Recently I received birth documents which my mother had kept. I have the birth certificate from New haven, baptismal certificate with my name altered {won't get into that!}. I also have a document issued by the Hospital of St. Raphael which is a certificate of birth with the hospital's seal signed by the doctor and the hospital administrator. I cannot recall ever seeing one of these documents before. Would there be a file at the hospital with these documents or a book? What would be the reason to issue this document when my birth certificate is on file in the vital records office. My guess is that you needed to physically take the document to city hall to register the birth. It seems a little redundant. Which brings me to the original question: Was it the parent's responsibility to register the birth or the hospital? If there are hospital records, I would like to get a look at them. Is this a legal doument? I was born in 1949 in New haven, Connecticut.

Hi, My wife gave birth in three (3) different hospitals. Each one gave us a certificate (?) of birth for the baby. But they aren't what the government considers a birth certificate for purposes of e.g. passport application. The govt jurisdiction where they were born will issue an official birth certificate (on request). Of course they got the data from the hospital; and by interviewinng the birth mother. My sample size is small (three), but it is uniform. Hope this helps. Regards, Bob -- Robert Hull <saratogabob@earthlink.net> Try my website: http://hometown.aol.com/saratogab/myhomepage/heritage.html > From: JUDYSPHIL@aol.com > Reply-To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:51:37 EDT > To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CTNEWHAV] Birth Certificates > Resent-From: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:51:44 -0600 > > Recently I received birth documents which my mother had kept. I have the > birth certificate from New haven, baptismal certificate with my name altered > {won't get into that!}. I also have a document issued by the Hospital of St. > Raphael which is a certificate of birth with the hospital's seal signed by the > doctor and the hospital administrator. I cannot recall ever seeing one of > these > documents before. Would there be a file at the hospital with these documents > or a book? What would be the reason to issue this document when my birth > certificate is on file in the vital records office. My guess is that you > needed > to physically take the document to city hall to register the birth. It seems > a > little redundant. Which brings me to the original question: Was it the > parent's responsibility to register the birth or the hospital? If there are > hospital records, I would like to get a look at them. Is this a legal > doument? > I was born in 1949 in New haven, Connecticut. > > > ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Those of you on AOL can access the 1930 census free by going to your Welcome screen and waiting for it to roll by. It is in the top center box. At least now AOL has something that not every ISP is giving out.

Thankfully you don't need much, but provide as much information as you can. I just got two dates of death by providing names and a range (1904-1906). Ct Vital Records was able to tell me where the deaths occured and the exact dates. As I mentioned in my first letter, checks MUST be made out to "Treasurer, State of Connecticut". If the check is incorrect they will still do a search and send the results but will not send you a death certificate. >Hi, > This sounds great for those of us who live a thousand miles away. What >information do you have to send them and do you need an exact date of death? > Thanks, >June > > > > > >In a message dated 7/27/2003 6:16:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >snelson@pacyber.com writes: > >> I would recommend checking with the CT Health Department >> >> CT Vital Records >> P.O. Box 340308 >> Hartford, CT 06134-0308 >> (860)509-7897 >> >> They have a computerized index to all deaths from 1897 - present. They can >> handle the request by mail and if you mail them a check for $5.00 made out >> to "Treasurer, State of Connecticut" they can issue you a copy of the death >> certificate. Takes about 4 weeks. >> > > > >==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== >Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other >enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those >settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, This sounds great for those of us who live a thousand miles away. What information do you have to send them and do you need an exact date of death? Thanks, June In a message dated 7/27/2003 6:16:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, snelson@pacyber.com writes: > I would recommend checking with the CT Health Department > > CT Vital Records > P.O. Box 340308 > Hartford, CT 06134-0308 > (860)509-7897 > > They have a computerized index to all deaths from 1897 - present. They can > handle the request by mail and if you mail them a check for $5.00 made out > to "Treasurer, State of Connecticut" they can issue you a copy of the death > certificate. Takes about 4 weeks. >

I would recommend checking with the CT Health Department CT Vital Records P.O. Box 340308 Hartford, CT 06134-0308 (860)509-7897 They have a computerized index to all deaths from 1897 - present. They can handle the request by mail and if you mail them a check for $5.00 made out to "Treasurer, State of Connecticut" they can issue you a copy of the death certificate. Takes about 4 weeks. >I am looking for a particular person, or his wife if not him, who lived in >New Haven. If there was a place in New Haven where I could search thru a >death >register for the 1900 to 1910 period, I would make the 2 hour trip and >include >a couple of museums. > >Does anyone know if there are such lists available for research in New Haven? > >Richard Malatzky > > >==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== >To post messages to the New Haven County, CT discussion list, send them to > CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would spend another 45 minutes and go to the State Library in Hartford. Bob Martin, CSG #17217 Tolland, Ct. USA Visit my site at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=martinrf -----Original Message----- From: DMALATZKY1@aol.com [mailto:DMALATZKY1@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:13 PM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CTNEWHAV] Looking for New Haven death registers I am looking for a particular person, or his wife if not him, who lived in New Haven. If there was a place in New Haven where I could search thru a death register for the 1900 to 1910 period, I would make the 2 hour trip and include a couple of museums. Does anyone know if there are such lists available for research in New Haven? Richard Malatzky ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== To post messages to the New Haven County, CT discussion list, send them to CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am looking for a particular person, or his wife if not him, who lived in New Haven. If there was a place in New Haven where I could search thru a death register for the 1900 to 1910 period, I would make the 2 hour trip and include a couple of museums. Does anyone know if there are such lists available for research in New Haven? Richard Malatzky

Hi Joyce, I, too, have Hargers but not that recent. If you have any connection with Joel Harger b. 3 Sep. 1772, E. Bridgewater, MA, m. Tabitha Coe; let's compare notes. June

Are you sure the last name is Hager and not HARGER? If it is Harger -- I would be interested. Joyce Steffel Chicago, IL

Relevant sections of 410 ILCS 535-Vital Records Act are reproduced below. It's not as bad as you think. Specific references are made to genealogical research as a legitimate reason for requesting records. -R. ladybug wrote: >CT. readers...Il readers have come up with this summation...I know CT has a "right to know law." Can anyone sum it up? ladybug@arends-sons.com in Ford County, Il. > >IL readers: >To my dismay, after reading SO MUCH LEGAL junk, Dan has probably solved the problem. >I will quote what he seems to have quoted..... >"If you're into legalese, you can view or download a guide to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act put out by the Attorney General at this link: http://www.ag.state.il.us/foia/foiarevised.pdf > >The following quotation appears on every page of Vital Records information on the clerk's website, along with a description of who the "specific individuals" are: > >"Under Illinois State Law (410 ILCS 535-Vital Records Act) only specific individuals have legal access to birth, death, or marriage certificates. .......County Clerk's Office will issure certificates to authorized individuals only. To do otherwise is a violation of Illinois Law. Vital Records are not considered Public information, nor are the subject to the Freedom of Information Act." > >Guess we are out-of-luck. > > 410 ILCS 535-Vital Records Act http://www.legis.state.il.us/legislation/ilcs/ch410/ch410act535.htm Sec. 24. (1) ... except that the indexes of those records in the custody of local registrars and county clerks, originating prior to January 1, 1916, shall be made available to persons for the purpose of genealogical research. Original, photographic or microphotographic reproductions of original records of births 100 years old and older and deaths 50 years old and older, and marriage records 75 years old and older on file in the State Office of Vital Records and in the custody of the county clerks may be made available for inspection in the Illinois State Archives reference area, Illinois Regional Archives Depositories, and other libraries approved by the Illinois State Registrar and the Director of the Illinois State Archives, provided that the photographic or microphotographic copies are made at no cost to the county or to the State of Illinois. (3) The State Registrar of Vital Records, may disclose, or authorize the disclosure of, data contained in the vital records when deemed essential for bona fide research purposes which are not for private gain. Sec. 25. In accordance with Section 24 of this Act, and the regulations adopted pursuant thereto: (1) The State Registrar of Vital Records shall search the files of birth, death, and fetal death records, upon receipt of a written request and a fee of $10 from any applicant entitled to such search. A search fee shall not be required for commemorative birth certificates issued by the State Registrar. If, upon search, the record requested is found, the State Registrar shall furnish the applicant one certification of such record, under the seal of such office. If the request is for a certified copy of the record an additional fee of $5 shall be required. If the request is for a certified copy of a death certificate or a fetal death certificate, an additional fee of $2 is required. The additional fee shall be deposited into the Death Certificate Surcharge Fund. A further fee of $2 shall be required for each additional certification or certified copy requested. If the requested record is not found, the State Registrar shall furnish the applicant a certification attesting to that fact, if so requested by the applicant. A further fee of $2 shall be required for each additional certification that no record has been found. Any local registrar or county clerk shall search the files of birth, death and fetal death records, upon receipt of a written request from any applicant entitled to such search. If upon search the record requested is found, such local registrar or county clerk shall furnish the applicant one certification or certified copy of such record, under the seal of such office, upon payment of the applicable fees. If the requested record is not found, the local registrar or county clerk shall furnish the applicant a certification attesting to that fact, if so requested by the applicant and upon payment of applicable fee. The local registrar or county clerk must charge a $2 fee for each certified copy of a death certificate. The fee is in addition to any other fees that are charged by the local registrar or county clerk. The additional fees must be transmitted to the State Registrar monthly and deposited into the Death Certificate Surcharge Fund. The local registrar or county clerk may charge fees for providing other services for which the State Registrar may charge fees under this Section. A request to any custodian of vital records for a search of the death record indexes for genealogical research shall require a fee of $10 per name for a 5 year search. An additional fee of $1 for each additional year searched shall be required. If the requested record is found, one uncertified copy shall be issued without additional charge. Any fee received by the State Registrar pursuant to this Section which is of an insufficient amount may be returned by the State Registrar upon his recording the receipt of such fee and the reason for its return. The State Registrar is authorized to maintain a 2 signature, revolving checking account with a suitable commercial bank for the purpose of depositing and withdrawing-for-return cash received and determined insufficient for the service requested. No fee imposed under this Section may be assessed against an organization chartered by Congress that requests a certificate for the purpose of death verification. (2) The certification of birth may contain only the name, sex, date of birth, and place of birth, of the person to whom it relates, the name, age and birthplace of the parents, and the file number; and none of the other data on the certificate of birth except as authorized under subsection (5) of this Section. (3) The certification of death shall contain only the name, Social Security Number, sex, date of death, and place of death of the person to whom it relates, and file number; and none of the other data on the certificate of death except as authorized under subsection (5) of this Section. (4) Certification or a certified copy of a certificate shall be issued: (a) Upon the order of a court of competent jurisdiction; or (b) In case of a birth certificate, upon the specific written request for a certification or certified copy by the person, if of legal age, by a parent or other legal representative of the person to whom the record of birth relates, or by a person having a genealogical interest; or (c) Upon the specific written request for a certification or certified copy by a department of the state or a municipal corporation or the federal government; or (d) In case of a death or fetal death certificate, upon specific written request for a certified copy by a person, or his duly authorized agent, having a genealogical, personal or property right interest in the record. A genealogical interest shall be a proper purpose with respect to births which occurred not less than 75 years and deaths which occurred not less than 20 years prior to the date of written request. Where the purpose of the request is a genealogical interest, the custodian shall stamp the certification or copy with the words, FOR GENEALOGICAL PURPOSES ONLY. -- Regards, Rod Dav4is / P.O. Box 118 / Hyde Park, NY 12538 / USA Genealogy, et Cetera: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dav4is/ 347 ancestral & collateral families, mostly 17th - 19th century New England & European roots, total population: 78,500+ Annex: http://www.gencircles.com/users/dav4is/

How would I go about finding the owner of a photo which I found at the flea market? On the back it says LYMAN BAKER HAGER age 16 days born July 24, 1914. It is a picture of an infant with a nurse standing in a yard --very non descript--could be anywhere. So I brought the photo home thinking--probably a wealth family--I should have no problem locating the family. I have had no luck--bought it at New Milford, Connecticut. Would love to send it to the family. I have tried all the usual searches--no luck. Any ideas appreciated. Judy

There was a stream with spring water not too far from the home. Do you remember that? You could go and get nice cold spring water. Wonder if thespring is still there? Still trying to remember what I did with the picture of the Home. Hamden had one also which was out at Brooksvale Park--I assume that there were quite a few places such as this==they served a purpose. Judy

/"I was told that it had a pig farm but i am not sure how true that is." /I don't know if this helps but as a child about 1939 my dad used to take me to a site where the poor house was located. Close by was "Farnums pig farm". Dad said Farnum had the contract for collecting New Haven's garbage. It was about a smelly mess as you could imagine. There were numerous pens in various stages of disrepair. When approaching you could smell it before you could see it. As I remember the poor house was built in "tenement style of two or three stories high. I don't remember what the front looked like but the back had full length porches and outside stairs.

CT. readers...Il readers have come up with this summation...I know CT has a "right to know law." Can anyone sum it up? ladybug@arends-sons.com in Ford County, Il. IL readers: To my dismay, after reading SO MUCH LEGAL junk, Dan has probably solved the problem. I will quote what he seems to have quoted..... "If you're into legalese, you can view or download a guide to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act put out by the Attorney General at this link: http://www.ag.state.il.us/foia/foiarevised.pdf The following quotation appears on every page of Vital Records information on the clerk's website, along with a description of who the "specific individuals" are: "Under Illinois State Law (410 ILCS 535-Vital Records Act) only specific individuals have legal access to birth, death, or marriage certificates. .......County Clerk's Office will issure certificates to authorized individuals only. To do otherwise is a violation of Illinois Law. Vital Records are not considered Public information, nor are the subject to the Freedom of Information Act." Guess we are out-of-luck.

Thank you all for the information. I hope that I have provided all of you with a little info also. So does anyone know when it became mandatory to fill out a "marriage license" to get married? I noticed a few entries in old books which say "no return" which I assume means the couple never returned to get married after "signing up". judy

Just my 2 cents. My family records are at St. Mary's in Branford. I went to the parish and asked the minister. He invited me in. Went to the records and found what I was looking for. Although I was never allowed to touch the book.( quite old you know ) He was an interesting and polite. I know face to face is not always an option but it does help sometimes. Cindy Lou Burgess Researching, Lawler(or) Stannard, Hay, Struzinski, Dziemit, Burgess, Smith, Ferguson, Spak, Singer & Doyle -----Original Message----- From: Divina Johnston [mailto:ddjohnston@erols.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:02 AM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CTNEWHAV] Re: 1857 marriage certificate Dear Judy and Bob, Judy: My great grandparents were also married at St. Marys in New Haven [in 1882]. Like you, I obtained a certificate of marriage from St. Marys and a copy of their marriage license from the New Haven registrar. The information in one document mirrors the other. A couple of times, I spoke with a very helpful lady at St. Mary. She took the time to check the records and confirmed that the church records contained nothing that was not included on the certificate of marriage that they had sent me earlier. In my opinion  at least in my case -- St. Mary and vital statistics have given me all they have. Bob Martin: In my experience, the Catholic Church does not readily allow private citizen access to their archives. When they do make Exceptions to that rule require a dispensation from the dioceses/archdioceses. But I have to tell you, that some parishes have been known to deny access to their records even though a dispensation has been obtained. Good luck! Divina ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those settings through their servers and will only return them to you. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Judy and Bob, Judy: My great grandparents were also married at St. Marys in New Haven [in 1882]. Like you, I obtained a certificate of marriage from St. Marys and a copy of their marriage license from the New Haven registrar. The information in one document mirrors the other. A couple of times, I spoke with a very helpful lady at St. Mary. She took the time to check the records and confirmed that the church records contained nothing that was not included on the certificate of marriage that they had sent me earlier. In my opinion  at least in my case -- St. Mary and vital statistics have given me all they have. Bob Martin: In my experience, the Catholic Church does not readily allow private citizen access to their archives. When they do make Exceptions to that rule require a dispensation from the dioceses/archdioceses. But I have to tell you, that some parishes have been known to deny access to their records even though a dispensation has been obtained. Good luck! Divina

Judy, Were you able to go through the St. Mary's records, or did you do it by mail? I would love to go to the church, and spend an afternoon there. Thanks Bob Martin, CSG #17217 Tolland, Ct. USA Visit my site at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=martinrf -----Original Message----- From: MARDELL GITCHEL [mailto:MGITCHEL@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:21 AM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CTNEWHAV] 1857 marriage certificate Dear Judy, Did you find the marriage record at the state vital records office? I have my grandparents marriage license of 1890 from the New Haven vital statistics at 165 Church Street, New Haven. I don't know how far they go back. Mardell ----- Original Message ----- From: JUDYSPHIL@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 7:42 PM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CTNEWHAV] 1857 marriage certificate I found the marriage of Philip Cronan and ann McNerney in the books at the vital records office and also in the books at st. Mary's Church in New haven. My question is--is this all that I can expect to find? Did they have to fill out anything like a license? This was 1857 and I am very grateful to have found this marriage listed. The vital records listing only has brides parents names listed {I already knew their names} and groom's parents is left blank{that was what I was looking for} Church record has witnesses and nothing more. Thanks, Judy ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list send your message to <CTNEWHAV-L-request@rootsweb.com> for individual list messages; <CTNEWHAV-D-request@rootsweb.com> for digest messages. Then put the word unsubscribe in the subject line and send your message. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Judy, If you go to Rootsweb, enter Philip Cronan and check World Connect. He and his wife Ann are listed with all their children. This might help you along your way. Mardell ----- Original Message ----- From: JUDYSPHIL@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:34 AM To: CTNEWHAV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CTNEWHAV] 1857 marriage All that I have been able to find is just the two entries in the vital records and church records. Since this is what I would consider an "early record" {for me anyway} I am not sure if I should look for more info. I am thinking that this is all I am going to find. We are trying to track down Philip Cronan and his brother Thomas. Judy ==== CTNEWHAV Mailing List ==== Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those settings through their servers and will only return them to you. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237