At 06:54 AM 5/11/2004, you wrote: >Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. The only >down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map directions >are not in English. Thanks much Susan for the map. Since I do not speak Czech, I wonder if SKS would give me a phonetic (as best as possible) on a city that I found: Melnik !! Thanks much in advance Lorraine Moore Baton Rouge, LA

My grandfather, Jacob SALABA, came to Chicago around 1889. He was born in 1971, in Bohemia, about five miles (so he said) from Prague, yet within walking distance from the Black Forest that separated Bohemia from Germany. He walked into Germany daily to work. He left there with his cousin, Joseph KAMBA, aboard a ship (as a stowaway, says my aunt). He was 18 and his cousin was a few years younger. They left to avoid being conscripted into the German army. He had skills as a shoe maker, maybe farming and made his living in Chicago as a worker in the stockyards. He was Catholic. The town he was from had four letters (as I remember), this was only a recollection. Thank you. Elizabeth (Betty) Mayian bmayian@rcnchicago.com

Hello all, The following URL takes you to a site with a very good synopsis of the naturalization process and regulations: http://home.att.net/~arnielang/ship08.html Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: johnF Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:58 PM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Naturalization Laws - Chronological Order Ron Mlejnek wrote: > The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has > been brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect > that the regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in > different ways in different locations at different times. > > It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in > their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps > this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. > However, no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct > so if anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien > registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can > benefit. The book "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How to Use Them" by John J. Newman might be useful. ISBN:1-877677-91-4. LOC 98-71939. Copyright 1985, 1998, second edition by Heritage Quest. It is a paperback, 127 pages with lots of illustrations of forms, end notes, bibliographical info, etc that is useful to the researcher. There is an appendix that lists categories of records with time periods for changes in requirements. If your library doesn't have it, maybe they can get it via ILL. John ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring and/or lose subscription privileges.

Thank you for the reference John. Heritage Quest is also an on-line source so I will check there for availability. If I find anything specific that fits the time period between 1850 and 1920, I will post it to the list. Heritage Quest allows the downloading of PDF files. Ron Mlejnek At 04:48 PM 05/10/2004, you wrote: >Ron Mlejnek wrote: >>The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has >>been brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect >>that the regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in >>different ways in different locations at different times. >>It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in >>their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps >>this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. >>However, no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct >>so if anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien >>registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can benefit. > >The book "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How >to Use Them" by John J. Newman might be useful. ISBN:1-877677-91-4. >LOC 98-71939. Copyright 1985, 1998, second edition by Heritage Quest. It >is a paperback, 127 pages with lots of illustrations of forms, end notes, >bibliographical info, etc that is useful to the researcher. There is an >appendix that lists categories of records with time periods for changes in >requirements. If your library doesn't have it, maybe they can get it via ILL. > >John > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges.

Jitka, Can you provide the subscribers with a list of villages that have 700 year historical books available so that we can order them? At this time I sense some confusion about what villages are involved and how to order the books. Secondly, what is the conference you are attending? Details? Ron Mlejnek

At 04:48 PM 5/10/2004, you wrote: >The book "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How >to Use Them" by John J. Newman might be useful. ISBN:1-877677-91-4. >LOC 98-71939. Copyright 1985, 1998, second edition by Heritage Quest. It >is a paperback, 127 pages with lots of illustrations of forms, end notes, >bibliographical info, etc that is useful to the researcher. There is an >appendix that lists categories of records with time periods for changes in >requirements. If your library doesn't have it, maybe they can get it via ILL. I just ordered the book on Amazon.com -- less than $15 and I bought another book and used the "free shipping" so it will be shipped to me in the next 10 to 14 days -- it may come while I am on my research trip to IN and IL!!! Thanks much for the information. It may help me with some of the ancestors' records I cannot find through the various NARA Regional Offices. Lorraine Baton Rouge, LA

