Thanks for the history lesson. My Hernandez branch (my direct line) is descended from the Canary Islands (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria) there is no genetic evidence for the Guanches being descended from Vikings on the contrary there was plenty of genetic evidence but in genetic research and in Isleños own genetic genealogy test that the native of the Canary Islands were related to the Berber groups of North Africa. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 4:41 AM, oz hernandez <oswaldo1129@yahoo.com> wrote: > Mike: > > To the best of my knowledge, the first geography book on > Cuba was written by a "de la Torre", who I am distantly > related to (in those days there were two "de la Torre" > families in Cuba, the Havana line (genetically), and the > Puerto Príncipe (later Camaguey line. In those days, > in the late 1600s I believe, but will check it out, these > two lines, were very close (first cousins), but once in > Cuba slowly drifted apart, and then they came very > close once again. I too was very surprised when > I first found out about Pinar del Rio being first called > Provincia ó Territorio de la Nueva Filipinas (ahora no > recuerdo exactamente si era provincia ó territorio, > I was also very surprised. Eventually, a very large > number of Spaniards from Islas Canarias migrated > to Cuba, and settled in the Provinces of Pinar del > Rio and Las Villas. A "bunch" of us have some > type of genealogical connection to the "Isleños". > By the way, don't laugh too much with this one, > but it took the "castellanos/Castillians" about two > centuries to conquer the Canary Islands. The > conquest was going on when Christopher > Columbus headed West to the Bahamas, Cuba, > Hispaniola, and the other islands of the > Caribbean. I am quite certain that the ferocious > resistance that the Canarians showed against > the Castellanos, the Galicians, the Asturians, > the Catalonians, and all other ethnic elements > of the Iberian invasion, was because the > Canarios were biologically descendants of, or > Vikings themselves. What the historical > evidence shows, is tha the Canary Islands > served for a period of about 400 years, as the > Viking trading center with some regions of > Africa. I used to think that the reason for so > many Canarians to be very light-skinned and > with blue eyes was because the Castillian/ > Iberian invasion had many Spaniards from > the northern region if Spain, but I now > "theorize" that it was due to the Scandi- > navian genetic influence of the Canarians. > > And to "top off" my genetic theories, if > we read carefully the writings of Alfonso > X of León, better known as Alfonso El > Sabio (the Wise One), we will have to con- > cude that in reality the origin of the Goths > (Visigoths) who invaded Spain after > making mincemeat of what was left of > the Western Roman Empire, and sacking > Rome in 500-something (Rome had truly > abused them), were not of Germanic > origin or stock, but originated instead > in a southern Sweden tribe, which > began a quasi-migration and basically > took control of the largest island in the > Baltic Sea, curiously enough, nowadays > kown as Gotland (can't remember of it's > one or two "t"s, and it is too late for me > to be looking. These Scandinavians, in > about 1600 decided to cross the Baltic, > and began conquering all the region > which now is part of the countries of > Lithuania, Estonia, Prussia, part of > Poland, and Belorussia....... > > I am falling sleep, so i'll have to make > contact with you at another time. > > Sín mas por el momento, quedo de > ti, atentamente. > > Oswaldo F. Hernández-Campos > Asheville, North Carolina > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> wrote: > > From: gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> > Subject: [CUBA] Re : Pinar del Rio = Nueva Filipinas? > To: cuba@rootsweb.com, CUBA@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:15 AM > > A great deal of my dally is also from Pinar and I've read a lot of it's > history and I've never come across this. I've also been to the Philippnes a > lot. > ========================================== > To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > ~~~~~~ > Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > ========================================== > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ========================================== > To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > ~~~~~~ > Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > ========================================== > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been away in the Scottish Highlands, without coverage and haven't been able to contribute to this interesting debate. I continue to doubt the theory about Filipinos in Pinar, or at least in great numbers. I will do more research and get back. Chinese, yes, and they did come from the Philippines, where there are millions of Chinese, but only in the 19th century, if I remember correctly. But not ethnic Filipinos. Never heard of it. Guane is thought to come from pre-Columbian Indians, and the sound is one one hears all over Cuba--Guanatabyes, for example. On the DNA makeup, your "Moroccan" is very, very likely to be Berber, most probably from the eight centuries of Moorish rule, or perhaps from the troops Hannibal brought over. You got these from Spain as well. Oz is right about the Guanches, BTW: also Berber. mike Sent from my iPad On 6 Aug 2011, at 09:22, Alex Hernandez <alexthoth@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the history lesson. My Hernandez branch (my direct line) is > descended from the Canary Islands (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria) there is no > genetic evidence for the Guanches being descended from Vikings on the > contrary there was plenty of genetic evidence but in genetic research and in > Isleños own genetic genealogy test that the native of the Canary Islands > were related to the Berber groups of North Africa. > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 4:41 AM, oz hernandez <oswaldo1129@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Mike: >> >> To the best of my knowledge, the first geography book on >> Cuba was written by a "de la Torre", who I am distantly >> related to (in those days there were two "de la Torre" >> families in Cuba, the Havana line (genetically), and the >> Puerto Príncipe (later Camaguey line. In those days, >> in the late 1600s I believe, but will check it out, these >> two lines, were very close (first cousins), but once in >> Cuba slowly drifted apart, and then they came very >> close once again. I too was very surprised when >> I first found out about Pinar del Rio being first called >> Provincia ó Territorio de la Nueva Filipinas (ahora no >> recuerdo exactamente si era provincia ó territorio, >> I was also very surprised. Eventually, a very large >> number of Spaniards from Islas Canarias migrated >> to Cuba, and settled in the Provinces of Pinar del >> Rio and Las Villas. A "bunch" of us have some >> type of genealogical connection to the "Isleños". >> By the way, don't laugh too much with this one, >> but it took the "castellanos/Castillians" about two >> centuries to conquer the Canary Islands. The >> conquest was going on when Christopher >> Columbus headed West to the Bahamas, Cuba, >> Hispaniola, and the other islands of the >> Caribbean. I am quite certain that the ferocious >> resistance that the Canarians showed against >> the Castellanos, the Galicians, the Asturians, >> the Catalonians, and all other ethnic elements >> of the Iberian invasion, was because the >> Canarios were biologically descendants of, or >> Vikings themselves. What the historical >> evidence shows, is tha the Canary Islands >> served for a period of about 400 years, as the >> Viking trading center with some regions of >> Africa. I used to think that the reason for so >> many Canarians to be very light-skinned and >> with blue eyes was because the Castillian/ >> Iberian invasion had many Spaniards from >> the northern region if Spain, but I now >> "theorize" that it was due to the Scandi- >> navian genetic influence of the Canarians. >> >> And to "top off" my genetic theories, if >> we read carefully the writings of Alfonso >> X of León, better known as Alfonso El >> Sabio (the Wise One), we will have to con- >> cude that in reality the origin of the Goths >> (Visigoths) who invaded Spain after >> making mincemeat of what was left of >> the Western Roman Empire, and sacking >> Rome in 500-something (Rome had truly >> abused them), were not of Germanic >> origin or stock, but originated instead >> in a southern Sweden tribe, which >> began a quasi-migration and basically >> took control of the largest island in the >> Baltic Sea, curiously enough, nowadays >> kown as Gotland (can't remember of it's >> one or two "t"s, and it is too late for me >> to be looking. These Scandinavians, in >> about 1600 decided to cross the Baltic, >> and began conquering all the region >> which now is part of the countries of >> Lithuania, Estonia, Prussia, part of >> Poland, and Belorussia....... >> >> I am falling sleep, so i'll have to make >> contact with you at another time. >> >> Sín mas por el momento, quedo de >> ti, atentamente. >> >> Oswaldo F. Hernández-Campos >> Asheville, North Carolina >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> >> From: gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> >> Subject: [CUBA] Re : Pinar del Rio = Nueva Filipinas? >> To: cuba@rootsweb.com, CUBA@rootsweb.com >> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:15 AM >> >> A great deal of my dally is also from Pinar and I've read a lot of it's >> history and I've never come across this. I've also been to the Philippnes a >> lot. >> ========================================== >> To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your >> answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. >> ~~~~~~ >> Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que >> conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. >> ========================================== >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> ========================================== >> To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your >> answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. >> ~~~~~~ >> Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que >> conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. >> ========================================== >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ========================================== > To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > ~~~~~~ > Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > ========================================== > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yeah, I agree the Moroccan signature in my DNA is definitely Berber, both from the Moorish ocupation of Spain and the Guanches. The Native American is surely Taino or Ciboney. On the Philippines signature. If it were Chinese it wuould've come our East Asian, but South East Asain-Pacific Islander is mostly likely Filipino. Alex On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Mike Gonzalez <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> wrote: > I've been away in the Scottish Highlands, without coverage and haven't been > able to contribute to this interesting debate. I continue to doubt the > theory about Filipinos in Pinar, or at least in great numbers. I will do > more research and get back. Chinese, yes, and they did come from the > Philippines, where there are millions of Chinese, but only in the 19th > century, if I remember correctly. But not ethnic Filipinos. Never heard of > it. Guane is thought to come from pre-Columbian Indians, and the sound is > one one hears all over Cuba--Guanatabyes, for example. > > On the DNA makeup, your "Moroccan" is very, very likely to be Berber, most > probably from the eight centuries of Moorish rule, or perhaps from the > troops Hannibal brought over. You got these from Spain as well. Oz