This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xY.2ADI/403.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you -- With all the George Richs around, I think I'd better wait until I see the divorce records. They might (they'd better!) give me more info on him to work with. I thought finding him in the census would be easy - didn't realize there would be so many! I do know he was born CT between 1850-1860, married in Berkshire Co., MA about 1878, divorced by 1890, and the family didn't hear a single word about him until about 1935 when his sister Mae/May (married? spinster?) told the family he'd died. The family assumes he died in Moodus since that is where Mae/May lived - of course I can't find her either in the censuses. :) Thank you, appreciate your taking the time to look him up for me. If you don't mind, I'll probably be in touch again after I find a bit more info on him. Regards, M'Lisa Whitney

Hello, Deb -- Thank you for taking the time to look up George Rich for me. I'm not sure, but I think that he is the one you listed as age 60 in 1910 living in Middletown. I looked this one up and he is noted as being divorced - that's what I'm looking for, a George Rich, born between 1850-1860, who was divorced about 1890 who is living near Moodus. I don't know if this is him yet or not. I've written to the County Clerk where he was presumed to have been divorced and requested a copy of the divorce records, hopefully it'll have enough information for me to pinpoint him in these few census records. Thank you for your help - much appreciated! Regards, M'Lisa Whitney [email protected]

Here are some other relationship charts ... http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/iss/gr/chart.htm http://www.grl.com/grl/relationship.shtml And one that shows (ON AVERAGE) the genetic relationship between relatives: http://www.onr.com/user/aynes/cousins.htm Note that a non-twin sibling's 50% is AVERAGE. It would be extremely rare, but the percentage of genes in common can be 0% or 100%. Cheers, Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: [CTMID] Cousins "Removed" | A few days ago, on the Berkshire Cty., MA list I offerred to email, to any one interested, copies of the | "diamond shaped" chart, which some of you may have seen in the past. It facilitates calculating the degree of removal of cousins. There was quite a response which has since died down. | I have placed the chart on its own web page on my website. at | http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~arnold/chart.htm | Any who would like to have it can download it from there at | theirconvenience. | Chuck Arnold | British Colonists>ALLEN ARNOLD BEECHER BOSWORTH CONE CURTIS DEMING KIRBY | PHELPS SHED SPENCER WAKEMAN >MA>CT>some to Genesee County, NY. | New Amsterdam Dutch and French Huguenot>BOGARDUS BROWER/BROUWER VAN NAGEL | WALDRON DeLaMONTAIGNE>NY | Eastern Europe> Poland>FALTYN MOROZ PASKIEWICZ STANKIEWICZ | Bohemia> TROUSIL WEBER | | <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~arnold/> | | | | ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== | Welcome to the Middlesex County, CT Mailing List | List Mom - Jane Devlin [email protected] | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

Listers, This appeared this AM on the Hale list and I thought it should be brought to your attention. Hugh Wallis has bone a great job and service to all genealogical researchers. Successful searching! William R. Randall -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [HALE-L] !!!NEW UPDATE - IGI Search Facility now includes USA!!! Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:18:30 -0700 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:08:21 -0800 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: !!!NEW UPDATE - IGI Search Facility now includes USA!!! Dear Listers - I am so pleased to be able to announce this news. An incredible thing has happened for those searching for kindred connections in the USA. Our terrifically wonderful Hugh Wallis has done it again!!! Yes, you can now search the IGI by town, county and state with only a surname... What was done for the UK has graciously been extended to US records by harnessing the information so lovingly put together by the LDS. Use this new search feature here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm Hugh, we salute you! Your philanthropic work is a gift we appreciate. Best wishes to all, Dawn Perry-Taft Central Coast, CA -------------------------- Received this e-mail from Hugh today- From: "Hugh Wallis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> <<OK - your wish is my command <My first lot of North American numbers are up on the site - you can <get to them from the same page as before - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm <- there will be more to come if folks can tell me what ranges to look <in!! <Please pass the word around <All the very best <Hugh Wallis <Ontario, Canada <Formerly of Surrey, UK>> ------------------------------------ <<Dear Hugh, <As I am quite sure you know, all of the Rootsweb mailings lists are <quite atwitter with your grand performance on putting together this <new IGI search facility for the UK. I have personally benefited a <great deal from your work already and thank you heartily for it. <As I subscribe to the LDS-Lessons list, others were asking when this <was going to be done for other places, such as the United States. I <replied to the list that you had done this work on your own and <unless someone wanted to accumulate the data and ask if you would <share the programming needed, it probably wasn't going to happen <anytime soon. >> ==== HALE Mailing List ==== We're growing!!! Thank you for making the HALE-L list so successful. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A few days ago, on the Berkshire Cty., MA list I offerred to email, to any one interested, copies of the "diamond shaped" chart, which some of you may have seen in the past. It facilitates calculating the degree of removal of cousins. There was quite a response which has since died down. I have placed the chart on its own web page on my website. at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~arnold/chart.htm Any who would like to have it can download it from there at theirconvenience. Chuck Arnold British Colonists>ALLEN ARNOLD BEECHER BOSWORTH CONE CURTIS DEMING KIRBY PHELPS SHED SPENCER WAKEMAN >MA>CT>some to Genesee County, NY. New Amsterdam Dutch and French Huguenot>BOGARDUS BROWER/BROUWER VAN NAGEL WALDRON DeLaMONTAIGNE>NY Eastern Europe> Poland>FALTYN MOROZ PASKIEWICZ STANKIEWICZ Bohemia> TROUSIL WEBER <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~arnold/>

