I have an atlas that shows both villages - Bukovany and Chrastice. They are only 2 km apart, "as the crow flies." Bukovany is about 1 3/4 km east of Route 4, and Chrastice is just west of Route 4. Route 4 travels north-east from the city of Strakonice to Prague. The 2 villages are about 10 km from the southern city- limits of Prague. Hope this helps. Joana S. Donovan
I tried Murphy Library and they told me they don't have the records. Also emailed McIntyre Library and haven't heard from them yet. Janice in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <SocksMyCat@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] PRAVECEK NATURALIZATION > In a message dated 5/8/2004 6:18:30 PM Central Daylight Time, > woody.minar@centurytel.net writes: > > > > > > > > ...possibly the McIntyre Library at the University of Wisconsin - Eau > > Claire. > > > > Woody Minar (MYNARZ/MINAR, DZIK/DICK, JANACEK, SKALA) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janice Solorio" <jan@gbronline.com> > > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 3:43 PM > > Subject: [CZ] PRAVECEK NATURALIZATION > > > > > > | Listers, > > | > > | I'm stumpted again. I received a reply from the library in LaCrosse, WI > > on > > | the search for the naturalization papers on Henry and Marii Pravecek. > > They > > | don't have any record and said they kept poor records in those days, but > > | they were probably naturalized. Where would I go now to find these > > records? > > | Any ideas? This was about 1892. Thank you for all your help. > > | > > | Janice in AZ > > Was this the library in LaCrosse that you contacted? If not, try here for > more info: > http://perth.uwlax.edu/murphylibrary/Departments/arc.html > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech-L's webpage is at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm >
SocksMyCat@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:40:23 AM Central Daylight Time, >Mrbkdb112@cs.com writes: >> >> Thank you, Joe for the translation. That's what I thought, that she was the >> >> 92 year old, but it didn't fit with her children's ages. Then, I thought I >> was >> reading it wrong. It.means she was very old when she had her children. But, >> maybe she was a second wife. >> >> You answered another question about the burial. It appears she was buried by >> >> the church. We were there, but no grave site. Its too long ago. The church >> is >> boarded up and the graves were from the later years...still old. I've >> tramped >> through so many cemeteries over there hoping they saved some old ones, but >> they are not there. Very disappointing. >> Really appreciate your response! >> Millie > >Regarding graves in church cemeteries in the Czech Republic. I visited the >Czech Republic in 1998. I was looking in the local church cemetery for the >graves of my ancestors and was told that each gravesite is "reused" about every >50 years. An adult is often buried in a relatives grave, and a new headstone >erected. Families take care of the graves. Also, if a grave is unattended for >10 years, then it is allowed to be "reused". Yes, i've been told that also. So, the gravestones of our ancestors who left there are no longer to be found. A lot of cemeteries have old stones piled around the perimeter of the cemetery, names no longer legible. We've been there 6 times and every time, I still can't resist the urge to search in the cemeteries. I have found a few with the same name but they are all newer.The thing is, all the cemeteries are not around the churches. Some are out in the country and its always possible that those graves have not been "reused" as much. Thanks for responding. Millie > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > >
Lillian This may be of help. Earlier I gave a link to a site of beautiful, old maps in color. The site is in Czech but I have been able to maneuver around it. You can continue clicking on the map to get in closer to the city of Prague. Each map shows a bar indicating distances. To the left of the map is another bar that allows for changes in magnification by clicking on the blue arrow and moving it left or right to zoom in or out. I zoomed in to find the city of Bukovany and then zoomed out to see it's relationship to Prague. I also did some searching to learn something of the geography of the Czech Republic. It's area is 78,866 sq. km.; the entire country is slightly smaller than the state of South Carolina. I know there was joking going on that everyone seemed to have come from near Prague. It is more than possible. As best as I could determine the city/town of Bukovany is about 25 km. or about 13 miles from Prague. Bukovany appears to be south/south west of Prague. Hint: I found Bukovany - then when I zoomed out to see it's relationship to Prague I had to use a location called Tynec to estimate. Bukovany was too small a town to show up in the large scale map. Hope this helps -- and doesn't confuse anyone too much. The map site I used is: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan (learning all the time -- and willing to learn more about reading maps)
In a message dated 5/8/2004 6:18:30 PM Central Daylight Time, woody.minar@centurytel.net writes: > > > ...possibly the McIntyre Library at the University of Wisconsin - Eau > Claire. > > Woody Minar (MYNARZ/MINAR, DZIK/DICK, JANACEK, SKALA) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Solorio" <jan@gbronline.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 3:43 PM > Subject: [CZ] PRAVECEK NATURALIZATION > > > | Listers, > | > | I'm stumpted again. I received a reply from the library in LaCrosse, WI > on > | the search for the naturalization papers on Henry and Marii Pravecek. > They > | don't have any record and said they kept poor records in those days, but > | they were probably naturalized. Where would I go now to find these > records? > | Any ideas? This was about 1892. Thank you for all your help. > | > | Janice in AZ Was this the library in LaCrosse that you contacted? If not, try here for more info: http://perth.uwlax.edu/murphylibrary/Departments/arc.html
In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:40:23 AM Central Daylight Time, Mrbkdb112@cs.com writes: > > Thank you, Joe for the translation. That's what I thought, that she was the > > 92 year old, but it didn't fit with her children's ages. Then, I thought I > was > reading it wrong. It.means she was very old when she had her children. But, > maybe she was a second wife. > > You answered another question about the burial. It appears she was buried by > > the church. We were there, but no grave site. Its too long ago. The church > is > boarded up and the graves were from the later years...still old. I've > tramped > through so many cemeteries over there hoping they saved some old ones, but > they are not there. Very disappointing. > Really appreciate your response! > Millie Regarding graves in church cemeteries in the Czech Republic. I visited the Czech Republic in 1998. I was looking in the local church cemetery for the graves of my ancestors and was told that each gravesite is "reused" about every 50 years. An adult is often buried in a relatives grave, and a new headstone erected. Families take care of the graves. Also, if a grave is unattended for 10 years, then it is allowed to be "reused".
Try http://www2.heritagequest.com/hq/bk.asp?Z_id=A0102 where it can be purchased. and for those who are interested, the book is described by Jewishgen as: "Books on naturalization records: Newman, John J. American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How to Use Them. (Bountiful, UT: Heritage Quest, 1998). 127 pages. ($12.95). ISBN 1-877677-91-4. [Previous edition was: American Naturalization Processes and Procedures, 1790-1985. (Indiana Historical Society, 1985). 43 pages]." Elaine Hello Ron On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > Dear List Subscribers, > I was not able to find an on-line source for "American Naturalization > Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How to Use Them" by John J. > Newman. Heritage Quest on-line does not even list this volume. > Ron Mlejnek
I have found the villages that I am looking for on the map, but have been unable to find a map showing Prague and the villages (Chrastice and Bukovany, which are close together). In other words, I have been unable to find the distance between those villages and Prague. Is there a map available that would show Prague and the two villages?
There are a few "American Naturization Records 1790-1990" books by John J. Newman used books at www.abebooks.com that are very reasonable.
Dear List Subscribers, I was not able to find an on-line source for "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How to Use Them" by John J. Newman. Heritage Quest on-line does not even list this volume. Ron Mlejnek At 04:48 PM 05/10/2004, you wrote: >Ron Mlejnek wrote: >>The question of what naturalization laws applied at various times has >>been brought up before, but never satisfactorily answered. I suspect >>that the regulations were very loosely interpreted and applied in >>different ways in different locations at different times. >>It is my impression that an alien had to go to the county court house in >>their particular jurisdiction and fill out the necessary forms. Perhaps >>this was done where there was no convenient Federal Court House. >>However, no one has ever affirmed that going to a court house is correct >>so if anyone has any specific knowledge or web sites that explain alien >>registration requirements, please post it so others (and myself) can benefit. > >The book "American Naturalization Records 1790-1990: What They Are and How >to Use Them" by John J. Newman might be useful. ISBN:1-877677-91-4. >LOC 98-71939. Copyright 1985, 1998, second edition by Heritage Quest. It >is a paperback, 127 pages with lots of illustrations of forms, end notes, >bibliographical info, etc that is useful to the researcher. There is an >appendix that lists categories of records with time periods for changes in >requirements. If your library doesn't have it, maybe they can get it via ILL. > >John > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges.
Bill, I think your problem goes back to what I said a while back about having your 'browser's" security level set up to accept cookies. If you have 2 browsers (Explorer and Netscape for example), then give the other one a try. Another trick that works sometimes is to use the "right click" on your mouse button and then tell it to "Open Link in a New Window". Usually the problem you describe occurs after I have done a lot of "surfing" on the Internet and had many windows opened. By shutting down your computer and then restarting, you clear available memory and some of the browsers functions return. If you are not able to get the images you want, give me the names and resolution you want and I will download them and send them to you. Also, on Mapy, you will probably need the Czech name which you can get from a cross reference list: http://www.ihff.at/indexstarte.htm <http://www.ihff.at/detail.php?pos=15824&lang=en>Unterhütten = parish Svata Katerina, near Klatovy, Böhmen Bischofteinitz = Tyn Horskovsky, Böhmen or ShtetlSeeker. Ron Mlejnek At 05:00 PM 05/11/2004, you wrote: >Elaine: > > I went to both sites you mentioned and clicked on the British >flag and it didn't do anything. How do I navigate the map to find cities? >What I am looking for is Unterhütten, Kreis Bischofteinitz, Bohemia, >Austria. I have several of my wife's relation from there. > Bill > ************************************************** >On Tue, 11 May 2004 08:54:43 -0400 ETM <Chook@starpower.net> writes: > > I think everyone who left Bohemia has told family and > > friends they came from *near* Praha (as did my ancestors). > > It is entirely possible Betty's family lived on the border > > of Germany but knew they were *near* Praha <smile>. > > > > Beautiful maps, Susan. We list it as > > > > http://mapy.atlas.cz/aquariusnet/frm_uvod.asp > > > > at the mailing list's website. At the top of the map link > > we use there is a British flag. Click on that and you will > > be given an English version of the map. > > > > For newcomers, the Czech mailing list maintains a website at > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/ > > > > We think it is well worth the time we have spent uploading > > the information and hope you all will take advantage of it. > > > > Elaine > > > > > > > > We are so vain that we even care for the > > opinion of those we don't care for. --Marie Ebner von > > Eschenbach > > > > Hello Susan > > > > On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > > > > > Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. > > The only > > > down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map > > directions > > > are not in English. > > > However, you can experiment by clicking directly on the map and > > then parts > > > of the map. This zooms in and enlarges and you can then use the > > arrows to > > > move north, south, east and west. There is also a list above the > > map > > > starting with Praha. > > > The last word leads you to a list of towns - clicking on them > > brings you to > > > that part of the map. Best advice -- just click around on it and > > you may > > > find towns you area you are searching for. Perhaps someone > > with better > > > understanding of the > > > geography of the area can explain how he was able to walk into > > Germany. > > > Have fun: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > > CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual > > messages) > > CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of > > multiple messages) > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >for list discussion.
Bill, The map link and British flag worked for me just now. Perhaps it was just a glitch. Try again. Have you posted your interests to the German-Bohemian mailing list? Elaine RAISIN: Grape with a sunburn. Hello William On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > Elaine: > I went to both sites you mentioned and clicked on the British > flag and it didn't do anything. How do I navigate the map to find cities? > What I am looking for is Unterhütten, Kreis Bischofteinitz, Bohemia, > Austria. I have several of my wife's relation from there. > Bill >
Elaine: I went to both sites you mentioned and clicked on the British flag and it didn't do anything. How do I navigate the map to find cities? What I am looking for is Unterh�tten, Kreis Bischofteinitz, Bohemia, Austria. I have several of my wife's relation from there. Bill ************************************************** On Tue, 11 May 2004 08:54:43 -0400 ETM <Chook@starpower.net> writes: > I think everyone who left Bohemia has told family and > friends they came from *near* Praha (as did my ancestors). > It is entirely possible Betty's family lived on the border > of Germany but knew they were *near* Praha <smile>. > > Beautiful maps, Susan. We list it as > > http://mapy.atlas.cz/aquariusnet/frm_uvod.asp > > at the mailing list's website. At the top of the map link > we use there is a British flag. Click on that and you will > be given an English version of the map. > > For newcomers, the Czech mailing list maintains a website at > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/ > > We think it is well worth the time we have spent uploading > the information and hope you all will take advantage of it. > > Elaine > > > > We are so vain that we even care for the > opinion of those we don't care for. --Marie Ebner von > Eschenbach > > Hello Susan > > On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > > > Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. > The only > > down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map > directions > > are not in English. > > However, you can experiment by clicking directly on the map and > then parts > > of the map. This zooms in and enlarges and you can then use the > arrows to > > move north, south, east and west. There is also a list above the > map > > starting with Praha. > > The last word leads you to a list of towns - clicking on them > brings you to > > that part of the map. Best advice -- just click around on it and > you may > > find towns you area you are searching for. Perhaps someone > with better > > understanding of the > > geography of the area can explain how he was able to walk into > Germany. > > Have fun: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual > messages) > CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of > multiple messages) > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
At 09:57 AM 5/11/2004, you wrote: >Likely: > >M as in mother >el as in yell >"Myell" > >n as in nook >ik as in "yeek!" >"nyeek." > >Two syllables: "Myell - nyeek." Accent on the first syllable (always in >Czech). > >The "Mel" sounds are pronounced as one, >the "nik" sounds as the other. > >This is on the assumption that in Czech there is a hook over the e and >an accent mark over the i. Thanks Ron and Joe for this information -- I am trying to determine is someone pronounced this town name to someone else, would they spell it: Maleng -- but I don't think so!!! Lorraine
American ingenuity found it on the internet. I wish I were as god about finding my family <grin>. I hope friends from the CR will tell us if this is correct. Do not miss the food and drink discussion forum at http://www.expats.cz/ This is very similar to a sauerbraten isn't it? Is brusinkový kompot a whole or jelled cranberry sauce? Elaine Beef in a veggie cream sauce (staple of Czech cuisine, my favorite. Warning: it requires a lot of work and plenty of messy dishes, very filling) Ingredients: 600-900 g sirloin tip beef - hovezí svíckové 50 g bacon - slaniny 3 tablespoons vegetable oil - rostlinného oleje, 300 g root veggies - korenové zeleniny (carrot - mrkev, celery root -celer, parsley snips - petrel) onion - cibule 4 whole black peppercorns - celeho cerného pepre 4 all spice - nového korení bay leaf - bobkový list 3 dl beef broth - vývaru 3 dl whipping cream - husté krémovité smetany 3 tablespoons flour - hladké mouky 1 tablespoon sugar - líce cukru lemon juice or white vinegar - citronová táva nebo ocet salt - sul Cranberry sauce - brusinkový kompot Preparation: Salt the meat, and poke through with a knife. Insert bacon into the holes. Fry on all sides. Add the rest of bacon, cubed veggies and fry untill golden brown.Add spices and a bit of the broth and broil in the oven or cook in a large pot. Keep the meat in lots of liquid, add broth if needed. When the meat is tender (when cooking it takes about 2 hours) take it out, puree the sauce. Add flour mixed with the cream ,and keep adding broth and cream as needed. Add sugar, a bit of vinegar to taste. Cook well. Add meat and heat up for 5 minutes. Slice the meat and serve with bread dumplings with a slice of lemon and a spoonfull of cranberry sauce over them. Markus just ate it for the first time at my mom's this Christmas (there is no blender in our house - how convenient :-) and loved it completely, especially the dumplings with the sauce. Now I have to get a blender and make it for him!!! 02/11/02 OK, I just made svickova from scratch here in Cleveland, and it works, including the dumplings! Hello List On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > This type of request normally is posted on our companion > list (Czech-Traditions) but I am permitting it here because > I suspect we need help from friends in the Czech Republic. > "A delicious Czech speciality is svickova na smetane - roast > beef and bread dumplings covered in sour cream sauce, served > with lemon and cranberries. " > Elaine > Hello TheL33s > On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote >> Hello >> Am wondering if you have the receipe for Prague roast beef and dumplings. >> Thanks >> Meelee
Hi, Lorraine. Likely: M as in mother el as in yell "Myell" n as in nook ik as in "yeek!" "nyeek." Two syllables: "Myell - nyeek." Accent on the first syllable (always in Czech). The "Mel" sounds are pronounced as one, the "nik" sounds as the other. This is on the assumption that in Czech there is a hook over the e and an accent mark over the i. Joe
This type of request normally is posted on our companion list (Czech-Traditions) but I am permitting it here because I suspect we need help from friends in the Czech Republic. "A delicious Czech speciality is svickova na smetane - roast beef and bread dumplings covered in sour cream sauce, served with lemon and cranberries. " Elaine Hello TheL33s On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > Hello > Am wondering if you have the receipe for Prague roast beef and dumplings. > Thanks > Meelee
I think everyone who left Bohemia has told family and friends they came from *near* Praha (as did my ancestors). It is entirely possible Betty's family lived on the border of Germany but knew they were *near* Praha <smile>. Beautiful maps, Susan. We list it as http://mapy.atlas.cz/aquariusnet/frm_uvod.asp at the mailing list's website. At the top of the map link we use there is a British flag. Click on that and you will be given an English version of the map. For newcomers, the Czech mailing list maintains a website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/ We think it is well worth the time we have spent uploading the information and hope you all will take advantage of it. Elaine We are so vain that we even care for the opinion of those we don't care for. --Marie Ebner von Eschenbach Hello Susan On Tuesday, May 11, 2004, you wrote > Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. The only > down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map directions > are not in English. > However, you can experiment by clicking directly on the map and then parts > of the map. This zooms in and enlarges and you can then use the arrows to > move north, south, east and west. There is also a list above the map > starting with Praha. > The last word leads you to a list of towns - clicking on them brings you to > that part of the map. Best advice -- just click around on it and you may > find towns you area you are searching for. Perhaps someone with better > understanding of the > geography of the area can explain how he was able to walk into Germany. > Have fun: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan
Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. The only down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map directions are not in English. However, you can experiment by clicking directly on the map and then parts of the map. This zooms in and enlarges and you can then use the arrows to move north, south, east and west. There is also a list above the map starting with Praha. The last word leads you to a list of towns - clicking on them brings you to that part of the map. Best advice -- just click around on it and you may find towns you area you are searching for. Perhaps someone with better understanding of the geography of the area can explain how he was able to walk into Germany. Have fun: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan
If one goes to "our" (CZECH Mail List) web site, you will find the following page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/czgenealogy.htm Under Research Tools find this link: Atlas Map Server In Czech ("Click" on English version) Exactly the same, but everything is in English. Ron Mlejnek > > From: "Susan Williams" <swilliams1200@comcast.net> > Date: 2004/05/11 Tue AM 06:54:58 CDT > To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CZ] Re: Map of Czech Republic > > Here is a link to a beautiful set of maps of the Czech Republic. The only > down-side for those of us who do not read Czech is that the map directions > are not in English. > However, you can experiment by clicking directly on the map and then parts > of the map. This zooms in and enlarges and you can then use the arrows to > move north, south, east and west. There is also a list above the map > starting with Praha. > The last word leads you to a list of towns - clicking on them brings you to > that part of the map. Best advice -- just click around on it and you may > find towns you area you are searching for. Perhaps someone with better > understanding of the > geography of the area can explain how he was able to walk into Germany. > Have fun: http://mapy.quick.cz/ Susan > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > >