Hi Susan, That was an open question for a very long time! There were six members of my family that emigrated together, and each member gave varying dates of arrival over the years. Ultimately I found that they arrived May 25, 1883, but only after a year and a half of scouring individual manifests from 1880-1885. I finally found who I thought were them and sent for the manifest for that ship and date. Not long after, Ancestry offered an index for those years and they showed up there. That manifest page was extremely readable. NARA told me that their equipment wouldn't produce a clearer image. Ancestry must have had better equipment at the time. Every system and provider has its limitations, so it pays to use them all when possible. Even at that, if I hadn't been reading the manifests for "like" groups of people, it would have been easy to overlook them. Parents with four sons and matching ages for the parents were the strongest clue, since only one of the sons had a first name I recognized on the manifest. Thankfully, I have been able to verify that manifest against other sources; primarily naturalization records and land files. Hope I didn't go on too long! Sandy

Sandy - Just in case, the earlier e-mail was not clear, I was asking you which years your ancestors arrived and to which port. Thanks. Susan W.

Can you tell me which years your ancestors arrived? And when you wrote to NARA, did you already have the exact date of arrival and ship? Thanks for all the information. Take care. Susan W.

Dan, Sorry I don't think we have a match. My Budins are from Zdesov then moved to Zirovnice (South Bohemia). I'm looking for any brothers or sisters still in the Czech Republic of my great grandparents Karel Budin and his wife Petronilla Krehla. Petronilla remarried after a man named Dejmak. My Budins immigrated to New Jersey. My grandmother Marie Budin went to Vienna Austria for awhile then came to the US possibly to a cousin Anna Varga in Cleveland (Haven't been able to prove it's her actual cousin). Then she too came to NJ. Good Luck in your search. Gale >From: Mcc1620@aol.com >Reply-To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >To: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CZ] Budin vs Budinsky >Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:53:53 EDT > >In a message dated 9/18/04 4:21:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gdb86@hotmail.com writes: >Dan, > >My Budins never Americanized their last name. >They are still using it to this day. > >Do you have any Budins from either towns of Zirovnice or Zdesov? > >Gale >Hi Gale, thanks for the reply. > >My Budinsky is from Prague. > >This is all I know of her. > >Born Anna Budinsky in Prague ca 1880. > >Married Michael Alexander (born ca 1875 in Budapest Hungary) in Prague >ca1900. > >Between 1900 and 1902 they had three daughters born in Czechoslovakia, date >of births unknown. Mary Alexander, Anna Alexander, Susie Alexander > >The Alexander family came to the United States of America ca1902. One of >their daughters died en route. > >Julia Alexander was born ca1902 to Michael and Anna. Their first child to >be >born in the United States. > >They had a son, Steven Alexander, born in Clarksburg, West Virginia, USA, >on >23 August 1903. > >They had a daughter, Wilhelmina Alexander, born 31 December 1918, in >Westmoreland County, Sewickley Township, Pennsylvania. She was baptized on >9 January >1919 at Seven Dolors Church (RC), Yukon, Pennsylvania. Her Godparents were >John >and Catherine (nee Uxor) Rosina. Their last name may have been spelled >Ruzena. The Reverend Alex Krajewski presided. Wilhelmina Alexander was >confirmed a >1921. Her confirmation name was Theresa. > >They are known to have had six other children born in the USA: Michael, >Emma, >Anna, Augustus, and two others > >Anna Budinsky died 18 Mach 1936. > >If anyone knows anything about any of these people I would be most pleased >to >hear from you. > >Dan, in USA. > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I am using dialup and amazed at how well the site is working. I expected problems with dialup and that has not happened. Thanks, Joe. Elaine If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. --Steven Wright Hello Jzel On Monday, September 20, 2004, you wrote > Yes, I know about Cable TV, but Macintosh computers should be able to access > the show. I will check on it. > Thanks, > Joe >> Just wanted to let you know that those of use with cable TV and Macintosh >> computers cannot access this show at all. >>

Yes, I know about Cable TV, but Macintosh computers should be able to access the show. I will check on it. Thanks, Joe > Just wanted to let you know that those of use with cable TV and Macintosh > computers cannot access this show at all. >

Hi Joe, Just wanted to let you know that those of use with cable TV and Macintosh computers cannot access this show at all. Blanche Schulz __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Someone privately asked me about passenger lists on line. This was my response. Perhaps others here have additional information they would like to share with the mailing list. Elaine ****************** Some lists are available at individual websites, a large one is http://immigrantships.net/ and http://olivetreegenealogy.com/index.shtml also contains lists. I believe they are transcriptions of passenger lists and are not images of the actual lists. Then individual researchers have sometimes uploaded lists to their own family websites. It requires searching. Ancestry now has a closed subscriber database (subscription fee) for passenger lists. I have never used it so don't know what it is like. I did do the free search and supposedly I might have some hits in that database, but without paying for a subscription I can't access them. NARA generally is your best bet. It contains reels of filmed passenger manifests. Family History Center (LDS) facilities also have rental systems so you can rent such films from them. There usually is a convenient FHC to almost every researcher since there usually is one attached to the main Mormon Church in the locality. Elaine

Hello List, As an Ancestry user for the past three years, I can add that with the subscription one can view the manifest and even print it if you wish. The first image that comes up is the page with your specific ancestor's name on it. It is also possible to view the entire manifest page by page using the viewer. Therefore one can copy it in its entirety. Ancestry also offers the opportunity to order a copy of the page, which is of very good quality. I ordered a copy of my ancestor's manifest page from NARA. They sent several attempts at copying to me without being able to improve on the quality of the page which was very dark. They were kind enough to forward it and decline payment for those copies. The images on Ancestry are quite good, and in my case, a major improvement over NARA's. Happy Hunting Everyone! Sandy

Thank you very much Jan. I'm gonna go lookin'. Joe

Hi Joe, Two things............. 1. Thank you for the info re Czech-American TV show. 2. I'm interested in your JEZL surname. My great grandfather's second wife was Marie Jezl b. Bohemia 2/2/1857 to John Jezl and Barbora Zabalka. Marie m. Frantisek Bilek in Chiago on 12/27/1881 by a justice of the peace. I haven't done much research on Marie's family other than the online death/marriage indexes for Cook County. There are almost no Jezls (Jezel) listed! Does any of this limited information look familiar to you? Anxious to hear from you. Judie Mason Chicago Jzel@aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone: Just want to update all about the happenings at the Czech-American TV show. Remember all rebroadcast can be seen at the web site www.CATVHERALD.COM, go to the TV ONLINE section to view past broadcast. Frank from Klas restaurant shows us how to make Goulash this week. Take care, Joe ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Czech-L's webpage is at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/index.htm

Try http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/gta-holdings.html Elaine

I see the confusion--Filby did indeed do Germans to America, and Italians to America and one on British Genealogy, but he also did the Index. From Houston's Clayton Library Web site: Passenger Lists and Immigration Records Clayton Library has a number of resources that can be used in tracing immigrant ancestors to their country of origin. Ship passenger lists, naturalization record indexes, and census records are among the most common sources used in researching immigrants at Clayton. The best place to start in researching your immigrant ancestor is with the US Census. Beginning in 1900, the census records identify the year of immigration and the naturalization status of all persons born outside the US. Earlier census records can also be used to identify the country of origin and approximate date of arrival, which can help in the search for passenger lists and naturalization records. Clayton Library has a complete collection of National Archives passenger lists on microfilm for most U.S. ports from 1820 through the end of the 19th century. Indexes are available for most ports through the mid-20th century, both on microfilm and in book form. Printed indexes such as Filby's Passenger and Immigration Lists Index are available to research passenger arrivals for colonial and later time periods.. To search Clayton Library's holdings of passenger records, check the Houston Public Library Catalog (for printed books) and the Clayton Microprint Inventory - Passenger List Records. Naturalization records and indexes are available at Clayton for many areas, including Harris and Galveston counties in Texas. Numerous other sources are available in print and on microfilm to locate immigrant information. The reference staff at Clayton can assist you to identify and use possible sources. The reference librarians at Clayton have developed a bibliography on passenger and immigration sources. This helpful finding aid lists books, periodical articles, and microprint sources available at Clayton. The bibliography is available in the Ready Reference section of the library:

PASSENGER AND IMMIGRATION LISTS INDEX: BEING A GUIDE TO PUBLISHED LISTS OF ARRIVALS IN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA, Compiled by P. William Filby, Published by Gale research Commonly referred to as "Filby's," the index is a series of volumes compiled by P. William Filby in an effort to put under one title the various sources for locating immigrants to the U.S. and Canada. These records are taken from many sources, including previously published books. The entry will list: NAME Age Destination and Year of Arrival Filby's reference number for the source of the information, followed by the named source and page number. Annual updates are made to the original volumes, published in 1981. Filby's does reference the Baca books, and many other sources. If can give you a place to start looking. sample entry: Pursley, David: 12 New York, N.Y., 1834 5704.1: Mitchell, Brian: Irish Emigration Lists, 1833-1839: Lists of Emigrants Extracted from Ordinance Survey Memoirs for Counties Londonderry and Antrim. p. 97. Jan Esenwein M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Unit 431 Houston TX 77030 713-745-2264; fax 713-794-4999 jesenwei@mdanderson.org

Hi Everyone: Just want to update all about the happenings at the Czech-American TV show. Remember all rebroadcast can be seen at the web site www.CATVHERALD.COM, go to the TV ONLINE section to view past broadcast. Frank from Klas restaurant shows us how to make Goulash this week. Take care, Joe

Joe - If you are referring to the Leo Baca books which are 9 volumes of Czech immigrant arrivals to the various ports of New York, Baltimore, Galveston. For a detailed description, you can go to the Mormon site at: www.familysearch.org Click on Search at the top of the page; then click Family History Library Catalog. From there, you can do a subject search or an author search. (right hand side of the page) It should lead you to a description of all the Baca volumes with the necessary information to determine which ones you want/need. You can also do a www.google.com or www.yahoo.com search putting in Leo Baca. This should lead you to a site which will allow you order the volumes and or sites that may explain them Hope this helps. Susan W.. > I am guessing the reference is to the Baca volumes. > > Elaine > > Hello Joseph > > On Sunday, September 19, 2004, you wrote > > > Hi, Jan. > > > I suspect that for many of us the volumes you cite are brand new > > information. Could you please cite full bibliographic entries for them > > so we can attempt to find them? Thank you. > > > Joe Pecenka > > DeKalb, IL > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH >

Filby are the German to America series. I tried finding my family there, and there are definitely recognizable names, but supposedly the books profile "Germans" and I think the indexing is based on what the immigrant called themselves for purposes of the passenger list. Most larger libraries have the series on hand. More information about them is available at http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/gtoa.html Elaine An ardent supporter of the hometown team should go to a game prepared to take offense, no matter what happens. --Robert Benchley Hello Joseph On Sunday, September 19, 2004, you wrote > ===================================================================== > A result of your requested PML search. To refine or cancel this > search, please visit http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > ===================================================================== > Source: CZECH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: CZECH-D Digest V04 #299 > Hi, guys and gals. I'm referring to Jan's email of Sep. 17. > OK, I guess I follow that by the "Czech index volumes" she was referring > to the Baca books, which I've searched. > What about the reference to Filby? > Joe

Hi, guys and gals. I'm referring to Jan's email of Sep. 17. OK, I guess I follow that by the "Czech index volumes" she was referring to the Baca books, which I've searched. What about the reference to Filby? Joe

In a message dated 9/18/04 4:21:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdb86@hotmail.com writes: Dan, My Budins never Americanized their last name. They are still using it to this day. Do you have any Budins from either towns of Zirovnice or Zdesov? Gale Hi Gale, thanks for the reply. My Budinsky is from Prague. This is all I know of her. Born Anna Budinsky in Prague ca 1880. Married Michael Alexander (born ca 1875 in Budapest Hungary) in Prague ca1900. Between 1900 and 1902 they had three daughters born in Czechoslovakia, date of births unknown. Mary Alexander, Anna Alexander, Susie Alexander The Alexander family came to the United States of America ca1902. One of their daughters died en route. Julia Alexander was born ca1902 to Michael and Anna. Their first child to be born in the United States. They had a son, Steven Alexander, born in Clarksburg, West Virginia, USA, on 23 August 1903. They had a daughter, Wilhelmina Alexander, born 31 December 1918, in Westmoreland County, Sewickley Township, Pennsylvania. She was baptized on 9 January 1919 at Seven Dolors Church (RC), Yukon, Pennsylvania. Her Godparents were John and Catherine (nee Uxor) Rosina. Their last name may have been spelled Ruzena. The Reverend Alex Krajewski presided. Wilhelmina Alexander was confirmed a 1921. Her confirmation name was Theresa. They are known to have had six other children born in the USA: Michael, Emma, Anna, Augustus, and two others Anna Budinsky died 18 Mach 1936. If anyone knows anything about any of these people I would be most pleased to hear from you. Dan, in USA.

--=======20347DDA======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1F246C5A; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elainetmaddox/czhistory.htm The complete list of Baca's books is under "Publications". The link no longer works because because the address keeps changing. Ron At 05:36 PM 09/19/2004, you wrote: >Joe - If you are referring to the Leo Baca books which are 9 volumes of Czech >immigrant arrivals to the various ports of New York, Baltimore, Galveston. >For a detailed description, you can go to the Mormon site >at: www.familysearch.org >Click on Search at the top of the page; then click Family History Library >Catalog. > From there, you can do a subject search or an author search. (right hand > side of the page) >It should lead you to a description of all the Baca volumes with the >necessary >information to determine which ones you want/need. >You can also do a www.google.com or www.yahoo.com search putting in Leo Baca. >This should lead you to a site which will allow you order the volumes and >or sites that may explain them Hope this helps. Susan W.. > > > > I am guessing the reference is to the Baca volumes. > > > > Elaine > > > > Hello Joseph > > > > On Sunday, September 19, 2004, you wrote > > > > > Hi, Jan. > > > > > I suspect that for many of us the volumes you cite are brand new > > > information. Could you please cite full bibliographic entries for them > > > so we can attempt to find them? Thank you. > > > > > Joe Pecenka > > > DeKalb, IL > > > > > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >If you'd like to search our archives, please visit >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======20347DDA======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1F246C5A Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 09/17/2004 --=======20347DDA=======--