I do not quite understand how nudists do not know about www.google.com and how they can have most of their questions answered. IF you had put the info in quotes along with the quotes you would have found it....http://www.ctrivervalley.com/4/historic_places/ <A HREF="http://www.ctrivervalley.com/4/historic_places/">Historic landmarks in Connecticut River Valley Region of Southern New England</A> to get that information I am sure you will have to call them and see if they are willing to tell you. Have you done a phone book and school search yet? > Can anyone tell me what the "John Stanton House" in Clinton is (was) and how > I might find info. on someone who worked there? > Thank you. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/xY.2ADI/417 Message Board Post: Can anyone tell me what the "John Stanton House" in Clinton is (was) and how I might find info. on someone who worked there? Thank you. Kim

Hi Christie, Once your have given your father the book, he may be able to help you find more of the information himself. When he was telling you about his family little details like when and where someone married might not have seemed important. He probably didn't even give them a thought. You may just need to ask the right questions to get the information. Even if a person does not know the answer, there is a possiblity they my remember it later on once they have a chance to think about it. You sais that your aunt told you the chuch where her parents married had burned down and the records destroyed. The chuch records may have been destroyed but that would not affect the government records. Every clergyman has to file a record with the local clerk when they perform a marriage. Before anyone marries, they must get a marriage license. These records still exist. Ask your aunt the name of the town in which the church was located and the name of the church. Was your father's Uncle Bob a part of the Penny family or part of the Harrington family. I would suggest that you get the complete death record for every relative you know. Death records are a good source of genelogical information about the spouse of the decease and the parents of the deceased. While the records may contain the same basic information, the actual information my be slightly different. I found the name of the town in which my grandmother was born on my uncle's birth record. All the other records pertaining to her just gave the name of the provence in Canada. Marilyn CT On Fri, 10 May 2002 09:45:43 -0700 Chris Elkins <[email protected]> writes: > Marilyn, > > Thank you for the response. > > I have researched my family line back to the early 1600's. Where I > am > running into difficulty is when my grandfather came to the US (from > Newfoundland). He came over with his brother around 1925, then > several > years later, according to information in Newfoundland, my > great-grandparents came over with two daughters. At that point, my > family pretty much disappears. I can not seem to locate ANY > information > on this family other than verbal info my father and aunts have gievn > me. > They didn't even know what their grandfather's name was. The only > information I have on them comes from my father and an old > navigation > book passed down through the generations. This pointed me to > Newfoundland where the listers there have been amazingly helpful. > My > grandfather (Frank Penney)was supposedly in the Merchant Marines and > was > rarely home. My father tells me he was born and grew up in > Middletown > and has told me stories of his childhood but doesn't know much about > his > family other than he had an Uncle Bob. My aunts claim that the > church > where my grandparents married had burnt down and that the records > were > destroyed. This really isn't much to go on especially since I live > in > California. > > I have been compiling this family history for quite some time and > was > planning on giving him a family history album for Father's Day. I > would > have liked to have at least been able to tell him when and where > his > parents were married, and what happened to his grandparents, and > aunts. > I know his uncle had married and passed away in Middleton as I have > located his SSDI. > > I only met my grandfather Frank twice, and was lucky to have my > children > meet their great grandma Mae before she passed away. > > Thank you. > Christine Elkins > > > > b.com wrote: > > > > Subject: > > > > CTMIDDLE-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue > 105 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [CTMID] Middletown look up [Chris Elkins > <[email protected]>] > > #2 Re: [CTMID] Middletown look up [[email protected]] > > #3 [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHG [[email protected]] > > #4 Re: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in > [[email protected]] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from CTMIDDLE-D, send a message to > > > > [email protected] > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your > software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: [CTMID] Middletown look up > > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:15 -0700 > > From: Chris Elkins <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi list: > > > > I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are > there any > > volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals for > me? > > Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school there. > Does > > anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. > > > > William Frederick Penney (my Dad) > > Albert Penney (his older brother) > > Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) > > Joyce Penney (sister) > > Sharon Penney (sister) > > > > Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. A > > marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. > > > > Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! > > Christine Elkins > > San Luis Obispo, California > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Re: [CTMID] Middletown look up > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:19:24 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > Chris, > > > > I went back and read your first posting. The information for which > you > > are asking is too current. It affects living people. Birth records > in CT > > are closed for 100 years. Personally, I don't even look up this > type of > > information for others. > > > > However there are things you can do for yourself. First you can > get a > > copy of your father's birth certificate. No one else can get it > for you. > > Second you can get a copy of your grandfathers death > certificate.For > > information on how to do this go to website for the City of > Middletown at > > www.cityofmiddletown.com Look for Vital records. It is part of > the > > Health Department. All vital records in CT are found in the town > where > > the event occurred. There are no county records. > > > > Second contact you relatives and find out as much information > about the > > family from your aunts, uncles and cousins. Find out vital > information > > about you aunts and uncles from their families. Since your father > was > > born in the 1940's try to find out the name of the hospital where > he was > > born. Don't assume it was in Middletown. He could just have easily > been > > born in a hospital in Hartford or New Britain, or even Meridan (if > there > > was a hospital there) The more you know about your dad's siblings, > the > > more you will know about your family. Two important questions to > ask > > about the birth, death, or marriage of any relative in the 20th > century > > is where did it happen and where was the family living at the > time. For > > instance when my mom passed away in the mid 1990, she died in a > New > > Britain Hospital, but her residence was Newington. Be willing to > share > > information about your family with your relatives. > > > > As you get information from your family, use the information to > find > > obituaries and to locate the family in the census records. > > > > Third, look for your family by focusing on your grandfather and > > grandmother. You said that your grandfather had a brother who > died in > > Middletown, but you don't say when. Types of information to > include are > > names, birth and death years or approximate estimate, and > recognizable > > stories that others in the family micght also know, Places they > lived. > > Anything that will help others recognize your unique family as > their > > unique family. This also will help to take the focus off living > > individuals. Many people don't like it when relatives publicly > disclose > > their personal information. And it is something that is frowned > upon by > > genealogists. > > > > Hope this helps some. > > > > Marilyn > > CT > > > > On Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:15 -0700 Chris Elkins > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Hi list: > > > > > > I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are > there > > > any > > > volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals > for > > > me? > > > Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school > there. > > > Does > > > anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. > > > > > > William Frederick Penney (my Dad) > > > Albert Penney (his older brother) > > > Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) > > > Joyce Penney (sister) > > > Sharon Penney (sister) > > > > > > Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. > A > > > marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. > > > > > > Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! > > > Christine Elkins > > > San Luis Obispo, California > > > > > > > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > You can search the archives for the list at > > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHGR? > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 02:09:18 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years of > the NEHGS > > "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and > Gay families > > of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I > think I read it > > in that publication. The Denver Public Library is currently > binding those > > two years, so I can't check for it. It was a followup to an > earlier article > > a decade ago on the same families. If anyone could provide the > bibliographic > > citation for the article, I'll be ready to check it when the > Register is back > > on DPL's shelves. Thanks for any help. - Jim Rogers > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Re: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHGR? > > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:40:42 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years > of the NEHGS > > > "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and > Gay families > > > of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I > think I read it > > > in that publication. > > > > Do you have an estimate of which year? I have the last eight > issues. > > > > Jane > > list mom > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > For anyone who missed them, Robert Squire has posted images of > Middlesex County section of John Warner Barber's Connecticut > Historical Collections at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ctimages/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Christine, Have you tried contacting the merchant marines to get his service records? The merchant marines are now recognising and paying sailors for their service during WWII, so they must have records. My uncle was a merchant marine, so if you can't locate the organization, let me know and I will ask him. Susan Sellew --- You wrote: Marilyn, Thank you for the response. I have researched my family line back to the early 1600's. Where I am running into difficulty is when my grandfather came to the US (from Newfoundland). He came over with his brother around 1925, then several years later, according to information in Newfoundland, my great-grandparents came over with two daughters. At that point, my family pretty much disappears. I can not seem to locate ANY information on this family other than verbal info my father and aunts have gievn me. They didn't even know what their grandfather's name was. The only information I have on them comes from my father and an old navigation book passed down through the generations. This pointed me to Newfoundland where the listers there have been amazingly helpful. My grandfather (Frank Penney)was supposedly in the Merchant Marines and was rarely home. My father tells me he was born and grew up in Middletown and has told me stories of his childhood but doesn't know much about his family other than he had an Uncle Bob. My aunts claim that the church where my grandparents married had burnt down and that the records were destroyed. This really isn't much to go on especially since I live in California. I have been compiling this family history for quite some time and was planning on giving him a family history album for Father's Day. I would have liked to have at least been able to tell him when and where his parents were married, and what happened to his grandparents, and aunts. I know his uncle had married and passed away in Middleton as I have located his SSDI. I only met my grandfather Frank twice, and was lucky to have my children meet their great grandma Mae before she passed away. Thank you. Christine Elkins --- end of quote ---

