Thanks Steve & MaryLynn, I will e-mail Waltham. Do you think I can get a copy in New Haven, if I were in town?? Bob.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Nelson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] How do I obtain Natualization Records | Several of my ancestors were naturalized in New Haven Superior Court around | the period Bob is looking at. I have been able to get copies of all the | Naturalizations from Waltham. | | >>From NARA website: | >It is impossible to provide hard-and-fast rules about | >the content or even the existence of naturalization | >records. The 1905 Report to the President of the | >Commission on Naturalization remarked: | > | >The methods of making and keeping the naturalization | >records in both the Federal and State courts are as | >various as the procedure in such cases. Thus the | >declaration of intention in some courts consists | >merely of the bare statement of the intention and the | >name and allegiance of the alien, while in other | >courts it also includes a history of the alien.... In | >a majority of courts alien applicants are not required | >to make the declaration of intention required by law | >... and in other courts he is. Previous to 1903 a | >majority of courts did not require petitions or | >affidavits; other courts did. Some courts keep a | >naturalization record separate from the other records; | >other courts include the naturalization record in the | >regular minutes of the court. Some records contain | >full histories of the aliens, but a majority of the | >records show only the name, nationality, oath of | >allegiance, and date of admission. | > | >In 1903 a Justice Department investigator made even | >more condemnatory comments: | > | >I find the naturalization records in many cases in a | >chaotic condition, many lost and destroyed, and some | >sold for old paper. Most the records consist of merely | >the name and nativity of the alien with no means of | >identifying aliens ofthe same name....In numerous | >cases I find aliens naturalized under initials instead | >of Christian names, surnames misspelled or changed | >entirely, and names of witnesses inserted in place of | >the alien naturalized....The examination of the | >records discloses the remarkable fact that never, | >since the first enactment of the naturalization laws, | >has any record been made in any court of the names of | >minor children who, under the operation of the | >statutes, were made citizens by the naturalization of | >their parents. | > | >The Location of these Records | > | >County Court Records | >Naturalization records from county courts may still be | >at the county court, in a county or State archives, or | >at a regional archives serving several counties within | >a State. Some of these records or indexes have been | >published, such as the Index of Naturalizations, | >Ashtabula County, Ohio, 1875-1906, published by the | >Ashtabula County Genealogical Society. | >Do not be surprised if county court employees tell you | >that their naturalization records are at "the National | >Archives" or that their court never conducted | >naturalizations. Most current court employees are | >probably not genealogists and may not be familiar with | >the court's older records. It is up to the researcher | >to determine the location of older court records. | >In addition, there are three National Archives | >microfilm publications that serve as indexes to some | >State and local court naturalizations in Connecticut, | >Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, New | >Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont. | > | >M1299. Index to New England Naturalization Records, | >1791-1906 (117 rolls). This serves a similar function | >for naturalizations occurring in various courts in the | >six New England States of Connecticut, Maine, | >Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and | >Vermont. | > | >NARA's Northeast Region (Boston) | >Address: | >Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center | >380 Trapelo Road | >Waltham, Massachusetts 02452-6399 | > | >Phone:781-647-8104 | >E-mail: [email protected]* | >Fax: 781-647-8088 | > | >Serves Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New | >Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont | > | >I was looking for these about a year ago too. I sent | >an email to one of the NARA employees and they did a | >search for me. I think I got lucky. He was never | >naturalized it turned out, so I sent for alien | >registration papers from WWII. Washington took about | >3 months to determine that they should forward my | >request to Boston. Boston took another three to | >acknowledge receipt of said request and about three | >months later i actually received my document! Great | >information is found on these docs! | >I would start by emailing the employee above at Boston | >with the name, date and place you gave us. He can at | >least provide you with a form to send in if not a | >quick search. | >Good Luck! | >MaryLynn | > | >__________________________________________________ | >Do You Yahoo!? | >Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy AwardsÆ | >http://movies.yahoo.com/ | > | > | >==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== | >Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other | >enhanced text to the list. 