In regards to: Susan, you are probably looking for Chotebor (not Chatebor) I was recently sent this site address and have found it very helpful in locating places in Europe. http://rp.rac.co.uk/rp/routeplanner Very similar to Map Quest if you are familiar with that program. Heidi

When you say Czechy, you say the CZ with the throat, right? That's the way I've been saying it john wrote: > Thanks! awesome information. > > > Kevin Kittilson wrote: > >> John wrote: >> >> >> >>> Would we be wrong in assuming that Bohemians are just German >>> Czechs? >> >> I have read that Bohmen is the German word for Czech, in the >> Wikipedia encyclopedia.< >> >> Yes, the assumption would be wrong. >> >> Boehmen is simply the German-language form of the term "Bohemia". >> ("boehmisch", which you will also see, is the adjective, ie., Bohemian) >> >> The german terms refer to the place, and to people who are citizens >> of that place, without regard for their ethnic or language affiliations. >> >> Bohemia was part of the Austrian empire, and the official language of >> the empire was German. Accordingly, all Bohemians, regardless >> whether they were czech-speaking or german-speaking, carried >> passports which indicated they were from "Boehmen." (Assuming of >> course that they left with official permission and had a passport or >> travel pass). >> There was no official acknowledgment of the term "czech" in >> the austrian empire. >> >> Thus before the end of WWI even the czech-speaking inhabitants of >> Bohemia were officially "boehmisch" and lived in "Boehmen". To make >> matters more complicated, many czech-speaking Bohemians coming to the >> US had at least a rudimentary knowledge of german, and may also have >> used the german terms themselves under appropriate circumstances, >> such as, perhaps, if giving information to a german-american court clerk >> in Milwaukee. >> During the 19th and early 20th century, the same period in which the >> greatest emigration to the US from Bohemia took place, the idea of >> czech nationalism slowly grew, both in the old country and among those >> immigrants who maintained an interest in political events back home. >> To describe yourself in english as "czech" rather than "bohemian" >> was, in a sense, to assert support for a separate "czech" >> nationality. Thus its use would have been unlikely among Bohemians >> of german language >> or ethnicity. The use of the term "czech" I think probably >> increased greatly among czech-american groups after the czech lands >> became the focus of an international crisis when Hitler demanded that >> Czechoslovakia be dismembered and the areas in Bohemia and Moravia >> with large german- >> speaking populations be handed to him to be incorporated into the 3rd >> Reich. >> This was accomplished in 1938 when Britain and France cut a deal with >> Germany that they would not intervene while the German Wehrmacht >> rolled into Czechoslovakia, in return for Hitler's promise that he would >> not make further territorial demands, thus affording, in the famous >> words of British prime minister Neville Chamberlain, "Peace in our >> Time". While the other world powers looked the other way, Nazi >> Germany not only annexed the Sudetenland areas, but reduced Bohemia, >> Moravia and Slovakia more or less to slave labor "protectorates" run >> by the forces of Nazi occupation. >> >> World War II broke out the following year when Germany broke the >> deal with England and France and invaded Poland as well. >> >> >> >> >> ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >> All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >> handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >> problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >> email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >> for list discussion. >> >> >> >> > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > >

Thanks! awesome information. Kevin Kittilson wrote: >John wrote: > > > >>Would we be wrong in assuming that Bohemians are just German Czechs? >> >> >I have read that Bohmen is the German word for Czech, in the Wikipedia >encyclopedia.< > >Yes, the assumption would be wrong. > >Boehmen is simply the German-language form of the term "Bohemia". >("boehmisch", which you will also see, is the adjective, ie., Bohemian) > >The german terms refer to the place, and to people who are citizens >of that place, without regard for their ethnic or language affiliations. > >Bohemia was part of the Austrian empire, and the official language >of the empire was German. Accordingly, all Bohemians, regardless >whether they were czech-speaking or german-speaking, carried >passports which indicated they were from "Boehmen." (Assuming >of course that they left with official permission and had a passport >or travel pass). > >There was no official acknowledgment of the term "czech" in >the austrian empire. > >Thus before the end of WWI even the czech-speaking inhabitants of >Bohemia were officially "boehmisch" and lived in "Boehmen". To make >matters more complicated, many czech-speaking Bohemians coming to >the US had at least a rudimentary knowledge of german, and may also >have used the german terms themselves under appropriate circumstances, >such as, perhaps, if giving information to a german-american court clerk >in Milwaukee. > >During the 19th and early 20th century, the same period in which the >greatest emigration to the US from Bohemia took place, the idea of >czech nationalism slowly grew, both in the old country and among those >immigrants who maintained an interest in political events back home. >To describe yourself in english as "czech" rather than "bohemian" was, >in a sense, to assert support for a separate "czech" nationality. Thus >its use would have been unlikely among Bohemians of german language >or ethnicity. The use of the term "czech" I think probably increased >greatly among czech-american groups after the czech lands became the >focus of an international crisis when Hitler demanded that Czechoslovakia >be dismembered and the areas in Bohemia and Moravia with large german- >speaking populations be handed to him to be incorporated into the 3rd >Reich. > >This was accomplished in 1938 when Britain and France cut a deal with >Germany that they would not intervene while the German Wehrmacht >rolled into Czechoslovakia, in return for Hitler's promise that he would >not make further territorial demands, thus affording, in the famous >words of British prime minister Neville Chamberlain, "Peace in our Time". >While the other world powers looked the other way, Nazi Germany not >only annexed the Sudetenland areas, but reduced Bohemia, Moravia >and Slovakia more or less to slave labor "protectorates" run by the forces >of Nazi occupation. > >World War II broke out the following year when Germany broke the >deal with England and France and invaded Poland as well. > > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively >handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal >problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an >email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate >for list discussion. > > > >

Delores There is an Antos family that goes to my church here in town. Are you related to that Antos family? dolores desideri wrote: > Like Heidi, I also am learning a lot of history through my > genealogical research. I'm constantly reading about my Grandparents > city of choice - Chicago. Though I was raised and live in the Chicago > area, I have learned a great deal more about the city's history as a > result of wanting to know more about my GPs lives and the city they > raised their children in. > > Genealogy has given me a deeper understanding of Europe and the > countries and conditions that my GPs left behind. My genealogical > focus isn't to find every relative, but to better understand my > ancestors. > > dolores desideri > > Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Janecek, and > Antos. > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without > permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use > Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > >

> >Reply-To: "Cultural Section" <[email protected]> >From: "Cultural Section" <[email protected]> >Subject: Elections 2006 - Volby 2006 >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:39:19 -0400 >Organization: Czech Embassy >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 > > >Volby 2006 > >Velvyslanectvi Ceske republiky ve Washingtonu >oznamuje, ze ve dnech 1. a 2. cervna 2006 se budou >konat volby do Poslanecke snemovny Parlamentu Ceske >republiky. Voleb se mohou zucastnit i cesti obcane >zijici v zahranici. Volebnimi misty budou opet >Velvyslanectvi CR ve Washingtonu a Generalni konzulaty >Ceske republiky v Chicagu, Los Angeles a New Yorku. > >Zakladni podminkou ucasti ve volbach je registrace >volice ve zvlastnim seznamu volicu vedeneho >velvyslanectvim nebo generalnim konzulatem. Pisemna >zadost o zapis do seznamu musi byt predana >prislusnemu zastupitelskemu uradu nejpozdeji do 23. >dubna 2006. Blizsi informace o registraci a volbach je >mozne ziskat na webove strance velvyslanectvi >www.mzv.cz/washington, nebo na telefonnim cisle (202) >274 9137. > >Upozornujeme, ze pri vlastnim hlasovani se volic musi >prokazat platnym pasem nebo obcanskym prukazem Ceske >republiky. > >Velvyslanectvi Ceske republiky, Washington >konzularni oddeleni > >*** > >Elections 2006 > >Embassy of the Czech Republic would like to inform all >Czech citizens about upcoming elections to the Chamber >of Deputies of the Parliament of the Czech Republic. >Elections will be held on June 1 and 2, 2006. >Elections are open for all Czech citizens living >abroad. Voting will be organized again at the Embassy >of the Czech Republic in Washington, DC, and at >Consulates General of the Czech Republic in Chicago, >Los Angeles, and New York. > >The basic requirement for voting abroad is to register >with the Embassy or Consulate General. Written >requests must be delivered to the appropriate office >no later than on April 23, 2006. For detailed >information, please visit the website of the Embassy >www.mzv.cz/washington, or call (202) 274-9137. > >Please be advised that a valid Czech passport or valid >Czech identification card is required for voting. > >Embassy of the Czech Republic, Washington >Consular Department

