Hi All, I am getting very disenchanted with CT Vital Record offices. You may recall that I had inquired of the list as to how long New Haven takes to respond to a request. Well, I finally heard from them. One, they found no record of and changed the "copy fee" to "research fee". The other one I had requested was for a Marietta (Bassett) Clark who d. in New Haven in 1881. They sent me Mary Emma Clark, who d. 1894. The maiden name looks like Chipman. A few months earlier I went through this same thing with the State Death Index. I had requested a death record for William E. Patterson, b. New Haven, 1845-1850, d. 1896 or later. They sent me William Peters, d. Meriden, June 1898, age 65, making him b. 1833. I have been dealing with CT cities and small towns for a good many years and have never had a problem. They have either sent what I asked for or notified me that they didn't have any record. Is this a new policy for out of state people? The state already charges us triple what they charge residents. As we have all noticed with Social Security, NARA, online subscriptions, etc.; genealogy is big business! I would advise anyone contacting the Death Index to not send money in advance. They will send the information but not the certificate. If you get the correct information, you can then order the d.c. from the proper town. June

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Kathi - I only have the census subscription, but was just able to get in. Robin List Administrator CTNEWHAV (New Haven County, Connecticut) KRUPA surname

Does anyone know what is going on with Genealogy.com? I have tried to access this paid web site for more than one week. The message says it is down for maintenance and check back in a few hours. I have a paid subscription to this site! Kathi

Replying to Darline Fowler Smith re: Fowler name in Guilford, CT I have a Eunice Fowler in that area married to Phinneas Goodrich. I went to Rootsweb.com and scroled down and clicked on World Connect where I filled in their name (not sure which one). I have come up with a long list of Fowlers. Please let me know if this is your family? Libby (Van Slyke) Leknes

If you subscribe to Rootsweb Review, you can just delete this...I am passing along information that appeared in this week's mailing. If you are an AOLer, please read on. If you belong to another ISP, you may also want to read on, as the topic of what to do if you suddenly stop receiving Rootsweb mail is addressed. Oh, and a quick thank you to whomever posted the news that we can get onto Heritage Quest with our CT library card number... I love it! >From the Rootsweb Review: AOLers and RootsWeb: New List and Some Tips Since AOL subscribers make up a large percentage of our mailing list members, RootsWeb has created a new mailing list that is being announced today. The mailing list is named AOLers-RootsWeb. It is to assist AOL users with questions related to their use of the RootsWeb mailing lists. Hopefully this new resource will help to forestall any future difficulties from arising between AOL and the RootsWeb mailing lists. The new list may also prove helpful to RootsWeb list administrators who are not AOL subscribers in answering questions for their list members who do use AOL. It will provide a place to direct AOL users where they can obtain accurate up-to-date information and assistance with RootsWeb mailing list issues that are specific and unique to AOL users. You will find this new mailing list categorized on the mailing list webpage at http://lists.rootsweb.com under OTHER/RootsWeb Support/ The direct link is: [This is a 2-line URL; copy and paste carefully]: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/ AOLers-RootsWeb.html During the past week or so RootsWeb mailing list subscribers who use AOL (America Online) as their ISP (Internet Service Provider) to receive list mail experienced a disruption of service that lasted several days. Family history researchers, who are often addicted to their daily "fix" of mail from their favorite RootsWeb lists, began sending e-mails to their lists in an attempt to ascertain whether or not the lists were working, for some, alarm set in. Don't panic if RootsWeb's list mail doesn't appear to be reaching your mailbox as it normally should. Instead, do the following: 1. Check the HelpDesk's yellow announcement box for news of any technical problems at RootsWeb or with your ISP's delivery of list mail from RootsWeb. http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ or click on HELP tab at the top of any RootsWeb page. 2. Check your currently subscribed lists here: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ or click on the PASSWORDS tab at the top of any RootsWeb page. 3. Check the threaded mailing list archives to view the current month/year messages for your lists at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ 4. Contact the list administrator for help or information by writing to: LISTNAME-admin@rootsweb.com (replace the word LISTNAME with the actual name of the list -- using no -L or -D). NOTE: If there is a general problem involving RootsWeb mail delivery to a specific ISP and the list administrator to whom you are writing also uses the same ISP, he/she probably will not receive your inquiry for the duration of the problem with that ISP. 5. Contact your ISP's tech support representative and explain that RootsWeb list mail is not spam and this is e-mail you wish to receive. Enlist the support of your ISP in resolving the matter. Internet Service Providers should be more than willing to assist you -- their paying customer -- so that you are able to receive the mail you want. Here is what NOT to do if you suspect you are not receiving your mailing list messages: 1. Do not send repeated messages to the list asking if the list is working or if anyone has received your message. 2. Do not send any "TESTING" messages to a list. Remember that just because you are not receiving a message you have sent to the list doesn't mean that other list subscribers are not seeing your repeated messages and becoming annoyed by them. The mailing lists are for genealogical research for a specific subject and not for test messages. Use the above guidelines instead to help resolve any non- receipt of mail problems. You will find guidelines concerning non-receipt of RootsWeb list mail in a recent issue of the RootsWeb Review. You might want to print out this information and save for handy reference. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/20040107.txt Robin List Administrator CTNEWHAV (New Haven County, Connecticut) KRUPA surname

