Thank you for your help. That is a good point, though I checked just now the reports I got from my CR researcher and Komrska never had any marks over any of the letters. But there is always a possibility for anything, especially when travelling through another country like Germany to depart. Here's some of the various spellings I've found for Komrska in the U.S. - Komerska Komisky Komiskey Kominsky Komaska Komraska Kamrska Cominsky Comisky When I found my great grandfather's ship record, his name was spelled "Vaclaw Kainaska" - so about half the letters were correct. Fortunately the first names of the last two Komrska men I'm looking for are common names - Josef and Frantisek, so I'm familiar with the variations of those two names. I just found a listing for a Josef "Komocous", which sounded promising, but unfortunately he was listed with unknown occupation and 23 yrs of age when arriving on the Habsburg ship from Bohemia on 28 Jun 1881. My Josef Komrska was born 17 Jan 1853, so if he arrived in 1882 as census indicates, he would have been 29 yrs old (or 28 yrs old in 1881). I wonder if the 3 in 23 might have been an 8? Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CZ] KOMRSKA spelling Carol, I think you have a good idea to research all possible spellings of the name. There could also be a hacek over the r which would give it the rz sound. For instance, I have found records for KOVARIK spelled every way imaginable: KOWARCHEK, KOWARSEK, KOWARTCHEK, KOWARCZIK, KOVAREK, KOVARSEK, etc. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) Contact [email protected] for list related problems For the CZECH-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/czech

These are the families and towns I am researching, does anyone have any connections that may help? Vaclav HROUDA b1867 in Letov, Bohemia (immigrated to New york city 1879) wife: Barbara V(W)OLHMUT(H) b1872 in (O)ustalec Bohemia, daughter of Vaclav & Marie (SOBRA) of Sousedovic Bohemia Also: CESANEKOVE of Skudry Zavlekov and HAIDINGERA of (O)Ustalec Bohemia Thank you Agnes

Slovakia has permitted LDS filming of their records. http://www.carpatho-rusyn.org/slov1.htm#mormon What years are you talking about? Have you checked the Ellis Island and Castle Garden websites? http://stevemorse.org/ Elaine Find an aim in life before you run out of ammunition. --Arnold Glasow Hello TaoZ On Monday, May 8, 2006, you wrote > Regarding your listing of the Czech Passenger > Lists, may I inquire whether > this also includes people from Slovakia? I'd > appreciate an elucidation of > this. > > Thank you. > > Pavel

Probably not immediately as there were more regulations than now, i.e., in California in the 1950's, one had to live in the state for one year, the county for 90 days, and the city for 30days. It's likely that there were similar rules in the 1890's. Joan Smat Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "dolores desideri" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: [CZ] Antos & 1890 census > Would a family that arrived in 1885 be able to vote? I don't know when and > if they became citizens. > > dolores > On May 8, 2006, at 5:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: May 7, 2006 7:17:30 PM CDT >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Antos & 1890 census >> >> >> If you are wishing for 1890 census for chicago relatives, you may want to >> look in the 1888, 1890, and 1892 Chicago Voters Registrations. >> > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > Czech Message Boards are at > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic > >

Would a family that arrived in 1885 be able to vote? I don't know when and if they became citizens. dolores On May 8, 2006, at 5:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > From: [email protected] > Date: May 7, 2006 7:17:30 PM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Antos & 1890 census > > > If you are wishing for 1890 census for chicago relatives, you may want > to look in the 1888, 1890, and 1892 Chicago Voters Registrations. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Vavra Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/lRC.2ACE/3512.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for the link. I will look into it more when I have a little more time.

Regarding your listing of the Czech Passenger Lists, may I inquire whether this also includes people from Slovakia? I'd appreciate an elucidation of this. Thank you. Pavel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/lRC.2ACE/3512.1 Message Board Post: Browsing on the net I found this notice that may be helpful to you (but maybe you already know): http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN/2000-10/0970995056 Mala Chyzka means "little hut" in english, is probably a small village.

Would anyone know if there was an agust and Lima Pfaff from this area. They came to phila.Pa and he had a bakery in Kensington, Pa. I am trying t to find out where they came from - The name is German because I am of german descent and my father's family were married to pfaffs. Thanks for any info! [email protected]

You can go to netscape, or whover and type in Leo Baca and do a search that way. There are a LOT of sites to go to. Try this one: Czech/Slovak http://wwwsvu2000.org/whatwedo/c5ga.3.htm. Hope this helps. Larry W. Krc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] Baca List Information Regarding your listing of the Czech Passenger Lists, may I inquire whether this also includes people from Slovakia? I'd appreciate an elucidation of this. Thank you. Pavel ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail.

If you are wishing for 1890 census for chicago relatives, you may want to look in the 1888, 1890, and 1892 Chicago Voters Registrations.

Carol, I think you have a good idea to research all possible spellings of the name. There could also be a hacek over the r which would give it the rz sound. For instance, I have found records for KOVARIK spelled every way imaginable: KOWARCHEK, KOWARSEK, KOWARTCHEK, KOWARCZIK, KOVAREK, KOVARSEK, etc.

Thank you all for your help. It's so nice to have all GGP's found at last. dolores desideri Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, Janecek, and Antos.

Thanks Joan, Frantisek/Franz Antos is one of the newly discovered members and I need to find Antonie Antos also. Please explain what the Chicago St. Vitus Index is? I wish we had the 1890 census.... I have my main cast of characters now and need to organize everything and continue on. dolores desideri Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, Janecek, and Antos. On May 7, 2006, at 4:27 PM, [email protected] wrote: > From: "Joan Peterson" <[email protected]> > Date: May 7, 2006 9:56:10 AM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Antos > > > Noticed in the Chicago St Vitus Index there are several Antos listed > from 1889 into 90's: > > Frantisek, Antonie, Josef, Eliska, Jiri, and Bozena. > > This is only the index to the bapt, confirmations, etc which are on > another film. I won't be searching it for a few weeks, however, if you > wld like me to jot down the info will be happy to do so just let me > know. Chicago may not be yr area, but one never knows, i.e., never > knew we had Vosejpka's in Minnesota and So Dakota! > > Joan Smat Peterson

Hello, My cousin, Pam, and I are trying to locate relatives of our great grandfather, Josef Michalek. He and his ancestors were from the area were German speaking inhabitants were expelled to Germany. Does anyone know of a site were we can get information (hopefully in English) Thank you, Mary from AR

Carol, BPL-TCSH also has the "Germans to America" volumes, so I could check those, too, if you don't have access to them. BPL has the PILI books, but we lost it on the Ancestry subscription. BUT.... our local LDS-FHL DOES have PILI on their Ancestry subsc. Yours may, too. I am going over there across town to the FHC Thursday 11 May for an Scots-Irish research class, so I could check if I have time. Yes, I have Fighting Scots and Irish blood in me, too, and sometimes it shows. ;) The reason I said "Bosch" is that it is a rather common German name, the medieval version of "Busch", cognate to English "Bush," French "Bosq," and Spanish "Bosque." A German sea captain or first mate might have just written down "Bosch." Anthony Carol Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: Anthony, Thank you very much for this info, and as not to impose on your valuable research time, I will make one last effort to search my local library for the additional Pili source you suggested, as well as the "Germans to America" volumes as I understand that some Bohemian individuals got listed there since they departed from that country, or might have lived there for even the very shortest of time before emigrating. This time when searching I will even scan through any and all names with beginning letters that sound the same, such as "K" vs "C" as I know the letters got interchanged (even if I remember having done some of this before). When I saw your "Bosch" for Brosch/Broz, I began wondering if I went far enough down the list to catch that spelling as well. So I'll just include all the "B's" in my search. If all fails, I'll search for "P's" or "V's" or some phonetically similar first letter as I've been use to reading phonetically spelled names in old German church records for the last three years or so. It is amazing to see how some names evolved for one spelling to another! Right now my genealogy pocketbook is limited for additional spending than the subscription I already have to Ancestry.com as it has and will continue costing a bit to have my various ancestors researched in the Czech Republic after I've found their towns of origin, so I will have to pass on that one for now. I recall the disappointment I felt at not finding more a couple years ago when I subscribed for the immigration records and spent lots of hours searching a WIDE VARIETY of soundex names. Thank you for your offer, and I will let you know if this future attempt fails to offer something more. In fact, I will let you know either way as if I find something I will be "bursting with joy" and want to share my good fortune anyway! It will probably take me awhile as one trip to the library will not provide enough time to do a thorough search. Trying to scan lists too fast, or tire my eyes by scanning over too many at once, may cause me to miss something - even as careful that I try to be. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Hubka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CZ] Baca check please Carol, Baca Volume III has just been revised in 2005 or '06, which implies that revisions of other volumes may follow. You want to know how to find the ship name? It is listed on Ancestry, sometimes with a link to a photo of the ship. It is in Baca as the underlined word following the port of entry, e.g., Baltimore, Main, Leipzig, Olbers, Bark Olbers, America, Lessing, etc. There is also PILI (Psgr. Imm. Lists Index) by P. William Filby, which I have not seen mentioned in these immigration and ships threads by anyone other than myself. It comes in about 25 volumes in book form at genealogy libraries, and is also included in some subscriptions of Ancestry.com. Unfortunately, it was recently removed from Ancestry's Library Edition. Also unfortunately, with the books, one must check from 5 to 20 volumes published every year since 1980, which can be time-consuming. There are 5-year supplements, though it is unclear to me whether these are complete summaries for the preceding 5 years. Ancestry's search engine, however, presumably searches all volumes in nano-seconds. FYI: In general, PILI refers the reader to other sources such as Baca or Rosicky, which one must then track down, but I have never failed to find a Czech ancestor of mine in PILI, both direct and collateral. Not all of the PILI sources, however, are very complete; some are, some are not. One still has to have at least some knowledge of German and Czech in order to surmise how German sea-captains and Anglo-American officials would butcher Slavic spellings. If you have no access to th above resources, please let me know, and the next time I am at BPL-TCSH&L, I will try to find some time to look up your Komrskas, Bosches, etc., but I will need more specific information on them. Anthony ====================================================== Carol Rogers wrote: Are there various versions of the different volumes of the Baca book? I've also spent quite some time looking for my Had and Broz/Brosch ancestors and remaining two Komrska brothers, but gave up on the Baca books as they didn't have anything. Should I be looking for a more recent version than what my library has? I don't have the name of the ship, however. Dolores, I was wondering how you got that information to know what ship to look for? I just have a year of emigration from census records. So I ordered a film for that year and found nothing. I also went through all the listing of passengers on the internet site for those years, as well as subscribed for one year to Ancestry.com's ship records. The only thing that subscription brought me was finding the Komrska parents (gggrfather) and five siblings - which I've since learned were "half" siblings. I was successful with finding my ggf Malecek in the Baca books, though, and lucked out in finding my ggrfather) Komrska - but I'm still missing two of his brothers as the whole family emigrated over a 5 year period. My ggrandparents Had and Broz came over as children, so the family was probably all together. Carol ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Anthony, Thank you very much for this info, and as not to impose on your valuable research time, I will make one last effort to search my local library for the additional Pili source you suggested, as well as the "Germans to America" volumes as I understand that some Bohemian individuals got listed there since they departed from that country, or might have lived there for even the very shortest of time before emigrating. This time when searching I will even scan through any and all names with beginning letters that sound the same, such as "K" vs "C" as I know the letters got interchanged (even if I remember having done some of this before). When I saw your "Bosch" for Brosch/Broz, I began wondering if I went far enough down the list to catch that spelling as well. So I'll just include all the "B's" in my search. If all fails, I'll search for "P's" or "V's" or some phonetically similar first letter as I've been use to reading phonetically spelled names in old German church records for the last three years or so. It is amazing to see how some names evolved for one spelling to another! Right now my genealogy pocketbook is limited for additional spending than the subscription I already have to Ancestry.com as it has and will continue costing a bit to have my various ancestors researched in the Czech Republic after I've found their towns of origin, so I will have to pass on that one for now. I recall the disappointment I felt at not finding more a couple years ago when I subscribed for the immigration records and spent lots of hours searching a WIDE VARIETY of soundex names. Thank you for your offer, and I will let you know if this future attempt fails to offer something more. In fact, I will let you know either way as if I find something I will be "bursting with joy" and want to share my good fortune anyway! It will probably take me awhile as one trip to the library will not provide enough time to do a thorough search. Trying to scan lists too fast, or tire my eyes by scanning over too many at once, may cause me to miss something - even as careful that I try to be. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Hubka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CZ] Baca check please Carol, Baca Volume III has just been revised in 2005 or '06, which implies that revisions of other volumes may follow. You want to know how to find the ship name? It is listed on Ancestry, sometimes with a link to a photo of the ship. It is in Baca as the underlined word following the port of entry, e.g., Baltimore, Main, Leipzig, Olbers, Bark Olbers, America, Lessing, etc. There is also PILI (Psgr. Imm. Lists Index) by P. William Filby, which I have not seen mentioned in these immigration and ships threads by anyone other than myself. It comes in about 25 volumes in book form at genealogy libraries, and is also included in some subscriptions of Ancestry.com. Unfortunately, it was recently removed from Ancestry's Library Edition. Also unfortunately, with the books, one must check from 5 to 20 volumes published every year since 1980, which can be time-consuming. There are 5-year supplements, though it is unclear to me whether these are complete summaries for the preceding 5 years. Ancestry's search engine, however, presumably searches all volumes in nano-seconds. FYI: In general, PILI refers the reader to other sources such as Baca or Rosicky, which one must then track down, but I have never failed to find a Czech ancestor of mine in PILI, both direct and collateral. Not all of the PILI sources, however, are very complete; some are, some are not. One still has to have at least some knowledge of German and Czech in order to surmise how German sea-captains and Anglo-American officials would butcher Slavic spellings. If you have no access to th above resources, please let me know, and the next time I am at BPL-TCSH&L, I will try to find some time to look up your Komrskas, Bosches, etc., but I will need more specific information on them. Anthony ====================================================== Carol Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: Are there various versions of the different volumes of the Baca book? I've also spent quite some time looking for my Had and Broz/Brosch ancestors and remaining two Komrska brothers, but gave up on the Baca books as they didn't have anything. Should I be looking for a more recent version than what my library has? I don't have the name of the ship, however. Dolores, I was wondering how you got that information to know what ship to look for? I just have a year of emigration from census records. So I ordered a film for that year and found nothing. I also went through all the listing of passengers on the internet site for those years, as well as subscribed for one year to Ancestry.com's ship records. The only thing that subscription brought me was finding the Komrska parents (gggrfather) and five siblings - which I've since learned were "half" siblings. I was successful with finding my ggf Malecek in the Baca books, though, and lucked out in finding my ggrfather) Komrska - but I'm still missing two of his brothers as the whole family emigrated over a 5 year period. My ggrandparents Had and Broz came over as children, so the family was probably all together. Carol

Noticed in the Chicago St Vitus Index there are several Antos listed from 1889 into 90's: Frantisek, Antonie, Josef, Eliska, Jiri, and Bozena. This is only the index to the bapt, confirmations, etc which are on another film. I won't be searching it for a few weeks, however, if you wld like me to jot down the info will be happy to do so just let me know. Chicago may not be yr area, but one never knows, i.e., never knew we had Vosejpka's in Minnesota and So Dakota! Joan Smat Peterson

Carol, Baca Volume III has just been revised in 2005 or '06, which implies that revisions of other volumes may follow. You want to know how to find the ship name? It is listed on Ancestry, sometimes with a link to a photo of the ship. It is in Baca as the underlined word following the port of entry, e.g., Baltimore, Main, Leipzig, Olbers, Bark Olbers, America, Lessing, etc. There is also PILI (Psgr. Imm. Lists Index) by P. William Filby, which I have not seen mentioned in these immigration and ships threads by anyone other than myself. It comes in about 25 volumes in book form at genealogy libraries, and is also included in some subscriptions of Ancestry.com. Unfortunately, it was recently removed from Ancestry's Library Edition. Also unfortunately, with the books, one must check from 5 to 20 volumes published every year since 1980, which can be time-consuming. There are 5-year supplements, though it is unclear to me whether these are complete summaries for the preceding 5 years. Ancestry's search engine, however, presumably searches all volumes in nano-seconds. FYI: In general, PILI refers the reader to other sources such as Baca or Rosicky, which one must then track down, but I have never failed to find a Czech ancestor of mine in PILI, both direct and collateral. Not all of the PILI sources, however, are very complete; some are, some are not. One still has to have at least some knowledge of German and Czech in order to surmise how German sea-captains and Anglo-American officials would butcher Slavic spellings. If you have no access to th above resources, please let me know, and the next time I am at BPL-TCSH&L, I will try to find some time to look up your Komrskas, Bosches, etc., but I will need more specific information on them. Anthony ====================================================== Carol Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: Are there various versions of the different volumes of the Baca book? I've also spent quite some time looking for my Had and Broz/Brosch ancestors and remaining two Komrska brothers, but gave up on the Baca books as they didn't have anything. Should I be looking for a more recent version than what my library has? I don't have the name of the ship, however. Dolores, I was wondering how you got that information to know what ship to look for? I just have a year of emigration from census records. So I ordered a film for that year and found nothing. I also went through all the listing of passengers on the internet site for those years, as well as subscribed for one year to Ancestry.com's ship records. The only thing that subscription brought me was finding the Komrska parents (gggrfather) and five siblings - which I've since learned were "half" siblings. I was successful with finding my ggf Malecek in the Baca books, though, and lucked out in finding my ggrfather) Komrska - but I'm still missing two of his brothers as the whole family emigrated over a 5 year period. My ggrandparents Had and Broz came over as children, so the family was probably all together. Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] Baca check please Hi Dolores, My Volume VI, page 16, has the following: ANTRO, Jan 43, Anna 34, Valers 21, Antonia 16, Franz 9, Felix 8, Prodeslady, Bohemia: Moravia, 23 December 1885. Please note, the name is listed as ANTRO, not ANTROS. Page 89 has the following: JANECEK, Voiteck 15, Antonia 9, Prodeslady, Bohemia; Moravia, 23 December 1885. Hope that helps. Paul L. Reeves Union City, California -------------- Original message -------------- From: dolores desideri > Would someone check Baca for Jan and Anna Antros, Voitech and Antonia > Janecek, and . The ship was Moravia, Dec. 1885 to New York. My library > has an old addition. > > > dolores desideri > Looking for: Desideri, Innocenti, Lupori, Lenzi, Priban, Preban, > Janecek, and Antos. > > > > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CZECH > ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== All matters pertaining to list administration are exclusively handled by the List Administrator. If you have personal problems, questions or suggestions about list mail send an email to the administrator. The subject is not appropriate for list discussion. ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. Read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Thank you for this information. I see there are two revised volumes listed, so I will return to the library and make sure that I've checked out all the proper volumes and not presume my Czech ancestors came through New York or possibly Baltimore. I do remember checking all the volumes that were there at my local library at a couple separate times, but nine seems like more than I searched. I guess Volumes III & VII are the only ones I can feel safe in eliminating as the years were past dates I'm looking for. Carol -----Original Message----- From: ETM [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CZ] Baca List Information CZECH PASSENGER LISTS The following is a listing of all the Czech Immigration Passenger Lists that have been published. The ports of arrival and dates covered are also shown. Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume I (Revised) Galveston 1848-1861, 1865-1871 New Orleans 1848-1879 Over 1000 more Czech names added Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume II Galveston 1896-1906 New Orleans 1879-1899 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume III Galveston 1907-1914 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume IV(Revised) New York 1847-1869 1525 Czech names added Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume V New York 1870-1880 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume VI New York 1881-1886 Galveston 1880-1886 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume VII New York 1887-1896 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume VIII Baltimore 1834-1879 Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volume IX Baltimore 1880-1899 All volumes are priced at $19.95 each postpaid in the USA. Additional postage is required for foreign orders. Please mail your orders to: Leo Baca, 1707 Woodcreek, Richardson, TX 75082. Make checks payable to Leo Baca. Email queries should be sent to: Leo Baca [email protected] ==== CZECH Mailing List ==== Please do not repost the whole digest when replying to mail.