Joseph Wickham Hubbard was born about 1802. He married Susan Mary Carrington in October 1830 in Middletown. Sue Woodworth

In a message dated 4/21/02 12:02:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I am looking for information about J.W.Hubbard's parents and grandparents. It appears that a Joseph Hubbard II married a Sara Brooks about 1801 in Middletown. Sara's parents are Jabez and Sara Smith Brooks III. I think they alslo were in Middletown. I have nothing to indicate where J W. Hubbard's paternal grandparents lived. There appear to be a group of Hubbards liviing in Dutchess County, NY, but I can't seem to find a Joseph in the group. >> In the Barbour Collection for Middletown it shows Joseph 2d m Sarah BROOKS on May 26, 1796. When was J W Hubbard born? I have a few of them listed, but I'm having a problem figuring out what generation he fits into? To see the rest of the Barbour collection, don't forget to use Jane's website at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin (At the very bottom of her site's front page, check out the websites on the Genealogical Gleanings Award page, too.) Coralynn

I am looking for information about J.W.Hubbard's parents and grandparents. It appears that a Joseph Hubbard II married a Sara Brooks about 1801 in Middletown. Sara's parents are Jabez and Sara Smith Brooks III. I think they alslo were in Middletown. I have nothing to indicate where J W. Hubbard's paternal grandparents lived. There appear to be a group of Hubbards liviing in Dutchess County, NY, but I can't seem to find a Joseph in the group. I wouuld be grateful for any suggestions. Thank you Sue Woodworth [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Porter, Burch Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xY.2ADI/411 Message Board Post: Searching for relatives of Levi G. Porter, born in CT in 1812, and Eliza Burch, born in NY about 1820. They married and migrated to Indiana where they raised their family in St. Joseph County. Levi died in Kankakee, IL, in May of 1898, and was survided by his wife and six sons.

I just uploaded the Saybrook Barbour Records for surnames beginning with E to J to the site. Once again, thanks to the hard work and fast typing of Coralynn Brown. Enjoy. Jane list mom http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

Hi Gene, Your story reminds me of an Italian friend of ours. Everyone knows him as Iano (pronounced Yanno), but his given name is really Sebastiano. It's a lot like the Anna/Sebastiana switch. This goes for many ethnic groups. I almost missed my British grandmother on the Ellis Island site, because she is on the ship's manifest as Nellie, but her name is Ellen! Betsey and Eliza can often be nicknames for Elizabeth, as well. Lois -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Breindel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CTMID] Many thanks Hello again lists, As many suggested I went back again to the Ellis Island website. I had been there about 6 months ago looking for Guisseppe RANNO. I had found a couple of them back then and one that looked correct for his age but his wife's name didn't match up. My wife and her 1st cousin and the headstone all told me her name was ANNA. While in Middletown this past Easter I went to the Godfrey Genealogy Library and did some research. I couldn't get to the microfilm census as they were both in use. I did find the city directories though and started copying them. Later in the day when a microfilm reader opened up I dug out the 1920 census. Lo and behold the members of the household replied to the census taker that her name was Sebastiana. Her husband and children's names and ages all matched up to my records. I really didn't think my wife and her cousin would accept that they didn't really know their grandmother's correct name. She died when the were about 8 and they called her "! Nunee". This did not surprise me as I have run into that situation before in my family tree. Now after reading your posts that I should go Ellis island, I did. I actually had the correct person 6 months ago. I saved the records and manifests in my Ellis Island personal file and it has given me enough to do for a long time. I just spent another hour there trying to write this e-mail. ;o) My how Genealogical time flies! Thanks again! Gene Breindel [email protected] Interested in Families: Breindel, Walker, Weidenboerner,Stauffer, Cobble, Grammer, Loichinger, Seel, Bopp, Eder, Meisel, Ranno, LaBella, DiBattista, Lucenti, Quadarelia & Romano http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/e/Eugene-F-Breindel/ Someday YOU'LL be an ancestor too! ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== You can search the archives for the list at http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello again lists, As many suggested I went back again to the Ellis Island website. I had been there about 6 months ago looking for Guisseppe RANNO. I had found a couple of them back then and one that looked correct for his age but his wife's name didn't match up. My wife and her 1st cousin and the headstone all told me her name was ANNA. While in Middletown this past Easter I went to the Godfrey Genealogy Library and did some research. I couldn't get to the microfilm census as they were both in use. I did find the city directories though and started copying them. Later in the day when a microfilm reader opened up I dug out the 1920 census. Lo and behold the members of the household replied to the census taker that her name was Sebastiana. Her husband and children's names and ages all matched up to my records. I really didn't think my wife and her cousin would accept that they didn't really know their grandmother's correct name. She died when the were about 8 and they called her "! Nunee". This did not surprise me as I have run into that situation before in my family tree. Now after reading your posts that I should go Ellis island, I did. I actually had the correct person 6 months ago. I saved the records and manifests in my Ellis Island personal file and it has given me enough to do for a long time. I just spent another hour there trying to write this e-mail. ;o) My how Genealogical time flies! Thanks again! Gene Breindel [email protected] Interested in Families: Breindel, Walker, Weidenboerner,Stauffer, Cobble, Grammer, Loichinger, Seel, Bopp, Eder, Meisel, Ranno, LaBella, DiBattista, Lucenti, Quadarelia & Romano http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/e/Eugene-F-Breindel/ Someday YOU'LL be an ancestor too!

In the Jas. Carnahan Wetmore 1861 genealogy, she is given as "KATHERINE LEET, wid. of Mr. Robards." "Mrs. Catharine Leet, third wife of Thomas Whitmore, died Oct. 13, 1693; her will was made Aug. 14, 1688, by which she bequeathed her property to her first children, William, Samuel and John Robards, and her last children, Benjamin, Abigail and Hannah Whitmore." I don't see why, if there had been an intervening LEET(E) marriage, she was called the "widow of Mr. Robards." In the Middlesex Vital Records that Jane posted 8/24/99: "Wettmore, Thomas Senior married Leeke, Katterne 8 Oct 1673 [this name has sometimes been read as Leete]" This suggests that LEET(E)/LEEKE was her most recent married name. But could LEEKE/LEET(E) have been her maiden name? Hmmm. Note also the ROBARDS spelling, which is sometimes given as ROBARTS. Benjamin/3 WETMORE (Thomas/1, Samuel/2) m. 1719 Marcy ROBERTS, d/o Samuel and Mary. Perhaps it's the same ROBERTS family. Best, Warren Wetmore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Harris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:20 PM Subject: [CTMID] Roberts-Leete-Wetmore-Butler | Am trying to find parents of: | Katherine(Catherine)-possibly BUTLER | She was b. abt 1642 in England, d. 13 Oct 1693 in | Middletown. | Married 1) Mr. (?) ROBERTS of England, b. abt 1638 | They had sons: | 1-William b. 1664 of Middletown-md. Dorothy FORBES | & d. 1635 | 2-Samuel b. 1666 of Middletown-md. 22 Sep 1691-Mercy | or Martha BLAKE, d. 21 Feb 1739 | 3-John b. 1668 of Middletown-md. 27 Dec 1693-Sarah | BLAKE | | Catherine md. 2) Mr. (?) LEETE - no issue | | Catherine md. 3) Thomas WETMORE(Whitmore,etc.) | He was b. 1615, d. 11 Dec 1681 & md. 1)Sarah Hall & | Mary Platt before marrying Catherine Leete. | Children: | Benjamin 1674; Abigail 1678 & Hannah 1680. | | Would like to find name of Mr. Leete, but especially | would like to find her Roberts' husband's lineage and | if her maiden name was Butler. | Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Renee |

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lucas, Walker, Fish Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/410.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: John: You wrote: <<Hey peter: i was wondering, if you could pass on that list of fanny's descendants.>> Which I submitted, and then you wrote: <<Hey peter: I didn't want a list of names.>> I know you didn't mean to be rude, but I went to a little trouble to give you that list of Fanny' descendants, which was what you asked for. Conceivably it might have been of some use to you: how was I to know? And it may make a connection for someone else. Anyway, to the point: no, I don't know who her parents were. I believe her to have been born in Middletown, CT, based on a family tree my grandmother made about 50 years ago, which was based on family sources that aren't around any more, but there were a lot of Lucases in Middletown around that time (1812), according to the federal census. Fanny is how she appears in the 1860 census and in our family records, but it may have been a nickname.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/410.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hey peter: I didn't want a list of names. I just wanted to know if you knew, who her Parents were. So i can see if i can find a connection. And if fanny is her,real name?

Am trying to find parents of: Katherine(Catherine)-possibly BUTLER She was b. abt 1642 in England, d. 13 Oct 1693 in Middletown. Married 1) Mr. (?) ROBERTS of England, b. abt 1638 They had sons: 1-William b. 1664 of Middletown-md. Dorothy FORBES & d. 1635 2-Samuel b. 1666 of Middletown-md. 22 Sep 1691-Mercy or Martha BLAKE, d. 21 Feb 1739 3-John b. 1668 of Middletown-md. 27 Dec 1693-Sarah BLAKE Catherine md. 2) Mr. (?) LEETE - no issue Catherine md. 3) Thomas WETMORE(Whitmore,etc.) He was b. 1615, d. 11 Dec 1681 & md. 1)Sarah Hall & Mary Platt before marrying Catherine Leete. Children: Benjamin 1674; Abigail 1678 & Hannah 1680. Would like to find name of Mr. Leete, but especially would like to find her Roberts' husband's lineage and if her maiden name was Butler. Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Renee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

> birth certificates or naturalization papers. Her paternal grandparents both > came from Melilli, Sicily. I am told that it was a tiny mountain village. > They came to Middletown in the time between 1906 and 1920. Gene, welcome to the list.. Have you tried the Ellis Island site at http://www.ellisisland.org/ yet? You might be able to find them there as I believe that was the principal point of entry during the time period you specify. Good luck! Jane list mom http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Walker, Lucas, Bradford, Fish, Brown Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/410.1.1 Message Board Post: This is pretty large: if it doesn't transmit OK, Email me your address and I'll send it to you. This list is more complete for my own line, through Juliette Walker. John P. Walker b. 29 Feb 1812, Vermont d. 1877, Carpinteria, Santa Barbara, CA & Fanny Lucas b. 1812, Middletown, CN (Thetford, VT?) d. 1881, Carpinteria, Santa Barbara, CA | Juliette Walker | b. 10 Jul 1846, Waterloo, Jefferson, WI | d. 22 Jul 1934, Carpinteria, CA | & Henry Fish | b. 27 May 1844, Sangerfield, Oneida, NY | d. 25 Jun 1927, Carpinteria CA | | Benjamin Harrison Fish | | b. 20 Nov 1888, Carpinteria, Santa Barbara, CA | | d. 14 Dec 1968, Ojai, Ventura, CA | | & Isabel Cromwell Morton | | b. 24 Dec 1887, Turner, Androscoggin, ME | | d. Jan 1958, Ojai, Ventura, CA | | m. 5 Sep 1912, South Paris, Oxford, ME | | | George Fish* | | | b. 11 Sep 1913, Santa Barbara, CA | | | d. 3 Oct 1963, Santa Barbara, CA | | | & Ruth (Steffi) Nordli | | | b. 19 Nov 1913, Salt Lake City, UT | | | d. 12 Jun 1988, Toluca Lake, CA | | | m. 1934, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, CA | | | div. 1939, Reno, NV | | | | Peter Fish* | | | | b. 8 Apr 1936, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | & Gillian Streatfeild | | | | b. 24 May 1938, Cornwall, England | | | | m. 29 Jun 1956, Los Angeles, CA | | | | div. ? 1968, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | | Lisa Victoria Fish | | | | | b. 5 Mar 1958 | | | | | & Mark Grinnell | | | | | m. 1984 | | | | | div. 1987 | | | | | | Lindsey Grinnell | | | | | | b. 7 Feb 1985 | | | | | | Sean Grinnell | | | | | | b. Sep 1987 | | | | | Katherine Anne Fish | | | | | b. 27 May 1959 | | | | | & Walter Requejo | | | | | b. Feb 1958 | | | | | m. 1978, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | | div. 1999, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | | | Christopher John Requejo | | | | | | b. 29 Jun 1979 | | | | | | & Monica | | | | | | m. Aug 2000 | | | | | | Jason Philip Requejo | | | | | | b. 17 Dec 1980 | | | | | | Allison Requejo | | | | | | b. 25 Jun 1983 | | | | | Rebecca Jane Fish | | | | | b. 19 Apr 1961 | | | | | & Joseph Ewan | | | | | b. 31 Dec 1963, Phoenix AZ | | | | | m. 9 Mar 1996, Phoenix AZ | | | | | | Isabel Caitlin Ewan | | | | | | b. 1 Jun 1997 | | | | | | Keegan Joseph Fish Ewan | | | | | | b. Sep 2001 | | | | | Jeremy Morton Fish* | | | | | b. 12 Jun 1964 | | | | | & Nancy McCarthy | | | | | m. Aug 1988, Cooperstown NY | | | | | div. 1994 | | | | | Jeremy Morton Fish* | | | | | b. 12 Jun 1964 | | | | | & Susan Jun | | | | | b. 21 Dec 1962, Korea | | | | | m. 1997, Carpinteria, CA | | | | | | Benjamin Jun Fish | | | | | | b. 9 Jun 1999 | | | | Peter Fish* | | | | b. 8 Apr 1936, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | & Jan Granger | | | | b. 19 Aug 1949, San Mateo, CA | | | | m. 12 May 1977, Crescent City CA | | | | | Thomas Russell Granger Fish | | | | | b. 16 Dec 1981 | | | George Fish* | | | b. 11 Sep 1913, Santa Barbara, CA | | | d. 3 Oct 1963, Santa Barbara, CA | | | & Hybernia Hudson | | | b. 19 Aug 1910, Greensboro, Iford, NC | | | d. 31 Jan 1974, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, CA | | | m. 14 Nov 1940, High Point, Guilford, NC | | | | Carolyn Hudson Fish | | | | b. 15 Apr 1942 | | | | & Hugh Fitzrandolph Vail III | | | | b. abt 1942, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, CA | | | | m. Apr 1961 | | | | | Hugh Fitzrandolph “Randy) Vail | | | | | b. 1962 | | | | | & Cricket | | | | | | April Vail | | | | | | Tanner Vail | | | | | Robert Vail | | | | | & Monica | | | | | | Spencer Vail | | | | | | Michael Vail | | | | | | Tyler Vail | | | | | David Vail | | | | | b. abt Jul 1966 | | | | | & Janice | | | | | Christine Vail | | | | | & Jeff | | | | | | Justin | | | | | | Alie | | | | | | Madie | | | | | | Jamie | | | | | | Ashley | | | | | | Lindsey | | | | | Stephen Vail | | | | | & Jen | | | | | | Alexa Vail | | Hester Stephens Fish | | b. 4 Nov 1875 | | d. 1952 | | Henry Berrien Fish | | b. 20 Jul 1879 | | d. Sep 1931 | | Frances Walker Fish | | b. 1 May 1882 | | d. ? | | & Will Brown | | | Robert W. Brown | | | b. 1908 | | | Edwin Brown | | | b. 1911 | | | Henry McLaren Brown | | | b. 1912 | | | Margaret Brown | | | b. 1914 | | | Thomas Brown | | | b. 1915 | | | Dick Brown | | | b. 1918 | | | Warren Brown | | | b. 1922 | | | Ralph Brown | | | b. 1923 | | | Donald Brown | | | b. 1926 | | Thomas Nathaniel Fish | | b. 3 Dec 1888 | | d. 6 Jun 1936 | | Julia Fish | | b. 3 Feb 1886 | | d. 1952 | | John Fish | | b. 3 Feb 1886 | | d. 1886 | Sophie Walker | b. 1844 | & William Bradford | b. Clinton, ME | | Nellie Bradford | | Emmaline Bradford | | & George Tower | | John Bradford | | & Dotty Gray | | Kitty Bradford | | Jane Bradford | | Ida Bradford | | Grace Bradford | | b. 1878 | | & Albert Watts | | Charles Bradford | | Will Bradford | John Alpheus Walker | b. 1848 | & Belle Smith | b. 1847, New Hampshire | d. 1927 | | Mary Walker | | d. 1900 | | Alice Walker | | b. 1874 | | d. 1947 | | Kate Walker | Emmeline Walker | b. 1851

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/410.1 Message Board Post: Hey peter: i was wondering, if you could pass on that list of fanny's descendants.

Hi Gene, Have you tried the Ellis Island web site? It's free, although they want you to register. You can do name searches of the passenger lists. Sometimes one has to try several surname spellings, and try again and again; but the right people may come up right away. For most of the ships the original passenger list can be viewed; these often give information on the names of other family members and the addresses they are coming from and going to. Lois -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Breindel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CTMID] Hello Hello list, My name is Gene Breindel and have recently joined this list. My wife is Italian, (Ranno, Labella, DiBattista, Lucenti). She was born in Meriden and lived half of her childhood there and the other half in Middletown. Her parents were born in Middletown and New Britain in the 1920's but all her grandparents were born in Italy. At least as far as I know. I have no birth certificates or naturalization papers. Her paternal grandparents both came from Melilli, Sicily. I am told that it was a tiny mountain village. They came to Middletown in the time between 1906 and 1920. I recently went to the Genealogy library in Middletown and looked in the census and in the town directories to try and isolate when they arrived. I got a lot of useful information but still do not know exactly when they arrived. Anyway, I am glad to have joined. Gene Breindel [email protected] Interested in Families: Breindel, Walker, Weidenboerner,Stauffer, Cobble, Grammer, Loichinger, Seel, Bopp, Eder, Meisel http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/e/Eugene-F-Breindel/ Someday YOU'LL be an ancestor too! ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== Visit the Godfrey Memorial Library Website http://www.godfrey.org Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello list, My name is Gene Breindel and have recently joined this list. My wife is Italian, (Ranno, Labella, DiBattista, Lucenti). She was born in Meriden and lived half of her childhood there and the other half in Middletown. Her parents were born in Middletown and New Britain in the 1920's but all her grandparents were born in Italy. At least as far as I know. I have no birth certificates or naturalization papers. Her paternal grandparents both came from Melilli, Sicily. I am told that it was a tiny mountain village. They came to Middletown in the time between 1906 and 1920. I recently went to the Genealogy library in Middletown and looked in the census and in the town directories to try and isolate when they arrived. I got a lot of useful information but still do not know exactly when they arrived. Anyway, I am glad to have joined. Gene Breindel [email protected] Interested in Families: Breindel, Walker, Weidenboerner,Stauffer, Cobble, Grammer, Loichinger, Seel, Bopp, Eder, Meisel http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/e/Eugene-F-Breindel/ Someday YOU'LL be an ancestor too!

The C & D surnames for Saybrook are now on Jane's Site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin

Hi list! I'm new to the CTMIDDLE list and was hoping to find some record of my Penney family in Middletown, Middlesex County. My dad, William Penney, was born in 1941 in Middletown to Frank and Mae(nee Harrington) Penney. Other children of Frank and Mae are Albert, Beth, Joyce and Sharon. Frank's brother Eben Penney died in Middletown. Any help from directories, vital records, census, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Christine Elkins San Luis Obispo, CA

Coralynn has started to transcribe the Barbour Records from Saybrook. Surnames beginning with A & B are now on line. I've also posted a file on Early Militia in Hartford Co. which has information on towns that are now in Middlesex Co. Jane list mom http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lucas, Walker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/105.1 Message Board Post: I have a Lucas from Middletown, my GGgrandmother, Fanny Lucas Walker, and I have plenty of information about her descendants, but none about her ancestors. My source for her Middletown origin is my grandmother's family tree of ca. 1950, and she was pretty careful. It probably came out of family records, and it is corroborated in the 1860 census. Otherwise, I might have thought she came from the Thetford, VT branch of the family, which is closer to Vershire, VT, where her husband-to-be was born. But people traveled around a lot in those days, visiting outlying relatives, and she may have been visiting cousins when they met. Someone should write a book on how people met in the early days, when travel was so difficult. Most of the time they married people from the next farm or in the same village, but a lot of times they didn't