Hello Oswaldo: Yes, that is my family, and as a matter of fact, I believe we had communicated about 5 years ago, and you were able to give me information on Elia; any new information on any of her children? Good to hear from you again! Rene -----Original Message----- From: oz hernandez [mailto:oswaldo1129@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:45 PM To: CUBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CUBA-L] FYI DNA Stuff Dear Mr. Castellanos: Are you related to the Castellanos of Camag|ey (Federico, etc.)? I know that the Castellanos who studied at LSU was. Respoectfully; Oswaldo Hernandez Campos Asheville, North Carolina Rene Castellanos <rene.castellanos2@gte.net> wrote:Very interesting, and it makes sense that the Y-DNA markers of your oldest known direct paternal ancestor from Galicia would show a strong relationship to the markers of the population inhabiting the British Isles, since the origin of this population migrated to the isles from the continental terra firme of Europe, and there are findings in scholarly works in physical anthropology on DNA studies done in the last few years that indicate a provenance for the Irish people in the early populations of northern Spain -- Celtic (Celtiberians), so nothing new here. Current anthtropologic data still postulate that modern man has its origin in continental Africa based on fosil record, and this origin can be trace through the mitochondrial DNA on the maternal line, and subsequent markers on the X-chromosome can indicate a migration pattern with subsequent major groupings with similar markers...hmmmmmm! Very general information, but interesting. Remember that Spain is a cul-de-sac, and population migrate due to different factors such as population pressures, wars and raids by "barbarians", famine, plagues, etc., and so the population of Spain changed constantly from the influx of migrating people moving westward until reaching the sea, then following the coast, southward sometimes crossing over to northern Africa, and other times crossing over to the isles to the north as sea farers -- and don't forget the constant raids by nordic seafaring tribes that flogged the coasts of ancient Spain...so the DNA study has confirmed what you already knew of your family provenance, ie. Celtiberic and not Visigothic...so far, it will be interesting to see what other group the other markers will point to. I too will like to partake in this study and contribute to the project, as I find it fascinating! Thank you Martha for sharing with us your family DNA findings, as it is always interesting to see how new technologies have a way of bringing to light more information to enrich our historical past -- looking forward to hear about your new findings in this area when you get them and if you wish to share again; as an anthropologist by academic formation, this study is of great interest to me. Wishing you a very happy New Year, I remain, Cordially yours, Rene Castellanos -----Original Message----- From: MARACAMAMA@aol.com [mailto:MARACAMAMA@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:20 AM To: CUBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CUBA-L] FYI DNA Stuff For those who are interested in the DNA aspect of genealogy, I got the first part of my tests back last night. I am still reeling with the results of the Y-DNA 12 markers (male lineage-the DNA sent was my brother's so we could get the most comprehensive information). "Be careful what you wish for" has always been my favorite dicho. It seems by Haplogroup and 12 marker match (we are waiting for the 24 and 37 marker tests to be ready, as well as the maternal DNA sample) that my paternal clan originated in the British Isles. We also have a 100% match to 4 individuals in the database, all of whom live in England. Now we proceed to try and "empatar" who the sailor was that went over to Spain and couldn't keep his britches on. :), as my own documentation shows my earliest known paternal ancestor to be from Lugo, Galicia. I may have to leave this list and go over to the Brits! Must get back to my tea and crumpets, but wanted to share this info with the group, so you can get an idea of how the service works (to make you crazier!). God save the queen! 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I thought it might be you, and I'm glad that you are. Let me inquire once again about Elia's "children." It's not going to be easy. Her daughter, who had probably married the best (cannot remember her name), was the one who lived in Camag�ey and was married to the American pilot who was a veteran of World War II. I believe that she died rather young of cancer (long before I left Cuba). I can't remember if it was Dulce who had married a Jewish guy, and lived in Mexico, but then, they didn't have children, I think that the best bet is going to be to attempt to locate "Lalin's" (Laudelino's) sister. I can't remember her name right now. Five months ago, due to the fact that I've been a diabetic since I was ten. I lost my left foot. My fault. I feel fine now. Let me know if I send you my "de la Torre/Sifontes" Puerto Principe/Camag�ey line, you might know any of my relatives. Hoping that you and your family have a great and prosperous 2005. Oswaldo F. Hernandez Rene Castellanos <rene.castellanos2@gte.net> wrote:Hello Oswaldo: Yes, that is my family, and as a matter of fact, I believe we had communicated about 5 years ago, and you were able to give me information on Elia; any new information on any of her children? Good to hear from you again! Rene -----Original Message----- From: oz hernandez [mailto:oswaldo1129@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:45 PM To: CUBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CUBA-L] FYI DNA Stuff Dear Mr. Castellanos: Are you related to the Castellanos of Camag|ey (Federico, etc.)