Tom, you may have just broken through a family wall, if the LDS information is correct. Robert Cuthbertson of Strathaven was an ancestral uncle of mine, and a quarryman, but we've never had a record for any marriage or children. BUT if your Robert and Helen / Ellen actually had a daughter named "Margaret Tod" that was the name of my Robert's mother, from Kilmaurs! Our Robert Cuthbertson was born January 9, 1797 at Habbieauld farm, Kilmaurs Parish, to James Cuthbertson and his wife Margaret Tod. As I said, we've no confirmed information about any marriage or family for him, but our earliest family records list him as a "boss quarryman" at Strathaven. There is, of course, a big wrinkle... our Robert was living at Beith with his brother David's family at the time of the 1851 census... which calls into question the death date and the wife.... The LDS records are very helpful, and sometimes member submissions can be VERY wrong. The Scotland's People website of the National Archives of Scotland can help you confirm data, and view digitalized versions of original records, which should help confirm or disprove data. Besides records for Janet, I'd focus on confirming that "Margaret Tod Cuthbertson" was their child and Janet's sister, because that would be the strongest evidence in your list to indicate your Robert was the son of James and Mgt. T. Cuthbertson of Habbieauld. And, please, keep me posted! All the best, Ken Cuthbertson Albuquerque, NM In a message dated 1/26/2009 3:58:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Listers, I write from the State of Victoria, Australia. I am seeking further information on the family of my great great grandmother, Janet Cuthbertson. It is suspected that she had little education, and therefore all following spellings, and age calculations are approximate. Some jottings in the family state that she was born 31 May, 1830 at/near Strathaven Lanarkshire, Scotland, daughter of James Cuthbertson, who died at Thornibank (Thornliebank?), 3 September 1850, and his unidentified wife, who died at Pollockshaws on 7 January, 1852. Janet’s marriage certificate from 4 February 1856, on the Ballaarat Goldfield, states that she was 23, a spinster, a servant, born at Strathaven, Lanarkshire, Scotland, that her mother was Ellen Riddle, and that her father was Robert Cuthbertson, a quarryman. I know from another document that she already had an infant son, named Robert, probably born on 11 May 1855. I notice that at www.familysearch.org a Robert Cuthbertson marries a Helen Riddell at Glassford, Lanarkshire 2/2/1817 – info from a film. Given Janet’s accent, literacy, and the occasion, one suspects that Helen Riddell became Ellen Riddle on Janet’s marriage certificate. On the above website, LDS members have submitted that Robert and Helen had christened James 3/9/1817 at Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Margaret Tod, c.1827 …… Lanarkshire, William Brownli, 13/51834 at Glassford, and David, 16/3/1836 at Glassford. The ten year gap between the christening of James and Margaret is interesting. Janet is listed as a 23 year old on the passenger list for the “Storm Cloud” which arrived in Port Phillip Bay (for Geelong and Melbourne) in December1854 from the U.K. Also on board was one other Cuthbertson, a James, aged 37. Family lore has it that Janet emigrated with her brother (name unknown) but that she lost contact with him during the gold rushes (not difficult!) and that she never saw him again. One suspects from the shipping list, the name and the age, that the James on board was her brother. Janet named her children Robert, John Allison (or Ellison), David Maund, Alfred, Janet and Agnes. Her husband’s name was John Hastings. Janet died in the State of Victoria, Australia, in July, 1914, “aged 84”. I have not yet tried to search the 1841 and 1851 census records for Scotland to extend my knowledge of Janet and James, but could do so in due course. Thank you for reading this, Tom Woolman _________________________________________________________________ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3 Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahottag%3Achange&_t=757263783&_r=SEEK_tag line&_m=EXT ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

does anyone  have any Spiers  in your line? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 9:32 am Subject: Re: [CUTHBERTSON] James Cuthbertson & Helen Riddell (Ellen Riddle) m. 1817 Gl... Tom, you may have just broken through a family wall, if the LDS information s correct. obert Cuthbertson of Strathaven was an ancestral uncle of mine, and a uarryman, but we've never had a record for any marriage or children. BUT if our obert and Helen / Ellen actually had a daughter named "Margaret Tod" that as the name of my Robert's mother, from Kilmaurs! ur Robert Cuthbertson was born January 9, 1797 at Habbieauld farm, Kilmaurs arish, to James Cuthbertson and his wife Margaret Tod. As I said, we've no onfirmed information about any marriage or family for him, but our earliest amily records list him as a "boss quarryman" at Strathaven. here is, of course, a big wrinkle... our Robert was living at Beith with is brother David's family at the time of the 1851 census... which calls into uestion the death date and the wife.... he LDS records are very helpful, and sometimes member submissions can be ERY wrong. The Scotland's People website of the National Archives of Scotland can help you confirm data, and view digitalized versions of original ecords, which should help confirm or disprove data. Besides records for anet, I'd ocus on confirming that "Margar et Tod Cuthbertson" was their child and anet's sister, because that would be the strongest evidence in your list to ndicate your Robert was the son of James and Mgt. T. Cuthbertson of abbieauld. nd, please, keep me posted! ll the best, en Cuthbertson lbuquerque, NM n a message dated 1/26/2009 3:58:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: ello Listers, I write from the State of Victoria, Australia. I am seeking urther information on the family of my great great grandmother, Janet uthbertson. It is suspected that she ad little education, and therefore all following spellings, and age alculations are approximate. Some jottings in the family state that she was born 31 May, 830 at/near Strathaven Lanarkshire, Scotland, daughter of James Cuthbertson, ho died at Thornibank (Thornliebank?), 3 eptember 1850, and his unidentified wife, who died at Pollockshaws n 7 January, 1852. Janet’s marriage certificate from 4 February 1856, on the Ballaarat oldfield, states hat she was 23, a spinster, a servant, born at Strathaven, Lanarkshire, cotland, that her mother as Ellen Riddle, and that her father was Robert Cuthbertson, a quarryman. I now from another document that she already had an infant son, named Robert, robably born on 11 May 1855. notice that at www.familysearch.org Robert Cuthbertson marries a Helen Riddell at Glassford, Lanarkshire /2/1817 – info from a film. Given anet’s accent, literacy, and the=2 0occasion, one suspects that Helen Riddell ecame Ellen Riddle on Janet’s marriage certificate. On the above website, LDS members have submitted that Robert nd Helen had christened James 3/9/1817 t Kilmaurs, Ayrshire, Margaret Tod, c.1827 …… Lanarkshire, William Brownli, 3/51834 at Glassford, and David, 16/3/1836 t Glassford. The ten year gap between the christening of James and Margaret s nteresting. Janet is listed as a 23 year old on the passenger list for he “Storm Cloud” which arrived in Port Phillip Bay (for eelong and Melbourne) n December1854 from the U.K. lso on board was one other Cuthbertson, a James, aged 37. Family lore has it hat Janet emigrated with her brother (name unknown) but that she lost ontact ith him during the gold rushes (not difficult!) and that she never saw him gain. One suspects from the shipping list, the name and the age, that the ames n board was her brother. Janet named her children Robert, John Allison (or Ellison), avid Maund, Alfred, Janet and Agnes. Her husband’s name was John Hastings. Janet died in the State of Victoria, Australia, n July, 1914, “aged 84”. I have not yet tried to search the 1841 and 1851 census ecords for Scotland o extend my knowledge of Janet and James, but could do so in due course. Thank you for reading this, om Woolman ________________________________________________________________ eed a new place to rent, share or buy? 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