John wrote: >Would we be wrong in assuming that Bohemians are just German Czechs? I have read that Bohmen is the German word for Czech, in the Wikipedia encyclopedia.< Yes, the assumption would be wrong. Boehmen is simply the German-language form of the term "Bohemia". ("boehmisch", which you will also see, is the adjective, ie., Bohemian) The german terms refer to the place, and to people who are citizens of that place, without regard for their ethnic or language affiliations. Bohemia was part of the Austrian empire, and the official language of the empire was German. Accordingly, all Bohemians, regardless whether they were czech-speaking or german-speaking, carried passports which indicated they were from "Boehmen." (Assuming of course that they left with official permission and had a passport or travel pass). There was no official acknowledgment of the term "czech" in the austrian empire. Thus before the end of WWI even the czech-speaking inhabitants of Bohemia were officially "boehmisch" and lived in "Boehmen". To make matters more complicated, many czech-speaking Bohemians coming to the US had at least a rudimentary knowledge of german, and may also have used the german terms themselves under appropriate circumstances, such as, perhaps, if giving information to a german-american court clerk in Milwaukee. During the 19th and early 20th century, the same period in which the greatest emigration to the US from Bohemia took place, the idea of czech nationalism slowly grew, both in the old country and among those immigrants who maintained an interest in political events back home. To describe yourself in english as "czech" rather than "bohemian" was, in a sense, to assert support for a separate "czech" nationality. Thus its use would have been unlikely among Bohemians of german language or ethnicity. The use of the term "czech" I think probably increased greatly among czech-american groups after the czech lands became the focus of an international crisis when Hitler demanded that Czechoslovakia be dismembered and the areas in Bohemia and Moravia with large german- speaking populations be handed to him to be incorporated into the 3rd Reich. This was accomplished in 1938 when Britain and France cut a deal with Germany that they would not intervene while the German Wehrmacht rolled into Czechoslovakia, in return for Hitler's promise that he would not make further territorial demands, thus affording, in the famous words of British prime minister Neville Chamberlain, "Peace in our Time". While the other world powers looked the other way, Nazi Germany not only annexed the Sudetenland areas, but reduced Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia more or less to slave labor "protectorates" run by the forces of Nazi occupation. World War II broke out the following year when Germany broke the deal with England and France and invaded Poland as well.

This is a forwarded message with Karen Hobbs's kind permission. Elaine On Wednesday, April 12, 2006, you wrote Family History Library Ancestor Seekers are researchers at the library in SLCity. They will search the LDS collection for ancestors from USA, Canada, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Russia. Although these countries do not include CZ or CR, Bohemia or Moravia they may find data about several generations in the US or Canada with roots in those countries. German data may also include data about families expelled from Sudetenland. Fees starting at $52 apply after a free initial search. http://www.ancestorseekers.com/research/rwr/ Other professional researchers in SLC not directly associated with the library will also conduct searches. The fixed cost of a "single item search" is usually about $100 and is well worth it compared to travel and a stay in SLC to find that item yourself. Karen

Susan, you are probably looking for Chotebor (not Chatebor). Take a look at http://www.chotebor.cz/ Honza [email protected] wrote: > I am trying to find the location of the town: Chatebor, Bohemia. I am > researching the Schenk family from this town. Family history states that Joseph > Schenk was in the Austrian Army for 11 years and was in the campaign against > Napoleon. His son, Joseph Schenk owned a dye works. Any help would be > appreciated. > Susan > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. > > >

Like Heidi, I also am learning a lot of history through my genealogical research. I'm constantly reading about my Grandparents city of choice - Chicago. Though I was raised and live in the Chicago area, I have learned a great deal more about the city's history as a result of wanting to know more about my GPs lives and the city they raised their children in. Genealogy has given me a deeper understanding of Europe and the countries and conditions that my GPs left behind. My genealogical focus isn't to find every relative, but to better understand my ancestors. dolores desideri Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Janecek, and Antos.

I am trying to find the location of the town: Chatebor, Bohemia. I am researching the Schenk family from this town. Family history states that Joseph Schenk was in the Austrian Army for 11 years and was in the campaign against Napoleon. His son, Joseph Schenk owned a dye works. Any help would be appreciated. Susan

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http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/who.html > Would we be wrong in assuming that Bohemians > are just German Czechs? I > have read that Bohmen is the German word for > Czech, in the Wikipedia > encyclopedia.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRC.2ACE/3497.1 Message Board Post: You are probably looking for Bedrich Klima. Given name Bedrich is equivalent to Frederick and it may be americanized to Fred. Bedrich Klima was born on August 16, 1895 in Nihov, house number 35 (source: vital registers of parish Brezi). He came to US on November 12, 1905 (not 1912!) with mother, sister and two brothers and travelled to his father Jan Klima in Crete, Nebraska (source Ellis Island i-net page). His uncle was Frank Kubes in Seward Co., Nebraska (source: Rose Rosicky: Czechs in Nebraska).

Ok my input is that I basically hated history in high school, but after I left high school I started to LOVE history! Of course, mostly genealogical history, but still history. My teachers in high school did not allow me to enjoy history, so I never understood what it was i was reading. It of course was partly my fault for not beinga good studier, but also it was the teacher's fault for not making it a 'fun' subject for me to learn. But now I gobble up my genealogical history. I cannot get enough! John in Michigan > >

Would we be wrong in assuming that Bohemians are just German Czechs? I have read that Bohmen is the German word for Czech, in the Wikipedia encyclopedia. Gabriela Novak wrote: > Hello, I just wanted to thank Kevin for such accurate description of > the terms Bohemian vs Czech. That was by far the best summary/ > definition that I have read and I couldn't have said it better. > As to education, we all know the situation. I agree with Kevin and > Canada is not far behind, although they don't want to admit it. I > have a daughter in High School, I should know. Next year they are > taking calculus out of the curriculum, as well as "advanced" concepts > of interest and other financial calculations, so that future > graduates won't be able to understand their mortgage terms and the > economic reports. > Gabriela. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are > making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete > the list address and add the individual's address. > >

I also want to thank Kevin as well as all others on this list and all other genealogy mailing lists that I subscribe to. I have to admit that learning history as I was growing up in Kansas was not top on my list. I have learned so much history in the past year since I began researching my roots. I also must defend our school system as my children ranging in age from 15 - 21 are very knowledgeable when it comes to history, current events, and government both regarding the USA and foreign affairs. They begin in elementary school with Iowa history (where we live now and where my children have been educated) and continue in Middle School with classes like Cultural Geography where they not only learn about geography, but learn about the people who live or have lived in various parts of the world. In high school they have a little more choice of what history classes they take, excluding American Government which is required. I can't say that they would say they love history if you! asked them. They will say however, that there have been several influential people who have been speakers in their history and government classes that have made history class interesting at least some days. People like YOU and ME. People who have a genuine love or desire to share our knowledge about the history of the world and its people. I challenge each of you to contact a teacher in your school system to find out how you can speak to the students about genealogy, a specific historical event that your knowledgable about, or arrange for a speaker other than yourself. Find out what historical events are taking place in your area and help promote them by getting this information to teachers or help sponsor a field trip to an event such as a Civil War reenactment. These type of events really make history come alive for students. I am a non employed preschool/elementary teacher and know that most teachers welcome outside speakers to help their classrooms come alive. We need! to show our children how history can be exciting. Getting involved is the best way to change something that we feel is lacking. Complaining without action has no benefits. As a side note, it was my daughter (at age 13 after a speaker came to her classroom to speak about learning history through genealogy research) who got me started. As of a little over a year ago I did not even know my grandparents full names. Currently I have connected, with many peoples help and willingness to share, close to 3000 thousand people. In doing so I have learned a great deal of history of the USA as well as Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, and Austria and look forward to learning more.Thank you and good luck on the challenge. Heidi

Hello, I just wanted to thank Kevin for such accurate description of the terms Bohemian vs Czech. That was by far the best summary/ definition that I have read and I couldn't have said it better. As to education, we all know the situation. I agree with Kevin and Canada is not far behind, although they don't want to admit it. I have a daughter in High School, I should know. Next year they are taking calculus out of the curriculum, as well as "advanced" concepts of interest and other financial calculations, so that future graduates won't be able to understand their mortgage terms and the economic reports. Gabriela.

I have to disagree with you and agree with Kevin. The truth hurts, but it is still the truth. Get used to it. Anthony. Rose M Carrabine <[email protected]> wrote: Agree, John. Rose john 04/11/2006 07:48 AM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [CZ] Re: Czech / Bohemian language "American schooling is so deficient in terms of history and philology"......Gee that was not very nice! Kevin Kittilson wrote: >Good grief! How unfortunate it is that American schooling is so >deficient in terms of history and philology that issues like this keep >recycling. This whole thing is neither mysterious nor overly >complicated. > >The term "Bohemia" as a place name, and the term "Bohemian" as the >term for a language spoken by people in "Bohemia", are not Czech >terms. The Czechs (also an English rather than a Czech term) call >themselves and their language by terms from which we clumsily >derive the approximation "Czech". > >That does not mean that it is incorrect ever to use Bohemia or >Bohemian in English. The name Bohemia is the traditional Latin >and subsequently traditional English geographical term for what >became the Czech lands. > >It derives from the name of a barbarian tribe, the Boii. They have nothing >much to do with the Czechs or anything else except that they happened >to be the tribe that lived in or near this region when it was described >geographically by early geographers writing in the time of ancient Rome. >As was the case for almost all learned writing, the Latin language was >the universal language of scholars all over Europe up to the 17th century >and sometimes even later. It was the universal language of diplomacy >until the close of the Renaissance. Accordingly, even when the inhabitants >of a region had their own name for a place in their own language, most others >around them generally continued to use the traditional Latin names, which >were considered more both more "correct" and more universally understood. > >Thus in England, the place was called Bohemia; in German countries, it >became "Boehmen", in France, "la Boheme", etc. > >This is an identical process to the one by which we give in English the Latin >name German to the people who call themselves the "deutsch" and the place >name Germany (from "Germania") to what is locally known as Deutschland. >That is derived from another barbarian tribe, the Germani, who similarly >lived there when the Romans described that one. Interestingly, the French >picked up the alternative Latin name, based on the Allemani tribe, and call >Germany "allemagne." The germans, on the other hand, call France >"Frankreich", which means "kingdom of the Franks", still another tribe >(interestingly enough, a germanic one). I could give many more examples. > >For some reason no one ever seems to object about the fact that the >deutsche Volk who settled in the US called themselves Germans, even >though they would not have done so in their own language. They simply >used the English name for their homeland, which was, in turn, derived >from a Latin geographical term. > >Similarly, many Czechs who settled here called themselves Bohemians after >arrival, as that is and was the English word for them at the time. Thus I >must respectfully disagree with those who would call that term inappropriate. >I will defer to the judgment of the many prominent, well-educated Czech- >Americans of the 19th century who started "Bohemian" cemeteries, >"Bohemian" schools, authored "Bohemian-English" dictionaries and grammars, >and so forth. For example, Karel Jonas, who became Lt. Gov. of Wisconsin >and later U.S. counsel to Prague. If he considered himself Bohemian, who >am I to argue with him? > >In any event, anyone who contends that it is inappropriate ever to use >"Bohemia" or "Bohemian" when speaking English should similarly never use >"German" or "Germany". They are not native terms for those places either. > >BTW I have deliberately avoided discussing the complex issues relating to >the German-speaking inhabitants who lived in the Czech lands. Not because >I think they are not equally entitled to consideration but because that subject >is somewhat peripheral to this one and is also too complicated to discuss in >what has already gotten to be too long a message. >______________________________ > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, >chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring >and/or lose subscription privileges. > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. If you are making a personal reply to a poster, it will be necessary to delete the list address and add the individual's address. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

I have another story worth telling .... a few years ago I purchased a Sokol pin on ebay -- it was mailed to me - postmarked Czech Republic. My mailman came to the door and told me I received something from the Sezick Republic. At least that's the way he pronounced it -- the postmark was definitely spelled correctly - evidently he had no idea what it was or where it was. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ondracek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: RE: [CZ] Re: Czech / Bohemian language > Just came back from my doctor's office, talked to my doctor's nurse about > obtaining some antibiotics to take with me on my trip to the Czech > Republic. Nurse says: where? The Czech Republic. Where is that? After > telling her, I had to spell 'Czech' > for her. > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Kittilson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CZ] Re: Czech / Bohemian language > > I would like to apologize to anyone on the list who may have been > offended by my comments about american schooling. I certainly > did not mean to suggest in any way that any one on the list was > uneducated or unschooled, but it seems some may have taken it > that way. Nor was there any intent to impugn the fine contributions > of the many very dedicated teachers in our schools. My frustration > was with a fact about our society and certainly not with anyone > on the list! > > What I don't think can be undisputed, however, is that due both > to budget constraints and administrative priorites little emphasis is > placed on history, especially non-US history, foreign languages, or > foreign culture and neither is a particularly significant part of the > required curriculum in most american public schools. > > Similarly, there is little real coverage of foreign news and cultures > in the American mass media, other than where it directly affects > US political interests or has a sufficient human interest factor, such > as in the case of a natural disaster with high mortality rates. > > Others certainly may reasonably disagree over the extent to which > these subjects should form part of the curriculum, and I do understand > that in many schools it is difficult enough for struggling teachers to > find > the resources and time even to successfully convey the basic 3Rs. > > Obviously I am personally one of those who takes the opinion that more > background in history and more understanding of other cultures should > be taught in this country, especially where we, as a superpower, interact > with the rest of the world in so many areas and so many ways. It may > have been sufficient to ignore the rest of the world in the 19th century, > but as multiple world wars and other conflicts and events have shown since > that time, it is no longer possible to do so. To move on the world stage > as > > an active player without an adequate understanding of the other places > and peoples with which we interact is not merely arrogant, it is a recipe > for > disaster. > > More to the point vis a vis this list, such education would have been very > helpful to most of us as genealogists whose ancestors were from places > whose history we know little about. It was this last point that I > clumsily > tried to make in my comment about american education. I should not have > allowed myself to express this as a matter of exasperation, and for that > I apologize. > > Kevin > > BTW here are some interesting results of a survey done by National > Geographic in 2002: > > "About 11 percent of young citizens of the U.S. couldn't even locate > the U.S. on a map. The Pacific Ocean's location was a mystery to 29 > percent; Japan, to 58 percent; France, to 65 percent; and the United > Kingdom, to 69 percent. . . . > > And some results from a study in 2000 by the Center for Survey > Research and Analysis, showing we don't even do very well on our > own history: > > "More than 500 seniors at 55 of the best colleges and universities in > the United States responded to the telephone questionnaire, which > consisted of multiple choice questions on topics ranging from the > Magna Carta to the Monroe Doctrine, from the Battle of Yorktown > to the Battle of the Bulge. Sixty-five percent of the students -- from > such schools as Yale, Northwestern, Smith, and Bowdoin -- failed to > "pass" the test and only one student answered all 34 questions > correctly. > > Ninety-nine percent of the respondents, however, correctly identified > Beavis and Butthead!" > >>>> john <[email protected]> 04/11/06 6:48 AM >>> > "American schooling is so deficient in terms of history and > philology"......Gee that was not very nice! > > > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > The mailing list is configured to reply only to the list. 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Pretty interesting article I found on a Czech's trip from the motherland to Bremen. I liked it and I hope you do too http://www.benyo.com/litmanova/interview1.htm > >