I am guessing the reference is to the Baca volumes. Elaine Hello Joseph On Sunday, September 19, 2004, you wrote > Hi, Jan. > I suspect that for many of us the volumes you cite are brand new > information. Could you please cite full bibliographic entries for them > so we can attempt to find them? Thank you. > Joe Pecenka > DeKalb, IL

Hi, Jan. I suspect that for many of us the volumes you cite are brand new information. Could you please cite full bibliographic entries for them so we can attempt to find them? Thank you. Joe Pecenka DeKalb, IL

Dan, My Budins never Americanized their last name. They are still using it to this day. Do you have any Budins from either towns of Zirovnice or Zdesov? Gale >From: Mcc1620@aol.com >Reply-To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CZ] Budin vs Budinsky >Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:32:11 EDT > >To Gail Brown, who's e-mail address has changed, >Or anyone else who can answer my question... > >I noticed the surname of Budin you posted in the RootsWeb Czech Republic >surname list. > >Do you know if there is any connection with the name Budinsky? > >Perhaps they are one and the same, with Budinsky "Americanized" compliments >of the Immigration & Naturalization Service of the late 1800s and early >1900s. > >Thanks, >Dan > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without >permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use >Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

This is a forwarded message From: Miller Sandra <smiller@hamilton-medical.ch> To: <CZECH-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 18, 2004, 2:39:37 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [CZ] Castle Garden-HLUBOKY ===8<==============Original message text=============== I'd like to say a few words, too, about ancestry.com, etc. I conduct my research from overseas, so I can't go to the National Archives or other such repositories of records. I decided some time back, therefore, to get annual subscriptions to parts of both ancestry and genealogy. Although I pay several hundred dollars a year for everything, I consider this a necessary investment in my hobby -- and believe me, these dollars have paid off handsomely in the efficiency and effectiveness of my research. There is a lot to be said for doing a bit of spontaneous surfing without having to schedule and plan all my activities. I've made many important discoveries late at night, when I had a sudden urge to check something out. Then there's the bit about searching computer versus microfilm -- for me, FAR more efficient. I had given up ever finding the passenger records for my Hruda ancestors, for example. The Hrudas weren't indexed in Baca's book and I just wasn't finding them in the microfilm passenger list. I had given up, although I knew their approximate date of immigration. But one day, I was messing around on the ancestry.com passenger lists, and I don't know what I did, but voila! There they were, the Ruda family, arriving one day earlier than I thought, their first names mangled almost beyond recognition. Would I have had the patience to find them in any other way? I seriously doubt it! Sandy Miller Sandy Miller Riedmatt 5 6300 Zug Switzerland +41 41 740 43 54 +41 41 740 43 56 (Fax) member1326@grischavision.ch ===8<===========End of original message text===========

--=======7ACA324B======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-37243BA; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This probably does not apply to the difference between Budin vs Budinsky,= =20 but when trying to figure out spelling of surnames, please also consider=20 regional European differences. In South Bohemia my surname is spelled=20 Mlejnek, but in Moravia and Poland it is Ml=FDnek. Another one of my=20 surnames is spelled Cejkovsky in South Moravia, but in Polish Galicia it is= =20 Zajchowski ("sky" is Czech, "ski" is Polish). Besides regional dialects,=20 there is also different spellings for names on how they are used in a=20 sentence. When I saw the name Mlejnku in a Czech article, I never realized= =20 it was my name. Ron Mlejnek At 11:32 AM 09/18/2004, you wrote: >To Gail Brown, who's e-mail address has changed, >Or anyone else who can answer my question... > >I noticed the surname of Budin you posted in the RootsWeb Czech Republic >surname list. > >Do you know if there is any connection with the name Budinsky? > >Perhaps they are one and the same, with Budinsky "Americanized" compliments >of the Immigration & Naturalization Service of the late 1800s and early= 1900s. > >Thanks, >Dan > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D CZECH Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D >RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without >permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use >Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======7ACA324B======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-37243BA Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======7ACA324B=======--

To Gail Brown, who's e-mail address has changed, Or anyone else who can answer my question... I noticed the surname of Budin you posted in the RootsWeb Czech Republic surname list. Do you know if there is any connection with the name Budinsky? Perhaps they are one and the same, with Budinsky "Americanized" compliments of the Immigration & Naturalization Service of the late 1800s and early 1900s. Thanks, Dan

Could someone tell me where I might be able to obtain a "wave" file (.wav) of the Czech Republic's national anthem. It does not have to be the entire anthem, an excerpt would be fine. All I have been able to find are audio (.au), Media Player (.mp3), and midi (.mid). Thank you, Dan

Hello List, I thought I'd let you know of my experience with NARA. The only information I had for my grandmother was her name and that she arrived in the US in 1888. I sent an e-mail to NARA asking what steps I should take to find her. I gave name and year of arrival....THAT'S ALL I had no idea where he landed, ship, etc!. Two days later I received a phone call from NARA. The lady was extremely nice and pumped more info out of me than I knew I had...We deduced her date of birth from the census and that she had come from Germany with a small daughter. I didn't know if gma had come through Castle Garden, but the lady on the phone said don't worry, NARA had all the records! Even tho we did not come up with a listing for gma, I was very inpressed with the extent NARA people will go to to help you. I must also tell you that on several occasions I have used the proper NARA forms and received the correct information and ships manifests. By all means use NARA! ONE NATION UNDER GOD, ANN --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

Hi Ron -- I just read through your answer about finding items through the National Archives. I think many people know about that .... but how do you locate the correct film is you don't know what boat they arrived on, what year they came and maybe even don't know the town other than "someplace" in Bohemia. If I can find the information only knowing the name, that would be wonderful. Is that possible ... because it would save me reading through many pages of manifests online. Thanks for your continued insight and answers to so many questions that have been posed on the list. Take care. Susan -------------- Original message -------------- > Ron, > > Thank you for making it simple. I was signed up for a local class on using > the National Archives for research but had to cancel due to a conflict. I > will follow your suggestion and see what can be found. > > Regards, > Michele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Mlejnek" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: CZECH-D Digest V04 #299 - [CZ] Castle Garden-HLUBOKY? > > > > --=======6D2D6CCC======= > > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81; charset=us-ascii; > format=flowed > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > I am going to "jump into" this "thread" without much understanding of what > > is going on. Sometimes it helps to keep the question with the possible > answer. > > > > I think this started with a question about locating a passenger record > that > > is not available through Ellis Island on-line records and whether some > > other on-line source might be better. As far as I know, all US Passenger > > Records are in the US National Archives and are available on microfilm. > So > > basically the answer to the question is to use National Archive records, > > but for some reason this message never gets through. > > > > On the Czech Mail List web site there are links to the needed information: > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > > > > On the left menu there are two useful links called "US National Archives" > > and "US Passenger Records". The only way anyone can make a passenger > > record is that they have to transcribe a record that physically resides at > > the US Archives. All these secondary sources such as Baca's list, and > > Genealogy.com and the "Ship's Transcriber's Guild" have to use the primary > > source information. > > > > Any way, the easiest route to go (in my opinion) is to contact the US > > National Archives directly and ask them to locate the record and > transcribe > > it for you. For a minimal fee, you will get a copy of the original > > manifest and a transcribed copy. Go to "Forms For Other Records" and get > > Form "NATF 81". Fill it out and if the record exists they will find > > it. If it does not exist, then the usual conclusion is that they entered > > by another means, usually illegally. They can jump off of boats carrying > > cargo, they can come through Canada or Mexico. > > > > Ron Mlejnek > > > > At 10:51 AM 09/17/2004, you wrote: > > > > >Judi wrote: "How can one find immigration records for family that immig > > >from Cz prior > > >to 1865-70? " > > > > > >Have you asked for a lookup in the Czech index volumes? If that doesn't > > >yield anything, there is the old reliable Filby's index of immigration > > >records. Houston has a Clayton Genealogical Library that has volumes of > > >Filby's. I am not sure how widely available they are, but it could give > > >you some leads. > > > > > > > > >Jan Esenwein > > >M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 > > >Houston TX 77030 > > >713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 > > >jesenwei@mdanderson.org > > > > > > > > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > >Czech Message Boards are at > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 > > > > --=======6D2D6CCC======= > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81 > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 > > > > --=======6D2D6CCC=======-- > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > > for list discussion. > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic >

Ron -- Just wanted to mention that I did follow the link you gave -- it certainly is quite a bit of information. Hoping to be able to make some good use of it. Thanks. Susan W.

Thank you Ron for clearing that up. I'm fairly new at this and your information is very refreshing. Now I know how to proceed! Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Ron Mlejnek [mailto:rvmlejnek@navix.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:50 PM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: CZECH-D Digest V04 #299 - [CZ] Castle Garden-HLUBOKY? --=======6D2D6CCC======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am going to "jump into" this "thread" without much understanding of what is going on. Sometimes it helps to keep the question with the possible answer. I think this started with a question about locating a passenger record that is not available through Ellis Island on-line records and whether some other on-line source might be better. As far as I know, all US Passenger Records are in the US National Archives and are available on microfilm. So basically the answer to the question is to use National Archive records, but for some reason this message never gets through. On the Czech Mail List web site there are links to the needed information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm On the left menu there are two useful links called "US National Archives" and "US Passenger Records". The only way anyone can make a passenger record is that they have to transcribe a record that physically resides at the US Archives. All these secondary sources such as Baca's list, and Genealogy.com and the "Ship's Transcriber's Guild" have to use the primary source information. Any way, the easiest route to go (in my opinion) is to contact the US National Archives directly and ask them to locate the record and transcribe it for you. For a minimal fee, you will get a copy of the original manifest and a transcribed copy. Go to "Forms For Other Records" and get Form "NATF 81". Fill it out and if the record exists they will find it. If it does not exist, then the usual conclusion is that they entered by another means, usually illegally. They can jump off of boats carrying cargo, they can come through Canada or Mexico. Ron Mlejnek At 10:51 AM 09/17/2004, you wrote: >Judi wrote: "How can one find immigration records for family that immig >from Cz prior >to 1865-70? " > >Have you asked for a lookup in the Czech index volumes? If that doesn't >yield anything, there is the old reliable Filby's index of immigration >records. Houston has a Clayton Genealogical Library that has volumes of >Filby's. I am not sure how widely available they are, but it could give >you some leads. > > >Jan Esenwein >M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 >Houston TX 77030 >713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 >jesenwei@mdanderson.org > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech Message Boards are at >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 --=======6D2D6CCC======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 --=======6D2D6CCC=======-- ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion.

--=======6D2D6CCC======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am going to "jump into" this "thread" without much understanding of what is going on. Sometimes it helps to keep the question with the possible answer. I think this started with a question about locating a passenger record that is not available through Ellis Island on-line records and whether some other on-line source might be better. As far as I know, all US Passenger Records are in the US National Archives and are available on microfilm. So basically the answer to the question is to use National Archive records, but for some reason this message never gets through. On the Czech Mail List web site there are links to the needed information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm On the left menu there are two useful links called "US National Archives" and "US Passenger Records". The only way anyone can make a passenger record is that they have to transcribe a record that physically resides at the US Archives. All these secondary sources such as Baca's list, and Genealogy.com and the "Ship's Transcriber's Guild" have to use the primary source information. Any way, the easiest route to go (in my opinion) is to contact the US National Archives directly and ask them to locate the record and transcribe it for you. For a minimal fee, you will get a copy of the original manifest and a transcribed copy. Go to "Forms For Other Records" and get Form "NATF 81". Fill it out and if the record exists they will find it. If it does not exist, then the usual conclusion is that they entered by another means, usually illegally. They can jump off of boats carrying cargo, they can come through Canada or Mexico. Ron Mlejnek At 10:51 AM 09/17/2004, you wrote: >Judi wrote: "How can one find immigration records for family that immig >from Cz prior >to 1865-70? " > >Have you asked for a lookup in the Czech index volumes? If that doesn't >yield anything, there is the old reliable Filby's index of immigration >records. Houston has a Clayton Genealogical Library that has volumes of >Filby's. I am not sure how widely available they are, but it could give >you some leads. > > >Jan Esenwein >M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 >Houston TX 77030 >713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 >jesenwei@mdanderson.org > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech Message Boards are at >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 --=======6D2D6CCC======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 --=======6D2D6CCC=======--

Ron, Thank you for making it simple. I was signed up for a local class on using the National Archives for research but had to cancel due to a conflict. I will follow your suggestion and see what can be found. Regards, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Mlejnek" <rvmlejnek@navix.net> To: <CZECH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: CZECH-D Digest V04 #299 - [CZ] Castle Garden-HLUBOKY? > --=======6D2D6CCC======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I am going to "jump into" this "thread" without much understanding of what > is going on. Sometimes it helps to keep the question with the possible answer. > > I think this started with a question about locating a passenger record that > is not available through Ellis Island on-line records and whether some > other on-line source might be better. As far as I know, all US Passenger > Records are in the US National Archives and are available on microfilm. So > basically the answer to the question is to use National Archive records, > but for some reason this message never gets through. > > On the Czech Mail List web site there are links to the needed information: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm > > On the left menu there are two useful links called "US National Archives" > and "US Passenger Records". The only way anyone can make a passenger > record is that they have to transcribe a record that physically resides at > the US Archives. All these secondary sources such as Baca's list, and > Genealogy.com and the "Ship's Transcriber's Guild" have to use the primary > source information. > > Any way, the easiest route to go (in my opinion) is to contact the US > National Archives directly and ask them to locate the record and transcribe > it for you. For a minimal fee, you will get a copy of the original > manifest and a transcribed copy. Go to "Forms For Other Records" and get > Form "NATF 81". Fill it out and if the record exists they will find > it. If it does not exist, then the usual conclusion is that they entered > by another means, usually illegally. They can jump off of boats carrying > cargo, they can come through Canada or Mexico. > > Ron Mlejnek > > At 10:51 AM 09/17/2004, you wrote: > > >Judi wrote: "How can one find immigration records for family that immig > >from Cz prior > >to 1865-70? " > > > >Have you asked for a lookup in the Czech index volumes? If that doesn't > >yield anything, there is the old reliable Filby's index of immigration > >records. Houston has a Clayton Genealogical Library that has volumes of > >Filby's. I am not sure how widely available they are, but it could give > >you some leads. > > > > > >Jan Esenwein > >M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 > >Houston TX 77030 > >713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 > >jesenwei@mdanderson.org > > > > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > >Czech Message Boards are at > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 > > --=======6D2D6CCC======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-41C26A81 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 09/15/2004 > > --=======6D2D6CCC=======-- > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. >

Judi wrote: "How can one find immigration records for family that immig from Cz prior to 1865-70? " Have you asked for a lookup in the Czech index volumes? If that doesn't yield anything, there is the old reliable Filby's index of immigration records. Houston has a Clayton Genealogical Library that has volumes of Filby's. I am not sure how widely available they are, but it could give you some leads. Jan Esenwein M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 Houston TX 77030 713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 jesenwei@mdanderson.org

Thanks Carrie -- I was hoping someone like you would write. If more records are being added it might be worthwhile for me to wait. I have taken some of the free memberships which has led me to then to take longer memberships. I'm finding they are also making it quite easy to cancel -- you used to have a long wait for someone to answer the phone or eventually get on the line. Just remember -- you can never cancel over the weekend! Now they are very polite and helpful -- of course, always trying to get you to subscribe to another service. Thanks. Susan W.

Dear Judi and Susan, I have used ancestry.com for years now and it has saved me a lot of time with my research. As for the passenger records-more are being added monthly and they are slowly being linked to the actual passenger manifests. Some are just basic and some give more than that. I don't know for sure which ones are linked as of yet. The 14 day trial is worth it but make sure you are very organized before hand and have lots of spare time to do your searching as you will quickly realize how much is there that you just "have" to get at! And of course remember to cancel before the 14 days is up. Many of the pay genealogy sites have the two week free trial offer. I do like the searching capabilities offered at ancestry.com. You can search in so many different ways that you are sure to come up with something useful. As for me-I have been able to find many ancestors in the ship records and have been unable to find many as well. Sometimes it is just due to the indexing or handwriting, for others I suppose the records aren't there yet or are just not available. Hope this helps. If you have any more questions please email me privately. Carrie Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Susan Williams [mailto:swilliams1200@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:45 PM To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CZ] Castle Garden-HLUBOKY Judi -- This is Susan -- ancestry.com is supposed to have passenger records from 1851-1891. I took a one-month membership to genealogy.com passenger records but really haven't found anything. I looked for your surname too but didn't find anything. I am toying with the idea of trying a free fourteen day membership at ancestry.com. You have to be careful with that one because if you don't cancel in time, you will own $199.00 worth of genealogy records for the year. It's easy to cancel but you must remember you can't cancel over the weekend. Then if I found it was worth pursuing, I could take a quarterly membership to the passenger records. I've been searching on ancestry.com -- if you put in a name, it will come up with listings of everything they have on that name. Then you can click on it and get a listing of the individual names but no more information. You must purchase the membership to get the details. I suspect with my family surnames, they might not be in the index. That would mean reading through many passenger records. That's why I'm still toying with the idea -- I don't know if I have the time right now for that. For my final thought -- and maybe others have already read the records. With genealogy.com you don't read the actual records; you read an excerpt. My understanding is that with ancestry.com you can read the actual passenger records. Would appreciate any information on this from someone who has done this. Hope this helps you Judy. If not, just ask. Susan W. ______________________________

Judi -- This is Susan -- ancestry.com is supposed to have passenger records from 1851-1891. I took a one-month membership to genealogy.com passenger records but really haven't found anything. I looked for your surname too but didn't find anything. I am toying with the idea of trying a free fourteen day membership at ancestry.com. You have to be careful with that one because if you don't cancel in time, you will own $199.00 worth of genealogy records for the year. It's easy to cancel but you must remember you can't cancel over the weekend. Then if I found it was worth pursuing, I could take a quarterly membership to the passenger records. I've been searching on ancestry.com -- if you put in a name, it will come up with listings of everything they have on that name. Then you can click on it and get a listing of the individual names but no more information. You must purchase the membership to get the details. I suspect with my family surnames, they might not be in the index. That would mean reading through many passenger records. That's why I'm still toying with the idea -- I don't know if I have the time right now for that. For my final thought -- and maybe others have already read the records. With genealogy.com you don't read the actual records; you read an excerpt. My understanding is that with ancestry.com you can read the actual passenger records. Would appreciate any information on this from someone who has done this. Hope this helps you Judy. If not, just ask. Susan W.

Hello all, I have a surname that I need help with. Haabetova. Would anyone know what the name with the male suffix would be? Anna Haabetova married Matej Petrak. I suspect they are from Bohemia. On her son's death registration Turceo is given as birthplace for Matej and Lorec or Lobec is given as her birthplace, can't quite make out the proper letters even with a magnifying glass. When my husband went to visit relatives he went to Zalov-Rostoky (I've spelled this phonetically, I'm not sure of the proper spelling) Thanks for any help. Dolores

How can one find immigration records for family that immig from Cz prior to 1865-70? judi

The site is working, I did just log in. Try the procedure described below again. Elaine *************** Subject: [CZ] Registration at Rodclan website ===8<==============Original message text=============== Honza, Your instructions are terrific, and I did add my paternal surname with a district. My poor maternal surname has no identifying geographical area, not certain what kind of response that will bring, but I figured I would take advantage of your website and stick her surname out there. Thank you for making it easy to enter the information. I hope the subscribers will use these instructions and handle their own registration. We must learn to do these things if we are going to be successful in our continuing quest for family information. I am retaining your post in case anyone missed the full set of instructions for registering surnames at http://www.rodclan.cz Elaine Hello Honza On Thursday, February 12, 2004, you wrote > Sure. Below are basic guidelines that should help anyone get registered and > add surnames to the database. They may appear a bit lengthy, but I just > tried to list step-by-step instructions to make it as easy as possible. > 1) From the main page http://www.rodclan.cz click on "registrace" (or simply > click on this link > http://www.rodclan.cz/?module=register) to go to the > registration page. > 2) Enter the required information > Email - your email address where others can contact you > Jméno - Your first name > Príjmení - Your last name > Web - your genealogical web pages (if you have any, otherwise leave > blank) > Ano, chci odebírat Emailový mesícník (if you select this checkbox, you > will automatically receive via email a list of surnames added to the > database each month) > 3) Click on the Zaregistrovat button > 4) If you entered correct information (we try to validate email), you should > see the message below. It says that your registration was successful and you > shall receive password via email. If you see anything else, your > registration was not completed successfully, most likely because you entered > invalid email. > Vase registrace probehla úspesne. Za okamzik vám emailem posleme heslo, > které budete moci pouzít pro prihlásení na vás úcet. Pokud byste do 24 hodin > tuto email nedostali, napiste nám do redakce a my registraci proveríme. > 5) Upon receiving email from Rod & Clan with subject Rod & Clan - > registrace, you have your password. It is a six-character string on the > third line by itself (see sample message below with xxxxxx). > Dobrý den, > gratulujeme vám k úspesné registraci na genealogických stránkách Rod a Clan. > Vase uzivatelské heslo je: > xxxxxx > 6) Go back to http://www.rodclan.cz and login by entering your email and > password into the fields on the top left side (Email: and Heslo:) and > hitting Enter or clicking on the blue arrow. Be careful to enter your > password correctly - some pesky characters like number zero/letter O or > number one/lowercase L can look similar. The best bet is to copy and paste > the password from the email you received. > 7) Once you are logged in, you should see a frame titled "Moje Data - Výpis > vasich predku". This is a list of your surnames in the database (so far > empty). If you don't see this title, login was not successful - most likely > because you entered incorrect email or password. > 8) Assuming you are logged in, you have four links on the left-side panel. > They do the following: > moje data - displays your surnames > kontaktni udaje - displays your contact information (name, email, web) > and also allows you to change password > pridat prijmeni - this lets you ADD SURNAMES to the database > odhlasit - logout > 9) So lets add some surnames. Click on the "pridat prijmeni" link. It > brings up a form asking for three pieces of information: > Prijmeni - surname > Obec - place (village/town) > Oblast - region (this is a drop-down list with Czech regions. If you are > unsure what region to use, simply leave this field at the default setting > "Jina oblast" which means other region). If you want to find out the > region, there are good reference pages with Czech regions and cities at > http://mesta.obce.cz/ > With all information entered, click on the button "Pridat udaje" which will > add the surname to the database. > 10) If you did everything right, you should be looking at the page with your > surnames and the one you just entered should be listed there. You can add > more surnames following the same steps. > 11) You can also edit or delete your existing surnames simply by clicking on > the green links on the left side of your existing surnames. "UPRAVIT" means > edit and "SMAZAT" means delete (to delete it you have to click on SMAZAT and > then confirm deletion on the next page by clicking on another SMAZAT again). > 12) Just to make sure your names are listed, click on "nova prijmeni" on the > main page which lists names added in the past 30 days. Yours should be > listed there. By clicking on the surname you should be able to invoke an > email to be sent to your address. Also if you entered your genealogical web > site during the registration, there will be a blue "W" icon next to the > surname. Clicking on it will open your web pages. This is a nice feature > as you can either opt to send email to someone or browse their web pages > with their family information. > If you got stuck along the way or are simply afraid to try, send me an email > with your surnames and contact info and I will add it to the database. We > purposely designed the database to be self-sufficient to limit our overhead, > but I realize that the language barrier poses a challenge to some. > Hope this helps, > Honza ===8<===========End of original message text===========