This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRC.2ACE/3501 Message Board Post: my wifes mother and father were from mahrish rothwasser, her fathers name was kurt adol schmied he was born 04-22-1908, can someone help me to locate some of her family, thanks john carney, i missspelled his middle name it should have been adolf

John, We all make mistakes no matter who we are. I know I have and will most likely continue to do so without meaning to. Life is a learning experience and it is through mistakes we learn. May you have a blessed Easter, Mary -------------- Original message -------------- From: john <[email protected]> > I'm SORRY I have hurt someone's feelings by not 'SNIPPING' messages that > were attached to mine inadvertantly! I was born with spina bifida and I > am NOT PERFECT. SO please if anyone has a beef with me, just delete the > message and dont even read it. I was not MEANING to send it to the > entire list. > It's Easter. Let's all be happy > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. >

Unless I missed others, it appears that you responded to a post sent by a writer that contained a great deal of older extraneous material. You did not personally attach the material, the other poster did. You probably weren't expecting it since you are a list poster and it wouldn't normally happen to you, but the tag-along material was there and the digest would contain it. Many list subscribers wouldn't even pay attention since it rides on the coat-tail of the message. Things happen, John. Only one person complained that I know of. Though others on digest who plow through mail in a digest format might well have thought a few extra unkind things about that particular post. It is why I prefer to top post my replies and why I subscribe to list mail. I can skip the extraneous at the bottom of a list post since bottom posting happens very rarely. And I almost always delete what is beneath the message I am responding to, rarely tackling the comments of a bottom or in-line poster. List subscribers can make life easier for people who insist on digest format by deleting all but the post (unless earlier posts are essential to understanding the thread) when replying to a specific post. Elaine An ardent supporter of the hometown team should go to a game prepared to take offense, no matter what happens. --Robert Benchley Hello john On Saturday, April 15, 2006, you wrote > Hello everybody. If I'm on list form, and not > digest. Why do I receive > everyone else's emails attached to mine?

Hello everybody. If I'm on list form, and not digest. Why do I receive everyone else's emails attached to mine?

OOPS sorry. you know what I meant. HA HA Sorry for the mistakes today. no more mistakes. i apologize Jim Sladek wrote: > No .... you wouldn't have half the title in Czech and half in English. > Wenceslas Square (in Engish) = Vaclav Namesti (in Czech). > > Jim Sladek > > >

Names are difficult aren't they <smile>. From Wikipedia: "Wenceslas Square (Czech: Václavské námestí) is one of the main city squares and the centre of the business and cultural communities in the New Town of Prague, Czech Republic. It has been a place where many historical events occurred; it is also a traditional place for demonstrations, celebrations, and similar public gatherings. The square is named after Saint Wenceslas, the patron saint of Bohemia." From http://www.prague-guide.co.uk/wenceslas-square.htm "The 750-meter long and 60 meter wide boulevard originates from the Charles IV period when it was used as a horse market. In the upper part of the boulevard the statue of St. Wenceslas on his horse can be seen. He is the good king Vaclav, who was murdered by his brother over a thousand years ago, and who over the years has become a national hero. The artist J.V. Myslbek began to make this statue in year 1884 and 36 years later it was finished.' But when I sing the Christmas Carol, I sing about the Good King Wenceslas. Elaine > Tina [sic], there is a Wenceslas square in > Prague, wouldn't that properly be called Vaclav > square?

