--=======55ED2CF======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43231F34; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Old Homes of New Americans: Country Life in Bohemia and Moravia Chapter 3 http://www.iarelative.com/oldhomes/chap_03.htm Old Homes of New Americans: Polish Country Life in Ancient Days Chapter 6 http://www.iarelative.com/oldhomes/chap_06.htm Ron Mlejnek At 11:09 PM 08/09/2004, you wrote: >I have been searching for information about the physical description of the >dwellings of our ancestors for some time and have not found much. What I >found >was generic (for Europe) so I do not know if it applied to the peasants of >Bohemia and to which time period. Below is a summary of that information. > >The dwellings were constructed of local building materials: wood, wattle and >dub pressed on to and into reeds and willow twigs, stone masonry. or log >construction. The house or hut was a meager one or two-room dwelling with a >thatched roof of reeds and straw, which was an easy target for enemy >soldiers. Some >time later, tile roofs became popular. Some dwellings were constructed of >earth >kneaded with straw, in block form and stacked up to 2 feet thick. Another >report indicated that some people lived in underground burrows (this may >not have >been in Bohemia). > >There would be a fire pit for heat, with a hole in the roof for the smoke to >escape. This would result in smoke / soot covered walls and dark interiors, >which would create a health problem. Sometimes animals would live in a >part of >the dwelling. The animals would help supply some warmth. There might be one >window, with paper in the opening. This probably was before the glass making >industry came into existence. > >There was also a description of 2 and 3 story homes with iron railings over >the windows; this must have been later, perhaps after 1865. > >Can anyone correct or add to this? Also, how much of this was applicable to >Bohemia and in what years? Does any one have a description of the >dwellings of >the 1500s or 1600s? > >Thanks, >Glenn > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 08/06/2004 --=======55ED2CF======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43231F34 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 08/06/2004 --=======55ED2CF=======--

--=======77022E97======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43231F34; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This web site of the Czech town of Frysava is the best one I have ever seen. It has lists of residents from early Czech Census Records, old maps, and photos. http://frysava.tripod.com/index.htm http://frysava.tripod.com/genealogy.htm If anyone has a connection to this village, this is the place to start. Ron Mlejnek PS There are a lot of annoying "pop-ups", but still worth the effort to navigate the site. --=======77022E97======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43231F34 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 08/06/2004 --=======77022E97=======--

How about an archeologist's notes concerning the life of dwellers in 1700s in Delaware? It is quite fascinating and one cannot ignore that the people and customs there would have been influenced by their own European backgrounds. http://www.deldot.net/static/projects/archaeology/augustine_creek/chapter_1.html Elaine The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. --Steven Wright Hello Gjs332 On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, you wrote > I have been searching for information about the > physical description of the > dwellings of our ancestors for some time and have not found much. What I found > was generic (for Europe) so I do not know if it applied to the peasants of > Bohemia and to which time period. Below is a summary of that information. <snip>

To Glenn who wrote: I have been searching for information about the physical description of the dwellings of our ancestors I would guess that the peasant dwelling in Czech area were similar to those of their more western/northern counterparts. There is a museum in Marianske Tynec that has a 'typical' dwelling, probably 17th/18 century-ish. It appears to be like a whitewashed mud brick (Wattle and dab) dwelling, with place for animals connected by a hallway to the main dwelling. There is a straw/reed roof like that still found in areas of the world like England who want to keep the tradition going. Typically, living area for family is a single room, with a small room for food storage. Anettka