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Several of my ancestors were naturalized in New Haven Superior Court around the period Bob is looking at. I have been able to get copies of all the Naturalizations from Waltham. >>From NARA website: >It is impossible to provide hard-and-fast rules about >the content or even the existence of naturalization >records. The 1905 Report to the President of the >Commission on Naturalization remarked: > >The methods of making and keeping the naturalization >records in both the Federal and State courts are as >various as the procedure in such cases. Thus the >declaration of intention in some courts consists >merely of the bare statement of the intention and the >name and allegiance of the alien, while in other >courts it also includes a history of the alien.... In >a majority of courts alien applicants are not required >to make the declaration of intention required by law >... and in other courts he is. Previous to 1903 a >majority of courts did not require petitions or >affidavits; other courts did. Some courts keep a >naturalization record separate from the other records; >other courts include the naturalization record in the >regular minutes of the court. Some records contain >full histories of the aliens, but a majority of the >records show only the name, nationality, oath of >allegiance, and date of admission. > >In 1903 a Justice Department investigator made even >more condemnatory comments: > >I find the naturalization records in many cases in a >chaotic condition, many lost and destroyed, and some >sold for old paper. Most the records consist of merely >the name and nativity of the alien with no means of >identifying aliens ofthe same name....In numerous >cases I find aliens naturalized under initials instead >of Christian names, surnames misspelled or changed >entirely, and names of witnesses inserted in place of >the alien naturalized....The examination of the >records discloses the remarkable fact that never, >since the first enactment of the naturalization laws, >has any record been made in any court of the names of >minor children who, under the operation of the >statutes, were made citizens by the naturalization of >their parents. > >The Location of these Records > >County Court Records >Naturalization records from county courts may still be >at the county court, in a county or State archives, or >at a regional archives serving several counties within >a State. Some of these records or indexes have been >published, such as the Index of Naturalizations, >Ashtabula County, Ohio, 1875-1906, published by the >Ashtabula County Genealogical Society. >Do not be surprised if county court employees tell you >that their naturalization records are at "the National >Archives" or that their court never conducted >naturalizations. Most current court employees are >probably not genealogists and may not be familiar with >the court's older records. It is up to the researcher >to determine the location of older court records. >In addition, there are three National Archives >microfilm publications that serve as indexes to some >State and local court naturalizations in Connecticut, >Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, New >Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont. > >M1299. Index to New England Naturalization Records, >1791-1906 (117 rolls). This serves a similar function >for naturalizations occurring in various courts in the >six New England States of Connecticut, Maine, >Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and >Vermont. > >NARA's Northeast Region (Boston) >Address: >Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center >380 Trapelo Road >Waltham, Massachusetts 02452-6399 > >Phone:781-647-8104 >E-mail: [email protected]* >Fax: 781-647-8088 > >Serves Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New >Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont > >I was looking for these about a year ago too. I sent >an email to one of the NARA employees and they did a >search for me. I think I got lucky. He was never >naturalized it turned out, so I sent for alien >registration papers from WWII. Washington took about >3 months to determine that they should forward my >request to Boston. Boston took another three to >acknowledge receipt of said request and about three >months later i actually received my document! Great >information is found on these docs! >I would start by emailing the employee above at Boston >with the name, date and place you gave us. He can at >least provide you with a form to send in if not a >quick search. >Good Luck! >MaryLynn > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy AwardsÆ >http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > >==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== >Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other >enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those >settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