Tina, there is a Wenceslas square in Prague, wouldn't that properly be called Vaclav square? ETM wrote: >http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1145051415324&call_pageid=1024322088824&col=1024322216735 > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >Czech Message Boards are at >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > > > >

Happy Easter, John. Remember to use your subscription address! Hugs, Elaine This is a forwarded message From: anton19542001 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, April 15, 2006, 4:17:34 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [CZ] SORRY Don, Thanks and HAPPY EASTER TO YOU! Ok complaining people I did it right this time :) So be happy ok? Don Ondracek wrote: > > > > > > > > >

HAPPY EASTER TO YOU JOHN! Don Ondracek in GA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] SORRY John, We all make mistakes no matter who we are. I know I have and will most likely continue to do so without meaning to. Life is a learning experience and it is through mistakes we learn. May you have a blessed Easter, Mary -------------- Original message -------------- From: john <[email protected]> > I'm SORRY I have hurt someone's feelings by not 'SNIPPING' messages that > were attached to mine inadvertantly! I was born with spina bifida and I > am NOT PERFECT. SO please if anyone has a beef with me, just delete the > message and dont even read it. I was not MEANING to send it to the > entire list. > It's Easter. Let's all be happy > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > No off topic posts, flames, virus warnings, prayers, jokes, > chain letters, etc. Violators will be placed on message monitoring > and/or lose subscription privileges. > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Czech Message Boards are at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic

I'm SORRY I have hurt someone's feelings by not 'SNIPPING' messages that were attached to mine inadvertantly! I was born with spina bifida and I am NOT PERFECT. SO please if anyone has a beef with me, just delete the message and dont even read it. I was not MEANING to send it to the entire list. It's Easter. Let's all be happy

Kathy, I have a very similar situation. All of my paternal (post immigration) side of the (BACAK) family insists that they are "Bohemian", when in fact as I finish up my first volume of our family research "book" I can say that at least as far back as 1700, none of our family was born outside of Moravia---as backed up by documentation. I have no idea where they got the idea that they were Bohemian from. As a matter of fact, you can't get much further away from Bohemia (in what is now collectively the Czech Republic) and still be in the country. My family came from a small village located literally up against the Beskydy/Carpathian Mountains in Moravia, on the furthest opposite side of the country from Bohemia. This is part of why I have put the report together for our family, to clarify this and many other subjects related to our Moravian heritage. When I started, I knew the least about it (due to complicated circumstances) and now I know more than the rest of the family about our specific ancestral history. :-) Richard -----Original Message----- From: Kathy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Being Bohemian Both of my paternal lines in Texas were descendents of Moravians. Growing up and for over 45 years I thought we were Bohemian. My grandmother insisted we were Bohemian and used the word Bohunks. I found out 5 years ago we were Moravian. I hadn't even heard of Moravia till I started my research. My mom and dad hadn't heard of Moravia. Early on, most that married into the Dlabaja and Filip lines were Moravian. The only one I'm not sure about is my gr grandmother Mary Vymola Dlabaja. I haven't located anything about her family. I do have a feeling she was Bohemian as they were married in Praha, Fayette Co, Texas. I have read that a lot of the original Czech in Praha, Fayette Co were Bohemian.. We don't have any idea why gr grandpa was in Fayette Co when all of our anscestors were in Burleson and Lee counties. Kathleen Dlabay Makiewicz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Being Bohemian << SNIP>> > The vast majority of Czechs in Texas, however, are of Moravian heritage. > In previous generations, in Texas, to call a Moravian a Bohemian could easily > provoke a fight (although not all Moravians had this objection). <<SNIP>> > I am wondering to what extent Moravians in Moravia objected to being > called Bohemians. >

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Werner, Lang Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRC.2ACE/3500 Message Board Post: Joseph Werner and wife Anna Lang, and four children Andreas, Anton, Barbara and Theresia all apparently were born in Bohemia, town unknown. They arrived in New York harbor in 1868 aboard the vessel Weser from Bremen, Germany. They settled at Buchanan, Outagamie County, Wisconsin. Looking for any information concerning their whereabouts or relatives in Bohemia.