Good going, Janece. This stuff can be addicting, after all, Jane started out small and now look at her website. Keep up the good work!!! Coralynn

Dona et al, I've seen personal clothing in quite a few wills. Things like "my best frock" or some such, along with shoes, coats, combs, brushes, books, bedding, etc. All kinds of personal stuff. (Or maybe my ancestors just were very domineering and didn't want to let go of the reins even after death!!) Barbara

Hello List! I just wanted to let you know that I have started putting Clinton Marriages online at my site. So far, I have uploaded 1852-1876 from Volume II of the Town Records. I am starting on Volume III which is 1877-1929. I know that I made some errors while typing these names. I hope that if you spot a name that is wrong, you will let me know, so I can change it for other researchers. This list is so wonderful about helping out each other. I would like to give a very big Thank You to our "list mom" - Jane. Without you, I could not have have done this. Thank you for your encouragement and asisstance. One other side comment about finding marriages in places we would not have looked--I noticed that there were listings for people who were not born or resided at the time of their marriage in Clinton. Could this be because the person that married them lived in Clinton or just stopped in town and decided to record the marriage? Very rarely did I see a minister or magistrate only listed once or twice in this file. One example was the marriage of Sidney Carter to Harriet Cook--his father Sidney Carter, Sr. married them and did not perform any other marriages in this time period. {This one I know because it is my family and the father was retired from active minister activities at this time.} Happy hunting! Janece Carter Streig [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jcstreig/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/5.1 Message Board Post: I AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON GEORGE L. MAGNER FROM HINGHAM. PLEASE HELP.

> Jane, I would be interested in knowing just who all from Middletown went to > Turin, as there seem to have been quite a few. I'm sorry, but I don't know.. the Crofoot message was a forward from patricia stephenson" <[email protected]> who sent it to the CTMIDDLE_request address by mistake. Jane

Warren, Great point! I have inventories from two wills-1832 and 1840 and neither lists any guns. The one in 1832 (Deacon Benjamin Carter) lists several Bibles, hymnals, psalm books, but no guns. The other one (Silas Carter) only lists one Bible and gets down to the 17 cord of oak wood, but no guns. {Note: 1832 lists as Killingworth; 1840 is Clinton.} Could they have been called something else? Could it have been exempt from inheritance or tax? Janece Carter Streig [email protected]

There was no inheritance tax back then. The only thing I can think of is that the old men gave their guns away before they died. Maybe they were too old to fight or hunt and so passed them along to someone who could use them. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: [CTMID] Guns listed in Wills | Warren, | | Great point! | | I have inventories from two wills-1832 and 1840 and neither lists any guns. | The one in 1832 (Deacon Benjamin Carter) lists several Bibles, hymnals, psalm | books, but no guns. The other one (Silas Carter) only lists one Bible and | gets down to the 17 cord of oak wood, but no guns. {Note: 1832 lists as | Killingworth; 1840 is Clinton.} | | Could they have been called something else? Could it have been exempt from | inheritance or tax? | | Janece Carter Streig | [email protected] | | | ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== | Visit the Godfrey Memorial Library Website | http://www.godfrey.org | Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

::: Brother W blushes modestly ::: ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Randall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTMID] GUNS in Colonial Wills | Dona, | | This may be a "guy thing". A man's gun is part of his being and very | essence. I am sure it would be considered a valued possession and, I | assume, handed down to the eldest son. I know this was the situation in | my family and we are pretty "typical". It would have great symbolic | value as a means of protection of a man's family. Now that I think of | it, I have never seen a mention of a "willed hound". | | This was a great question, but what else would one expect from our | brother, Wetmore. | | William R. Randall | A Proud RootsWeb Contributor | =================================================== | Beebe, Cranmer, Hale, Lamb, RANDALL, Roberts and Wightman families | in Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Ohio and Rhode Island | | Randall Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randall | | | [email protected] wrote: | > | > I haven't come across guns in wills, either, but perhaps they didn't consider them part of the household goods or "willable" property. Most of the time you also don't see personal clothing being willed, though the pots and pans ARE. Strange, perhaps, to us these days. Maybe the men gave the guns to their sons at some point before their death? | > | > Dona Ritchie | > | > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== | > You can search the archives for the list at | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE | > | > ============================== | > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | | | ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== | You can search the archives for the list at | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTMID] GUNS in Colonial Wills | | > But I have yet to find a single gun mentioned in any of my ancestral wills. | > How about y'all? | | These men aren't my ancestors and I found them by searching for "sword" as | "gun" produced hits with words like "begun": What site were you searching? | >From John Whitmore, 1696: " And the other halfe to remain to the use of my | wife till her natural death. And then the whole of my aforesaid House and | Lands to be for my son Thomas WETTMORE & his heyres for Ever. Lands, | one parcel of meadow at Wangonque containing about three acres according | to my Father Thomas WHETMORE's Deed of Gift to him. Also my three | side arms, one short gun or Carbine, two fowling pieces, one sword, one | Pike, with the rest of the implements thereunto belonging, when he comes to | the age of 21 years." My distant uncle! His line (I believe) persists to this day through his posthumous son Ebenezer, born 17 days after John died. Lordy, look at all the different spellings of my surname. And "Wangonque" is now spelled "Wangunk." I believe it was the name of one of the River Tribes. Thanks, Cuz Jane! There's a whole buncha shootin' irons -- three pistols, a carbine and two shotguns. Warren

> But I have yet to find a single gun mentioned in any of my ancestral wills. > How about y'all? These men aren't my ancestors and I found them by searching for "sword" as "gun" produced hits with words like "begun": From John Whitmore, 1696: " And the other halfe to remain to the use of my wife till her natural death. And then the whole of my aforesaid House and Lands to be for my son Thomas WETTMORE & his heyres for Ever. Lands, one parcel of meadow at Wangonque containing about three acres according to my Father Thomas WHETMORE's Deed of Gift to him. Also my three side arms, one short gun or Carbine, two fowling pieces, one sword, one Pike, with the rest of the implements thereunto belonging, when he comes to the age of 21 years." From Deacon Daniel Markham, 1711: " I give unto my son Daniel MARKHAM my gun and sword." From Nathaniel Brown, 1735: " I, Nathaniel BROWN of Middletown, being sicke and weak in body, doe make this my last will and testament: I give to Sarah, my wife, the whole of my household goos and all otehr moveable estate (as stock of creatures and other utensils of what kind soever), to be for her comfort and at her dispose forever (excepting my gun and sword and amunition, which, if my daughter Sarah BECKWITH should have a son and they call him after my name, I give sd. arms and amunition unto that child)." Jane

I haven't come across guns in wills, either, but perhaps they didn't consider them part of the household goods or "willable" property. Most of the time you also don't see personal clothing being willed, though the pots and pans ARE. Strange, perhaps, to us these days. Maybe the men gave the guns to their sons at some point before their death? Dona Ritchie