continueing --- In a discussion of the village fires -- Even today fires occur which burn down whole villages, like several years ago Tschies near Buchau. In our area the danger of fire was minimized by gables built from masonry and hard roofing material. In this context it should be condiered that a barn of today has a contents three times that of previous periods. With the reduction of the straw roofs the increase in tile roofs went hand in hand. The first brick ovens used to be heated by wood, the roof tiles burnt by wood were an excellent product and lasted on some roofs for more than 100 years. The last straw roof in Furwitz was covered in the year 1906 on the barn of karl Pohl No 14, or respectively was repaired in large part with straw. For the last time a "Scheible-Binder" (a man that bundled the straw) performed his craft, which now belongs to the past. In describing the old structures in Furwitz in 1928 he describes drawn pictures of houses -- Low slung house, as they were built around 1700. Straw roof covered with moss, bark gable, ceiling wooden slats, floor dirt or boards, frame (hand) hewn beams. This model does not exist any more today. Built till the year 1800 -- shingle or tile roof -- second floor wooden frame structure. Bottom part built from stones. Covered with roofing tiles. Old barn -- roof covered by shingles or tiles -- wooden and frame walls Hope this helps. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gjs332@wmconnect.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [CZ] Peasant dwelling, discription? > I have been searching for information about the physical description of the > dwellings of our ancestors for some time and have not found much. What I found > was generic (for Europe) so I do not know if it applied to the peasants of > Bohemia and to which time period. Below is a summary of that information. > > The dwellings were constructed of local building materials: wood, wattle and > dub pressed on to and into reeds and willow twigs, stone masonry. or log > construction. The house or hut was a meager one or two-room dwelling with a > thatched roof of reeds and straw, which was an easy target for enemy soldiers. Some > time later, tile roofs became popular. Some dwellings were constructed of earth > kneaded with straw, in block form and stacked up to 2 feet thick. Another > report indicated that some people lived in underground burrows (this may not have > been in Bohemia). > > There would be a fire pit for heat, with a hole in the roof for the smoke to > escape. This would result in smoke / soot covered walls and dark interiors, > which would create a health problem. Sometimes animals would live in a part of > the dwelling. The animals would help supply some warmth. There might be one > window, with paper in the opening. This probably was before the glass making > industry came into existence. > > There was also a description of 2 and 3 story homes with iron railings over > the windows; this must have been later, perhaps after 1865. > > Can anyone correct or add to this? Also, how much of this was applicable to > Bohemia and in what years? Does any one have a description of the dwellings of > the 1500s or 1600s? > > Thanks, > Glenn > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. > >

I have a book written in 1928 that is the Memorial Book for the village of Furwitz, located near Dekau. (Bohemian village) The author goes back in history to describe life in the village. Here are some pages about the housing: The properties (farmsteads) and cottages which were grouped around a spacious rectangular village square were separated sideways from each other by a garden, which most certainly had a practical value. Modern was this arrangement insofar as it lessened the danger of fire by a separation from each farm yard. To be sure the empty spaces were later filled with more homes. They were at first scantily, later more carefully erected, were of wooden framework construction with small windows, low on the outside, low on the inside. Tall people bumped their head against the ceiling. A "Sahlerdecke", a ceiling made of a clay coated straw mat, completed a warm and healthy dwelling. The wood used was of the best quality throughout. The hearth was made of tiles, the smoke emptied into a black (I think this should be back) kitchen ending in a chimney. The smoke was caught with hoods from the baking oven and the "Gutzer" with hoods. The homes had only one level. The roofs were steep and with overhangs. They protected the paved walk along the front (at the same time a storage place for the baking utensils, pots and pails.). The roofs were covered with rye straw bundles, later with shingles. Later stables and dwellings were contructed of massive masonry and adorned with artful cupolas. Because of the development of the hop culture a second story became necessary. After the lifting of the robot buildings were of solid masonry and covered with tile roofs. The first roof of artificial slate, on the shed of Fritz Miksch, was laid in 1925. Previously buildings were built of clay, only for the stucco and vaults lime was used. Insulation of the foundation came only later in use. Protection against lightning provided previously the tall trees, today almost every house has an arrangement of lightning arresters. After the war building activity was strongest. None of the owners had to build (straw) shacks. The second exit gate in the barns was eliminated as not necessary. For the allignment of the irregular frontages new building codes exist. On another page he writes -- Slavic villages are mostly in a round form around the village pond. The old villages of German origin are mostly row villages, which were founded in the last P_emyslides by German immigrants in primeval forests along water courses. Every farm yard had its own closed area and its own road to the fields. These row villages could be enlarged on demand and are still typical in the Schonhengstgau. Then describing the oldest house in the village -- Consisting of the 200 year old wooden shepherds house, a part with a masonry foundation and the part with a foundation of the shepherds stable made into living quarters, demolised in 1925. With it disappeared the last part of Old-Furwitz. Already in 1866 the Prussians that moved in remarked unfavorable about the old shack. The newer part had a hard roof, the other shingles. It consisted of 3 rooms for living space and a room for quarantine. (Before the church was built in Furwitz and provided a room for a death chamber, it was previously used for this purpose.) One of the village poor, Kornelius Maier, was the former owner of the cottage No 13. His father, brick maker 43 at the local brick works, was 1862 killed by a fall from the drying floor. I'll send one more but this one is getting too long. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gjs332@wmconnect.com> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [CZ] Peasant dwelling, discription? > I have been searching for information about the physical description of the > dwellings of our ancestors for some time and have not found much. What I found > was generic (for Europe) so I do not know if it applied to the peasants of > Bohemia and to which time period. Below is a summary of that information. > > The dwellings were constructed of local building materials: wood, wattle and > dub pressed on to and into reeds and willow twigs, stone masonry. or log > construction. The house or hut was a meager one or two-room dwelling with a > thatched roof of reeds and straw, which was an easy target for enemy soldiers. Some > time later, tile roofs became popular. Some dwellings were constructed of earth > kneaded with straw, in block form and stacked up to 2 feet thick. Another > report indicated that some people lived in underground burrows (this may not have > been in Bohemia). > > There would be a fire pit for heat, with a hole in the roof for the smoke to > escape. This would result in smoke / soot covered walls and dark interiors, > which would create a health problem. Sometimes animals would live in a part of > the dwelling. The animals would help supply some warmth. There might be one > window, with paper in the opening. This probably was before the glass making > industry came into existence. > > There was also a description of 2 and 3 story homes with iron railings over > the windows; this must have been later, perhaps after 1865. > > Can anyone correct or add to this? Also, how much of this was applicable to > Bohemia and in what years? Does any one have a description of the dwellings of > the 1500s or 1600s? > > Thanks, > Glenn > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. > >

I have been searching for information about the physical description of the dwellings of our ancestors for some time and have not found much. What I found was generic (for Europe) so I do not know if it applied to the peasants of Bohemia and to which time period. Below is a summary of that information. The dwellings were constructed of local building materials: wood, wattle and dub pressed on to and into reeds and willow twigs, stone masonry. or log construction. The house or hut was a meager one or two-room dwelling with a thatched roof of reeds and straw, which was an easy target for enemy soldiers. Some time later, tile roofs became popular. Some dwellings were constructed of earth kneaded with straw, in block form and stacked up to 2 feet thick. Another report indicated that some people lived in underground burrows (this may not have been in Bohemia). There would be a fire pit for heat, with a hole in the roof for the smoke to escape. This would result in smoke / soot covered walls and dark interiors, which would create a health problem. Sometimes animals would live in a part of the dwelling. The animals would help supply some warmth. There might be one window, with paper in the opening. This probably was before the glass making industry came into existence. There was also a description of 2 and 3 story homes with iron railings over the windows; this must have been later, perhaps after 1865. Can anyone correct or add to this? Also, how much of this was applicable to Bohemia and in what years? Does any one have a description of the dwellings of the 1500s or 1600s? Thanks, Glenn

I'm looking for a JAMES PETERKA who arrived in 1882, according to what was reported on a census. He would have been 2 or 3 years old. I believe his parents' names to be MICHAEL & KATHERINA (PANSKY) PETERKA. Thanks! Liz Gillpatrick Researching PETERKA, KOCOVSKY, VIKTORA, MIKODA

Hi, Jerry. Your GECHO is probably a misread of CECHO, which might be an abbreviation for CECHOSLOVAK, where the first C would have a hook ovser it. Joe

I've just located a relative in New York City (Queens) on the 1930 federal census who emigrated to the US in 1896 from Slovakia. Under language spoken, the enumerator entered "G E C H O". Does anyone know what the acronym 'GECHO' means? Thank you, Jerry Forman

The article below from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by chook@starpower.net. /--------- E-mail Sponsored by Fox Searchlight ------------\ GARDEN STATE: NOW PLAYING IN NY & LA - SELECT CITIES AUG 6 GARDEN STATE stars Zach Braff, Natalie Portman, Peter Sarsgaard and Ian Holm. NEWSWEEK's David Ansen says "Writer-Director Zach Braff has a genuine filmmaker's eye and is loaded with talent." Watch the teaser trailer that has all of America buzzing and talk back with Zach Braff on the Garden State Blog at: http://www.foxsearchlight.com/gardenstate/index_nyt.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Czech Music With Nary a Polka to Be Found August 8, 2004 By MICHAEL BECKERMAN WHY is it that while Grieg is always identified as Norwegian and Borodin as Russian, commentators seldom refer to Mozart as Austrian? Two centuries ago, German-speaking composers dominated the world of instrumental music, and for their efforts, they lost their modifier. They and their Germanic successors got to write Music with a capital M, but Bartok's works - even those not written in a self-consciously "national" style - were deemed Hungarian; Vaughan Williams's, English; and Copland's, American. Yet that was long ago. Does nationality still matter to music in an age of globalization? What, for example, does it mean to be a Czech composer after the fall of Communism and the splintering of Czechoslovakia? "People are free when they have a wider perspective," said Krystof Maratka, the composer in residence at the Caramoor International Music Festival in Katonah, N.Y., which is staging a minifestival, "Celebrating Two Centuries of Czech Music," from Thursday through Saturday. "When they are not frightened, they are rich inside and can be themselves." Mr. Maratka (pronounced MAHR-zhaht-kah), 32, was speaking from his home in Paris, where he moved, he said, in part "to be a really Czech composer." It has been more than 150 years since "national music" first became a rallying cry in Eastern Europe and 125 years since the Czech master Bedrich Smetana wrote his flowing description of Prague's great river, "The Moldau" (from "My Fatherland"), which is featured in the final program at Caramoor. Whether or not his music is national in any meaningful way, Mr. Maratka is surely aware of national traditions. "I come from an artistic family," he said. Indeed, shortly after the death of Dvorak (another composer featured in all three concerts), Mr. Maratka's grandfather, the sculptor Josef Maratka, molded Dvorak's death mask and produced exquisite models for a Dvorak memorial, which was never realized. In their passion and sense of civic pride, those models reflect the work of Josef Maratka's mentor Rodin, especially "The Burghers of Calais." So Krystof Maratka came of age aware of an artistic and, especially, a Czech pedigree. Yet the "Czech style," as developed by Smetana and Dvorak, relied on a combination of ancient tales and legends or ethno-touristic dances like polkas and furiants, elements wholly lacking in Mr. Maratka's music. The first concert of the Caramoor series features music by Mr. Maratka, Smetana, Dvorak and Janacek, and the works of those earlier composers all refer to something outside themselves. The first movement of Dvorak's exquisite Terzetto, rarely played, is strangely labeled "Introduction." Introduction to what? The Larghetto that follows only deepens the mystery. Quoting from one of Dvorak's Serbian Songs, "You Cannot Escape From Love," it suggests some important secret. Smetana's Piano Trio in G minor heartbreakingly invokes Clara Schumann's trio, in the same key, as a memorial for his little daughter Bedrisska, who he had hoped would, like Clara, be a musician revered in her own right. Janacek's First String Quartet ("Kreutzer Sonata"), based on a story by Tolstoy inspired by a violin sonata by Beethoven, is, according to Janacek, at least in part a portrait of the "pitiable woman" murdered in the story. Does Mr. Maratka's piano quartet "Exaltum," in the same program, also refer to something outside the music? At first it appears not. " `Exaltum' is a piece about energy," Mr. Maratka said. "It becomes more and more exalted, much more agitated. The piece gradually goes out of control and concludes with a crazy gyrating." But then he referred to Andrei Tarkovsky's psychological sci-fi parable "Stalker," from 1979. "In the middle of the film," Mr. Maratka said, "there is a quote from Lao Tzu: `What is tender is sublime, and what is strong and rigid is close to death.' This kind of thinking is part of `Exaltum.' " So this piece would seem to offer a representative slice of Czech music, which is full of works referring to personal secrets and to Slavic and German worlds, both conforming to and seeking to evade traditional notions of "absolute," or pure, music. Mr. Maratka is elusive on this subject and also about having his works presented in an all-Czech context. "For the French," he said, "I am a Czech composer. But I do not really cultivate such an identity. Many people listening to my music tell me that there is something Czech about it. Certainly, my language is Czech, and my greatest master is Janacek. To have a premiere of my first orchestral piece in such a context is fantastic." That piece, to be presented on Saturday, is "Otisk" ("Imprint"), subtitled "A Paleolithic Stratum of Pre-Instrumental Music." Mr. Maratka has long been fascinated by the beginnings of art and what sounds human beings might have produced before music. "I studied this subject and read many books about prehistoric cave art," Mr. Maratka said, "and I find it a site of what I call true life. I am inspired by things made by human beings and the ways in which they touch our lives." He understood that he was entering here on an area of fiction. "We have bone instruments and musical stones," he said, "but we don't know how these instruments were used. The most interesting instrument was the human voice, and we do not know what it sounded like, so I offer my own vision of it. To create the form of `Otisk,' I imagined a vast archaeological site where you may find many extracts of historical music. The instruments play, but they are not conducted, because time does not yet exist." He wryly connects this conceit to Dvorak's famous war horse: "I call it the Symphony `From the Old World.' " How should an audience approach such a work? "Well, I believe that contrast gives form to life," Mr. Maratka said. "Day and night, the seasons, are always formed by contrast. In my music you can find contrasts, and that allows listeners to follow and make sense of it." Mr. Maratka is ambivalent about his audience. "For me the audience is very important," he said. "I live with a family of musicians, and it is necessary for me to see the music in the eyes of the listener in order to form an opinion, and I also like to talk about music with an audience. On the other hand, I don't think that I would change my style or make it easier to make it accessible to the audience." Peter Oundjian, the music director of the Caramoor Festival, who will conduct the premiere of `Otisk,' says, "The score has a certain conviction, flavor and flair, and though it doesn't have Slavic character, it carries some of the feeling of a Janacek work." But after all of that, is `Otisk' a Czech piece, or does it only seem so when placed alongside such outsize masterpieces as Smetana's "Moldau" and Dvorak's Cello Concerto? "I don't think I have a French way of musical thinking, which is based more on timbre, color and the mixing of colors," Mr. Maratka said. "My music aims to be directly expressive, and this is achieved in part by strong rhythms." He seems to have in mind the same kind of power described by critics anticipating the arrival of Dvorak in the New World more than a century ago: that barbaric Slavic yawp tracing the equation between rhythmic pulse and emotional truth. Such issues are difficult to avoid in this context but tricky to resolve. Mr. Maratka worries that even asking these questions may limit the response to his music. "I don't want to tie the hands of the audience," he said, "because the music should speak for itself." In voicing such concerns, he shares a legacy with those figures, from Smetana on, who displayed their Czech identity with ambivalence and even frustration but also with pleasure and pride.   Michael Beckerman is the author of "New Worlds of Dvorak: Searching in America for the Composer's Inner Life," and other books. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/08/arts/music/08BECK.html?ex=1092938012&ei=1&en=4030feecc0a21235 --------------------------------- Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! 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jcathj_1999@yahoo.com is not a subscriber to the mailing list. Please directly write to her with suggestions. Elaine ***************** This is a forwarded message From: jcathj_1999@yahoo.com <jcathj_1999@yahoo.com> To: rvmlejnek@navix.net Date: Saturday, August 7, 2004, 1:25:59 PM Subject: CZECH Surname Query Entry . # output form. OUTPUT_FORM= Jansen, < jcathj_1999@yahoo.com > has sent the following query to the CZECH Mail List: Query= I am researching my fathers family and have found 3 cards (photoPwith writing on them. Do you have knowledge as to where I might send them (copy) for translation? His family came from Austra- Hungary, but his parents and some siblings stayed over there. Any suggestions would be so helpfue. Am in my 70&#39;s and trying to compile history for all my family. Thanks so mucj Janet .

