Don No relatives in MN that I am aware of. but anything is possible. I've only tracked them from dad's father's side, in Wisconsin. THat's very localized as well, The southwest corner of the state. Muscoda, Richland Center, Madison. That area. Am sending Mary Dvorak privately. John in Michigan Don Ondracek wrote: >John, > >Believe we have communicated before. >I have seen as I suppose a lot of us have, old pictures of individuals, but >it is difficult to determine ethnicity. Not to say I would not like to take >a look at it. Send it on. >I don't recall but did you have any relations from McLeod County Minnesota? > >Don > > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:23 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CZ] Prague visit and Czech language > >DOn, >Can you tell a Czech person based on just a photo? I have a photo of who >we think is my great grandmother Mary DVORAK, but i have not verified it >yet. If I send it to you, do you think you could tell me something >about her background and ethnicity? >John in Michigan > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making >a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list >address and add the individual's address. > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > > > >

John, Believe we have communicated before. I have seen as I suppose a lot of us have, old pictures of individuals, but it is difficult to determine ethnicity. Not to say I would not like to take a look at it. Send it on. I don't recall but did you have any relations from McLeod County Minnesota? Don -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] Prague visit and Czech language DOn, Can you tell a Czech person based on just a photo? I have a photo of who we think is my great grandmother Mary DVORAK, but i have not verified it yet. If I send it to you, do you think you could tell me something about her background and ethnicity? John in Michigan > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cerny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Vysorke Myto,Baum > Ahoj ! > > I have no Baum or Gross relatives of which I am aware, but am curious about > Vysorke Myto. I'm sure there must be a number of Cz. "Myto" villages ; my > relatives were scattered close around the Myto in Bohemia that is located > just east of Plzen (Pilsen), & very near Interstate D5 joining that city & > Prague. I did not hear of my Myto being referred to as Vysorke Myto, but if > they are the same, be sure to visit the impressive old cemetery on the east > edge of town, which is loaded with my kinfolk. My grandfather, Frantisek > (Frank) Cerny was from nearby Medovy Ujezd, & followed his sweetheart Anna > Schkachova to the US in the 1890's to Chicago, where they married & lived. > > I hired a Cz. genealogist/guide before visiting there in 2004, who did a > great job documenting my ancestors back to the mid-1600's. She knows her > way around the archives, & was thorough & , I thought, reasonable. Let me > know if you would like her e-mail address. You'll have a great experience > ahead of you, especially if this is your 1st visit to the CR. > > Good Luck, > > John C. Cerny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:59 PM > Subject: Vysorke Myto,Baum > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: Baum > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3495 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I am trying to locate family information on my ggrandparents from Vysorke > Myto, Anton Baum and Veronicka (Veronica) Gross Baum. My ggrandmother came > to the US in 1900 with her sons Vincent and Emanuel. I have information from > 1900 to current but unable to locate my ggranfathers information. Is there > any way to get info from Czech on deaths in Vysorke Myto? Any help would > greatly be appreciated for I am going to the Czech Republic on the 28th of > April. > > Thank you. > > > > ______________________________ >

This is a little note to Judy.. I've been following your adventures with great interest. I do have to agree with Don as to see some of your pic's. Would it be to much to ask if you'd put a few on the site??? Grandma always said, "asking is free" so I'm taking advantage of the free asking. Hope to see some of the country.... Thanks from Cleone Hajkova..

DOn, Can you tell a Czech person based on just a photo? I have a photo of who we think is my great grandmother Mary DVORAK, but i have not verified it yet. If I send it to you, do you think you could tell me something about her background and ethnicity? John in Michigan > >

How exciting, another 21 days! i might never come back if I stayed that long! I will send my pix, gladly. have a good time. You will stay with your family? Judi

Judi, Don Ondracek here. I would appreciate seeing your pictures. If you don't recall I visited CR Sep-Oct 2003 29 days in the CR. I had compiled a 16 page day by day diary, I believe most on CR list received a copy. Saw a lot of relatives. Polom, Rozsochy, Miroslav, Brno and others. Leaving May 18th for 21 more days in that beautiful place. Don [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: judi [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 4:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] Prague visit and Czech language yes, got home last evening. I will send you pix judi ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Czech Message Boards are at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic

Maybe if the Czechs no longer need a visa to get into our country, they will agree to microfilm the records! judi

yes, got home last evening. I will send you pix judi

Judy -- are you back home yet? Sorry to hear you missed your cousin. Sure wish these people would decide to let the Mormons microfilm their records. More floods will surely mean less records to preserve. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "judi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [CZ] Prague visit and Czech language > didn't go to Kutna Hora this time. Went to Karlstejn Castle instead. > Very interesting. I am being to want to venture out of Prague and see the > rest of the CR. I wish I had the nerve to rent a car. > My cousin couldn't make it but I met Jakub and also Anna, from Cerniny, > who lives across the street from where one of my relatives lived. It was > a nice trip.......discovered some new places and shortcuts through Prague > I have new info re: why my Mom can't understand Czech as we are learning > it. Her cousin said, > ".Yes, we did talk Bohemian...it was a > low Czech. In Jan Hus (church) they spoke the higher Czech...and most of > the time I did > not understand it." > Perhaps the dialect is so severe that that is why my Mom can't understand. > (Or, she has just plain forgotten everything. > judi > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > >

didn't go to Kutna Hora this time. Went to Karlstejn Castle instead. Very interesting. I am being to want to venture out of Prague and see the rest of the CR. I wish I had the nerve to rent a car. My cousin couldn't make it but I met Jakub and also Anna, from Cerniny, who lives across the street from where one of my relatives lived. It was a nice trip.......discovered some new places and shortcuts through Prague I have new info re: why my Mom can't understand Czech as we are learning it. Her cousin said, ".Yes, we did talk Bohemian...it was a low Czech. In Jan Hus (church) they spoke the higher Czech...and most of the time I did not understand it." Perhaps the dialect is so severe that that is why my Mom can't understand. (Or, she has just plain forgotten everything. judi

Hi Jerry Ann, Saw your message re Emil F. Gregor and took a look in my german-language gazetteer of Bohemia from the 1840s. There are listed there two places which might be called Garten (umlaut over the a). One of them, the primary one by this name, is, I think, the one you want. The reason I think so will become clear after you finish this message. To begin with, I looked at the 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 census entries for your Emil F. Gregor. In 1900, he reported having been born in July 1872. Ages in other census years suggest a birth year of 1873 or even 1875. He also waivered in what he reported as the year he came to the US. In 1900 he stated he had been in the US for seven years. In 1910 he stated that he came in 1890. In 1920 he stated he was naturalized in 1895 and came to the US in 1889. In 1930 he again gave 1889. (If you don't have his census entries for these years, let me know and I will send you the other details.) Anyway, we can be on fairly safe ground that he came some time in the interval between 1889-93. Surprisingly, I found an Emil Gregor who matches very closely to yours in the immigration indexes for Baltimore arrivals. While there are a couple of things about the entry that do not match your info, I think it is highly likely that this is him. The Emil Gregor I found arrived in Sept 1891 on the ship Dresden at age 18. He differs from what you have given in that he departed from Bremen rather than Hamburg and listed his country of citizenship as Saxony rather than as Austria or Bohemia. I still think he is a good candidate for your man. Here is why: no other foreign- born Emil Gregor shown in the 1900-1930 U.S. censuses shows a similar birth year, nor are there any that claimed to originate in Germany or Saxony. Thus we can't eliminate this passenger by tying him to some other Emil Gregor than yours. More importantly: the principal place called "Garten" was located essentially right on the border between Bohemia and Saxony. In fact it is in a little "arm" of Bohemia that projects up into and is completely surrounded by Saxony. Garten's czech name, and current name, is Zahrady, which is more or less a direct translation into Czech of the german name of the place. Its inhabitants in the 1800s were german-speaking. The other "Garten", while still a remote possibility, seems less likely to me as it is a very long way from the border. Also, its primary name in german was Gerten, and Garten is listed only as a variant name for it. Its czech name is Krty, it is located between Prague and Karlovy Vary. My surmise is that your ancestor didn't exactly stow away on a cattle boat but either 1) slipped across the border into Saxony to leave the country, and lied about his place of origin when he came through germany and onto the ship, or 2) went with a group of people who were in fact from the Saxon side of the border, and simply ended up also listed as from there, or 3) was in fact living in Saxony prior to leaving for the U.S. All would be possible given the close proximity of Garten to the border. Young men who were approaching military service age were usually required to do their military service before they were permitted to emigrate from Bohemia. So it does seem likely that he left without permission to emigrate, which could mean that he later worried that he would get in trouble over it and thus cooked up the cattle boat story and conveniently changed the port of departure to throw off the trail. Or his memory might have been inaccurate. One other thing struck me from the censuses - in 1900, 1910 and 1920 he is a soldier in the U.S. military. He seems to have had a lengthy military career which started even prior to 1900, as he already held the rank of sergeant in that census. You may want to look into whether military records can be obtained on the possibility that they might provide more evidence about his place of origin, birth date and parentage. The national archives likely have his military records. Obviously, this is all circumstantial. But if I had to put money on it, I would take odds that he is in fact the man shown on the 1891 passenger list and that his birth records will be in the churchbooks for Krasna Lipa (german name: Schoenlinde), which was the parish church serving Garten (aka Zahrady). Kevin >>> <[email protected]> 04/05/06 2:52 PM >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3447.2.2.1 Message Board Post: Zlatica Beca, Thank you so very much for all the info you have gotten in such a short time. My problem is that there is no records of Emil F. Gregor coming into America as far as I know. He came to America when he was 17 years old. Came into Baltimore, Maryland (Chesapeak Bay) on a cattle boat which he stowed away out of Hamburg, Germany. The only thing I know was that he became an American citizen Oct. 7,1895 In Baltimore. We were never told his parents names or his siblings. He told our father that he was born in Garten, Austria and that is all. So therefore you can see I do not know even where to start. I sure thank you for your kindness, it is greatly apprecicated. Jerry Ann ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3495.1 Message Board Post: Information in English about Vysoke Myto: http://mesta.obce.cz/vysoke-myto/e_index.htm Try sending an email through this website, telling them that you are going to visit and request information about relatives still residing in this town. Information about church records in Vysoke Myto: http://members.tripod.com/~zlimpkk/Genealogy/vitalreg.html Information at Ancestry.com regarding World War I draft registration card for Vince Baum of Westmoreland County, PA stating that he was born in Myto on July 20, 1887. Good luck and have fun on your trip.

An online phone book for the Czech Republic is at http://phone.quick.cz/ . It seems they don't offer an English interface, but searching is fairly straight forward. You need to enter: 1) SURNAME (Prijmeni:) 2) PLACE- town/village (Obec:) 3) Uncheck the "Pouzivam diakritiku" checkbox (unless you use the exact Czech spelling) 4) Click "Vyhledat" This search will yield only home numbers that are available in phone books. No unlisted numbers and no cell phone numbers. Honza [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: SLEPICKA, HRUSKA, CHICKEN, HOSEK, SACK > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3494 > > Message Board Post: > > Is there an on line phone book for this area? > > Elaine > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > >

There are some places where you may find more information about your ancestors from Vysoke Myto. First, the regional archive in Zamrsk (about 10 miles from Vysoke Myto) should have vital registers with birth, marriage, and death records for population from that area. Unfortunately, it appears that this archive is still closed due to reconstruction. http://www.vychodoceskearchivy.cz (click on Statni oblastni archiv v Zamrsku) Second thing worth trying would be to check with the registrar's office in the city hall in Vysoke Myto. Certain vital records from the late 1800's and early 1900's may still be there. There is some bureaucracy involved when trying to get access to these records. You will need to prove that you are looking for your ancestor's information. I suggest checking with them upfront for what exactly you need to bring with you. Here is a contact form for the registrar's office clerk: http://www.vysoke-myto.cz/portal/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&&contact_id=86&Itemid=318 Third place to visit would be the county office in Usti nad Orlici, where they may have further information such as census and property records for Vysoke Myto. Unfortunately, this archive appears to be also closed at present; their web site says until the end of March but gives no further info when they will reopen. http://www.vychodoceskearchivy.cz (click on Statni okresni archiv v Usti nad Orlici) Honza [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Baum > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3495 > > Message Board Post: > > I am trying to locate family information on my ggrandparents from Vysorke Myto, Anton Baum and Veronicka (Veronica) Gross Baum. My ggrandmother came to the US in 1900 with her sons Vincent and Emanuel. I have information from 1900 to current but unable to locate my ggranfathers information. Is there any way to get info from Czech on deaths in Vysorke Myto? Any help would greatly be appreciated for I am going to the Czech Republic on the 28th of April. > Thank you. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively > handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal > problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an > email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate > for list discussion. > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Baum Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3495 Message Board Post: I am trying to locate family information on my ggrandparents from Vysorke Myto, Anton Baum and Veronicka (Veronica) Gross Baum. My ggrandmother came to the US in 1900 with her sons Vincent and Emanuel. I have information from 1900 to current but unable to locate my ggranfathers information. Is there any way to get info from Czech on deaths in Vysorke Myto? Any help would greatly be appreciated for I am going to the Czech Republic on the 28th of April. Thank you.

>From my personal research: The Kepkas used to live in Buci No. 1. Jan Kepka (born 1837), son of Josef Kepka and Magdalena Pasek. Family emigrated to the USA together with sons: Antonin (born 1862) and Jan (born 1870) and JanŽs nephew Josef Mader. Descendants still living in Buci No. 56 (Miloslava Hasek) and Buci No. 4 Eliska Mader married Karasek. The Kepka family originated from Senec, a village near Pilsen - Jakub Kepka, a farmer in Senec, born bef. 1710, was the oldest I found. His GGSon Josef came to Buci in 1823. Rgds Karel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 4:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CZ] Kepka Am searching the Kepka Family in Buci. Anyone have any information - I would be eternally greatful

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DVORAK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/1858.296.1.1 Message Board Post: Was this directed to me? I couldn't be sure. ANYWAY,, My Frank Dvorak was not married.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dvorak Vraspir Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/1858.296.1 Message Board Post: I have a Frank Dvorak born 04 December 1871 in Pohore, near Litomysl, Czechoslovakia who married a Frances Vraspir born 15 March 1876 in Kladno, near Hlinsko, Bohemia. They were married 25 June 1896 in Czechoslovakia. Wondering if there ia a connection with your Dvorak ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SLEPICKA, HRUSKA, CHICKEN, HOSEK, SACK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3494 Message Board Post: Is there an on line phone book for this area? Elaine