Dona, This may be a "guy thing". A man's gun is part of his being and very essence. I am sure it would be considered a valued possession and, I assume, handed down to the eldest son. I know this was the situation in my family and we are pretty "typical". It would have great symbolic value as a means of protection of a man's family. Now that I think of it, I have never seen a mention of a "willed hound". This was a great question, but what else would one expect from our brother, Wetmore. William R. Randall A Proud RootsWeb Contributor =================================================== Beebe, Cranmer, Hale, Lamb, RANDALL, Roberts and Wightman families in Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Ohio and Rhode Island Randall Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randall [email protected] wrote: > > I haven't come across guns in wills, either, but perhaps they didn't consider them part of the household goods or "willable" property. Most of the time you also don't see personal clothing being willed, though the pots and pans ARE. Strange, perhaps, to us these days. Maybe the men gave the guns to their sons at some point before their death? > > Dona Ritchie > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for the list at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Many of you are aware of Michael Bellesiles book, which supposedly found that gun ownership in Colonial America was very low, based on their seldom appearing in wills. Well, there is now a controversy over his accuracy. But I have yet to find a single gun mentioned in any of my ancestral wills. How about y'all? Yet we know many if not most male Colonists belonged to the militia and probably hunted game for the pot. And they lived near Indians who sometimes were hostile (Pequot War; King Philip's War). Any ideas about this? • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • Best regards, Warren ==============================================================  Warren WETMORE  Hazel Crest, Cook Co., Illinois  USA  -------------------------------------------------------------- Researching ... WETMORE and WHITMORE : especially CT+NY+NB ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .APPLETON(Co.Suffolk) .FLETCHER:MA+ME+CT) .LESTER:LI+NY .ATKINSON:NB+NS .FLINT/FLYNT:MA .LONG:RI .BEDELL:LI .FOX:NJ(+PA?) .LOTT:RI .BONNELL:NJ+NY+NS(CT?).GILDERSLEEVE:CT+LI .McALLEN/ALLEN:NB .CARTON/CARTEN:NS+MA .GOODWIN:CRV* .MOTT:MA+RI+LI .CHAPMAN:NS+NB .HALL:CT-Middletown .PARTRIDGE:CRV* .CLEMENT:RI+NY .HAVILAND:RI+LI .PETERS:LI+NB .COLLINS:NS+NB .HEWLETT:NJ+LI .SMITH:CRV*;NB;LI .CROW:CRV* .HICKS:RI+LI;NB .STOW(E):MA+CT .DEVENNEY:NS+MA .HOAR(E):MA .TAIT:NB .DWIGHT:MA+CT .KELLEY:NS+MA .WHITE:CRV* .WILLIAMS:LI *CRV=Conn. River Valley, CT & MA; LI=Long Island, NY Co. Suffolk = County Suffolk, England Note: The various HICKS and SMITH lines are UNrelated. CHIGNECTO Isthmus, NB/NS: TAIT & ALLEN/McALLEN; ATKINSON, CHAPMAN, SMITH & HICKS. (Last four are Yorkshire planters) -------------------------------------------------------------- Some English maternal lines that may have come to colonial New Eng: BIGG(E) and MARTIN from Kent; HENCHMAN/HINKESMAN from Gloucestershire; WOOD from Derbyshire. -------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for **WHITMORE / WETMORE** ca 1585-1640 in the City of Bristol - Somersetshire - the West of England - Wales; DWIGHT, GOODWIN & WHITE in Essex; HAVILAND in Salisbury, Wilts.; Poole, Dorset; DE HAVILLAND in Guernsey, Channel Is.; FLYNT in Derbyshire; STOW & HALL in Kent; HOAR in Gloucs; PARTRIDGE in Northumb. -------------------------------------------------------------- She had southern roots, as many Washington cave dwellers do. Her father could bore a man to death at a hundred yards tracing his family tree back to the Precambrian era. -- Christopher Buckley, _Little Green Men_, p. 13 ==============================================================

In a message dated Mon, 25 Feb 2002 7:53:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Norma Unger" <[email protected]> writes: << I would be interested in knowing just who all from Middletown went to Turin, as there seem to have been quite a few. >> The family of Samuel Plum and Hannah Scovil first removed from Middletown to Amsterdam, NY in 1798, then went to West Turin in 1804. Samuel was the son of Samuel Plum and Lucy Hinsdale. Dona Ritchie

Jane, I would be interested in knowing just who all from Middletown went to Turin, as there seem to have been quite a few. My Turin ancestors were Jeduthan Higby and Jeduthan Higby, Jr. (b 1788 Middletown), who was married to Florenda Ragan in early 1800s, in Turin I believe. She died there eventually, but he seems to have left that family and gone South, in the 1830s or even earlier, as he has two more wives/families in Virginia. No divorce papers found yet, probably don't exist. These Higbys were ministers. Jed, Jr. is found in the Virginia census' for 1840 and 1850. Norma Unger