Back to Kansas, United States. Do you have any pictures of this city? Send them to us and we'll show them to thousands of people! Planning a vacation? Current weather forecast for Cuba, KS Population (year 2000): 231 Males: 112 (48.5%), Females: 119 (51.5%) Elevation: 1590 feet County: Republic Land area: 0.3 square miles Zip code: 66940 Median resident age: 46.6 years Median household income: $28,333 (year 2000) Median house value: $19,000 (year 2000) New: Cuba, KS residents, houses, and apartments details Races in Cuba: White Non-Hispanic (95.2%) Hispanic (3.0%) American Indian (1.7%) Two or more races (1.3%) (Total can be greater than 100% because Hispanics could be counted in other races) Ancestries: Czech (35.5%), German (15.6%), English (13.4%), Swedish (13.4%), Irish (8.2%), United States (6.9%). For population 25 years and over in Cuba High school or higher: 88.6% Bachelor's degree or higher: 15.6% Graduate or professional degree: 3.6% Unemployed: 2.0% Mean travel time to work: 18.5 minutes For population 15 years and over in Cuba city Never married: 13.3% Now married: 66.5% Separated: 0.0% Widowed: 16.0% Divorced: 4.3% 0.0% Foreign born Nearest city with pop. 50,000+: Lincoln, NE (88.0 miles, pop. 225,581). Nearest city with pop. 1,000,000+: Dallas, TX (486.5 miles, pop. 1,188,580). Nearest cities: Belleville, KS (12.0 miles), Clyde, KS (15.1 miles), Chester, NE (18.2 miles), Clifton, KS (20.3 miles), Concordia, KS (21.2 miles), Scandia, KS (22.4 miles), Hebron, NE (26.8 miles), Linn, KS (26.9 miles). Area code: 785 Industries providing employment: Educational,health and social services (26.5%), Manufacturing (12.2%), Arts,entertainment,recreation,accommodation and food services (10.2%). Average weather in Cuba, Kansas Based on data reported by over 4,000 weather stations JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec Average temp. (°F)25.731.441.652.262.572.978.276.067.054.939.829.1 High temperature (°F)36.142.553.364.173.884.790.087.779.267.250.539.0 Low temperature (°F)15.320.329.840.251.161.066.464.354.842.629.019.2 Precipitation (in)0.70.82.42.74.44.24.03.62.92.11.70.9 Back to the top Normal climate around Cuba, Kansas Based on data reported by main weather stations JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec Days with precip.55891110998655 Wind speed (mph)11.712.113.413.812.111.711.310.911.211.611.811.5 Morning humidity (%)787978808484818382788079 Afternoon humidity (%)676459576159565958556367 Sunshine (%)646363656776787670685957 Days clear of clouds11999810141313131010 Partly cloudy days777891010107777 Cloudy days1313151313107810111314 Snowfall (in)5.65.43.40.70.00.00.00.00.00.32.14.2 Hospitals/medical centers near Cuba: REPUBLIC COUNTY HOSPITAL (about 12 miles; BELLEVILLE, KS) CLOUD COUNTY HEALTH CENTER (about 21 miles; CONCORDIA, KS) THAYER COUNTY HEALTH SERVICES (about 26 miles; HEBRON, NE) Airports certified for carrier operations nearest to Cuba: SALINA MUNI (about 72 miles; SALINA, KS; ID: SLN) MANHATTAN RGNL (about 72 miles; MANHATTAN, KS; ID: MHK) HASTINGS MUNI (about 87 miles; HASTINGS, NE; ID: HSI) Other public-use airports nearest to Cuba: BELLEVILLE MUNI (about 14 miles; BELLEVILLE, KS; ID: RPB) BLOSSER MUNI (about 23 miles; CONCORDIA, KS; ID: CNK) HEBRON MUNI (about 26 miles; HEBRON, NE; ID: HJH) FOR MORE INFORMATION...GO TO GOOGLE....THEN PUT IN CUBA, KS

Ron Mlejnek wrote: > The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has > been brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect > that the regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in > different ways in different locations at different times. > > It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in > their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps > this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. > However, no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct > so if anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien > registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can > benefit. The book "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How to Use Them" by John J. Newman might be useful. ISBN:1-877677-91-4. LOC 98-71939. Copyright 1985, 1998, second edition by Heritage Quest. It is a paperback, 127 pages with lots of illustrations of forms, end notes, bibliographical info, etc that is useful to the researcher. There is an appendix that lists categories of records with time periods for changes in requirements. If your library doesn't have it, maybe they can get it via ILL. John

Charlie Osgood's weekly show on CBS had a fairly long section on Cuba, KS yesterday morning. You might go to the CBS show. Also, this month's National Geographic (May 2000) has an article on Cuba. I was particularly interested in it because I grew up about 30 miles west of Cuba (my mother was Czech). It is a Czech community with a population of 231. I have the article if you have any specific questions. -Molly in MO Clayton A Olson wrote: > Hello list. Can anyone tell me any info on the small town of Cuba, Ks. > seems it's a Czech community and may be on the vacation list. Thank you > C&C > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > >

I think your observations are correct; ie, they do not always understand the question. I am not so certain that it is just a lack of knowledge and training. Whether it be the Czech Archives in Prague or the smallest jurisdiction in the USA, you get different answers from different folks. A "negative result" does NOT mean an answer does not exist. This is the most frustrating part about family history research. Basically one cannot take "No" for an answer without constantly checking various sources. Some are incompetent, some are stupid, some are politicaly motivated, some are lazy, and others are just plain liars. Whether it be a government agency, a relative, or a volunteer someplace, one always has to be skeptical about what they DO NOT find. As I am finding out the hard way, FHC films are a good way of locating facts, especially in the US. Having a good FHC resource nearby and persons who know how to use that resource is about as good as it gets. Ron Mlejnek > > From: "Joan" <thimbels@srt.com> > Date: 2004/05/10 Mon AM 08:49:03 CDT > To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CZ] Naturalization Laws - Chronological Order > > After having requested several dates from NARA, I find that the personnel > there are remiss in their interpretation of one's request. Their numerics > and alphabet are minimal in attempts to answer one's question. I hesitate > to waste time asking for names or dates and it seems that no one there > oversees the final answer. I'm beginning to wonder if the personnel are > not kindergarten trainees. > Joan Peterson > > Subject: Re: [CZ] Naturalization Laws - Chronological Order > > > > seen at NARA, the most I might find is an index card of the > > proceeding in court that day, perhaps the person's name and > > the name of the witnesses, a country, but not a village. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. > >

After having requested several dates from NARA, I find that the personnel there are remiss in their interpretation of one's request. Their numerics and alphabet are minimal in attempts to answer one's question. I hesitate to waste time asking for names or dates and it seems that no one there oversees the final answer. I'm beginning to wonder if the personnel are not kindergarten trainees. Joan Peterson Subject: Re: [CZ] Naturalization Laws - Chronological Order > seen at NARA, the most I might find is an index card of the > proceeding in court that day, perhaps the person's name and > the name of the witnesses, a country, but not a village. > > >

there is a big article in either this month or last month national geographic on this town, Maggie Smith in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton A Olson" <claycleo@juno.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 8:37 PM Subject: [CZ] cuba > Hello list. Can anyone tell me any info on the small town of Cuba, Ks. > seems it's a Czech community and may be on the vacation list. Thank you > C&C > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > >

Hello list. Can anyone tell me any info on the small town of Cuba, Ks. seems it's a Czech community and may be on the vacation list. Thank you C&C

Thank you Shirley, George, Woody and Ron for your suggestions. I will certainly follow up on your most welcome help. I will let the list know. Again, thank you. Janice in AZ

Elaine, I too had searched for naturalization records for my great-grandfather in Cook County (Chicago) Illinois. I knew from the 1892 Voter Registration List I viewed on Ancestry.com that he had been naturalized in the Superior Court of Cook County. I wrote to Northeast Illinois University in Chicago who holds many of the vital records and indexes for the city of Chicago. They sent me a copy of an index card which only gave the date of naturalization which I already knew from the Voter Registration List. They told me that was the only remaining record in existence. Not being satisfied and being stubborn, I decided to attack the problem another way. At familysearch.org I found that the Family History Library in Salt Lake City had 7 microfilms of Declarations of Intention 1871-1906 for the Superior Court of Cook County. I ordered the one covering 1876 thru 1886. It was rather tedious, but I searched the records on the microfilm one by one and I was rather lucky to find a copy of the acutual Declaration of Intention for citizenship for my great-grandfather dated Oct. 29, 1880 (signed with an X as his mark!) It still didn't give me the immigration information I had hoped for, but it does show that he is renouncing allegiance to the Emperor of Austria--and it's a lot better than just having a copy of an index card. If you're looking for naturalization records for Chicago, I would suggest searching the holdings of the Family History Library at familysearch.org to see what might be available for you. Joanne ETM wrote: > Prior to the formalization of the process in 1905 > naturalization "proceedings" appear to have been haphazard. > Note that my interest is in possible naturalization > proceedings for my grandparents and their families in about > 1870-80 in Cook County (Chicago) Illinois. From what I have > seen at NARA, the most I might find is an index card of the > proceeding in court that day, perhaps the person's name and > the name of the witnesses, a country, but not a village. > > *IF* there is a Declaration of Intent found there may be > more information and some have lucked out finding such a > document but they appear to be few and far between prior to > 1905. > > Elaine > > "Dates: 1871-1929 > Courts: Superior, Circuit, County and Criminal Courts of Cook County > (Naturalization records produced by other Cook County towns, such as Blue Island and Calumet City, are not included) > Includes: May include declaration of intent, petition, and/or court order. Declarations of intent filed elsewhere may contain more information. > > 1904-1906 Name, date of naturalization; possibly address & witness > 1904-1906 Above, plus generally include town of birth, port of departure, date and port of arrival, occupation, witnesses > 1906-1929 Above, plus wife's name and date of birth; children's names and dates of birth; physical description of petitioner > > Indexes: National Archives Soundex Naturalization Index > (Microfilm), 1840-1950 (for Northern Illinois and parts of > Iowa, Wisconsin, and Indiana) " > > http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/Archives_/Archive_Holdings/archive_holdings.htm > > Hello Ron > > On Sunday, May 9, 2004, you wrote > > > The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has been > > brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect that the > > regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in different ways in > > different locations at different times. > > > It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in > > their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps > > this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. However, > > no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct so if > > anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien > > registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can benefit. > > > The following is the official historical guidelines based on the Department > > of Immigration and Naturalization: > > > http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/index.htm > > > See: > > > <http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/463.htm>28. > > Immigration Act of February 20, 1907 (34 Statutes-at-Large 898) > > > Ron Mlejnek > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges.

To the list: I was searched about every court district I could think of, who had jurisdiction for the Indian Territory. Due to the fact that my mothers family settled there in 1896, but could find nothing. Then it dawned on me that they stayed for a several months in a west texas town, where my mother was born about 6 months after they arrived in the US. I checked on the county seat of the county and wrote to the court house for the intent and petition papers. They were filed in the District court of the county in TX. I must have searched for years with the INS, and since I had no date of arriving and no port, I was at a lose. I finally settled on the county seat where they stayed for a short time. Now I have the date, time and place where he arrived in the US. You should write to the District Clerk of the County Court House, and if the person filed for intent , They would have a record. Louis Schindler

Prior to the formalization of the process in 1905 naturalization "proceedings" appear to have been haphazard. Note that my interest is in possible naturalization proceedings for my grandparents and their families in about 1870-80 in Cook County (Chicago) Illinois. From what I have seen at NARA, the most I might find is an index card of the proceeding in court that day, perhaps the person's name and the name of the witnesses, a country, but not a village. *IF* there is a Declaration of Intent found there may be more information and some have lucked out finding such a document but they appear to be few and far between prior to 1905. Elaine "Dates: 1871-1929 Courts: Superior, Circuit, County and Criminal Courts of Cook County (Naturalization records produced by other Cook County towns, such as Blue Island and Calumet City, are not included) Includes: May include declaration of intent, petition, and/or court order. Declarations of intent filed elsewhere may contain more information. 1904-1906 Name, date of naturalization; possibly address & witness 1904-1906 Above, plus generally include town of birth, port of departure, date and port of arrival, occupation, witnesses 1906-1929 Above, plus wife's name and date of birth; children's names and dates of birth; physical description of petitioner Indexes: National Archives Soundex Naturalization Index (Microfilm), 1840-1950 (for Northern Illinois and parts of Iowa, Wisconsin, and Indiana) " http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/Archives_/Archive_Holdings/archive_holdings.htm Hello Ron On Sunday, May 9, 2004, you wrote > The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has been > brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect that the > regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in different ways in > different locations at different times. > It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in > their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps > this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. However, > no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct so if > anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien > registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can benefit. > The following is the official historical guidelines based on the Department > of Immigration and Naturalization: > http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/index.htm > See: > <http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/463.htm>28. > Immigration Act of February 20, 1907 (34 Statutes-at-Large 898) > Ron Mlejnek

The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has been brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect that the regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in different ways in different locations at different times. It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. However, no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct so if anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can benefit. The following is the official historical guidelines based on the Department of Immigration and Naturalization: http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/index.htm See: <http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/legishist/463.htm>28. Immigration Act of February 20, 1907 (34 Statutes-at-Large 898) Ron Mlejnek

Janice, Try the US Post Office in the town where your relatives lived. More than likely they had to register there before they received Naturalization papers. My Father registered at the USPO when he emigrated. Pls. advise. George in CA

...possibly the McIntyre Library at the University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire. Woody Minar (MYNARZ/MINAR, DZIK/DICK, JANACEK, SKALA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Solorio" <jan@gbronline.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: [CZ] PRAVECEK NATURALIZATION | Listers, | | I'm stumpted again. I received a reply from the library in LaCrosse, WI on | the search for the naturalization papers on Henry and Marii Pravecek. They | don't have any record and said they kept poor records in those days, but | they were probably naturalized. Where would I go now to find these records? | Any ideas? This was about 1892. Thank you for all your help. | | Janice in AZ | | | | ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== | All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively | handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal | problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an | email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate | for list discussion. | | |