Marilyn, Thank you for the response. I have researched my family line back to the early 1600's. Where I am running into difficulty is when my grandfather came to the US (from Newfoundland). He came over with his brother around 1925, then several years later, according to information in Newfoundland, my great-grandparents came over with two daughters. At that point, my family pretty much disappears. I can not seem to locate ANY information on this family other than verbal info my father and aunts have gievn me. They didn't even know what their grandfather's name was. The only information I have on them comes from my father and an old navigation book passed down through the generations. This pointed me to Newfoundland where the listers there have been amazingly helpful. My grandfather (Frank Penney)was supposedly in the Merchant Marines and was rarely home. My father tells me he was born and grew up in Middletown and has told me stories of his childhood but doesn't know much about his family other than he had an Uncle Bob. My aunts claim that the church where my grandparents married had burnt down and that the records were destroyed. This really isn't much to go on especially since I live in California. I have been compiling this family history for quite some time and was planning on giving him a family history album for Father's Day. I would have liked to have at least been able to tell him when and where his parents were married, and what happened to his grandparents, and aunts. I know his uncle had married and passed away in Middleton as I have located his SSDI. I only met my grandfather Frank twice, and was lucky to have my children meet their great grandma Mae before she passed away. Thank you. Christine Elkins [email protected] wrote: > > Subject: > > CTMIDDLE-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 105 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [CTMID] Middletown look up [Chris Elkins <[email protected]>] > #2 Re: [CTMID] Middletown look up [[email protected]] > #3 [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHG [[email protected]] > #4 Re: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CTMIDDLE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CTMID] Middletown look up > Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:15 -0700 > From: Chris Elkins <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi list: > > I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are there any > volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals for me? > Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school there. Does > anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. > > William Frederick Penney (my Dad) > Albert Penney (his older brother) > Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) > Joyce Penney (sister) > Sharon Penney (sister) > > Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. A > marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. > > Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! > Christine Elkins > San Luis Obispo, California > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [CTMID] Middletown look up > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:19:24 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Chris, > > I went back and read your first posting. The information for which you > are asking is too current. It affects living people. Birth records in CT > are closed for 100 years. Personally, I don't even look up this type of > information for others. > > However there are things you can do for yourself. First you can get a > copy of your father's birth certificate. No one else can get it for you. > Second you can get a copy of your grandfathers death certificate.For > information on how to do this go to website for the City of Middletown at > www.cityofmiddletown.com Look for Vital records. It is part of the > Health Department. All vital records in CT are found in the town where > the event occurred. There are no county records. > > Second contact you relatives and find out as much information about the > family from your aunts, uncles and cousins. Find out vital information > about you aunts and uncles from their families. Since your father was > born in the 1940's try to find out the name of the hospital where he was > born. Don't assume it was in Middletown. He could just have easily been > born in a hospital in Hartford or New Britain, or even Meridan (if there > was a hospital there) The more you know about your dad's siblings, the > more you will know about your family. Two important questions to ask > about the birth, death, or marriage of any relative in the 20th century > is where did it happen and where was the family living at the time. For > instance when my mom passed away in the mid 1990, she died in a New > Britain Hospital, but her residence was Newington. Be willing to share > information about your family with your relatives. > > As you get information from your family, use the information to find > obituaries and to locate the family in the census records. > > Third, look for your family by focusing on your grandfather and > grandmother. You said that your grandfather had a brother who died in > Middletown, but you don't say when. Types of information to include are > names, birth and death years or approximate estimate, and recognizable > stories that others in the family micght also know, Places they lived. > Anything that will help others recognize your unique family as their > unique family. This also will help to take the focus off living > individuals. Many people don't like it when relatives publicly disclose > their personal information. And it is something that is frowned upon by > genealogists. > > Hope this helps some. > > Marilyn > CT > > On Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:15 -0700 Chris Elkins <[email protected]> > writes: > > Hi list: > > > > I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are there > > any > > volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals for > > me? > > Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school there. > > Does > > anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. > > > > William Frederick Penney (my Dad) > > Albert Penney (his older brother) > > Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) > > Joyce Penney (sister) > > Sharon Penney (sister) > > > > Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. A > > marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. > > > > Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! > > Christine Elkins > > San Luis Obispo, California > > > > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > You can search the archives for the list at > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHGR? > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 02:09:18 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years of the NEHGS > "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and Gay families > of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I think I read it > in that publication. The Denver Public Library is currently binding those > two years, so I can't check for it. It was a followup to an earlier article > a decade ago on the same families. If anyone could provide the bibliographic > citation for the article, I'll be ready to check it when the Register is back > on DPL's shelves. Thanks for any help. - Jim Rogers > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [CTMID] Re: Borden Article in NEHGR? > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:40:42 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years of the NEHGS > > "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and Gay families > > of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I think I read it > > in that publication. > > Do you have an estimate of which year? I have the last eight issues. > > Jane > list mom > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xY.2ADI/415 Message Board Post: Some might want to know there are several old items on ebay such as old post cards for Middlesex and an 1879 First Congregational church history book. They are not my items, I just hate seeing them go to collectors that would hoard our family information. Just type in Haddam Ct. , don't check the "in titles and description box" it brings up too many results that don't partain to genealogy. Hope that helps, Jamie

> Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years of the NEHGS > "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and Gay families > of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I think I read it > in that publication. Do you have an estimate of which year? I have the last eight issues. Jane list mom http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

Hi all. Does anyone have ready access to the last couple years of the NEHGS "Register?" I had read an article about the Borden/Baldwin and Gay families of New England (some were in East Haddam and Saybrook), and I think I read it in that publication. The Denver Public Library is currently binding those two years, so I can't check for it. It was a followup to an earlier article a decade ago on the same families. If anyone could provide the bibliographic citation for the article, I'll be ready to check it when the Register is back on DPL's shelves. Thanks for any help. - Jim Rogers

Chris, I went back and read your first posting. The information for which you are asking is too current. It affects living people. Birth records in CT are closed for 100 years. Personally, I don't even look up this type of information for others. However there are things you can do for yourself. First you can get a copy of your father's birth certificate. No one else can get it for you. Second you can get a copy of your grandfathers death certificate.For information on how to do this go to website for the City of Middletown at www.cityofmiddletown.com Look for Vital records. It is part of the Health Department. All vital records in CT are found in the town where the event occurred. There are no county records. Second contact you relatives and find out as much information about the family from your aunts, uncles and cousins. Find out vital information about you aunts and uncles from their families. Since your father was born in the 1940's try to find out the name of the hospital where he was born. Don't assume it was in Middletown. He could just have easily been born in a hospital in Hartford or New Britain, or even Meridan (if there was a hospital there) The more you know about your dad's siblings, the more you will know about your family. Two important questions to ask about the birth, death, or marriage of any relative in the 20th century is where did it happen and where was the family living at the time. For instance when my mom passed away in the mid 1990, she died in a New Britain Hospital, but her residence was Newington. Be willing to share information about your family with your relatives. As you get information from your family, use the information to find obituaries and to locate the family in the census records. Third, look for your family by focusing on your grandfather and grandmother. You said that your grandfather had a brother who died in Middletown, but you don't say when. Types of information to include are names, birth and death years or approximate estimate, and recognizable stories that others in the family micght also know, Places they lived. Anything that will help others recognize your unique family as their unique family. This also will help to take the focus off living individuals. Many people don't like it when relatives publicly disclose their personal information. And it is something that is frowned upon by genealogists. Hope this helps some. Marilyn CT On Wed, 08 May 2002 18:05:15 -0700 Chris Elkins <[email protected]> writes: > Hi list: > > I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are there > any > volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals for > me? > Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school there. > Does > anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. > > William Frederick Penney (my Dad) > Albert Penney (his older brother) > Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) > Joyce Penney (sister) > Sharon Penney (sister) > > Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. A > marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. > > Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! > Christine Elkins > San Luis Obispo, California > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for the list at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi list: I am still searching for information on my Penney family. Are there any volunteers on the list that would be willing to look up vitals for me? Also, I believe my father and his siblings attended school there. Does anyone have old year books from probably the late 50's. William Frederick Penney (my Dad) Albert Penney (his older brother) Beth Penney (sister- may be Elizabeth) Joyce Penney (sister) Sharon Penney (sister) Their parents were Frank E. Penney and Mae (Harrington) Penney. A marriage record would be great, too if any one has access. Thank you in advance for any time someone might have to offer! Christine Elkins San Luis Obispo, California