George Marquis Hahn wed to Dorothea A. Ruger/Riiger 2-14-1854 in New Haven CT. They already had one daughter, Elizabeth Sarah b. 1853 GErmany. Other children born in or near New Haven are: Margaret/Augusta Hahn 1854 Henry Hahn 1859. Can anyone help me find anything on this family in New Haven? Moved to Bristol by 1860. [email protected]

I have info that my GGGrandfather Michael MARTIN might have been naturalized in New Haven. Where do I write, and/or visit, to see/obtain the record. I have a date of March 22, 1866, Vol., #4, Page 407, Superior Court, New Haven Thanks, Bob Bob Martin [email protected]

This is a novice question. My Grandmother, Mary Heavey Reidy died November, 1927 in New Haven. Would her death certificate list her birth date? How do I obtain a copy? I have possibly linked her to Mt. Hevey Ireland but they need her birth date. Thanks, Susan -- NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected.

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From NARA website: It is impossible to provide hard-and-fast rules about the content or even the existence of naturalization records. The 1905 Report to the President of the Commission on Naturalization remarked: The methods of making and keeping the naturalization records in both the Federal and State courts are as various as the procedure in such cases. Thus the declaration of intention in some courts consists merely of the bare statement of the intention and the name and allegiance of the alien, while in other courts it also includes a history of the alien.... In a majority of courts alien applicants are not required to make the declaration of intention required by law ... and in other courts he is. Previous to 1903 a majority of courts did not require petitions or affidavits; other courts did. Some courts keep a naturalization record separate from the other records; other courts include the naturalization record in the regular minutes of the court. Some records contain full histories of the aliens, but a majority of the records show only the name, nationality, oath of allegiance, and date of admission. In 1903 a Justice Department investigator made even more condemnatory comments: I find the naturalization records in many cases in a chaotic condition, many lost and destroyed, and some sold for old paper. Most the records consist of merely the name and nativity of the alien with no means of identifying aliens ofthe same name....In numerous cases I find aliens naturalized under initials instead of Christian names, surnames misspelled or changed entirely, and names of witnesses inserted in place of the alien naturalized....The examination of the records discloses the remarkable fact that never, since the first enactment of the naturalization laws, has any record been made in any court of the names of minor children who, under the operation of the statutes, were made citizens by the naturalization of their parents. The Location of these Records County Court Records Naturalization records from county courts may still be at the county court, in a county or State archives, or at a regional archives serving several counties within a State. Some of these records or indexes have been published, such as the Index of Naturalizations, Ashtabula County, Ohio, 1875-1906, published by the Ashtabula County Genealogical Society. Do not be surprised if county court employees tell you that their naturalization records are at "the National Archives" or that their court never conducted naturalizations. Most current court employees are probably not genealogists and may not be familiar with the court's older records. It is up to the researcher to determine the location of older court records. In addition, there are three National Archives microfilm publications that serve as indexes to some State and local court naturalizations in Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont. M1299. Index to New England Naturalization Records, 1791-1906 (117 rolls). This serves a similar function for naturalizations occurring in various courts in the six New England States of Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont. NARA's Northeast Region (Boston) Address: Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center 380 Trapelo Road Waltham, Massachusetts 02452-6399 Phone:781-647-8104 E-mail: [email protected]* Fax: 781-647-8088 Serves Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont I was looking for these about a year ago too. I sent an email to one of the NARA employees and they did a search for me. I think I got lucky. He was never naturalized it turned out, so I sent for alien registration papers from WWII. Washington took about 3 months to determine that they should forward my request to Boston. Boston took another three to acknowledge receipt of said request and about three months later i actually received my document! Great information is found on these docs! I would start by emailing the employee above at Boston with the name, date and place you gave us. He can at least provide you with a form to send in if not a quick search. Good Luck! MaryLynn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Hi Susan, Her death certificate should have her birth date as long as the informant (usually a family member) knew it. Go to http://www.dph.state.ct.us/OPPE/townclerks.htm for the address of the town clerk where the death took place. Then go to http://www.dph.state.ct.us/OPPE/hpvital.htm to download the form and instructions for ordering the certificate. It's only $5. MaryLynn --- [email protected] wrote: > > This is a novice question. My Grandmother, Mary > Heavey Reidy died > November, 1927 in New Haven. Would her death > certificate list her birth > date? How do I obtain a copy? I have possibly > linked her to Mt. Hevey > Ireland but they need her birth date. > Thanks, > Susan > > -- > > NOTICE: The information contained in this > electronic mail transmission is > intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the > named individual or > entity to which it is directed and may contain > information that is > privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have > received this electronic > mail transmission in error, please delete it from > your system without > copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of > the error by reply email > or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's > address records can be > corrected. > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, > MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow > messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return > them to you. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

When and where did she marry? That is probably the best bet for the parent information, on the marriage certificate.

Can anyone tell me: Do any of the civil records in New Haven for marriages, or deaths list the parents of the intended or deceased. This would apply to records from about 1850 to 1890. Were the declaration of, "intent to marry" just a church record or were they published in the newspaper? Did the obituary notices list parents or more details than just "Ireland' as the place of birth. I have the year that a g-grandmother was born in Ireland. I have the date and place where she was married, bore her children and died in New Haven. What I don't have is the name of her parents and that is what I would love to find? Is there anyone in New Haven that does obituary research in the local papers? Owen

> >[email protected] wrote: > > > I don't know about a monument, although would love to > > find out. But have you read Longfellow's wonderful poem > > about "The Phantom Ship"? > > Yes, I also had at one time a copy of the correspondence between Cotton Mather and Rev. Pierpont (sp?) Is there a comprehensive list of individuals who went down with the ship? I

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My ancestor John Taylor (b. 1605) was also aboard this ship. Thanks to everyone who provided the history in other posts -- it was interesting to read! Deborah Bay Denver, CO [email protected] wrote: > I don't know about a monument, although would love to > find out. But have you read Longfellow's wonderful poem > about "The Phantom Ship"? > > My ancestors Thomas Gregson and Nathaniel Turner were > both on board when the ship was lost in 1646. > > Judy Davison > > -- > > > Some weeks ago I sent a e-mail message to the New Haven Historical > > Society inquiring if there were any monuments for the "Phantom Ship". I'm > > trying to gather the rudiments of our family history and although myself , > > my dads family and his dad were born in New Haven we never dreamed that our > > roots extended back to George Lamberton and the early New Haven Colony. > > So I'm asking, does anyone know if such a monument exists? If so, > > what local government agency is responsible for it? What I'm after is a > > picture or perhaps a book available via my rural library that has a picture. > > Owen > > Owen Berio

The Phantom Ship by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow In Mather's Magnalia Christi, Of the old colonial time, May be found in prose the legend That is here set down in ryhme. A ship sailed from New Haven, And the keen and frosty airs, That filled her sails at parting, were heavy with good men's prayer. "O Lord if it be thy pleasure"-- Thus prayed the old divine-- "To bury our friends in the ocean, Take them, for they are thine!" But Master Lamberton muttered, And under his breath said he, "This ship is so crank and walty, I fear our grave she will be!" And the ships that came from England, When the winter months were gone, Brought no tidings of this vessel Nor of Master Lamberton. This put the people to praying that the Lord would let them hear What in his greater wisdom He had done with friends so dear. And at last their prayers were answered: It was in the month of June, An hour before the sunset Of a windy afternoon, When, steadily steering landward, A ship was seen below, And they knew it was Lamberton, Master, Who sailed long ago. On she came, with a cloud of canvas, Right against the wind that blew Until the eye could distinguish The faces of the crew. Then fell her straining topmasts, Hanging tangled in the shrouds, And her sails were loosened and lifted, And blown away like the clouds. And the masts, with all their rigging, Fell slowly, one by one, And the hulk dilated and vanished, As sea-mist in the sun! And the people who saw this marvel Each said unto his friend, That this was the mould of their vessel, And thus her tragic end. And the pastor of the village Gave thanks to God in prayer, That, to quiet their troubled spirits, He had sent this Ship of Air. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Lindy

Phantom Ship The New Haven Colony decided to send out a ship to trade with England. They needed to trade because they wanted some supplies from England and they also wanted to show England that they were doing well in the new world. The colony got together all the goods they could scrape together. Finally, they had five thousand pounds of goods. The colonists in charge of the ship were Thomas Gregson, Nathaniel Lurner, George Lamberton, and the wife of Steven Goodyear. In January, 1647, the ship was ready to go, but the harbor was iced in. They waited for a while but got anxious to go. They backed the ship out, breaking through the remaining ice. Backing ships out was thought to be bad luck at that time, but they did it anyway! Day in and day out, the colonists watched for the return of the ship. Reverend Davenport climbed into the steeple every day to see if it was returning. One calm morning in June the Reverend saw the ship in full sail coming into the harbor. He watched in disbelief as the ship rose into the clouds. In full sail when it was almost over the ground, it crumbled and disappeared. The strangest thing about it was the sails were full but the small amount of wind was blowing the other direction. The Reverend though it was a message from God \, telling the colonists the sad fate of the ship. This event weakened the colony. It was 100 years before the colony decided to build another cargo ship to sail to England. Lindy

I don't know about a monument, although would love to find out. But have you read Longfellow's wonderful poem about "The Phantom Ship"? My ancestors Thomas Gregson and Nathaniel Turner were both on board when the ship was lost in 1646. Judy Davison -- > Some weeks ago I sent a e-mail message to the New Haven Historical > Society inquiring if there were any monuments for the "Phantom Ship". I'm > trying to gather the rudiments of our family history and although myself , > my dads family and his dad were born in New Haven we never dreamed that our > roots extended back to George Lamberton and the early New Haven Colony. > So I'm asking, does anyone know if such a monument exists? If so, > what local government agency is responsible for it? What I'm after is a > picture or perhaps a book available via my rural library that has a picture. > Owen > Owen Berio > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <[email protected]>. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

>From a book issued 1884 by O. A. Dorman, Stationer, 696 Chapel Street New Haven on the centennial of New Haven: The Phantom Ship: New Haven was settled by merchants whose leading idea was commerce, not agriculture, for which they and the land, were ill adapted. Captain Lamberton and about 70 others embarked in her, among whom were six or eight of their most valuable citizens. They saled from New Haven in January 1647. She was so "walty" {rolling} that Lamberton said she would prove their grave: and she did. They cut there way out through the ice of the harbor for three miles, and with many prayers, and tears and heart-sinkings set sail. Mr Davenport, in prayer, used these words: "Lord, if it be thy pleasure to bury these, our friends, in the bottom of the sea, they are thine, save them" Months of weary waiting passed over and no tidings from Europe of "the great shippe". She was never heard of--foundered at sea. The next June, just after a great thunderstorm, the air being serene, there appeared about an hour before sunset, though the wind was northerly, there appeared in the air, coming up the harbors mouth, a ship just like our "great shippe", with her sails all set as filled under a fresh gale, and continued sailing against the wind for half an hour, coming near to the people standing on the shore, when suddenly all her sails and masts seemed blown overboard; quickly after hulk brought to a careen and she overset and vanished in a smoky cloud. The people declared this was themold of their ship and this her tragic end. With the loss of this ship, all hope of trade was given up. I do not think there is a monument dedicated to this, although sometimes when things are right under your nose you do not notice them. Judy

Judy, Is this the same Thomas Gregson as the one listed below? John Gilbert, bp. Apr. 1644, First Congregational Church, New Haven, d. 26 Nov 1673, (New Haven Vital Records), m. 12 Dec. 1667, (New Haven Vital Records), Sarah Gregson, da. of Thomas and Jane Gregson, who d. 1697; she m. (2) 9 May 1676, Samuel Whitehead, (New Haven Vital Records). I have not researched the Gregson line at all. This information came from "Families of Ancient New Haven", Compiled by Donald Lines Jacobus. Ginny Echelberger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] "Phantom Ship" > I don't know about a monument, although would love to > find out. But have you read Longfellow's wonderful poem > about "The Phantom Ship"? > > My ancestors Thomas Gregson and Nathaniel Turner were > both on board when the ship was lost in 1646. > > Judy Davison > > -- > > > Some weeks ago I sent a e-mail message to the New Haven Historical > > Society inquiring if there were any monuments for the "Phantom Ship". I'm > > trying to gather the rudiments of our family history and although myself , > > my dads family and his dad were born in New Haven we never dreamed that our > > roots extended back to George Lamberton and the early New Haven Colony. > > So I'm asking, does anyone know if such a monument exists? If so, > > what local government agency is responsible for it? What I'm after is a > > picture or perhaps a book available via my rural library that has a picture. > > Owen > > Owen Berio > > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > > at <[email protected]>. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the New Haven County, CT discussion list, send them to > [email protected] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >