We had a wonderful stay in the city of Plzen at the Hotel Slovan (Smetanovy sady 1 - 305 28 Plzen)- built in 1890-93 (fully renovated and recently updated) - run by the charming Ivana Vlkova - set on a park in the central part of town -within walking distance of the Opera House, Central City and many sites. There is a very nice reasonably-priced restaurant within the hotel. The rooms range from simple furnishing to very modern and updated lovely rooms. A nice experience. The architecture is especially striking. Worth checking out if you are in Plzen!

This is a forwarded message From: Marek Blahus <marek@blahus.cz> To: <chook@starpower.net> Date: Friday, July 9, 2004, 5:48:43 PM Subject: OT: Marek Blahus goes to USA ===8<==============Original message text=============== Dear members of the Czech list, this is Marek Blahus from the Czech Republic again - the one who had spent more than a year of active participation in the Czech List before he had to leave it half a year ago, particulary because of time constraints which had emerged as the life had been going on, the study getting more demanding and also the focus slightly moving to new, yet unexplored fields of human knowledge. But I am still with you in my thoughts and with some of you even in occasional written contact. Presently, the time has brought several pieces of news together I would like to remind you of, which provided for a good opportunity to address you with an update on how my life is going. I am doing so, as several listers at the time of my leaving asked me to keep them informed even after I am not there anymore. As I am no more a member of the list, I ask you, Ellaine, to kindly forward this message to the rest of the list members. As I am at the moment writing this letter to you, I am not the same as I was still that half a year ago, at least as far as the Czech law is concerned. Two months ago, on May 16th, I reached the age of 18, which means that I am not a child anymore, but an adult (well, at least according to what the law says :-). Besides the feeling of happiness and pride commonly found in any one in my surroundings who is turning eighteen, this has also practical consequences for me. I do not care about the gained ability to drink alcohol freely at all, nor about the ability to get married (at least not right now :-), but what interests me and my contemporaries at this age the most is the ability to obtain a driving license and start driving a car. I had been preparing for the examination for the driving license together with several my classmates since January, and soon after reaching the legal age, on June 29th, I was finally allowed for the written test and the examinational drive, which I both passed successfully. Now I am only waiting for the driving license to come and yet for an own car to drive, the latter of which is however going to take much longer than the first :-) I have also made good progress in the conventional school education, finishing the academic year on June 30th. This year's report card has been all 1's for me (that means A's in American terms), but one must say that this time the teachers have been exceptionally lenient with us, as otherwise a few 2's would probably have appeared there. Presently I am enjoying a deserved period of summer vacation which lasts for two months, July and August. On the 1st of September I am starting another academic year, the last one for me at the high school. This means that the next spring I am going to take the school-leaving exam, in which I will have to prove my knowledge in 4+ subjects, mostly of my choice. I am going to take the exam in Czech, Maths, English, German and Computer Programming, the latter one being an optional subject. It seems I will have to learn a lot before the exam (which takes place in May), so the following months are going to be very hard for me. But hopefully I will manage to fight it properly, as the following year is indeed almost whole dedicated to revision and preparation for that exam. After I pass it, the door will open to the world of universities. I already have an idea of where to go and most probably my further study will be dedicated to computer programming. It is also likely, that I am not going to have problems in being accepted for study, as the conditions of universities here are set up the way that students with excellent grades get usually accepted automatically. Also this year I participated the contest in English conversation, the same one I participated in the two previous years and vastly reported you then on. This time it has been the last chance for me to participate, and that has also made this year's round special, as for this reason the winners of the district rounds advanced into a regional round, which was not the way in the previous two years. Similarly as then, also this time I managed to win the competition first at school and then at the district level, so I became the lucky one who was allowed to advance to that regional round. There, however, the competition was really tough and all the competitors mastered English at least as well as me, plus the topic I drew to talk about was the worst it could be - imagine, how much you would be able to tell about the flat you live in, being amusing and attractive at the same time? Nevertheless, the eighth place which I gained sounds still pretty good to me. Although I have kind of limited my genealogical research in the recent months, there is still the enthusiasm in me and at the moment I am using it to advertise genealogy and my person on the public. Recently, an article was published in the countrywide Czech newspaper Pravo speaking about the trails I have used to expose the roots of my family, thus being a good example and motivation for the common folks to get interested in genealogy and start researching their own ancestry. The article, of course, is at the same time also a good tool of popularization of my person. It has been extraordinarily well written by an elderly journalist, whom I have never talked to in person. All the communication has been conducted by e-mail, but in spite of that the result is really an article worth reading. As I suppose that some of you might be interested in reading it, I have translated it into English and published both language versions in the internet, along with a scan showing how it originally appeared in the newspaper. So, if you are interested, have a look at the following links: http://www.blahus.cz/soc/2003/pravo/clanek.htm http://www.blahus.cz/soc/2003/pravo/clanek.jpg And yet to the last, most exciting piece of news, for which I have been keeping you in suspense until now. Those of you who have remarked the subject line of this message may yet suspect something, for all I will go on with the details. With the highest probability this summer will be a witness to the fulfillment of one my biggest dreams - to visit the United States of America. In June we received the visa and several days ago we booked the airplane tickets. My father and I are going to visit the USA in the second half of August. We are going to spend a week in Iowa with our American friend who visited us here the last year and we are going to spend another week in the region of New York / Washington in order to get to know the atmosphere of the eastern coast and the most famous sights of American history and today. It is definitely going to be a great experience for both of us! On this occasion I would like to ask those of you who live in the New York / Washington area to come up with a suggestion for a suitable cheap way of accommodation in that region, as we will have to lodge in some hotel there since we have no one there to stay at home with unlike in Iowa. Any suggestions on this topic will be welcome. The time has come to conlude this message and say good-bye to all of you, my dear friends, and thank you again for everything you have done for me. I had enjoyed the communication with you on the list and you will definitely stay in my thoughts for many more years. And if I memory would fail at times, I will still have that article on hand to refresh my memories of good friends. Best regards, Marek Blahus from Czech Republic If responding to this message, please make sure to respond to me privately (my address is marek@blahus.cz). Please do not send mail to the list, as I am no more its member and your message would not reach me in such a case. ===8<===========End of original message text===========

Hello Edith, I just came back from the library where I checked Vol. VII of the Leo Baca books. There were no Jindela's listed in that volume. However, I have asked the library to obtain another volume for me -- so far it has not come in yet and it was ordered about two months ago. Coincidently, there is a Jindela in my family line. My grandfather was a Jedlicka from Cirkvice, Bohemia (born in New York - father's name Vincent)- my grandfather, Frank, was born in 1885. My grandfather had a sister named Emma, born around 1880. Emma had a daughter known as Hattie (born around 1902). Hattie married a Rudolph Jindela and had three daughters, Barbara, Mary and Theresa. Wow that was a long story, wasn't it? What family is left live in Lanoka Harbor, New Jersey -- unfortunately no male lines to trace from this family. Any of this sound familiar? Susan W.

We too will be traveling in early fall. Will use the train while there. Any recommendations for mid-priced accomodations in Novy Jicin, and Olomouc? Am paying close attention to the Prague recommendations. Thanks.

Hi Mike The town I was referring to is Nymburk, north of Podebrady and northwest of Prague. My ancestors lived in Kostomlaty which is very close to Nymburk. On my research documents from the Prague archives it said nobility of Nymburk and my interpreter I had there who went with us to locate their property mentioned that they may have been knights. I should have asked more questions at the time. I have never tried to look them up to see if they are on any heraldry list. I assumed they were under the employment of the Castle Lords at Nymburk , not noble themselves. The name is Svolba or Swolba. Those families did not immigrate, except for my great grandmother. Thanks for your information. Regards, Millie

Millie We stayed at the Hotel Certousy. See all 3 sites below. http://www.motylek.com/certousy/default.asp http://www.prague-hotel.ws/prague-hotel-certousy.asp http://www.certousy.cz/certousy2004/CZ/index_cz.htm This quiet hotel is on the NE edge of Prague, about a 20-30 min drive to city center. Prices reasonable. VERY clean. Restaurant on premises. Parking in hotel lot in front of hotel.... secure. For car rental, try EUROCAR but BE SURE to arrange rental here in the U.S. BEFORE you leave. Prices much better. I think they arranged a rental by Budget (Prague Airport). Joe Pehoushek Pechousek, Praus, Thiede Subscribe to my FREE Conservative Clippings http://www.pehoushek.com/NEWSLETTER/newsletter.php ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrbkdb112@cs.com To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: (CZ) RE: Accomodations Cz Rep I am planning a trip for my husband and I for this fall to the Czech Republic. Does anyone in the group have any apecial places that were memorable for accomodations? Or, special places to see? We've been around Prague several times and would like to avoid the crowds this time. We have stayed in the Pyramida Hotel near the Castle and found it very nice with a wonderful breakfast buffet, but looking for other places like that that are reasonable and have a parking area for the car. Maybe, some other towns. We love castles. We're open to any and all suggestions. Also, a good car rental agency. Our last experience 2 years ago was a disaster as they tried to overcharge us. I'd really like to hear about your experiences and recommendations. Thanks, Millie researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny, Soukup ______________________________

Millie, Are you sure about the spelling, Nymburk? I have a Mikulas (Nicolas) Paur Neybursky of Neyburk, made a "vladyka" (lower nobility) by Emperor Rudolf II in Prague on 9 April, 1603. He definitely lived in Nepomuk in 1608. His son, Jan was apparently born in Nepomuk (1602) but after the Thirty Years War, relocated to Netolice where he died in 1674. Both Nepomuk and Netolice are located in southern Bohemia. Mike

i want to determine who, in my family, lived in a particular house in Cerniny. I have the name of the current owner......and approximate dates. judi HI Judi ! If you ever get to Czechia, I think youve been there? Then just look thru the Birth records book for the timeframe in question and you can scan for the house numbers. They will be in a separate column, easy to spot. Once you know the house #, then scan the pages for that same house number. You will sonnspot if another family lived in the house at a later date. If there is an Index that makes it easier to find your Surname. The above is for the later 1800 records. If your looking at the last 100 yrs, I think you have to go to the town. A shot in the dark might be to write to the town Mayor. I understand that all the towns have some " chronicler" for the village, maybe there is something there too? Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / HRABAC / KREISSINGER / CERMAK

I have one ancestor family that is classified as nobility of Nymburk. Does that mean they were nobles for the castle there?..... Hi Millie ! Yes, I would say so. Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / KREISSINGER / HRABAC / CERMAK

Hi Dorothy ! Ive never heard of the group you mention. Nor of an online style BBB. For all my trips to Czechia, ive only bought online once. Had no problems, it was with ORBITZ. But I think for 875, end of July that is a very good rate. If the trip is thru London, check British Airways website, and maybe you will find the same flights/differant fares. Be sure to check, it use to be from PHX to Prague, thru London on BA, you had to switch airports in London, cause they didnt have a direct flight. This may have changed by now. You will want to fly thu Heathrow ( not Gatwick ) I usually look online and find my connections, then call the airlines direct and see if the fare is the same or close. ALWAYS use a credit card to buy your tkt!!!! In PHX, try to find an Agency that is known as a tkt " Consolidator " they usually have great rates. Try Adventure Travel in Tempe, they use to be on University Dr, near the Hwy 101, they have moved and im not sure where to. Regards, Mike in AZ SWARTZ~SVARC / CERNY / HAJEK / HOSEK / KREISSINGER / CERMAK / HRABAC

I am planning a trip for my husband and I for this fall to the Czech Republic. Does anyone in the group have any apecial places that were memorable for accomodations? Or, special places to see? We've been around Prague several times and would like to avoid the crowds this time. We have stayed in the Pyramida Hotel near the Castle and found it very nice with a wonderful breakfast buffet, but looking for other places like that that are reasonable and have a parking area for the car. Maybe, some other towns. We love castles. We're open to any and all suggestions. Also, a good car rental agency. Our last experience 2 years ago was a disaster as they tried to overcharge us. I'd really like to hear about your experiences and recommendations. Thanks, Millie researching Herink,Stepan,Novotny,Vasik,Cherny, Soukup

Hi Dorothy: I am surprised that you are not using the largest and oldest Czech-American Travel agency in the United States (Chicago, IL) for your airline ticket. Give Weber Travel a call: 1-800-886-7012. They can probably get you the same price on British Air and you know who you are dealing with. Take care, Joe Hartzel > I am travelling to Czech Republic the end of July to attend the Czech > language school at Dobruska. The air fares have a wide range. > > Has anyone dealt with, or knows the reliability of, the company online > called ASAPtickets.com? They have quoted me a fare of $875 round trip > on British Air, only 1 stop in London from Phoenix. Are they reliable? > I know they are a consolidator type outfit, but I have never booked > travel online before. > > Is there such a thing as an online Better Business Bureau that they > advertise on their site? I will research myself, but if anyone knows > good or bad about them, please let me know ASAP. > > Dorothy >

I am travelling to Czech Republic the end of July to attend the Czech language school at Dobruska. The air fares have a wide range. Has anyone dealt with, or knows the reliability of, the company online called ASAPtickets.com? They have quoted me a fare of $875 round trip on British Air, only 1 stop in London from Phoenix. Are they reliable? I know they are a consolidator type outfit, but I have never booked travel online before. Is there such a thing as an online Better Business Bureau that they advertise on their site? I will research myself, but if anyone knows good or bad about them, please let me know ASAP. Dorothy

As Lillian observed, the details in these land records can make a line "come alive." But in addition to adding lively details to the pedigree, the land records can be crucial in untangling a line. The researcher I worked with on this line had run into a snag in the churchbooks - two married couples with exactly the names (Jan and Mariana Jenissta) in the same village in the 1700s. My ancestor Jakub's baptism showed he was the son of one of these couples, but it was not clear which. Since the farm he owned in the 1800s could be identified from later records, deeds were followed back and revealed which were the right ancestors. To locate land records for land owned by a serf, you must know what feudal estate they were in. Usually the serfs in a given village were under the same estate, but this is not always true. Over time individual houses and associated fields, together with their serfs, might have been conveyed to another feudal owner, perhaps ending up owned by a feudal estate some distance off. As an example, the royal City of Litomysl purchased the village of Sloupnice from its feudal lord in the mid-1500s. The people in the village remained serfs but now owed their feudal obligations to the city government in the same fashion as they had to the prior feudal lord. But a small handful of houses in Sloupnice, with their associated fields and serfs, had previously been sold and as late as the 1840s, a dozen or so scattered houses in the village were owned by a different feudal estate, the estate of Chocen, seated about 5 miles to the northeast. So land records for those particular farms would be among the estate records for Chocen (now probably in the district archives at Zamrsk) while the rest of the land records for this village are in the City Archives at Litomysl. >>> Lillian Bodker <kidos4@webtv.net> 7/7/2004 5:54:20 PM >>> Kevin, Thanks much for sharing the translation of the deed with us. It is very interesting and its good to know that this kind of information is available. Seems to make the family history "alive". Lillian