Hi...saw the posting for the new Clinton records. What's the URL for the site? I've been hunting for those records for ages! Thanks! Megan

Mercy and Xavier didn't open until ~1962. Woodrow Wilson HS was in the old school house, now apartments, across the street. My grandfather was the architect of that building -- it was built sometime in the 20s, not exactly sure when, but there is a brass plaque inside the front door that would give the date. Susan Sellew --- You wrote: Middletown High School and Woodrow Wilson High. Middletown & Wilson were great rivals for football. Middletown was yellow & black and Wilson was Maroon & Grey (school colors). There are two Catholic Schools as well: Mercy (girls) and Xavier (boys)-not exactly sure when they opened it may have been after the date you are searching. --- end of quote ---

Hello List... Rootsweb has informed me that two other data bases that I submited last night are now on-line. They are: Clinton Town Records 1801-1854 - Births http://userdb.rootsweb.com/births/ Clinton Town Records 1801-1854 - Deaths http://userdb.rootsweb.com/deaths/ I did not put these two data bases on my webpage. Happy Hunting! Janece Carter Streig [email protected] [email protected]/~jcstreig (P.S. I still have more Clinton records to go, but, I need a typing break.)

Hello Everyone! Today was my first day on your list and what a surprise to have Clinton a topic of conversation!! Clinton and my family of GLYNN folk is are the reason I've joined the list! My Grandmother Muriel KERN lived there, too. Frank GLYNN was my uncle.......brother-in-law to my father Bud KERN. I'm trying to find out Uncle Frank's birth and death dates. After using the usual resources on the web, I found at least three different Frank GLYNNs! Is there anyone who can help me with this?????? Uncle Frank was the Post Master in Clinton probably during the 1940s or 50s. He was also a very active amateur archeologist. The last time I saw him, he showed my husband and me his drawings of the Westford Knight. Thank you in advance. Carol Simmons

