My great grandfather emmigrated 1870 so does that mean he had to get permission also? If so, would there be any record of that in the Czech Republic today? Thank you, Rose >From: "Kevin Kittilson" <Kkittils@wcca.state.mn.us> >Reply-To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CZ] Re: Czech emigration rules >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:10:31 -0500 > >I don't know specifically about 1912 but as a general rule emigration >from the empire of Austria-Hungary (which included present-day >Czech lands until after WWI) required official permission from the >government. > >In order to obtain such permission the applicant had to show they >had discharged their debts and other obligations and that they >had sufficient cash in hand to pay the expenses of their emigration. >Males under middle age had to demonstrate that they had already >discharged their military service obligations, both the requirement >for active service and then for subsequent service in the reserves. > >Since many wished to emigrate because of poverty and lack of >opportunity to make a living, or to avoid military service, a great >many people couldn't get permission and simply slipped over the >border and left illegally. > >A very interesting and detailed study of emigration applications >from the Policka region in eastern has been made by Karel Kysilka, >who delivered a speech on it at the Genealogy Seminar of the Czech >Heritage Society of Texas, Hillsboro, TX.,July 31, 1999. You can >read it at: > >http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/durer/23/emigration/emigration.htm > >While it has to do with a specific region and with the periods >somewhat >prior to the one you asked about, it should give you a rough idea of >what >potential emigrants were expected to go through to get permission. > > >>> Joanne Brown <jb@tbcnet.com> 6/10/2004 8:32:39 PM >>> > Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the >Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register >before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they >leave illegally? > The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's >brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not >allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came >looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and >the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. > Joanne > >______________________________ > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >for list discussion. > _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/
My thanks to Joan, Kevin, Rudy, etc. for replying to my question regarding emigration. From the information you gave me, it appears that my grandfather just slipped out of the country illegally as did many others. He was single, 19 years old, and had not been in the military that I know of. His uncle from Chicago had apparently sent him a ticket for his passage. My best guess right now is that the policemen who came looking for him had something to do with his military service obligation. Karel Krysilka's speech was very informative and interesting. Thanks for the tip, Kevin! Joan wrote: > There may have been many different reasons, however, conscription into the > Austrian Army probably heads the list as the Czechs were considered > expendable or as we say now "cannon fodder." > > Joan Peterson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:32 PM > Subject: [CZ] Czech emigration rules > > > Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the > > Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register > > before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they > > leave illegally? > > The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's > > brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not > > allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came > > looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and > > the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. > > Joanne > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are > making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list > address and add the individual's address. > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address.
Dorothy, Thanks for your explanation to the list -- I have made extensive use of my local Mormon research center and they (other researchers too) have been of great help. Next time I'm in Mesa (I have family there) I plan on visiting their center. My question to you is -- do you foresee the Czechs making microfilms of their church records available outside the country. At some time, I may engage a professional researcher but, to tell the truth, I really enjoy the quest of finding information myself. Thanks for your comments. Susan
This is a forwarded message From: Dr. Rudolf Kies, Ph.D. <Egerlander@sudetenland.us> To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 11, 2004, 10:44:09 AM Subject: Re: CZECH-D Digest V04 #213 ===8<==============Original message text=============== Hi Joanne! I was born in that place in 1933; my mother was born there in 1898, as was the rest of our family. First, the Czech Republic did not exist in 1912. In fact, that concept is relatively new... With the exception of "the Protectorate", Prague and other areas, the area you describe belonged to "The Austro-Hungarian Empire". In other words, Austrian! Czechoslovakia did not exist until after WWI! My mother was a nurse in Vienna in or around 1912 - until the mid 1920's with Kaiser Franz Josef as the ruler - and she travelled back and forth freely. No restrictions. I think what you are referring to was/is the "Resident Registration" (Einwohner Meldepflicht) requirement - a system of population control still in effect today in Germany and other countries. It requires one to register upon arrival and de-register when leaving. I am sure that some S/A on this list will give you a different version. The agony of choosing is your, I am afraid. Best wishes, Rudy At 08:00 AM 06/11/04 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:32:39 -0500 >From: Joanne Brown <jb@tbcnet.com> >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <40C90BB7.86200519@tbcnet.com> >Subject: Czech emigration rules >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the >Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register >before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they >leave illegally? > The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's >brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not >allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came >looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and >the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. > Joanne ===8<===========End of original message text===========
A few years back I worked with a refugee from Czech. He left there in the early 1940's. They were not allowed to leave the country. He road across the border hanging on the underside of a truck. He didn't talk much about it. My father in law left in 1906. I think it was legal for them then, he came with his brother-in-law (who was killed in a steel mill in Pittsburgh). I found dad's letters and had them translated. Mostly they talked about the weather because letters were censored at that time. Dad told me they were censored. I think he got 1 letter a year from his sister. Gayle > Wow, that's interesting, my Czech ancestors left in 1906. Wish I knew the > answers for you, I'm interested in knowing myself. > > Susan Goerke Ball >
I don't know specifically about 1912 but as a general rule emigration from the empire of Austria-Hungary (which included present-day Czech lands until after WWI) required official permission from the government. In order to obtain such permission the applicant had to show they had discharged their debts and other obligations and that they had sufficient cash in hand to pay the expenses of their emigration. Males under middle age had to demonstrate that they had already discharged their military service obligations, both the requirement for active service and then for subsequent service in the reserves. Since many wished to emigrate because of poverty and lack of opportunity to make a living, or to avoid military service, a great many people couldn't get permission and simply slipped over the border and left illegally. A very interesting and detailed study of emigration applications from the Policka region in eastern has been made by Karel Kysilka, who delivered a speech on it at the Genealogy Seminar of the Czech Heritage Society of Texas, Hillsboro, TX.,July 31, 1999. You can read it at: http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/durer/23/emigration/emigration.htm While it has to do with a specific region and with the periods somewhat prior to the one you asked about, it should give you a rough idea of what potential emigrants were expected to go through to get permission. >>> Joanne Brown <jb@tbcnet.com> 6/10/2004 8:32:39 PM >>> Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they leave illegally? The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. Joanne ______________________________
There may have been many different reasons, however, conscription into the Austrian Army probably heads the list as the Czechs were considered expendable or as we say now "cannon fodder." Joan Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [CZ] Czech emigration rules > Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the > Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register > before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they > leave illegally? > The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's > brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not > allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came > looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and > the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. > Joanne > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. > >
Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they leave illegally? The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. Joanne
Wow, that's interesting, my Czech ancestors left in 1906. Wish I knew the answers for you, I'm interested in knowing myself. Susan Goerke Ball ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Brown" <jb@tbcnet.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: [CZ] Czech emigration rules > Does anyone know what the emigration rules and procedures in the > Czech Republic were in about 1912? Were people supposed to register > before leaving the country? Were they allowed to leave, or did they > leave illegally? > The reason I ask is this---I have a portion of my grandfather's > brother's diary translated into English and it says that you were not > allowed to leave at that time. It also states that the police came > looking for my grandfather about a week after he left the country and > the family told them that he was working in Pilsen. > Joanne > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. >
Many thanks!!!! Tina
Would you look up Jozef Vido for me (Josef or Joseph) Thank you. Tina Vido Jellison
sure, I can only go to the fhc on tues and thurs because they are only open evenings on those two evenings....I am trying to get there this thursday. will get back to you. ms ----- Original Message ----- From: <TinaJellison@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: [CZ] St. Nepomucene Church in Chicago lookups > Would you look up Jozef Vido for me (Josef or Joseph) > > Thank you. > > Tina Vido Jellison > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. > >
