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If a marriage occured before 1902 between a spaniard and a cuban.  Should I be looking for the certificate in Pares or try to get it from Cuba.

If your ancestors marriage was in Cuba but before 1902.  Should I look for Marriage certificates at the Pares website or try to get them from Cuba. ----- Original Message ---- From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: CUBA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 11:57:00 AM Subject: Re: [CUBA] buying a copy of birth certificate from Cuba ? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: conchita1021 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11022.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just a word of caution:  If you decide to buy the certificate, make sure you request a literal certificate which will have all the information as to parents and grandparents, etc.  A friend was trying to get his grand father's and was told they don't give out the literal copies any more, just the short version but who knows if that is true or not.  If it is to be used for legal issues such as claiming Spanish citizenship the certificate must have the MINREX seal which is the Ministry of External Affairs (Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores).  Try to search for other companies or individuals that offer the same services, maybe for less. Good luck! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ========================================== To reply to a message from the surname Bulletin Board you must post your answer on the Bulletin Board and not directly to the list. ~~~~~~ Para contestar un mensaje del tablero de pesquisas es necesario que conteste por medio del tablero y no directamente a la lista. ========================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CUBA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: conchita1021 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11022.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just a word of caution: If you decide to buy the certificate, make sure you request a literal certificate which will have all the information as to parents and grandparents, etc. A friend was trying to get his grand father's and was told they don't give out the literal copies any more, just the short version but who knows if that is true or not. If it is to be used for legal issues such as claiming Spanish citizenship the certificate must have the MINREX seal which is the Ministry of External Affairs (Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores). Try to search for other companies or individuals that offer the same services, maybe for less. Good luck! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LSeoane Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11022.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also would love to request multiple birth certificates from Cuba, but I have heard it is illegal for americans due to the trade embargo. Even if the embargo is lifted, I am not paying that kind of money for a copy of a birth certificate! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cubanita502000 Surnames: Larzabal,Garcia,Rodriguez,Torres Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11111/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I'm looking for anyone is related to or knows of any information on the following people. (My Great Grand Parents) Jose Tomas Larzabal-3/19/1909(Cuba)-5/23/1980(Fl) He was Married to: Juana Maria Garcia-1/17/1910(Cuba)-6/18/1999(Fl) (My Grand Parents) Jorge Larzabal-12/17/1935 born in Cuba. Now lives in Alabama He was married to: Rafaela Torres Rodriguez-10/23/19??-?/?/1966-67 She was from Oriente Cuba and died in La Habana.My mom is not sure what year she was born nor when she passed away because she was 4/5 yrs old.They had 4 kids together.And my grandmother had a daughter from a previous marriage.Her name is either Marita or Marieta we don't know her last name.My mom said that she should be in her mid to late 50's. My family came to the USA in 1970. I have asked my aunt and uncles and my mom to give me all the information that they have but it isn't much since they left Cuba when they were only kids.And my grandfather doesn't remember much. If there is anyone who knows anything or the names that I have mentioned sound familiar to you,Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time, Iris Gonzalez Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RomanToledoCasabona Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11022.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I saw that, and this Cuban says they can keep them!. I also tried the other end since i have close estimates on when my ancestors left Spain , and the few geneolgists I found are just as nuts as Castros people they wanted 95 euros per hour plus transportation and hotel costs to go get you a copy of a birth certificate. they must be thinking of those movie stars now showing up on the show "who do you think you are". guess my kids or grandkids can take it up 50 years from now, when they become interested IF they become interested, you would think maybe by then a few of those records might make it into digital records, nah were talking about Cuba and Spain , hell will freeze over first then the muslims and jews would make up and then maybe... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jazzyrichardson Surnames: Pinon, Chacon, Leroy, Guzman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11022.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Did anyone try CubaCityHall.com, it was the only place I could find and it seems pretty pricey. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: peachyrican Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/1143.1145/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for information about the Proenza family from Santiago de Cuba. The parents names I am researching are Olalla Proenza and Rodolfo Proenza. The other surnames that are possibly associated with this family are Ochoa, Chaconn and Arias. The other areas the family may have originated from are Delicia, Puerto de Padre, and Oriente de Cuba. Olalla and Rodolfo Proenza came to the United States in the 1950's. There are two children, Adela and Jose Miguel. I am trying to help my cousin solve a family mystery. Any information would be greatly appreicated. Hola, Estoy buscando información sobre la familia Proenza de Santiago de Cuba. Los nombres de los padres que estoy investigando son Olalla Proenza y Rodolfo Proenza. Los otros apellidos que son posiblemente asociadas a esta familia son Ochoa, Chaconn y Arias. Las otras áreas de la familia puede tener su origen se Delicia, Puerto de Padre, y el Oriente de Cuba. Olalla y Rodolfo Proenza llegó a Estados Unidos en la década de 1950. Hay dos hijos, Adela y José Miguel. Estoy tratando de ayudar a mi primo de encontrar a su familia desde Cuba. Cualquier información sería muy apreciada. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Reinier159 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/980.96.3657.