Jim, where did Jaroslav Fiala go to research these land records? How much info was on the records? Can I assume that "land records" include houses in the villages or is it farm land? Were occupations listed? Millie

Judi, I can't remember, are you over in the CR? I have access to very little because most everything now requires a professional or a person who has the time to do it and is physically in the CR. I have used Jaroslav Fiala successfully. He's a good man to work with. I have also used the people at http://czechcensus.tripod.com/ and they were very responsive. They are the group which located my family in the church records and were able to send my photocopies of the pages detailing the family. Elaine BEAUTY PARLOR: A place where women curl up and dye. Hello judi On Tuesday, July 6, 2004, you wrote > Please tell me what it is that professional researchers have at their > disposal, that we don't have access to at the archives. I do understand > that land records are not easy to get to. Why is that? > Judi

That's what concerned me....that there would not be that much information on it. Have you tried to get "Permission to Leave the Country" documents? I'm thinking that most people didn't bother to apply for them if they were planning on not coming back. Millie

Please tell me what it is that professional researchers have at their disposal, that we don't have access to at the archives. I do understand that land records are not easy to get to. Why is that? Judi

In August of 1999 I asked a professional research company in the CR to, among other things, search for "land records" of my ancestors at a couple of specified village locations. They reported that they conducted the research in the Praha State District Archives, inventories of records of a specific manor. They found, and provided me with copies of, an urbar contract from 1789 and a tax payment record from 1782. I got a translation of the urbar contract, and some historical commentary on such contracts. I received detailed citation of the manor inventory carton numbers and contents label researched. Notes in the reports (I had this company do four different projects for me) said that some types and periods of records for the manor in which my ancestors lived had not been saved. Apparently the keeping of records differed significantly from area to area, and also survival was affected by war as well as other hazards. Records predating the 30 years war, for instance, are apparently quite rare. Some people get luckier than others in their search for archival matter depending partially on where the ancestral village was. John Fiala Ron Mlejnek wrote: > Jim suggests this question is too "restrictive". I and others have asked > this question before and never received an answer. So.... > > 1) Are there such things as land records or is this a hoax? > > 2) How extensive are these records? In other words, do they only > include estates and estate owners or do they also include all inhabitants > of estates such as peasants? > > 3) It is indicated that they exist back to 1612. How far back do such > records go? > > 4) Are there regional differences in storage of land records? > > 5) Where are the storage locations for such records? > > 6) How can one get access to these records? Or who are the qualified > individuals to locate these records? > > Ron Mlejnek > > At 09:58 AM 07/06/2004, you wrote: > >> Carl, >> >> If you haven't received any answers, perhaps your subject is too >> restrictive. >> >> While not in the North Moravian area, through the use of archive land >> records, Jaroslav Fiala got my family line (southwest of Prague) back >> a couple more generations to about 1612. >> >> So, for the general question, land records can be quite useful. Can't >> say a thing about your specific concern of North Moravia. >> >> Regards, >> Jim Sladek >> >> Carl Linert wrote: >> >>> I will post this message again. Hope to get some >>> responses this time. >>> Has anybody on the list ever researched the land >>> records from the Czech archives, particularly in the >>> Northern Moravia area? Just curious about >>> how useful they are in genealogical research. >>> Thanks, >>> Carl >> >> >> >> ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >> Czech-L's webpage is at >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm >> >> > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are > making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the > list address and add the individual's address. > > >

Jim suggests this question is too "restrictive". I and others have asked this question before and never received an answer. So.... 1) Are there such things as land records or is this a hoax? 2) How extensive are these records? In other words, do they only include estates and estate owners or do they also include all inhabitants of estates such as peasants? 3) It is indicated that they exist back to 1612. How far back do such records go? 4) Are there regional differences in storage of land records? 5) Where are the storage locations for such records? 6) How can one get access to these records? Or who are the qualified individuals to locate these records? Ron Mlejnek At 09:58 AM 07/06/2004, you wrote: >Carl, > >If you haven't received any answers, perhaps your subject is too restrictive. > >While not in the North Moravian area, through the use of archive land >records, Jaroslav Fiala got my family line (southwest of Prague) back a >couple more generations to about 1612. > >So, for the general question, land records can be quite useful. Can't say >a thing about your specific concern of North Moravia. > >Regards, >Jim Sladek > >Carl Linert wrote: >>I will post this message again. Hope to get some >>responses this time. >>Has anybody on the list ever researched the land >>records from the Czech archives, particularly in the >>Northern Moravia area? Just curious about >>how useful they are in genealogical research. >>Thanks, >>Carl > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech-L's webpage is at >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > >

As Larry and Jim have indicated, professional researchers will be necessary for land records research. Elaine

Carl, If you haven't received any answers, perhaps your subject is too restrictive. While not in the North Moravian area, through the use of archive land records, Jaroslav Fiala got my family line (southwest of Prague) back a couple more generations to about 1612. So, for the general question, land records can be quite useful. Can't say a thing about your specific concern of North Moravia. Regards, Jim Sladek Carl Linert wrote: > I will post this message again. Hope to get some > responses this time. > > Has anybody on the list ever researched the land > records from the Czech archives, particularly in the > Northern Moravia area? Just curious about > how useful they are in genealogical research. > > Thanks, > Carl

One of the researcher that I have worked with hired a Czech researcher to do one. I'm not sure exactly how it was structured but was rather expensive. It didn't add anything significant but did clear up a problem that we had. I 'll check with her to see if she didn't mind if I shared it with you, via email. It is interesting but not as much help as we had hoped. Larry At 03:00 PM 7/6/2004, you wrote: >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:25:58 -0700 (PDT) >From: Carl Linert <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20040706142558.11899.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> >Subject: Land Records in Moravia, CZ Republic >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I will post this message again. Hope to get some >responses this time. > >Has anybody on the list ever researched the land >records from the Czech archives, particularly in the >Northern Moravia area? Just curious about >how useful they are in genealogical research. > >Thanks, >Carl

Carl, I'm interested in Land Records,too. let me know if you hear anything. How do you get them? Millie

Judi, Your webpage and its music is beautiful. Thank you for info regarding Kutna Hora. Lillian

Thank you, Millie, for information.

Dear Lillian! Kutna Hora is abouit 60 kilometres east of Praha/Prag in Bohemia. On my site, you will find an online-gazetter with all the villages of Bohemia, Moravia, Austria and Slovenia, with old and nowadays names, competent parishes and parishes before, and the right archives /diocese and crownland. With kind regards, Ing. Felix Gundacker professional genealogist for Austria, Bohemia and Moravia IHFF Genealogie Gesellschaft mbH Pantzergasse 30/8 Austria, A-1190 WIEN Tel = +43 1 369 97 29 Fax = +43 1 369 97 30 email: office@ihff.at http://www.ihff.at   -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Lillian Bodker [mailto:kidos4@webtv.net] Gesendet: Montag, 05. Juli 2004 19:16 An: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: [CZ] Bohemia Can someone tell me where Kutna Hora is located? ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: CZECH-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CZECH-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) In the body include only one word: unsubscribe

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Kutna Hora is located east of Prague. You can take the interstate road #12 to Kolin and branch off there to go to Kutna Hora; or, you can take a secondary road #333 directly to the town. This is a little slower due to passing through many small villages. Kutna Hora is an old silver mining town and now is mostly noted for the location of the famous St. Barbara Cathedral dating from the 14th century and the Church of Bones in Sedlec just east of Kutna Hora. The bones of 40,000 people were resurrected there from their graves by a monk around 1500 who wanted the space to build a chapel. If you go to google and type in Bone Church, Bohemia, you will get the full story and pictures. ITs an interesting area and there is a fairly decent hotel right in the heart of the city center that looks out on the square. There are several other old churches there,too. Millie, researching Herink,Novotny,Soukup,Stepan,Vasik

about an hour east of Prague......my webpage, www.hlubokyfamily.com has a map showing it judi

Can someone tell me where Kutna Hora is located?

Hi Judy - I thought it was you -- I am the Susan who is so interested in the Jan Hus church in New York City. I will check at the library when I get there but I think I may already have done that -- seems to me there were no listings in the volume they had but I did request a library loan of another volume. If I find anything I will definitely send it on to you. Will be in touch soon. Susan W.

Leo Baca's books can be ordered from Leo Baca.Address 1707 Woodcreek Richardson,Texas 75062. Price approx $19.95 This is where I got mine.I have volume V New York Passenger Lists 1870-1880 and my family is in there..Hope this helps Pat in Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <april.ep@verizon.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: [CZ] Re: surname Jindela > > > > > From: "Susan Williams" <swilliams1200@comcast.net> > > Date: 2004/07/03 Sat AM 11:07:42 CDT > > To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: surname Jindela > > > > Judi - Are you searching for the surname Jindela? One source for Czech > > names is the Leo Baca books - about seven or eight volumes. The Mormons > > have them and you can order/rent the books. Probably have to read it at > > the research center. > > Let me know the names you are searching -- my library does have one volume > > and I'll be happy to read it for you and copy any names that may apply to > > your family. > > The Baca books list whatever information is in the original passenger > > record. Once you know the dates, it may be easier to search the NARA > > records or you can also rent the films at the Mormons too. Just let me > > know. Susan W. > > Susan- I am searching the Jindela's (my maiden name). Any info you locate, please advise me. > > Edith Jindela-Van Miert > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without > > permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use > > Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH >

Susan, no, I am not looking for Jindela. I inadvertantly signed in under the wrong heading. Thanks for being kind enough to reply to my email. My family name is HLUBOKY and my website is www.hlubokyfamily.com (my first attempt at a website!) thanks judi