I am trying to figure out how to crumble this brick wall. Does anyone have any hints - Jabez Holmes, b abt 1748, son of Samuel Holmes and Lucretia Bill - married Lydia Harris, b. abt 1754, daughter of Ephraim Harris and Elizabeth Harris. Their daughter HANNAH CHAPMAN - she is my wall. Supposedly she married a Chapman - right now I am leaning towards him being Jason Chapman, son of Alpheus and Martha Holmes. The Chapman line is not well documented - mostly info comes from A History of Montville by Henry A. Baker, which is not rock steady. So I think I need to attack from the Holmes end - and can't figure out who MARTHA HOLMES is. As far as I am concerned, the Mayflower Quarterly article about Samuel Holmes, the Messenger, by Margaret Harris Stover, stopped one or two generations too soon - right at my brick wall. Ms. Stover, if you are out there, help! Thanks, Ann Marr

Ann Marr: I hope the following will be helpful. Since you have sent this query to CTNEWLON, I shall write of the Harris Family of that area. I hope that some of them will match. My 6GGrandfather, John Gallup III md. Elizabeth Harris b. Feb. 8, 1654, Ipswich, MA ad daughter of Thomas & Martha (Lake) Harris. Since John III is son of John II & Hannah (Lake), Gallup, they are most likely first cousins. John II Gallop/Gallup, son of John (1-1) and Christobel (Brushett) Gallop b.1615 or earlier Bridport, England; bapt, Jan 25, 2630 St. Mary's, Bridport, Dorsetshire, England; d. Dec 19, 1675 South Kingston, RI; m. 1643 Poston Mas to Hannah Lake bapt. Mar 3, 1643 North Benflett, England daughter of Johm and Mary (Read) Lake. Hannah came to this country, arriving Oct 6, 1635, on the ship Abigail, with her sister Martha, and her widowed mother. On this same voyage Elizabeth Reade Winthrop, sister of Margaret and wife of John Winthrop, Jr. returned to this country. John came to this country on the ship Griffin with his mother, brother and sister Joan, arriving at Boston on Sep, 1633. John II annah (Lake) Gallup had a large family. As I said before, I descend from John III, his brother BenAdam, and a sister Christorbel, who was named for her Grandmother Christobell Gallop, wife of John I Gallop. The daughter, Christobel md. Peter Crary of Northumberhand Co., England and their daughter Christobel md Ebenezer Harris of Plainfield, Conn. (All of above information is from "GALLUP-Genealogy - 1987" by the Gallup Family Association, IN. ***************** Try New England Historic Genalogical Society (even if you don't know who your HARRIS Family is! http://www.newenglandancestors.org/ Popular Databases: 1) Cemetery Transcriptions; 2) Massachutessets Vital Records 1641 to 1910; 3) Massachutessets Vital Rcords to 1850; 4) The Great Migrations Begin: Immagrants to New England 1620-1633, Vol I - III;**** 5) The Registar 1837- 1994; 6) The Search of Missing Friends Irish Immagrant The Great Migrations Begin: Immagrants to New England 1620-1633, Vol I - III - I own this set!: Volume II ( I briefed these from here on.) pp 725 - 728: John Gallop b. 1630 Bridposrt Dorsetshire, referrenced to 1966 book by Darwin C. Gallup and Josephine Middleton Peck: Gallup Genealogy: Gallop, Galloupe, Galloupe, Gallupe; pp 864-866: John Harris m. Elizabeth ________; 1. Anna m.Maverick 2. John Harris md. 1, Bridget, md 2, Rowley 24 October 1677 Elizabeth (Rowlandson) Wells; 3/ Alice ________ survieved him. *** 3. Thomas b. abt 1618 md. Ipswich 1647 Martha Lake. 4. William 5. Anthony 6. Daniel All of these have reference to: Bethia Harris -- appear to be ancesoral files. (The only reliable account of this family is in Walter Goodwin Davis, "The Ancestry of Bethia Harris ..........[Portland Maine, 1934] pp 3-34. Volume III pp 1565 - 1567: Thomas Read, s/o Edmund & Elizabeth (Cooke) Reade {Bethia Harris Anc 74) Salem.Thomas Read through his sister, Elizabeth, he was connected to the jamily of John Winthrop Jr -- "loving kinsman" Thomas Read found in Walte Goodwin Davis, 1748-1833, References "The Ancestryof Bethia Harris, Wife of Dudley Wildes of Tosfield, Massachusetts (Portland 1934). pp 2038 - 2042 John Winthrop (SR). Governor of Massachuesetts Bay, 1630-1633, 1637-1639, 1642-1643, 1646- 1648 ------(more). Son of Adam and Anne (Browne) Winthrop First wife: Mary Forth of Great Stambridge, Essex. Large Family oncluding John Winthrop, Jr born in Groton 1605/06. John Winthrop (JR) b. Groton qw February 12 1605/6; m. (1) Groton 8 February 1603/1 Martha Fones; and (2) St. Matthews, Friday Street, London, 6 July 1635 Elizabeth Reade [NEHGR 88:301; Bethia Harris Anc 75]. Elizabeth Reade (2nd wife, in 1635) [Ref NEHGR 88:391, Bethia Harris Anc 75..] Just remember that there were lots of Harris cousin -- the book did list some of them. Violet Moore Guy 10/08/2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Marr794@aol.com> To: <CTNEWLON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [CTNEWLON-L] Re: Chapman, Holmes and Harris > > I am trying to figure out how to crumble this brick wall. Does anyone have > any hints - Jabez Holmes, b abt 1748, son of Samuel Holmes and Lucretia > Bill - > married Lydia Harris, b. abt 1754, daughter of Ephraim Harris and > Elizabeth > Harris. Their daughter HANNAH CHAPMAN - she is my wall. Supposedly she > married > a Chapman - right now I am leaning towards him being Jason Chapman, son > of > Alpheus and Martha Holmes. The Chapman line is not well documented - > mostly > info comes from A History of Montville by Henry A. Baker, which is not > rock > steady. So I think I need to attack from the Holmes end - and can't > figure out > who MARTHA HOLMES is. > > As far as I am concerned, the Mayflower Quarterly article about Samuel > Holmes, the Messenger, by Margaret Harris Stover, stopped one or two > generations > too soon - right at my brick wall. Ms. Stover, if you are out there, help! > > Thanks, Ann Marr > > > > ==== CTNEWLON Mailing List ==== > New London Co GenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctnewlon/ > Archived List Messages: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CTNEWLON-L/ > Create yourself a user name and password, and search! > >