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello A nice surprise to read your post, i dont know if is the same but my great grandfathers name was name eusebio my father told stories about him when i was a kid , he died when my father was a kid, he was a veteran of the independence war again spain and evidently marriage my great grad mother after he was an old man, or maybe could be his father because hondares tend to give the fahter's name to the first son but i doubt it because i hear about eusebio brothers manuel agustin, my great grandmother was known by yiyo and live to 96 years old, dont remember the name by my father remember how yiyo make eusebio life miserable with comlain and in one occation treatened him with his own "sable"{officer sword) and told about eusebio in his 80s used to make trouble and complain about everything saying in others words that the new cuban were a pussy"" not like the ones that fight for the independence, my great grandma live from his pention after castro came and cut it off(amazing eh?! ) she died in Regla,Havana wre they have a midle class confortable house with a running manantial(source of water) always cold as i remember as a kid. anyway you can write to reinier@Hondares.com, I was born in 1964,my father in 1941 my grandpa died in his 70s in 1993 and i have no birth info about yiyo,eusebio's wife and my great grandfather ,but yiyo eusebio ,my father and grand father are in the same mausoleum in regla's cemtery ,one of the oldest in cuba, Best Regards Reinier 2 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Reinier159 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/980.96.98.101.104/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, My name is Reinier Hondares, I lived in Cuba until 1995 i grow up only knowing my parents and grand parents as family, the famly esplanation always was that the hondares hondares family leave the country in 1960 soon after castro revolution , my grandfather couldn't leave because of my father oposition and being the only son there was no choice, my grandpa always regret it and spoke about how our family wasn't that small that we have a long history at least in cuba our ancestor come early in the colonization of cuba, hence i never new of any close spanish family which is rare in cuba , ifound out that our family came from murcia spain and almost all left in the 19 century the area which still have the hondares name, and the saint patron is agustin ,up until today we still producing agustin hondares without knowing why until several years ago i found the conection...Any way my grand father spoke of an uncle name mercedes that when to leave to the "north" and that was missed,! and send letters, if you feel that could share any knowledge about mercedes with us i will apreciate it, My Best Regards You can write @ Reinier@Hondares.com Reinier Check www.hondares.com , Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: donderiz Surnames: Guim Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11110/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Busco datos relacionados con el apellido Guim, exactamente con Doña Rosa Guim, madre de Rafaela Gonzalez Guim Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: donderiz Surnames: donderis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11109/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Busco datos sobre Modesto Donderis Carmona quien emigró a Cuba desde Valencia (?) España Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mario63nj1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/1143.1144.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I read somewhere that there was a large immigration to Cuba from the Canary Iaslands in the early to mid 1800's. I will look for this information and post it. I was told my great-grandfather was from the Canary Islands, but I haven't found any proof yet. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rthie2002 Surnames: Nabarro de la Rosa, Velazque Gonzalez, Morell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11108/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm looking for any info anyone may have about the aforementioned surnames. My maternal grandparents were: Zofia Nabarro de la Rosa Domingo Velazque Gonzalez My father's last name is Morell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: YolaRod Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/1143.1144.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am also told that my family may have emigrated to Cuba from the Canary Islands - maybe in the 1700s or early 1800s. It seems that many came from the Canary Islands. If anyone finds a research link or genealogy club in the Canary Islands - ideally they've placed passenger ship lists online! - then please let me know! Many thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mproenza78 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/1143.1144.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi, my father is Hector Proenza his fathers name was Aldofo Proenza and i believe he had other sibling..He also had 10 children 5 from one marriage and 5 from another marriage. He died in Cuba when he was in his 60's. His children and current wife moved to New Jersey except for one son who stayed in Florida. I am just starting to do research about my family tree. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rosetoranzo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11107/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I'm looking for any information on my dad's family. My grandfather's name is Ramon Toranzo and my grandmother is Alba Betancourt. They came to the United States in 1959, so not many of the records show on this site. After that the trail mostly goes cold. I've always been told the Toranzos came from Las Tunas, and before that Italy, but I don't know how true that is. I'm trying to find my great grandfather's name, and maybe even his dad's? I can't seem to find anything under Celiano Toranzo, which is what I've been told his name was. Not sure if that's the proper spelling... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EProenza Surnames: Proenza Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/1143.1144.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think you may be on the right path I was told the family came from the Canary Islands also. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EProenza Surnames: Proenza Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.cuba.general/11012.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was born in the states my father was born in Oriente in Guantanamo. I don't know where my grandfather was born but do know he passed away in 1981in cuba of Cancer of the throat and he was in his late 80's at the time. I was told once that his mother's name was Juana Batista but honestly not even sure about that. My Grandfather name was Miguel Angel Proenza Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.