is > right about the Guanches, BTW: also Berber. > > mike > > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Aug 2011, at 09:22, Alex Hernandez <alexthoth@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the history lesson. My Hernandez branch (my direct line) is > > descended from the Canary Islands (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria) there is > no > > genetic evidence for the Guanches being descended from Vikings on the > > contrary there was plenty of genetic evidence but in genetic research and > in > > Isleños own genetic genealogy test that the native of the Canary Islands > > were related to the Berber groups of North Africa. > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 4:41 AM, oz hernandez <oswaldo1129@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Mike: > >> > >> To the best of my knowledge, the first geography book on > >> Cuba was written by a "de la Torre", who I am distantly > >> related to (in those days there were two "de la Torre" > >> families in Cuba, the Havana line (genetically), and the > >> Puerto Príncipe (later Camaguey line. In those days, > >> in the late 1600s I believe, but will check it out, these > >> two lines, were very close (first cousins), but once in > >> Cuba slowly drifted apart, and then they came very > >> close once again. I too was very surprised when > >> I first found out about Pinar del Rio being first called > >> Provincia ó Territorio de la Nueva Filipinas (ahora no > >> recuerdo exactamente si era provincia ó territorio, > >> I was also very surprised. Eventually, a very large > >> number of Spaniards from Islas Canarias migrated > >> to Cuba, and settled in the Provinces of Pinar del > >> Rio and Las Villas. A "bunch" of us have some > >> type of genealogical connection to the "Isleños". > >> By the way, don't laugh too much with this one, > >> but it took the "castellanos/Castillians" about two > >> centuries to conquer the Canary Islands. The > >> conquest was going on when Christopher > >> Columbus headed West to the Bahamas, Cuba, > >> Hispaniola, and the other islands of the > >> Caribbean. I am quite certain that the ferocious > >> resistance that the Canarians showed against > >> the Castellanos, the Galicians, the Asturians, > >> the Catalonians, and all other ethnic elements > >> of the Iberian invasion, was because the > >> Canarios were biologically descendants of, or > >> Vikings themselves. What the historical > >> evidence shows, is tha the Canary Islands > >> served for a period of about 400 years, as the > >> Viking trading center with some regions of > >> Africa. I used to think that the reason for so > >> many Canarians to be very light-skinned and > >> with blue eyes was because the Castillian/ > >> Iberian invasion had many Spaniards from > >> the northern region if Spain, but I now > >> "theorize" that it was due to the Scandi- > >> navian genetic influence of the Canarians. > >> > >> And to "top off" my genetic theories, if > >> we read carefully the writings of Alfonso > >> X of León, better known as Alfonso El > >> Sabio (the Wise One), we will have to con- > >> cude that in reality the origin of the Goths > >> (Visigoths) who invaded Spain after > >> making mincemeat of what was left of > >> the Western Roman Empire, and sacking > >> Rome in 500-something (Rome had truly > >> abused them), were not of Germanic > >> origin or stock, but originated instead > >> in a southern Sweden tribe, which > >> began a quasi-migration and basically > >> took control of the largest island in the > >> Baltic Sea, curiously enough, nowadays > >> kown as Gotland (can't remember of it's > >> one or two "t"s, and it is too late for me > >> to be looking. These Scandinavians, in > >> about 1600 decided to cross the Baltic, > >> and began conquering all the region > >> which now is part of the countries of > >> Lithuania, Estonia, Prussia, part of > >> Poland, and Belorussia....... > >> > >> I am falling sleep, so i'll have to make > >> contact with you at another time. > >> > >> Sín mas por el momento, quedo de > >> ti, atentamente. > >> > >> Oswaldo F. Hernández-Campos > >> Asheville, North Carolina > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> wrote: > >> > >> From: gonzalez mike <cambeiro7@yahoo.fr> > >> Subject: [CUBA] Re : Pinar del Rio = Nueva Filipinas? > >> To: cuba@rootsweb.com, CUBA@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:15 AM > >> > >> A great deal of my dally is also from Pinar and I've read a lot of it's > >> history and I've never come across this. I've also been to the > Philippnes a > >> lot. > >> ========================================== > >> To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > >> answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > >> ~~~~~~ > >> Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > >> conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > >> ========================================== > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> ========================================== > >> To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > >> answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > >> ~~~~~~ > >> Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > >> conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > >> ========================================== > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ========================================== > > To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > > ~~~~~~ > > Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > > ========================================== > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ========================================== > To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your > answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. > ~~~~~~ > Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que > conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. > ========================================== > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message