and blasted in no uncertain terms the Hapsburg Kaiser. It was with the moral and financial support of their kinsmen in America, that the Czechs during World War I regained their independence, and after World War II achieved freedom from nazism. In the former case, the liberation movement was led by professor Tomas Masaryk, who had an American wife. The agreement of the Czechs and Slovaks - who for the last thousand years were under Hungarian rule - to join together in forming the Czechoslovak Republic, was formally signed in Pittsburgh, their Declaration of Independence in Washington, D.C. -------- end of part 2 ---------

I have just checked a book out of a local library entitled "The Czechs in America 1633-1977" compiled and edited by Vera Laska(1978)152 pages. It is a short book and somewhat difficult to read, but I thought the subscribers to the CZECH Mail List might enjoy reading the "Forward" remarks. It summarizes the "Czech" experience (at least the affluent and educated ones) rather well. I decided to scan the 2 pages of the forward remarks and convert them to text. I will split it into 4 parts so that it does not appreciably effect download time. I will use the same subject line so if it is not what you want to read, just delete each posting with that subject. Ron Mlejnek ------------------ The Czechs in America 1633-1977 by Vera Laska -------------------- EDITOR'S FOREWORD Their historical background helps explain the motivations and behavior of the Czechs who settled in America. Their Christian ruler Vaclav, known from the carol "Good King Wenceslas", died in 929 and became the first Czech saint. The Czechs and Moravians developed under western influence. "Bohemian" is synonymous with "Czech" the latter being the preferred modern usage. It denotes the inhabitants of both Bohemia and Moravia. Jan Hus, rector of the university founded in 1348 in Prague, was a national as well as religious reformer. A century before Luther, he preached in his native tongue against the corruption in the church; he was burnt at the stake in 1415. After the Battle on the White Mountain, in the year that the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, the independence of the Czech Kingdom became restricted for three centuries. The counter-reformation forced hundreds of non-Catholics to leave the country, among them the bishop of the Unity of Brethren, Jan Amos Komensky (Comenius), father of modern education. They scattered in Poland, Hungary, Sweden, Holland and England. One group found refuge in Saxony. It was from this branch, by now Germanized, that in the early 18th century immigrants set out for America as Moravian Brethren. -------- end of part 1 ---------

Dear Collectors, a short reminder that our Auction of Postal Stationery & Postal History #20 closes on 18th April 2004 at 18am (CET). It contains approximately 3,500 different lots. The largest portion comprises mostly of items from former Czechoslovakia for the period of 1918-1939, followed by items from the Protectorate Bohemia & Moravia and Slovakia. Other items of interest include items from Germany and Austria, and there are numerous items from the D.P. Camps (concentration camps); various advertising items as well as Air Mail and Prephilately items. All prices shown are in Czech Crowns (CZK), and the exchange rate at the time of printing is approximately as follows: 1000 CZK = 30.26 Euros, or 1000 CZK = $37.40 US You may check out the latest exchange rates at www.xe.com/ucc Should you need any assistance with translation from Czech to different languages we'd be very pleased to assist you at no charge. You may also view this auction online at our web site, www.pac-auction.com Yours faithfully Milan Cernik

Martin, I read your translation with great interest. Do records like that exist for other villages or estates? Are they in a place where they can be searched? Where are you located? thanks...Millie

Below is a schedule of The Czech Heritage Conference that will be held in the Czech Republic in September. This was forwarded to me from a friend of ours that has organized this conference. Czech Heritage Conference 2004 Arrival Day: 27.9.2004 Monday collecting people at the Prague airport- transfer to Celakovice-CMC Residence and Conference Inn 1900 hrs - dinner Day One: 28.9.2004 Tuesday 730-900 breakfast 900-9:45 Overview of the Czech Republic- Prof. Ivan Fisera, CMC faculty 10:00-10:45 Overview of the Czech history, also when lands were part of Austro-Hungarian Empire- time when many emigrants left for abroad- PhDr. Vladimir Novak coffee break 11:00-11:45 Czech Lesson- Nina Novak 11:45-12:30 Coming To Texas- Joe Skalicky, Linda Skalicky Moore, Judy Vondra 12:30-13:30 lunch 14:00 Afternoon half daytrip with visit of a company: one bus to Brewery Klaster and second bus to glassworks Podebrady 19:00 Return back to CMC- transfer to "Medieval time dinner to Villa Dreucici" - 4 km from celakovice- sponsored by a company/bank Day Two 29.9.2004 Wednesday 7:30-9:00 breakfast 9:00-9:20 Welcome word given by Ambassador from US embassy in the Czech Republic 9:20-10:00 Czech heritage societies in the world Coffee break 10:15-11:00 czech Heritage abroad: Argentina- Mr. Stanislav Kazecky 11:00-12:30 Overview about Czech communities in the world- discussion 12:30-13:30 lunch at CMC 14:00 Sightseeing tour to Prague- walking tour of Prague castle and Oldtown square 19:00 Farewell Dinner with Polka- Folks band playing Czech and German Music- with dancing - place- Brandys castle/former castle of Karl Habsburg/- say good bye word by Karl Habsburg Day Three 30.9.2004 Thursday 8:00 breakfast on the boat on Elbe river, cruise with life jazz band 10:00 choice DVD Czech movie projection in the Conference hall or shopping tour to Prague 12:30 lunch at CMC check out or individual further stay at CMC NEXT DAYS; special arrangement for your individual visit to different places: villages, your ancestors graves. It is possible to rent car and English speaking guide. Sightseeing tours to other places or interest of the Czech Republic . Historical towns Cesky Krumlov, Karlovy Vary, Marianske Lazne, Telc - UNESCO Czech Heritage places, etc. http://www.hotel.cmc.cz/ For further info contact: Judy Vondra vonward@txucom.net Any information I can share during our speech would be appreciated.

Czech & Slovak American Genealogy Society of Illinois (CSAGSI) has as a current project the indexing of the internments. I don't know how the project is going or what the status of data entry is, but one day the index should be available from their "store" at their website (www.csagsi.org). Jim Sladek ETM wrote: > I believe the Chicago Society may sell a CD listing them > (can someone from Chicago confirm that?). > > Elaine > > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal > from many is research. --Steven Wright > > Hello kathy > > On Saturday, April 10, 2004, you wrote > > >>Is their a web-site that lists the interments in this cemetery?? > > >>Thanks >>K Hribal

I believe that the last date is 1953, not 1956. However, I am now attempting to obtain the film as an inter-library loan, through the Wisconsin Historical Society. - ---- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Hrdina" <ozfch@powerup.com.au> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] LDS films--for Lorraine > Hi > > Looking at the dates on that film I think I have the reason it is not > available till 2006. The last date is 1956 2006 is 50 years and copywrite > laws are such that 50 years is the not available period for reproduction of > anything in copywrite without payment of a fee. Which could get prohibitive. > > You most probably could look at the thing is Salt Lake City. Alternately > check if there is a film that only goes to cc 1953 which will be out of > copywrite. > > Frances Hrdina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorraine Richard" <loriles@famvid.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:43 AM > Subject: Re: [CZ] LDS films--for Lorraine > > > > The film that I ordered on March 20, 2001 from the LDS in Appleton, WI, > > was #1373862, Baltimore Passenger Lists 1897-1952 NARA T520-38 (T-632 to > > V-500). Thge latest word is that it will not be available until 2006. > > > > I have tried ordering directly from NARA but they do not lend out films to > > individuals. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> > > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:01 AM > > Subject: [CZ] LDS films--for Lorraine > > > > > > > I had no trouble ordering Baltimore passenger lists from my local Family > > > History Center. I recently ordered Film # 417414 (5/15/1880 thru > > > 12/22/1880) and #417420 (9/8/1883 thru 5/31/1884) and they arrived in > > > about 2 weeks. I would double-check your numbers against the actual > > > numbers they ordered. Maybe they made a mistake. > > > > > > Joanne > > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > > Czech Message Boards are at > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without > permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use > Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > >

Thanks for all the help! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ETM" <Chook@starpower.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] BNCemetary in Chicago > See > > http://www.chgogs.org/books.html > > for information on what is available. > > Elaine > > Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? > > Hello ETM > > On Saturday, April 10, 2004, you wrote > > > I believe the Chicago Society may sell a CD listing them > > (can someone from Chicago confirm that?). > > > Elaine > > > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal > > from many is research. --Steven Wright > > > Hello kathy > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2004, you wrote > > >> Is their a web-site that lists the interments in this cemetery?? > > >> Thanks > >> K Hribal > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic >

See http://www.chgogs.org/books.html for information on what is available. Elaine Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? Hello ETM On Saturday, April 10, 2004, you wrote > I believe the Chicago Society may sell a CD listing them > (can someone from Chicago confirm that?). > Elaine > To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal > from many is research. --Steven Wright > Hello kathy > On Saturday, April 10, 2004, you wrote >> Is their a web-site that lists the interments in this cemetery?? >> Thanks >> K Hribal