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With thanks to KarenHob@aol.com for the information below. Elaine ************************ I have a copy of a reply from the War Archive to a query about a World War I Hungarian / Slovak soldier. The reply ways that they now will only do 1/2 hour of research free. After that it costs 28 Euro per 1/2 hour. They estimate that looking at all of the applications for medals, citations for individual soldiers ( the soldier in question had a medal) and all of the casualties, missing and POW reports for that regiment will take 1 1/2 hours. The fee is the same even when nothing is found. There is an additional estimated charge of 20 EU for copies if anything is fourd. The letter includes a copy of a "Recherche-Auftrag" that lists the specific records that will be searched which is supposed to be signed and sent to them with payment if the client wants to go ahead with the research. Results will take up to 8 weeks to collect and mail. In the past there have always been instructions to transfer funds to their bank account with the account number but this time there are none. There is no mention of how the payment should be made or whether they will accept a personal check in the US$ or any other currency equivalent. There is a possibility there are instructions for payment at their website. The LDS has WW I casualty records in their regimental Kirchenbuch. But some of them are also associated with hospitals that were near the front on which a given regiment was fighting. This complicates research because you have to know the names of the hospitals to find them in the LDS films. That means knowing which ones were nearest to the front...their locations are in the title details and a Place Search should find them if you know the names of all places within 30-50 miles of the front. Another complication is that regimental Kirchenbuch only list the deaths that were reported to the regimental staff. Deaths in the field had to be reported by any survivors -- IF there were any. Hospital deaths did not always get reported to the regiments. Some men whose deaths in the field were not reported were carried as missing for quite some time before a death report might show up in a regimental Kirchenbuch. So a man could have died in 1916 but the death listing might be mixed in with the 1917 records in the regimental Kirchenbuch. (That is true for any war Austria fought). There are campaign maps for WW I on the Internet that show what army groups were in which general area at a given time. Find them with searchwords: USMA Great War Atlas That search also lists a number of other hits that are well worth investigating. To learn which army group on a campaign map included a specific regiment look at the Orders of Battle at the Austro-Hungarian Army web site built by Glenn Jewison. Use his name to search for it. Jewison also has a chart of the dispositions of each regiment in 1914 at his web site. It tells whether any battalions were detached for service on the southern or Italian fronts while the rest of the regiment was on the Eastern Front. Explore Jewison's site carefully. Some of the biographies of regimental commanders also include a short history of where the regiment was fighting under a commander. If the commander's name is a blue link on the order of battle be sure to click on it. If an ancestor was in a regiment that had a detached battalion that widens the search for hospital locations unless there is family lore indicating that he was in Italy or Serbia. I am reading Hans Pölzer's "Drei Tage am Isonzo" and it is about the 9th Jägers moving off the Eastern Front and down to Italy to replace a Hungarian unit that was nearly destroyed at a position there. So there are some units that served on more than one front -- another complication if one wants to find death records. All of this means that some of this research takes real expertise. At this time I believe the war archive is the only place where one can find out where an ancestor's battalion served during the entire war. The LDS has a lot of WW I records on film but they are not yet in their library catalog - except a lot of the Kirchenbuch (death records). They are putting them in the catalog as fast as they can do so but it may be a very long time before all of them are there. At the moment there is a problem with the permission to use certain WW I films from the archive which may take a while to clear up. The war archive has links or information for two research organizations in Vienna who will do research including Felix Gudacker's group whose reputation is well-established and one other -- Adler, a group established more than 50 years ago. There are also some personnel employed by the archive who will do private research during their free time. A new genealogy research service that includes some historians as well as archivists has just put up a web site. Go to: http://historiker.at and click on the Austrian flag. At present the site is in German only. Click on Unser Team on left of first page for the list of people doing this work. There is no mention of fee structure but there is an Edress for the group. The LINKS at that website are for Archives in the Republic of Austria and South America and to various historical institutions at various universities. Karen

I don't keep tabs on the Yahoo Texas Czechs group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TexasCzechs/messages/> because they are so-o-o-o active -- I wouldn't have time for anything else. But I found this last time I did, and thought there might be others out there who are interested. CZECH TEXAS: A CZECHERED PAST Summer State Meeting and Genealogy Conference Sponsored by The Czech Heritage Society of Texas AUGUST 13 ? 14, 2004 KC Hall Schulenburg, Texas NOTE: This conference precedes Prazska Pout (annual homecoming) in Praha on August 15. Attendance is FREE/Saturday Lunch is $7.00 Friday, August 13, 2004 Welcome 11:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. Opening Ceremony & Registration Speaker 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. Laurie Gudzikowski from the Institute of Texan Cultures "How to Interview Your Relatives" Speaker 2:15 - 3:15 p.m. Martha Jones, Victoria Genealogy Columnist "Texas Courthouse Records" Speaker 3:30 - 4:30 p.m. pending Free Time 4:30 - 7:00 p.m. Czech Heritage Society of Texas Traveling Library Research Time/Visit Booths August 13-14, 2004 TexasCzechs eGroup members will set up their computers and help with research methods August 14, 2004, Saturday Tom Shelton from the Institute of Texan Cultures will photograph and document your old photos for archival purposes. Registration 8:00 - 9:00 a.m. Music, Exhibits, Visiting & Vendor Displays Speaker 9:00 - 10:00 a.m. Kathy Horak Smith "Computer Genealogy" CHS State Meeting 10:15 - 11:30 a.m. Czech Heritage Society of Texas Summer State Meeting Guest: Vratislav Janda, Deputy Chief of Mission and Political Counselor Lunch 11:30 - 1:00 p.m. Lunch/Research/Visit Booths Speaker 1:30 - 2:30 p.m. Doug Kubicek, Lavaca County Historian "Reading Photographs" Free Time 2:45 - 5:00 p.m. Czech Heritage Society of Texas Traveling Library Research Time/Visit Booths For registration information and lunch count, contact your local CHS chapter. Non-members should contact Janis Hrncir at 361-596-7525 or email Janice at hrncir@gvec.net VENDORS contact - State Treasurer, Rita Vanek at 979-543-6220 or email Frankie@wcnet.net LODGING: A block of rooms has been set aside for Friday, August 13 and Saturday, August 14 at Executive Inn (800 N. US Hwy 77), north of IH 10 and US 77 in Schulenburg. Reservations must be made before July 25. The Czech Heritage Society of Texas' rate is $59.00/night for two beds and continental breakfast. Reserve through the manager, Cindy, at 979-743-4590. Other Hallettsville motels DIRECTIONS: From I-10 EAST, take the US-77 exit towards LA GRANGE/SCHULENBURG, exit #674 Jan Esenwein M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 Houston TX 77030 713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 jesenwei@mdanderson.org