Someone on t he list was looking for information about the KUBICEK surname I believe? well There is a Frank KUBICEK buried at the Chicago Bohemian National Cemetery. HEre is the link for that photo. http://www.graveyards.com/IL/Cook/bohemian/whitebronze.html

Both of my paternal lines in Texas were descendents of Moravians. Growing up and for over 45 years I thought we were Bohemian. My grandmother insisted we were Bohemian and used the word Bohunks. I found out 5 years ago we were Moravian. I hadn't even heard of Moravia till I started my research. My mom and dad hadn't heard of Moravia. Early on, most that married into the Dlabaja and Filip lines were Moravian. The only one I'm not sure about is my gr grandmother Mary Vymola Dlabaja. I haven't located anything about her family. I do have a feeling she was Bohemian as they were married in Praha, Fayette Co, Texas. I have read that a lot of the original Czech in Praha, Fayette Co were Bohemian.. We don't have any idea why gr grandpa was in Fayette Co when all of our anscestors were in Burleson and Lee counties. Kathleen Dlabay Makiewicz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Being Bohemian << SNIP>> > The vast majority of Czechs in Texas, however, are of Moravian heritage. > In previous generations, in Texas, to call a Moravian a Bohemian could easily > provoke a fight (although not all Moravians had this objection). <<SNIP>> > I am wondering to what extent Moravians in Moravia objected to being > called Bohemians. >

Heidi The famous composer, Antonin Dvorak, lived at Spillville during 1893, the same year my grandfather was born, but we are no relation, I always fantasized that antonin had an affair with my great grandmother. HAHAHHHAHAHA Didn't happen, just a silly dream Heidi wrote: >Jack, > >I live in central Iowa and have recently started on my husbands roots. ZLAB, >JAVORSKY, DVORAK, RIHA, MIFKA mostly Wisconsin and Nebraska. I go very near >the St Joseph area several times each summer on my way to Okoboji, Iowa. If >you need something loooked up or a photo taken that you missed, just let me >know and I will see what I can do. It sounds like you may live far from >here. > >Heidi >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:00 AM >Subject: [CZ] >Prokosch/Domeier/Knott/Eckstein/Petzinger/Wagner/Losleben/Sperl/Schroepfer/S >eifert/Becker/Heiderscheidt/Weber/Goblirsch and many others. > > > > >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >>------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >>format=flowed; >>charset="iso-8859-1"; >>reply-type=original >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>To all you Bohemians: >> >>Here is my success story! >> >>I have recently returned from a remarkable visit to northwestern Iowa (St. >>Joseph) and New Ulm, MN areas. After many years of putting my family tree >>together, the Bohemian connection was the most difficult. Now I have >>completed the connection of two Prokosch lines from the New Ulm area, that >> >> >I > > >>suspected had to be related. They are!! It took me to Trohatin, >>Schilligkau, and Muttersdorf. We walked several cemeteries, and saw many >>names that I thought might be related, but didn't know when I was there. >> >> >Now > > >>I have them connected! Lots of data entry into my Family Tree Maker >>software, but it was worth the travel time, costs, visits with relatives, >>and non-relatives, farms, libraries (Darla, it was nice to meet with you, >>and a relative!), and New Ulm, such a clean town, just like the old >>country! >> >>If I can share any data with any of you, now that I have it the software, >> >> >it > > >>will be easy to give you some names of your relatives, that I have for >> >> >you. > > >>Contact me off list please. >> >>Isn't this work fun and exciting? Especially, when after years of work, >> >> >you > > >>finally can put it all together, and meet many of your relatives, that you >>would never have known about. It makes it all worth it, many times over, >> >> >and > > >>the thrill of accomplishment, outweighs anything you have to put into it. >>Bob, Karen, and Darla, I want to thank you all, in the early stages of my >>research, to point me in the right direction. >>Keep up your good work, in helping all of those interested in finding >> >> >their > > >>ROOTS! >> >>Jack Knott >>Phone: 314-265-7778 >>Fax: 636-352-0181 >>[email protected] >> >>------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980 >>Content-Type: text/x-vcard; >>name="Jack Knott.vcf" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Content-Disposition: attachment; >>filename="Jack Knott.vcf" >> >>BEGIN:VCARD >>VERSION:2.1 >>N:Knott;Jack;;L.O. >>FN:Jack Knott >>ORG:U.S. Lending >>TITLE:L.O. >>TEL;WORK;VOICE:314-265-7778 >>TEL;HOME;VOICE:636-946-7779 >>TEL;CELL;VOICE:314-265-7778 >>TEL;WORK;FAX:636-352-0181 >>TEL;HOME;FAX:636-352-0181 >>ADR;WORK:;314-544-1900;12430 Tesson Ferry Rd, Suite 110;Saint = >>Louis;MO;63128 >>LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:314-544-1900=3D0D=3D0A12430 = >>Tesson Ferry Rd, Suite 110=3D0D=3D0ASaint Louis, MO 6312=3D >>8 >>ADR;HOME:;;1806 Glenn Abbe Ct;St. Charles;MO;63303 >>LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1806 Glenn Abbe Ct=3D0D=3D0ASt. = >>Charles, MO 63303 >>EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[email protected] >>EMAIL;INTERNET:[email protected] >>REV:20060414T150002Z >>END:VCARD >> >>------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980-- >> >> >> >>==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >>Czech Message Boards are at >>http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic >> >> >> > > > >==== CZECH Mailing List ==== >If you'd like to search our archives, please visit >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > > > >

I guess in pecking order, I am an American first, a Wisconsinite second, and if asked about heritage, I very likely would say my background was Czech and German because that is what it is. I am too far removed from the original immigrants to know about language. My father indicated his parents spoke to their children in American English. I think the immigrants in past years wanted first and foremost to be assimilated. One of the reasons many of us have difficulty with our research is because there was little discussion of the past, the immigrants wanted to and did become American. Elaine The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop Hello Larry On Friday, April 14, 2006, you wrote > My father came from "Moravia" and growing up we > heard all kinds of names > and it really didn't hurt our feelings since we > were raised in TEXAS and > are Texans first. My father didn't want us > children to learn the Czech > language, why, I never found out other than he > wanted to leave his past > behind. > Larry W. Krc

I can't imagine that anyone in Moravia would be called Bohemian, it's an entirely different area. It would be like calling a Georgian a Floridian. It wouldn't happen. Elaine Research: What I'm doing, when I don't know what I'm doing. Hello CWarschak On Friday, April 14, 2006, you wrote > I have followed the conversations about > being Bohemian/Czech with great > interest. Having done genealogy for a number > of years, I am somewhat familiar > with that controversy , however, I still have a > question which reflects on my > Czech heritage. As we all know, Czechoslovakia > was originally made up of the > "states" of Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia. > It seems that most immigrants of Czech > heritage living outside of Texas > didn't particularly object to being called > Bohemians (because their ancestors > emigrated from the "state" of Bohemia. > The vast majority of Czechs in Texas, > however, are of Moravian heritage. > In previous generations, in Texas, to call a > Moravian a Bohemian could easily > provoke a fight (although not all Moravians had this objection). > I understand that, prior to the creation of Czechoslovakia, both, > Moravians and Bohemians could rightfully be > called Austrians/Austria-Hungarians. > I also understand that, on ships passenger > lists and on census forms the > term Bohemian was often used (by officials who > did not know the difference). > I am wondering to what extent Moravians in > Moravia objected to being > called Bohemians.

And I'm going to answer this with a big smile -- I would guess Moravians in Moravia definitely objected to being called Bohemians -- if that term was ever used in Moravia (I doubt that -- from what I understand, Bohemian is not a name used to describe people from Bohemia - except in America where we don't know better. It's important to remember that even though a word or term or expression is used over and over again, it does not make it correct. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: [CZ] Being Bohemian > I have followed the conversations about being Bohemian/Czech with great > interest. Having done genealogy for a number of years, I am somewhat > familiar > with that controversy , however, I still have a question which reflects on > my > Czech heritage. As we all know, Czechoslovakia was originally made up of > the > "states" of Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia. > It seems that most immigrants of Czech heritage living outside of Texas > didn't particularly object to being called Bohemians (because their > ancestors > emigrated from the "state" of Bohemia. > The vast majority of Czechs in Texas, however, are of Moravian > heritage. > In previous generations, in Texas, to call a Moravian a Bohemian could > easily > provoke a fight (although not all Moravians had this objection). > I understand that, prior to the creation of Czechoslovakia, both, > Moravians and Bohemians could rightfully be called > Austrians/Austria-Hungarians. > I also understand that, on ships passenger lists and on census forms > the > term Bohemian was often used (by officials who did not know the > difference). > I am wondering to what extent Moravians in Moravia objected to being > called Bohemians. > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. > >

Jack, I live in central Iowa and have recently started on my husbands roots. ZLAB, JAVORSKY, DVORAK, RIHA, MIFKA mostly Wisconsin and Nebraska. I go very near the St Joseph area several times each summer on my way to Okoboji, Iowa. If you need something loooked up or a photo taken that you missed, just let me know and I will see what I can do. It sounds like you may live far from here. Heidi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: [CZ] Prokosch/Domeier/Knott/Eckstein/Petzinger/Wagner/Losleben/Sperl/Schroepfer/S eifert/Becker/Heiderscheidt/Weber/Goblirsch and many others. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980 > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > To all you Bohemians: > > Here is my success story! > > I have recently returned from a remarkable visit to northwestern Iowa (St. > Joseph) and New Ulm, MN areas. After many years of putting my family tree > together, the Bohemian connection was the most difficult. Now I have > completed the connection of two Prokosch lines from the New Ulm area, that I > suspected had to be related. They are!! It took me to Trohatin, > Schilligkau, and Muttersdorf. We walked several cemeteries, and saw many > names that I thought might be related, but didn't know when I was there. Now > I have them connected! Lots of data entry into my Family Tree Maker > software, but it was worth the travel time, costs, visits with relatives, > and non-relatives, farms, libraries (Darla, it was nice to meet with you, > and a relative!), and New Ulm, such a clean town, just like the old > country! > > If I can share any data with any of you, now that I have it the software, it > will be easy to give you some names of your relatives, that I have for you. > Contact me off list please. > > Isn't this work fun and exciting? Especially, when after years of work, you > finally can put it all together, and meet many of your relatives, that you > would never have known about. It makes it all worth it, many times over, and > the thrill of accomplishment, outweighs anything you have to put into it. > Bob, Karen, and Darla, I want to thank you all, in the early stages of my > research, to point me in the right direction. > Keep up your good work, in helping all of those interested in finding their > ROOTS! > > Jack Knott > Phone: 314-265-7778 > Fax: 636-352-0181 > [email protected] > > ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; > name="Jack Knott.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Jack Knott.vcf" > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Knott;Jack;;L.O. > FN:Jack Knott > ORG:U.S. Lending > TITLE:L.O. > TEL;WORK;VOICE:314-265-7778 > TEL;HOME;VOICE:636-946-7779 > TEL;CELL;VOICE:314-265-7778 > TEL;WORK;FAX:636-352-0181 > TEL;HOME;FAX:636-352-0181 > ADR;WORK:;314-544-1900;12430 Tesson Ferry Rd, Suite 110;Saint = > Louis;MO;63128 > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:314-544-1900=3D0D=3D0A12430 = > Tesson Ferry Rd, Suite 110=3D0D=3D0ASaint Louis, MO 6312=3D > 8 > ADR;HOME:;;1806 Glenn Abbe Ct;St. Charles;MO;63303 > LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1806 Glenn Abbe Ct=3D0D=3D0ASt. = > Charles, MO 63303 > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[email protected] > EMAIL;INTERNET:[email protected] > REV:20060414T150002Z > END:VCARD > > ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C65FAA.3284C980-- > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic >