The surname list is on our website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/ The Czech mailing list is not connected with the website you mention. Elaine Hello Bohunkjoe On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, you wrote > Ron writes: > The following names have been added to the CZECH Surname list: > BOHATEC, etc, etc > Hi Ron ! > The list you just posted of surnames, these are on the Czech Genealogy > website at Rootsweb I thought? I am unable to find them. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~czewgw/ > THX > Regards, Mike in AZ

Ron writes: The following names have been added to the CZECH Surname list: BOHATEC, etc, etc Hi Ron ! The list you just posted of surnames, these are on the Czech Genealogy website at Rootsweb I thought? I am unable to find them. http://www.rootsweb.com/~czewgw/ THX Regards, Mike in AZ

I now realize you are absolutely correct in the difficulty of reading the records. I have spent about three years reading the Hungarian church records -- some would consider those records easy to read because the headings are in Latin (relatively easy to translate) and the information is in column form rather than sentence -- so there are no grammar rules to decipher. I did attempt to read some Italian and French records -- all the problems you mentioned existed in full force. Looks like I'll be using a researcher someday too. Thanks for the advice and information -- I actually experienced all you mentioned very recently. My mother's first cousin sent me a copy of a baptismal certificate from Bohemia for my great uncle born in 1854. I saw all the problems you mentioned on one piece of paper! Take care. Susan

Someone asked me about a scanner that recognizes foreign languages. I apologize for not being prompt in my answer. Since I am not a tekkie the best way I know how to answer is using www.whatis.com at the following link http://searchsmallbizit.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid44_gci214132,00.html Whatis answers questions about computer stuff. An untekkie's best friend. Also at the above link it will give suggestions as to products that have the OCR needed to recognize languages. Stefanie

The following names have been added to the CZECH Surname list: BOHATEC CHLUP COUFAL DUFEK ENTLER GRUND HOUDEK HRUDA ITTNER JANICEK JENICEK KARLOVSKY KOLAR KOSTIK KUBAT KUBICEK KUBIN KUCABA LAVICKA MAREK MULLER NITSCH NITSCHE OCACEK OPATRNY PAJT PAVLICEK PECH PELAN PLISEK POLACEK POMPE PROCHAZKA PUNCOCHAR RAICHL SKARDA SMIDL SOUCEK SPICKA STAVA TAJOVSKY TOMASEK VLACH VLASAK VLCEK VOTAVA WICAR Ron Mlejnek

If Blanca Vetrovcova is still on the list, please contact me? I don't seem to have your correct email address. Thanks, Sharon

I agree with Dorothy's comments 100%. I have actual copies of pages from parish registers and unless you have all the described training, you would not even recognize what is written there. Basically it is like trying to read scribbling; the language is not even recognizable sometimes. As much as anyone might enjoy sitting at a microfilm reader looking at page after page of gibberish, I would recommend getting a professional to do your research. On one family line, I have used 3 different persons plus the Brno Central Archivists because of their availability over ten year period. It is very reassuring where one professional can pick up where another left off in order to finish a particular branch. Ron At 06:47 PM 06/14/2004, you wrote: >Hi Susan, >That's a big question--my personal opinion is that I think they are trying >to organize their records for themselves first. IF and that's a big IF >it happens, it will likely be when the current government changes over >and there are more people who are currently under age 40 in positions of >authority. I think there are too many old guard still around. Then maybe >the Mormons will have a better chance to talk to them and get something >going again. > >My question to you is, how fluent are you in Czech grammar (especially the >7 adjective and noun case changes for each of the 3 genders--which also >applies to surnames, first names, villages and regions), Czech geographic >names and changes and the German variation, vocabulary, and old >handwriting, even Czech in German script? You will find all of that in >the records plus the German and Latin languages. This is, of course, on >top of reading the microfilms. When I get copies from a researcher, it is >hard enough to find my family on the one page they send me, and read the >citation. Finding it in the original book can be quite daunting if you >are looking for anything older than 1900. Not to discourage you, but >there are a host of difficulties. >Dorothy > >Susan Williams wrote: > >>Dorothy, >> >>Thanks for your explanation to the list -- I have made extensive use of my >>local Mormon research center and they (other researchers too) have been of >>great help. Next time I'm in Mesa (I have family there) I plan on visiting >>their center. >> >>My question to you is -- do you foresee the Czechs making microfilms of >>their church records available outside the country. At some time, I may >>engage a professional researcher but, to tell the truth, I really enjoy the >>quest of finding information myself. Thanks for your comments. Susan >> >> >> >>==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >>The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are >>making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the >>list address and add the individual's address. >> > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple > messages) > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe

Hi Susan, That's a big question--my personal opinion is that I think they are trying to organize their records for themselves first. IF and that's a big IF it happens, it will likely be when the current government changes over and there are more people who are currently under age 40 in positions of authority. I think there are too many old guard still around. Then maybe the Mormons will have a better chance to talk to them and get something going again. My question to you is, how fluent are you in Czech grammar (especially the 7 adjective and noun case changes for each of the 3 genders--which also applies to surnames, first names, villages and regions), Czech geographic names and changes and the German variation, vocabulary, and old handwriting, even Czech in German script? You will find all of that in the records plus the German and Latin languages. This is, of course, on top of reading the microfilms. When I get copies from a researcher, it is hard enough to find my family on the one page they send me, and read the citation. Finding it in the original book can be quite daunting if you are looking for anything older than 1900. Not to discourage you, but there are a host of difficulties. Dorothy Susan Williams wrote: >Dorothy, > >Thanks for your explanation to the list -- I have made extensive use of my >local Mormon research center and they (other researchers too) have been of >great help. Next time I'm in Mesa (I have family there) I plan on visiting >their center. > >My question to you is -- do you foresee the Czechs making microfilms of >their church records available outside the country. At some time, I may >engage a professional researcher but, to tell the truth, I really enjoy the >quest of finding information myself. Thanks for your comments. Susan > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/sqB.2ACIAE/20 Message Board Post: The following was written on 3 of my ancestors headstones. Can anyone translate? "Zde Odpociva Odpocivejz V Pokoji" Thank you so much, Kathryn

I have articles about the two men listed above -- Pollet born 1821 in Maschau and Lifka born 1849 in Groschau. If anyone thinks they might be kin to these gentlemen let me know and I will send you these pages off list. They include pictures. Sandy

Thank you John. Can you tell me what researchers you used. I remember there being a discussion of researchers at this site but don't remember much else. Rosemarie >From: John Fiala <searcher@kdsi.net> >Reply-To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: Czech emigration rules >Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:38:41 -0500 > > > >Rosemarie Courbois wrote: >>My great grandfather emmigrated 1870 so does that mean he had to get >>permission also? If so, would there be any record of that in the Czech >>Republic today? > >My ggrandfather left in 1869. I hired professional researchers to look for >a variety of records on him. While they were successful with some, they >were not with finding any emigration permission, nor a passport record. >There is suspicion that he left without permission. From what I >understand, survival of records depends on the locality. Some have >records, and some do not. The only way you will find out is to take on the >quest. > >John Fiala > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > _________________________________________________________________ Looking to buy a house? Get informed with the Home Buying Guide from MSN House & Home. http://coldwellbanker.msn.com/

Dr. Morse's project to provide a complete list of every ship arrival at Ellis Island 1892-1924 is complete. It can be found at http://stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html. And don't forget the Hamburg site where entries continue to be made. http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/ Elaine

Sharon - Have you looked for a marriage license APPLICATION? In the case of my grandparents, the license itself told us nothing new, but the application they had to fill out for it (in Pennsylvania, 1912) listed birthplaces and parents' names, including mothers' maiden names! Also, occupations of bride and groom were given. That aapplication enabled me to go back 150 years in the church records in Slovakia! The application may be on file in the same office that holds the marriage license records Good luck! Marny

I found my gr grandfathers citzenship papers at the Cleveland Probate Court archives on Detroit ave round the 3000 block .You can even call them and they will look it up for you . There is small charges think it was a couple of dollars Another place to look is at the Western Reserve ,out on the far east side they have a lot of old records clarence -------------- Original message from Mike1228@aol.com: -------------- > My Grandfather was born in 1890 CZ. He said he was from Bohemia. I suspect > he came to the US when he was of age for he spoke of the OLD Country a great > deal. He taught his sons to count to ten, In a language that seems part > German and part CZ according to one man. > > When I search for him coming here should I look for the homeland as CZ, > Bohemia, or Austria? > > He claims he applied for cititzenship at Cleveland Ohio, yet I have been > unable to find anything. Also, he did not marry grandma till he was abt. 27, in > Cleveland. I do not know what took her to Cleveland but she was married > before. He claimed he was not, but I suspect different. At what age did men > usually marry in CZ. > > Thank you; > Sharon > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple > messages) > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe >

My Grandfather was born in 1890 CZ. He said he was from Bohemia. I suspect he came to the US when he was of age for he spoke of the OLD Country a great deal. He taught his sons to count to ten, In a language that seems part German and part CZ according to one man. When I search for him coming here should I look for the homeland as CZ, Bohemia, or Austria? He claims he applied for cititzenship at Cleveland Ohio, yet I have been unable to find anything. Also, he did not marry grandma till he was abt. 27, in Cleveland. I do not know what took her to Cleveland but she was married before. He claimed he was not, but I suspect different. At what age did men usually marry in CZ. Thank you; Sharon