I am researching the Fowler line in connection with the Coan and Bartlett lines of North Guilford/Guilford, CT. Other surnames that enter in are Chittenden, Cruttendon, etc., with various spellings. There are plenty more, but my files are for a couple of weeks inaccessible. The Bartlett line came on the Queen Anne in 1623 to MA, and the Coan line apparently came in the early 1700's to America. My ggrandfather, Samuel Coan Bartlett, was born in North Guilford, CT, in 1844. Frances

I just now made the connection between your search and where you were starting your search from - Ohio. That makes complete sense. Remember way back then Ohio was part of CT territory. Many CTers made their way to Ohio for land and opportunity. So, I think youre on the right track. -Grace > Hi Grace, > > Thank you for a nice quick answer and then the Talcott site. I was so > excited, I kept seeing names that I recognized, but never found the > ancestors that I already have, completely documented, descending from my > GGrandfather Ezra Lonzo Fowler, bn 1842, Willoughby, Lake County, Ohio going > through his family to his death and all of his children and their > descendants. I would have bet money I would find the ancestors I am > looking for in that list. > > Ezra named his first son George A. Fowler, and the names Ezra, Charles, > Robert, William, David, Edward run through all the families. > > Ezra maintained in all census records that "his father was born in NY and > his mother was "born at sea" coming from Scotland. > > I looked in New Haven, CT on a tip because I know children and census > enumerators often make mistakes on "places of birth". > > I will go back and look some more, but right now, I am discouraged. > > Where can I get the Barbour Records for Guilford? I have Ancestry.com. > > Thanks so much, > > Darline Fowler Smith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grace Coffman" <gcoffman@alltel.net> > To: <CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] Fowler surname........... > > > > > > Hi Darline, > > > > The Fowler name is huge in and around the area, I myself have a ton of > > Fowler names in my database (that i cant get to until I get my new copy of > > FTM). What are your names? Im trying to find the Fowler internet pages I > > have run into but cant right quick, when I do I will send them along. > > > > Just to give you an idea, there are 12 Fowler pages in the Barbour Records > > for Guilford. Branford has 2 pages. > > > > -Grace > > > > > > > Hello , just found information that strongly indicates my Fowler line in > > the early 1800's, 1810 thru 1840, may have been residents of New Haven, > > Guilford, CT. > > > > > > Anyone researching the Fowler families in New Haven, CT? Would like to > > hear from you. > > > > > > Darline Fowler Smith > > > > > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > > > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > > > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > > > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Robin, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <CTNewHavenCounty@aol.com>. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Seeking information on 4 McCreary sisters that graduated from a Hartford highschool, which one is unknown. They are; Vina McCreary, class of 1936 Vinal McCreary, class of 1938, d. Jan 1979, in Wolcott, New Haven, Conn., unmarried SSDI Della McCreary, class of 1943 Victoria McCreary, class of 1945 The dates that I have shown would be +/- one year based on 1930 census of the 12th district, block 1294, Bridgeport, Conn. These cousins could possibly still be living, and I'm urgently seeking them, because I'm not getting any younger either. Any help in locating them would be deeply appreciated. John C. Hall, Petaluma, California

Hi Grace, Thank you for a nice quick answer and then the Talcott site. I was so excited, I kept seeing names that I recognized, but never found the ancestors that I already have, completely documented, descending from my GGrandfather Ezra Lonzo Fowler, bn 1842, Willoughby, Lake County, Ohio going through his family to his death and all of his children and their descendants. I would have bet money I would find the ancestors I am looking for in that list. Ezra named his first son George A. Fowler, and the names Ezra, Charles, Robert, William, David, Edward run through all the families. Ezra maintained in all census records that "his father was born in NY and his mother was "born at sea" coming from Scotland. I looked in New Haven, CT on a tip because I know children and census enumerators often make mistakes on "places of birth". I will go back and look some more, but right now, I am discouraged. Where can I get the Barbour Records for Guilford? I have Ancestry.com. Thanks so much, Darline Fowler Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grace Coffman" <gcoffman@alltel.net> To: <CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] Fowler surname........... > > Hi Darline, > > The Fowler name is huge in and around the area, I myself have a ton of > Fowler names in my database (that i cant get to until I get my new copy of > FTM). What are your names? Im trying to find the Fowler internet pages I > have run into but cant right quick, when I do I will send them along. > > Just to give you an idea, there are 12 Fowler pages in the Barbour Records > for Guilford. Branford has 2 pages. > > -Grace > > > > Hello , just found information that strongly indicates my Fowler line in > the early 1800's, 1810 thru 1840, may have been residents of New Haven, > Guilford, CT. > > > > Anyone researching the Fowler families in New Haven, CT? Would like to > hear from you. > > > > Darline Fowler Smith > > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In case some of you havent seen this site yet, its one of the most amazing genelaogy sites I have seen in a long time in terms of databases and information. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ Also, let me draw your attention to this Branford page as well: http://members.aol.com/dtrofatter/genweb.htm Here too is my GenWeb page for Branford: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcbranf/index.html North Branford: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctcnbran/index.html East Haven: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctceasth/index.html

http://hometown.aol.com/wtgmike/genealogy/talcott.html Here ya go! -Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grace Coffman" <gcoffman@alltel.net> To: <CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] Fowler surname........... > > Hi Darline, > > The Fowler name is huge in and around the area, I myself have a ton of > Fowler names in my database (that i cant get to until I get my new copy of > FTM). What are your names? Im trying to find the Fowler internet pages I > have run into but cant right quick, when I do I will send them along. > > Just to give you an idea, there are 12 Fowler pages in the Barbour Records > for Guilford. Branford has 2 pages. > > -Grace > > > > Hello , just found information that strongly indicates my Fowler line in > the early 1800's, 1810 thru 1840, may have been residents of New Haven, > Guilford, CT. > > > > Anyone researching the Fowler families in New Haven, CT? Would like to > hear from you. > > > > Darline Fowler Smith > > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Darline, The Fowler name is huge in and around the area, I myself have a ton of Fowler names in my database (that i cant get to until I get my new copy of FTM). What are your names? Im trying to find the Fowler internet pages I have run into but cant right quick, when I do I will send them along. Just to give you an idea, there are 12 Fowler pages in the Barbour Records for Guilford. Branford has 2 pages. -Grace > Hello , just found information that strongly indicates my Fowler line in the early 1800's, 1810 thru 1840, may have been residents of New Haven, Guilford, CT. > > Anyone researching the Fowler families in New Haven, CT? Would like to hear from you. > > Darline Fowler Smith > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello , just found information that strongly indicates my Fowler line in the early 1800's, 1810 thru 1840, may have been residents of New Haven, Guilford, CT. Anyone researching the Fowler families in New Haven, CT? Would like to hear from you. Darline Fowler Smith

Mary Ann Evarts was one of three wives of James Sherman Cowell. They are buried in the East Side (or maybe West Side, I visited it years ago) burial ground in Woodbridge, Conn. Believe, but no proof, James family may have come from Orange, Conn. Would love to hear from anyone related to James Sherman Cowell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@hypernet.com> To: <CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: [CTNEWHAV] My most elusive ancestor, Jerusha____ > > I would like to find the maiden name and parents of Jerusha, who married > Felix MEIGS (1735-1803) probably some time i the mid 1750s. Felix was from > the Guilford CT area but I have not been able to find any record of the > marriage or of Jerusha's maiden name. > > It has been suggested that she may have been an EVARTS, but I have not been > able to document this. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Edie in Maine > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the New Haven County, CT discussion list, send them to > CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I would like to get on the list of people requesting "lookups" from these records, as it's not convenient for the one doing the 'looking' to make multiple trips. I'm searching for Caesare (Chester) Minuit (Minuto), his wife, Celestina, and any children. They would be in the records between -1890 and 1927+. I would be glad to reimburse the costs of access, mailing, etc.. Pat Harper, harpat3689@aol.com

I FIND, New Haven City Directories as follows: 1894 directory, Henry Hahn, grocer meat & fish market 1327 Chapel h 1939 Chapel 1896 dir, grocer, meat & fish mkt, 1327 Chapel; home 205 Edgewood 1897 dir., grocer, meat & fish mkt, 1327 Chapel, h. 241 Sherman Ave. 1899, same 1900, same; however, a second store @ 103 Dwight 1907, same Can anyone learn who this Henry Hahn is? If he died after 1907? I would like to find my Henry Hahn b. abt 1859 (probably New Haven), son of George M. and Dorothea Hahn. Gail Hahn Hutchcraft ladybug@arends-sons.com Ford County, Il volunteer. Many thanks - and I will cover your costs of copying or postage.

Thanks for the response, Dow. I am afraid I can't help with the Ranslow name....I checked some of my own resources and did not find any info. Hopefully, someone else can help you, with the name and more data on the voter requirements. Also, many thanks for the Regan info....now it makes me wonder just who the heck were all these Regan's? I will certainly check into it. Good Luck and have fun! Margaret Dow <dow.graham@cox.net> wrote: I found it under the newspaper collection at ancestry.com. Here is some of my Ranslow line: George Washington Ranslow + Emmeline R. Leonard > Louis Clifford Ranslow + Mary Lynn > Edward James Ranslow + Annie Laura Gillette > Clinton Henry Ranslow + Pearl Lucille Hallock. Based on census reports the Clifford mentioned in the article was brother to Edward James and they were born in Massachusetts. I was wondering knowing what requirements to become a voter might tell me about him and by default the family. As far as the surname REGAN a quick search returned 314 matches in the databases for the following newspapers: Bridgeport Post, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 59; Bridgeport Sunday Post (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 18; Bridgeport Sunday Post, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 11; Bridgeport Telegram, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 203 and Naugatuck Daily News (Naugatuck, Connecticut) 23. Dow -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Davis [mailto:marbence2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 AM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] ELECTOR ROLLS Hello Dow, I don't know all the requirements for a voter but I am pretty sure being a citizen was one. I say this because many immigrants were in Naugatuck at that time and I am sure being naturalized would be a factor. Having said that, may I ask for a lookup on the list? Or perhaps you could tell us how to find it. I am looking for information on Edward, Thomas, or Patrick Regan (sometimes spelled Reagan). I would appreciate any assistance. Thank you, Margaret in NV Dow wrote:I found this article in the Naugatuck newspaper for October 22 1898. "NEW VOTERS. Sixty-nine Were Made Yesterday by the Selectmen and Town Clerk. The selectmen and town clerk held a meeting yesterday for the purpose of making new voters. Out of the 72 applications only three were rejected. The names of the 69 voters made are as follows:......Clifford Ran slow...." Can anyone tell me the criteria for being eligible to vote in Connecticut in the late 1800s? Thanks Dow Norfolk, VA Researching my Ranslow & Hallock lines ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Need to reach Robin, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at . ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Need to reach Robin, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at . ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== To post messages to the New Haven County, CT discussion list, send them to CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

I found it under the newspaper collection at ancestry.com. Here is some of my Ranslow line: George Washington Ranslow + Emmeline R. Leonard > Louis Clifford Ranslow + Mary Lynn > Edward James Ranslow + Annie Laura Gillette > Clinton Henry Ranslow + Pearl Lucille Hallock. Based on census reports the Clifford mentioned in the article was brother to Edward James and they were born in Massachusetts. I was wondering knowing what requirements to become a voter might tell me about him and by default the family. As far as the surname REGAN a quick search returned 314 matches in the databases for the following newspapers: Bridgeport Post, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 59; Bridgeport Sunday Post (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 18; Bridgeport Sunday Post, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 11; Bridgeport Telegram, The (Bridgeport, Connecticut) 203 and Naugatuck Daily News (Naugatuck, Connecticut) 23. Dow -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Davis [mailto:marbence2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:32 AM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] ELECTOR ROLLS Hello Dow, I don't know all the requirements for a voter but I am pretty sure being a citizen was one. I say this because many immigrants were in Naugatuck at that time and I am sure being naturalized would be a factor. Having said that, may I ask for a lookup on the list? Or perhaps you could tell us how to find it. I am looking for information on Edward, Thomas, or Patrick Regan (sometimes spelled Reagan). I would appreciate any assistance. Thank you, Margaret in NV Dow <dow.graham@cox.net> wrote:I found this article in the Naugatuck newspaper for October 22 1898. "NEW VOTERS. Sixty-nine Were Made Yesterday by the Selectmen and Town Clerk. The selectmen and town clerk held a meeting yesterday for the purpose of making new voters. Out of the 72 applications only three were rejected. The names of the 69 voters made are as follows:......Clifford Ran slow...." Can anyone tell me the criteria for being eligible to vote in Connecticut in the late 1800s? Thanks Dow Norfolk, VA Researching my Ranslow & Hallock lines ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Need to reach Robin, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at . ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Need to reach Robin, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <CTNewHavenCounty@aol.com>. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237