Early Puritan New England wasn't technically a "theocracy" -- ministers were not allowed to run for political office, and ministers served at the pleasure of their congregations and could be (and often were) dismissed. A true theocracy requires rule by the clergy. Geneva under John Calvin was closer, but even it wasn't a true theocracy, as argued here: http://www.beelerspace.com/papers/Geneva_theocracy.htm Membership in the local church was a necessary but not sufficient *condition* for being elected a freeman and thus being allowed to vote in elections and town meetings. Such membership did not *automatically* confer freemanship on males of voting age -- in MBC freemanship was conferred by the General Court upon taking the freeman's oath, and probably also in Conn. Colony. The inclusion of the children of church members at least for baptism was the purpose of the 1662 Halfway Covenant in MBC. I expect that many churches in CT followed suit. The early churches were Puritan and Calvinist, not exactly "Congregational" in the modern sense. They were not completely autonomous in that they were watched by the colony and other churches to preclude doctrinal deviation. After the Saybrook Platform of 1708 many of the CT churches adopted a Presbyterian form of church governance: today that is congregation-presbytery-synod-General Assembly, but back then it probably was just congregation-presbytery. Finally, "separation of church and state" was not the objective of the Framers and you will not find it in any contemporary account. That phrase is Jefferson's, in a stroking letter to the Danbury Baptists when he was president. Jefferson, recall, was not at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 nor, apparently, was he involved in the drafting of the Bill of Rights, submitted by the 1st Congress to the states in 1789. James Madison was. The Framers meant precisely what they said in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...." Most of them had grown up under established religions in their native colonies and all knew what they were. An established religion is a state religion, supported by taxpayers and often compelling attendance at services. There were too many competing denominations in the new United States for any one of them to be chosen as the national religion. Even so, the Congregational Church was the established religion of Massachusetts until about 1828. In Connecticut it was established until the 1818 state Constitution was adopted. It was only in the 20th Century that the Establishment Clause came to be interpreted so broadly as, for example, to preclude any religious symbols at all on government property. Christmas manger scenes were banished from municipal property. The Village of Zion (IL) was forced to remove a cross from its seal. (I expect eventually the State of Maryland will also be forced to remove the crosses from its flag http://faculty.goucher.edu/eng330/mdflag.gif EVEN THOUGH the flag is based on the coat of arms of George Calvert, 1st Lord Baltimore, and consists of the Calvert arms (gold/yellow and black) -- "paly of six Or and Sable a bend counterchanged" http://www.fotw.ca/images/us-md-lb.gif quartered with the Crossland arms (red and silver/white) of Cecil's mother's family -- quarterly Argent and Gules a cross botonny counterchanged." http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~crosslin/images/bottony.gif The cross bottony in the latter probably was a pun on the family name; such puns were common in arms. Interestingly, the Maryland flag and state arms are the only ones in the US that are purely heraldic. I also discovered today that the arms of New Maryland, NB (founded by Maryland Loyalists) are based on the MD state arms, and additionally allude to the 1821 Wetmore-Street duel fought in New Maryland, in which my GGG Uncle George Ludlow Wetmore, a barrister, found out the hard way that he couldn't shoot as straight as George Frederick Street, also a barrister. Those were the days! when lawyers shot out their disagreements :-) http://www.village.newmaryland.nb.ca/main/cofa.htm Now, were we talking about the Puritans? :-) Yrs aye, Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [CTMID] More Clinton Marriages | Clinton was a part of the town of Kilingworth until 1838 when Clinton was | incorporated as a town and began to keep its own records. Before 1838. | all vitals records for Cinton would be recorded in the town of | Killisworth. Towns in Connecticut have been required by law to keep | birth, marriage, and death records since the mid 1600's. Although the | earliest town governments were run by the local church, the towns were | required to start keeping official town records that were not part of | the church records. This occurred in the same time period that churches | in Wethersfield and Hartford split, and the ministers of the churches and | their loyal followers left the town and took the church records with | them. When Connecticut colony was first settled the local governments | were theocratic. The church was the governing power. | | After reading the early history of Hartford and Wethersfield, and the | problems that arose with this system. The government was "democratic" in | the sense that the people elected the civic leaders. However the only | people who ere allowed to vote were the men who were members of the | church for that location. The early history of this country and the | theocratic local governments is very interesting. It sure gives another | dimension to the insistence by some of the original colonies that the | separation of church and state amendment be added to the U. S. | Constitution before they would accept it. Although people with many | different religious beliefs came to this country in the early 1600's, any | man who wanted to be able to vote had to join the local congregational | church. To join the church he had to be accepted into membership by the | congregation, and that was not easy to do. By the 1650, the local | congregational churches were refusing to accept everybody who wished to | join, and this included the children of their own members. This was also | a time when serious disagreements about church doctrine were raging. I'm | not an expert on this, but I have been reading some about the early | history of Hartford and Wethersfield. It's interesting reading when you | live right where it al happened and you can recognize the places being | described. | | Marilyn | CT

Middletown High School and Woodrow Wilson High. Middletown & Wilson were great rivals for football. Middletown was yellow & black and Wilson was Maroon & Grey (school colors). There are two Catholic Schools as well: Mercy (girls) and Xavier (boys)-not exactly sure when they opened it may have been after the date you are searching. Janice > My father and uncle (Stickles) moved to Middletown at some point during > their childhood. They would have attended school during the period from > 1924 to about 1938. Does anyone have any information about what schools > were in Middletown during that period and how to obtain a listing and/or > school annual of the students attending? Thanks for any info! > > >

Middletown High School and Woodrow Wilson High. Middletown & Wilson were great rivals for football. Middletown was yellow & black and Wilson was Maroon & Grey (school colors). There are two Catholic Schools as well: Mercy (girls) and Xavier (boys)-not exactly sure when they opened it may have been after the date you are searching. Janice > My father and uncle (Stickles) moved to Middletown at some point during > their childhood. They would have attended school during the period from > 1924 to about 1938. Does anyone have any information about what schools > were in Middletown during that period and how to obtain a listing and/or > school annual of the students attending? Thanks for any info! > > >

Clinton was a part of the town of Kilingworth until 1838 when Clinton was incorporated as a town and began to keep its own records. Before 1838. all vitals records for Cinton would be recorded in the town of Killisworth. Towns in Connecticut have been required by law to keep birth, marriage, and death records since the mid 1600's. Although the earliest town governments were run by the local church, the towns were required to start keeping official town records that were not part of the church records. This occurred in the same time period that churches in Wethersfield and Hartford split, and the ministers of the churches and their loyal followers left the town and took the church records with them. When Connecticut colony was first settled the local governments were theocratic. The church was the governing power. After reading the early history of Hartford and Wethersfield, and the problems that arose with this system. The government was "democratic" in the sense that the people elected the civic leaders. However the only people who ere allowed to vote were the men who were members of the church for that location. The early history of this country and the theocratic local governments is very interesting. It sure gives another dimension to the insistence by some of the original colonies that the separation of church and state amendment be added to the U. S. Constitution before they would accept it. Although people with many different religious beliefs came to this country in the early 1600's, any man who wanted to be able to vote had to join the local congregational church. To join the church he had to be accepted into membership by the congregation, and that was not easy to do. By the 1650, the local congregational churches were refusing to accept everybody who wished to join, and this included the children of their own members. This was also a time when serious disagreements about church doctrine were raging. I'm not an expert on this, but I have been reading some about the early history of Hartford and Wethersfield. It's interesting reading when you live right where it al happened and you can recognize the places being described. Marilyn CT On Mon, 6 May 2002 02:23:29 EDT [email protected] writes: > Hello List.. > > I have just finished putting out the last of the Clinton Marriages > that I > have been able to find at the FHL. These marriages are from 1801 - > 1854. > (This is good as Clinton was not an official town until about 1832). > Turns > out, several people went in and registered themselves, their wives > and > children. > > This can be reached at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jcstreig/ > > I have also submitted the Birth and Death records from this first > volume onto > the regular subscriber contriubted data base option. I did not > really want > to put that on my website at this time. > > As usual, please let me know if there are errors on your family > names--the > Town Clerk's L and S just looked exactly alike... > > Regards, > Janece > [email protected] > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Visit the Godfrey Memorial Library Website > http://www.godfrey.org > Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello List.. I have just finished putting out the last of the Clinton Marriages that I have been able to find at the FHL. These marriages are from 1801 - 1854. (This is good as Clinton was not an official town until about 1832). Turns out, several people went in and registered themselves, their wives and children. This can be reached at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jcstreig/ I have also submitted the Birth and Death records from this first volume onto the regular subscriber contriubted data base option. I did not really want to put that on my website at this time. As usual, please let me know if there are errors on your family names--the Town Clerk's L and S just looked exactly alike... Regards, Janece [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stickles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/xY.2ADI/414 Message Board Post: My father and uncle (Stickles) moved to Middletown at some point during their childhood. They would have attended school during the period from 1924 to about 1938. Does anyone have any information about what schools were in Middletown during that period and how to obtain a listing and/or school annual of the students attending? Thanks for any info!