? I know that the Castellanos who studied at LSU was. Respoectfully; Oswaldo Hernandez Campos Asheville, North Carolina Rene Castellanos wrote:Very interesting, and it makes sense that the Y-DNA markers of your oldest known direct paternal ancestor from Galicia would show a strong relationship to the markers of the population inhabiting the British Isles, since the origin of this population migrated to the isles from the continental terra firme of Europe, and there are findings in scholarly works in physical anthropology on DNA studies done in the last few years that indicate a provenance for the Irish people in the early populations of northern Spain -- Celtic (Celtiberians), so nothing new here. Current anthtropologic data still postulate that modern man has its origin in continental Africa based on fosil record, and this origin can be trace through the mitochondrial DNA on the maternal line, and subsequent markers on the X-chromosome can indicate a migration pattern with subsequent major groupings with similar markers...hmmmmmm! Very general information, but interesting. Remember that Spain is a cul-de-sac, and population migrate due to different factors such as population pressures, wars and raids by "barbarians", famine, plagues, etc., and so the population of Spain changed constantly from the influx of migrating people moving westward until reaching the sea, then following the coast, southward sometimes crossing over to northern Africa, and other times crossing over to the isles to the north as sea farers -- and don't forget the constant raids by nordic seafaring tribes that flogged the coasts of ancient Spain...so the DNA study has confirmed what you already knew of your family provenance, ie. Celtiberic and not Visigothic...so far, it will be interesting to see what other group the other markers will point to. I too will like to partake in this study and contribute to the project, as I find it fascinating! Thank you Martha for sharing with us your family DNA findings, as it is always interesting to see how new technologies have a way of bringing to light more information to enrich our historical past -- looking forward to hear about your new findings in this area when you get them and if you wish to share again; as an anthropologist by academic formation, this study is of great interest to me. Wishing you a very happy New Year, I remain, Cordially yours, Rene Castellanos -----Original Message----- From: MARACAMAMA@aol.com [mailto:MARACAMAMA@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:20 AM To: CUBA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CUBA-L] FYI DNA Stuff For those who are interested in the DNA aspect of genealogy, I got the first part of my tests back last night. I am still reeling with the results of the Y-DNA 12 markers (male lineage-the DNA sent was my brother's so we could get the most comprehensive information). "Be careful what you wish for" has always been my favorite dicho. It seems by Haplogroup and 12 marker match (we are waiting for the 24 and 37 marker tests to be ready, as well as the maternal DNA sample) that my paternal clan originated in the British Isles. We also have a 100% match to 4 individuals in the database, all of whom live in England. Now we proceed to try and "empatar" who the sailor was that went over to Spain and couldn't keep his britches on. :), as my own documentation shows my earliest known paternal ancestor to be from Lugo, Galicia. I may have to leave this list and go over to the Brits! Must get back to my tea and crumpets, but wanted to share this info with the group, so you can get an idea of how the service works (to make you crazier!). God save the queen! Martha Moreira Yunis Cuba DNA Project Administrator Email: _CubaDNAProject@aol.com_ (mailto:CubaDNAProject@aol.com) _www.ftdna.com_ (http://www.ftdna.com) (There is a charge to join this service) ==== CUBA Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Authentic messages from CUBA-L and CUBA-D NEVER include attachments. If you receive a message which appears to come from the list with an enclosed file DO NOT open the enclosed file!!!! ==== CUBA Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Authentic messages from CUBA-L and CUBA-D NEVER include attachments. If you receive a message which appears to come from the list with an enclosed file DO NOT open the enclosed file!!!! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ==== CUBA Mailing List ==== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Los mensajes autinticos de CUBA-L y CUBA-D NUNCA incluyen ficheros. 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