I would also be interested in an example of land records. thanks Darla Hoskins (Barta) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Pytr" <maxi@raz-dva.cz> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: [CZ] Re: Land Records in Moravia, CZ Republic > Dear Carl, > > My name is Martin Pytr, I am a full-time researcher and I live at northern > Moravia. > Several times I worked with land records, stored at Zemsky Archiv at Opava, > where are stored records from northern Moravia and Czech Silesia. > Land records as resources for genealogy was on of my presentations at CGSI > conference at Houston, last year (www.cgsi.org) > > ------ > Land registers are stored in the Regional State Archives. Records described > mainly the changes of the holders of farmsteads, houses and and another > immovables. The records tells not only about the succession of farmstead > holders by the time but often also about their material relations and duties > to the parents and siblings. New holder had to pay to siblings their parts > and also to care about the former holders, who were mostly his parents. > In the land registers are also written a lot of interesting facts about the > prices of the properties (what were in different numbers and curency, and > changed during the times), numbers and kinds of domestic animals and fruit > trees hold by the farmstead holder, bout their taxes, debts and heritages, > about the drudgery and another obligations of the peasant to the landlords. > Land registers sometimes referred also about destroyed and deserted > farmsteads as the consequences of wars or natural disasters. Another > interesting fact what the land registers refering about, is problem of the > escaping peasants. It happened sometimes that the holder left his farmstead > and escaped to the another domain. It was mainly for the debts but sometimes > also for too high number of obligation in drudgery or for confessional > oppression. > Land registers are written in Czech and German languages, since the end of > the 18th century the records were written in German language also in Czech > speaking areas. > ------- > > If you wish I can send you some examples of land records. > I am also ready to research in the land registers for you. > > Martin Pytr > Potocni 381 > MORKOV 742 72 > Czech Republic > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl Linert" <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> > To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:25 PM > Subject: Land Records in Moravia, CZ Republic > > > > I will post this message again. Hope to get some > > responses this time. > > > > Has anybody on the list ever researched the land > > records from the Czech archives, particularly in the > > Northern Moravia area? Just curious about > > how useful they are in genealogical research. > > > > Thanks, > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. >

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Dear Carl, My name is Martin Pytr, I am a full-time researcher and I live at northern Moravia. Several times I worked with land records, stored at Zemsky Archiv at Opava, where are stored records from northern Moravia and Czech Silesia. Land records as resources for genealogy was on of my presentations at CGSI conference at Houston, last year (www.cgsi.org) ------ Land registers are stored in the Regional State Archives. Records described mainly the changes of the holders of farmsteads, houses and and another immovables. The records tells not only about the succession of farmstead holders by the time but often also about their material relations and duties to the parents and siblings. New holder had to pay to siblings their parts and also to care about the former holders, who were mostly his parents. In the land registers are also written a lot of interesting facts about the prices of the properties (what were in different numbers and curency, and changed during the times), numbers and kinds of domestic animals and fruit trees hold by the farmstead holder, bout their taxes, debts and heritages, about the drudgery and another obligations of the peasant to the landlords. Land registers sometimes referred also about destroyed and deserted farmsteads as the consequences of wars or natural disasters. Another interesting fact what the land registers refering about, is problem of the escaping peasants. It happened sometimes that the holder left his farmstead and escaped to the another domain. It was mainly for the debts but sometimes also for too high number of obligation in drudgery or for confessional oppression. Land registers are written in Czech and German languages, since the end of the 18th century the records were written in German language also in Czech speaking areas. ------- If you wish I can send you some examples of land records. I am also ready to research in the land registers for you. Martin Pytr Potocni 381 MORKOV 742 72 Czech Republic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Linert" <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Land Records in Moravia, CZ Republic > I will post this message again. Hope to get some > responses this time. > > Has anybody on the list ever researched the land > records from the Czech archives, particularly in the > Northern Moravia area? Just curious about > how useful they are in genealogical research. > > Thanks, > Carl > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ______________________________

I have been searching for the location of the village of Cenkov for several years. Does the following make sense, or am I running off track? I have a copy of a contract my great grandfather made to cancel rent of a mill at "Cenkov, Horovive dominion". I believe this Cenkov (one of several in Bohemia) is the one located 10 km Southeast of Horovice, and 2 km Southeast of Jince. I believe this to be so because of the information I found on Ing. Felix Gundacker's great web site http://www.ihff.at/indexstarte.htm which describes THIS Cenkov to be in the "former judicial denomination of Horovice", and in the "Parish attribution" of Jince. Any comments directly or via this group are much appreciated. Joe Pehoushek (Pechousek) Punta Gorda, FL

To: Czech Mail List Martin Pytr is listed as a professional researcher at the CZECH Mail List web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/Czech_Researchers.htm The link to this page is found on the home page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Martin Pytr I, like many others, have had an interest in accessing land records and the other records described by Karel Kysilka: http://members.tripod.com/~zlimpkk/Genealogy/brnoarchives.html Can you make a general statement about the differences between the records held by the main archives in Prague and Brno compared to the district archives? Are the district archives more complete for that region. Secondly, how difficult is it to locate these records in a given archive compared to the Vital Registers? Does it taker many days of searching to find one family or are there indexes available at trhe archive to locate these records easily? Lastly, how extensive are these holdings on a percentage basis? For example, I have a family that lived in Nasedlovice, Moravia and they apparently were members of a Protestant Evangelical sect. Registries for the Evangelical parish (and all Catholic registries) were searched but did not provide any vital records on this one particular family. Would land records provide information about this family circa 1800 and would they be in Brno? Personally, thank you for responding to the question because this topic has been brought up many time before with no informative discussions. Ron Mlejnek At 12:56 PM 07/07/2004, you wrote: >Dear Carl, > >My name is Martin Pytr, I am a full-time researcher and I live at northern >Moravia. >Several times I worked with land records, stored at Zemsky Archiv at Opava, >where are stored records from northern Moravia and Czech Silesia. >Land records as resources for genealogy was on of my presentations at CGSI >conference at Houston, last year (www.cgsi.org) > >------ >Land registers are stored in the Regional State Archives. Records described >mainly the changes of the holders of farmsteads, houses and and another >immovables. The records tells not only about the succession of farmstead >holders by the time but often also about their material relations and duties >to the parents and siblings. New holder had to pay to siblings their parts >and also to care about the former holders, who were mostly his parents. >In the land registers are also written a lot of interesting facts about the >prices of the properties (what were in different numbers and curency, and >changed during the times), numbers and kinds of domestic animals and fruit >trees hold by the farmstead holder, bout their taxes, debts and heritages, >about the drudgery and another obligations of the peasant to the landlords. >Land registers sometimes referred also about destroyed and deserted >farmsteads as the consequences of wars or natural disasters. Another >interesting fact what the land registers refering about, is problem of the >escaping peasants. It happened sometimes that the holder left his farmstead >and escaped to the another domain. It was mainly for the debts but sometimes >also for too high number of obligation in drudgery or for confessional >oppression. >Land registers are written in Czech and German languages, since the end of >the 18th century the records were written in German language also in Czech >speaking areas. >------- > >If you wish I can send you some examples of land records. >I am also ready to research in the land registers for you. > >Martin Pytr >Potocni 381 >MORKOV 742 72 >Czech Republic > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carl Linert" <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> >To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:25 PM >Subject: Land Records in Moravia, CZ Republic > > > > I will post this message again. Hope to get some > > responses this time. > > > > Has anybody on the list ever researched the land > > records from the Czech archives, particularly in the > > Northern Moravia area? Just curious about > > how useful they are in genealogical research. > > > > Thanks, > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > ______________________________ > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >for list discussion.

Karel Kysilka identified the sources of various land records at the Brno Archives from 1310-1928: http://members.tripod.com/~zlimpkk/ http://members.tripod.com/~zlimpkk/Genealogy/brnoarchives.html From Mr. Kysilka's statements, I would infer that all the records for Moravia must be held in the Moravian Provincial Archives in Brno. From that I would also infer that all the same records for Bohemia would be kept somewhere in Prague, probably the State Central Archive. I suspect these records are being kept for scholarly research about Czech History by Czech historians and not used as primary source of information for family histories. Indeed, they probably are of minimal value until you already have all the members of a family identified and documented from parish registries. Another source of information is: http://www.shon.150m.com/czechhtm.htm Basically, I am of the opinion that land records are probably of marginal value to any family history search. If one had enough time or available funds, it might be of value to have such records searched to fill in informational "gaps" that cannot be obtained from parish registries. Similarly, each town or village had a designated local historian who maintained a chronicle of events. Many village histories are still available, but many have also been destroyed by fires, floods and other catastrophic events. If your family is described in one of these chronicles, the information is wonderful because it puts a personal "spin" on events of that time period. Ron Mlejnek