=~=~=~= URL: http://members.tripod.com/heraldika_genealogie/ TITLE: Klub pro ceskou heraldiku a genealogii DESCRIPTION: Czech association for heraldry and genealogy. The above was just listed with Cyndi's List.

Recently I mentioned that Windows XP lacked a program for manipulating images as good as Microsoft "Imager", a program that came with Windows 95/98/98SE. After further checking, I relaized that there is that capability in Windows XP. I one is using XP, click on any JPEG file and a program called "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer" will open. That program can only print images having the correct aspect ratios or else it "clips" the images. Also, you have few choices in size. However, on the bottom tooolbar of "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer", there is a link to a program called "Microsoft Photo Editor". It is beween the "Save" Icon (Floppy disk) and Help Icon (?). It will also open with the [Ctrl] + E key. In the program "Photo Editor", you have a lot of control on the size of the image that is printed, where it is printed on the page, and a variety of filters and other special effects. It has al the features of the older program Microsoft "Imager" and more Ron Mlejnek

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> > From: ETM <Chook@starpower.net> > Date: 2004/07/01 Thu PM 05:33:27 CDT > To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: surname Jindela > > Steve, the LDS are often called Mormons. > > Elaine > hELLO! i NOTICED IN THE SUBJECT LINE=RE; SURNAME JINDELA. I AM ALSO TRACING THAT NAME. PLEASE EMAIL ME AND WE CAN COMPARE NOTES. EDITH JINDELA-VAN MIERT > Hello Stephen > > On Thursday, July 1, 2004, you wrote > > > Judy: I think I got my list for New Orleans arrivals from the Mogans, > > a.k.a., the Latter Day Saints; they pulled it up on a web site. But if you > > enter into Google "Finding Passenger Lists 1820-1940s," the very first site > > will take you National Archive rolls by city. Going to www.nara.gov will > > put you in the Archives, where your troubles have only begun; it's huge and > > complex, but searchable. > > > Let me know if this works for you; if not we'll try something else. > > > Steve > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > List Administrator may be reached by sending an email to > CZECH-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > >