Jane - Thanks for your note of 2/24 outlining your lineage from Lt. Jonathan.. particularly his daughter Patience. Not too much apparently is known of this line. I'd like very much to get copies of your family group sheets (incl. b-d-m dates & places, with siblings & spouse information) so I can add this to my Rudd "Tree". I will reimburse copy & postage costs. Send to Janet L. Rudd 1034 Dunlop Avenue Forest Park, IL 60130-2216 Researchers can subscribe to the Rudd group by sending an e-mail to RUDD-L-request@rootsweb.com leave subject blank and in body of message, put only subscribe I see you are a "Michigander" my mother was from Grass Lake and my father from Ridgeway. My daughter-in-law, Nadine Knight (also a Rudd descendant) is from Bay City; and my late brother's wife is now in Northfield. Small world. I still have cousins there, too.. Grand Rapids, Holland, Gull Lake, St. Johns, etc. I'd be happy to share information with you, Jane - and look forward to hearing from you. JanetRudd in Illinois