This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TmQ.2ACIB/2092.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I couldn't say with certainty. I couldn't find earlier censuses, with them as parents and children together. There is some evidence (both were in Cherokee Co., birth place of Herman's parents was in OH, for example, but nothing conclusive.)