Dear Georgene, There is enough information here to at least attempt to locate these folks using a different approach. Go to the Czech Mail List website and on the left hand side you will find a list of links, one of which is Ellis Island II. This will take you to the Stepan Morse website for JewishGen and there you will find what is called the "short form" which is gray. It is the most powerful search tool available for this set of records. If CZECH listers are not familiar with this page, take some time to explore it. Stepan Morse has done a superb job of providing valuable search engines for the "serious". Put in the name Kos, Valenta or Hardina. I would assume you have already done an exact search already so do a "sounds like" or "contains" search. The site will warn you that a "contains search" gobbles up computer time so have a high speed modem and fast processor if you do that one very much. Also, there is a place to designate how many records you want displayed. You have to adjust this figure to you computer's capabilities. On a high speed LAN, I can download 25,000 records at one time. At home, on a 55K modem, I am fortunate to get 500 records at one time. Lastly, if you can handle Excel or spreadsheets, save each search page on your computer. Later, paste and copy them into Excel. If you do not know how to do this, do not attempt it, because it is very frustrating to take hypertext into a spreadsheet because of the editing. I use macros to do that drudgery. The end result is file that can be sorted and edited. Once you find the "most likely suspects", you can start examining the original manifests on-line. Look for the towns they came from, who they left behind, and where were they going. What you are looking for are "clones" of the Vaclav Kos and Anna Hrdina. They were not the only ones who came here. Neighbors, cousins, brothers and sisters came too. I spent over a year looking for a great uncle who immigrated to Chicago using this method. I located him and lot more. I now have a database of every family that left their village and came to the US. I also have the addresses of where they all are located now in the US. Lastly, my grandmother came through Ellis Island in 1907. Before there were ever any on-line records, you had to write to NARA and get them to do the search. For about $15 I received a huge document which was the entire page of the manifest that listed her arrival in NY. I have used the above technique and have never found her record. Her last name is so misspelled that no search strategy will locate her record. I have contacted the Ellis Island Association to correct that problem and they have done nothing. In her case, all I can do is search the manifest directly and find her page. the point is that just because you cannot find someone does not mean that a record for them does not exist. You just might not have the right tools yet to locate that specific records. Ron Mlejnek Ron Mlejnek At 10:47 AM 06/12/2004, you wrote: >Vaclav Kos and his wife Anna Hrdina or Hardina I am not sure for I have seen >it spelled both ways. They came here from Bohemia in 1903. I do not know >what port. They are not in the Baca books, in fact nobody in my family are >in >the Baca books and they all where from Bohemia. They say she was from around >Praha and he Velka Vez near Tabor. They are my greatgrandparent and know >absolutly nothing about them. My ancestors did not talk much of thier past >and I >was to young to prod. I do know they had some connection to Iowa for I >have a >group photo with them in it on a farm. Sorry I do not know very much. She >died >in 1930 and he in 1931 both in Chicago.Thanks Georgene > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: > CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple > messages) > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe

Vaclav Kos and his wife Anna Hrdina or Hardina I am not sure for I have seen it spelled both ways. They came here from Bohemia in 1903. I do not know what port. They are not in the Baca books, in fact nobody in my family are in the Baca books and they all where from Bohemia. They say she was from around Praha and he Velka Vez near Tabor. They are my greatgrandparent and know absolutly nothing about them. My ancestors did not talk much of thier past and I was to young to prod. I do know they had some connection to Iowa for I have a group photo with them in it on a farm. Sorry I do not know very much. She died in 1930 and he in 1931 both in Chicago.Thanks Georgene

An approximate year and perhaps a place would be most helpful. Joan Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: <Georgesiv@aol.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: [CZ] Kos, Valenta and Hardina > Looking for family or friends of Vaclav Kos wife Anna. They had James, > Josephine and Frank. Thanks Georgene > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. > >

Rosemarie Courbois wrote: > My great grandfather emmigrated 1870 so does that mean he had to get > permission also? If so, would there be any record of that in the Czech > Republic today? My ggrandfather left in 1869. I hired professional researchers to look for a variety of records on him. While they were successful with some, they were not with finding any emigration permission, nor a passport record. There is suspicion that he left without permission. From what I understand, survival of records depends on the locality. Some have records, and some do not. The only way you will find out is to take on the quest. John Fiala

Looking for family or friends of Vaclav Kos wife Anna. They had James, Josephine and Frank. Thanks Georgene