In Mesa Az, a suburb of Phoenix is the Mesa Family History Center. It is the largest family history center in the world and the library is the 3rd largest (after the 2 in Utah). It is on Hobson just east of the huge Mormon Temple. The Czech and Slovak Genealogical Society of Arizona is continually purchasing books and info for them and also the Arizona state archives--genealogy library. The capital library is located on the 3rd floor of the Old Capitol Building. They also have computer subscriptions, plus the newspaper archives, researchers who ae knowledgeable. Once a month (except summer) they have a talk by a professional on some aspect of genealogy/family research. I have personally delivered to Mesa ALL of Baca's books, Habernicht's Czechs in America, numerous atlases, the Historical Atlas of Eastern Europe, the genealogical Czech dictionary, regular Czech and Slovak dictionaries. Whatever we get for our library we also purchase for Mesa and the State Archive library. If they don't yet have the Denni Hlasatel obit list, then it will be there soon. We are continually purchasing materials for research in Czech and Slovak lands. We have paid for subscriptions to the major US Czech/Slovak society magazines for both of the libraries. There are many Slovak microfilms and all census films of the US except 1930 at Mesa. By now they may have that. Their computers have connections/ subscriptions to Ancestry, Genealogy.com, etc. Dorothy Janca President Czech and Slovak Genealogical Society of Arizona http://rootsweb.com/~azcsgsa/ List Administration wrote: >This is a forwarded message > >From: annmaly@aol.com <annmaly@aol.com> > > > >lauret maestas, < annmaly@aol.com > has sent the following query to the CZECH Mail List: > >Query= Looking for MALY-REZAC coming to America in mid to late 1800's. Please help if anyone is from Arizona do they have a good research library in the PHoenix area? As the library I use: doesn't have Leo Baca books or very much in the history of czechs. thanks Lauret >. > > > > > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. > >
I am in south San Jose and worked for years at the YMCA in South San Jose. Just recently took a leave from work due to Dad being ill. Small world huh? Sharon
This is a forwarded message From: annmaly@aol.com <annmaly@aol.com> lauret maestas, < annmaly@aol.com > has sent the following query to the CZECH Mail List: Query= Looking for MALY-REZAC coming to America in mid to late 1800's. Please help if anyone is from Arizona do they have a good research library in the PHoenix area? As the library I use: doesn't have Leo Baca books or very much in the history of czechs. thanks Lauret .
A reminder that message boards do exist for Czech and Bohemian posts in general and specifically in Minnesota, Nebraska and Illinois. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.czech http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.ilczech http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.mnczech http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.ilbohemian http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.mnbohemian http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.neczech Mailing lists live in real time and then are archived at Rootsweb where they can be searched for information or browsed in general. The Message Boards offer a static message system, you leave a message and then return when you wish to see if there has been a response. There are mailing lists providing instant notice about posts to your favorite boards. Be sure to use both methods for your genealogy search. Also be sure to check out your surnames at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/ Good luck! Elaine
Would you please looked up any Tinger (Tingr) surname? Thank you Rose NY >From: "Charles Smith" <mrsces@charter.net> >Reply-To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CZ] St. Nepomucene Church in Chicago lookups Date: Sat, 5 Jun >2004 23:27:50 -0700 > >Sure - will do and get back to you. Where do you live in CA - I live in >Sacramento. ms >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Mike1228@aol.com> >To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:45 PM >Subject: Re: [CZ] St. Nepomucene Church in Chicago lookups > > > > Can you look up Frank Jech for me. > > > > Thank you' > > Sharon of Calif. > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > > > > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >for list discussion. > _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married
San Jose, Ca., kids live in Yuba City.
My brother and his family live in San Jose - used to have two brothers there but one moved to AZ. I grew up in Oakland and moved to Sacto in 1972. take care, ms ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mike1228@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [CZ] St. Nepomucene Church in Chicago lookups > San Jose, Ca., kids live in Yuba City. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech-L's webpage is at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > >
Excuse bit if you are looking up name from world war II if you see any HLOUSEK's in there please let me know I lost some of my uncles and my DAD would love to know more since he was fighting in Africa, Thank you for any help you may be able to give me in this matter. Respectfully Your's Don Hlousek ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mike1228@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] St. Nepomucene Church in Chicago lookups > Can you look up Frank Jech for me. > > Thank you' > Sharon of Calif. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH >