> My records determined that Abigail never married, and that her > parents, Peleg and Sarah (Dudley) Redfield, were buried in the Old > Cemetery in Killingworth with other family members. Based on that, Scott > and the finder of the marker joined up, drove to the Cemetery in > Killingworth, and gently placed Abigail's marker next to those of her > parents. It might not be in the right spot, but at least it's no longer > in a field miles away. They were kind enough to send me a photo of the > marker; also that of Peleg, the father. Ray, are the photos digital, or could they be scanned? If so, I'd love to have them for the site. We now have between 300 and 400 gravestone photos on line thanks to people like Janece, Coralynn, Dave from Long Island and others who have sent them to me. RootsWeb hasn't complained yet about the sudden increase in size of the site, so the more photos, the merrier! Jane list mom http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/

In a message dated 6/24/2004 11:53:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, RDown3657@aol.com writes: <<My records determined that Abigail never married, and that her parents, Peleg and Sarah (Dudley) Redfield, were buried in the Old Cemetery in Killingworth with other family members. Based on that, Scott and the finder of the marker joined up, drove to the Cemetery in Killingworth, and gently placed Abigail's marker next to those of her parents. It might not be in the right spot, but at least it's no longer in a field miles away. They were kind enough to send me a photo of the marker; also that of Peleg, the father.>> Ray, what a great story! I wish that everyone would make that extra effort. Trew Sterling, State President of the Connecticut Society Children of the American Revolution, agrees. His State President's Project this year is Caring for Our Cemeteries. Each of the local C.A.R. societies in CT are to help take care of, maintain, beautify, etc., the little local cemeteries in or near their communities. Members in several societies have learned how to properly clean the headstones, which they do under adult supervision. another society is using a digital camera to photograph the headstones in their local burying ground, in order to have a record of some of the stones that are fast deteriorating. If you know of a neglected burying ground that could use a hand, please email me privately and I will put it on the list. We probably don't have to worry about the cemeteries in the photographs Jane has posted, but I know there are others out there... Lynn

Thanks Jane. I would run over and take pictures myself, but I am in AZ and it is 106 here. Way too hot to go anywhere. Thanks for the help, maybe I will get lucky. If I happen to get them, I will let you post them if you like. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Devlin" <janedevlin@ameritech.net> To: <CTMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTMID] photos > >> Jane, I am looking for a headstone photo of my 4th great grandparents, >> Seth and Martha Roberts. Seth Died April 12, 1801 in Middletown, >> Middlesex, CT and and is buried in Mortimer Cemetery, Middletown, CT. I >> don't know if his wife remarried or not, cause I don't have the >> information on her. I got the information from your CT site. I was >> wondering if you have any pictures of that cemetery or plots. > > No, just about every photo I have is on the site except the ones Ray just > submitted and a couple still from Janece. I live in Michigan, so as much > as I'd love to, I can't run over to a cemetery and take pictures.. Does > anyone have photos from the Mortimer Cemetery that they'd be willing to > submit? Best of all, does anyone have photos of Mike's ancestors?? > > > > Jane > list mom > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > You can search the archives for the list at > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CTMIDDLE > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ---------------------------------------------------- > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. >

In a message dated 6/23/04 10:39:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LynnBull@aol.com writes: > . I've come across it while > Googling Redfields! > Heh, heh! I love the phrase! Thanks for that info. I hard copied it and put the page in my Redfield book.

In a message dated 6/23/04 10:01:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Streig3@aol.com writes: > >Why wouldn't they have put up a stone to the man, any idea? Too poor? > Vandals often make off with them. One of my most satisfying genealogical experiences was receiving an e-mail out of the blue about four years ago from a man named Scott Redfield, of Milford, CT. He had found my name on a web site as a contributor to the Redfield family history. It seems that he, in turn, got a phone call from a man who owned some vacant property near Milford, and he found a grave stone on his property engraved "Abigail Redfield, d. 22 Nov 1782, age 28". The finder looked in the local phone book to see if there were any Redfields listed, which is how he found Scott. Scott, in turn, inquired of me if I could determine where Abigail was buried, as the two of them in Milford would like to return the stone to where it belonged. My records determined that Abigail never married, and that her parents, Peleg and Sarah (Dudley) Redfield, were buried in the Old Cemetery in Killingworth with other family members. Based on that, Scott and the finder of the marker joined up, drove to the Cemetery in Killingworth, and gently placed Abigail's marker next to those of her parents. It might not be in the right spot, but at least it's no longer in a field miles away. They were kind enough to send me a photo of the marker; also that of Peleg, the father. I still get a warm feeling thinking of that experience. -- Ray

Jane, I am looking for a headstone photo of my 4th great grandparents, Seth and Martha Roberts. Seth Died April 12, 1801 in Middletown, Middlesex, CT and and is buried in Mortimer Cemetery, Middletown, CT. I don't know if his wife remarried or not, cause I don't have the information on her. I got the information from your CT site. I was wondering if you have any pictures of that cemetery or plots. So far I have photos from 3rd great grandparents through my parents and would like to go further if possible. I thought you were a good choice to ask. Thanks, Mike Roberts

I have a better one for you all I found my husband's uncle on census and mortuary book,but at church they have no record or stone. Now a mystery. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Streig3@aol.com> To: <CTMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:00 AM Subject: [CTMID] Tombstones > >Why wouldn't they have put up a stone to the man, any idea? Too poor? > > Lynn, > > I have an ancestor, Robert CARTER, that in the debts due from the estate show > 2:5:0 paid for a coffin, but there is no marker. The probate does not show > any money included in the estate, just personal items. No one has ever found > his marker--at least not in Connecticut. > > Same thing with Robert's great, great grandson, Samuel Orvis CARTER. I have > his probate record with a payment made for a marker and it is not there in the > cemetery where he was buried. In that cemetery, the sexton even checked the > space next to his wife, and yes, there is a man buried next to her. It was > not for lack of money. > > Could be that there was no one to make the marker or the man that made > markers fell behind or died and the family never got around to having another made. > If you look at the marker for Hannah CARTER (on Jane's site), Robert's first > wife, you will see it is a fieldstone and very roughly cut at best. If you > did not know it was for Hannah CARTER, you would pass it by--not even her full > name, just initials placed on it. > > Having walked over a few of these really old cemeteries in CT, MA, and NY, > some of them give me the shivers because there is so much "open space" between > markers. Chances are, this is not "open space" but burials that never had a > marker or the marker was lost. > > One of the best reference books I purchased was "Your Guide to Cemetery > Research" by Sharon DeBartolo CARMACK. An excellent resource--wish I would have > read it before I went to Indian River and the other cemeteries there on the East > Coast. > > I love cemetery research and am always looking to learn more about it. > > Janece > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the Middlesex County, CT Mailing List > List Mom - Jane Devlin janedevlin@ameritech.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 6/24/2004 12:25:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, RDown3657@aol.com writes: >> My ancestor, William Redfield, was buried in "the old yard by the river" >> but >> no stone marks his grave, according to the "Genealogical History of the >> Redfield Family" that Ray mentioned. >> > Ray here again, Lynn. I have a notation under William Redfield (the > same) that he is also listed on the DAR Patriot Index, page 559. Other than > making that notation, I haven't followed through further. Might be worth > contacting the DAR for info on him. > (P.S.....I descend from Josiah, the next born of Theophilus after > William). Hi Ray! I joined the DAR using William's service as a patriot -- he appears in "The Record of Connecticut Men in the Military and Naval Service During the War of the Revolution 1775 – 1783" on page 431: Quarter-Master's Department: William Redfield.......Middletown.......Commissary of Clothing and Refreshments from July, '77, to Nov., '80. ----------- His appointment appears in the "Public Records of the State of Connecticut from October 1776 to February 1778, inclusive" on page 336. William Redfield is also referenced in Hinman's Services of Connecticut in the Revolutionary War, Vol I, pg 454. I have not seen the reference myself, but that is how it is listed on my grandmother's DAR application. My grandmother was the granddaughter of Anna Maria Redfield Frazier, who was the great-granddaughter of William Redfield. Anna Maria was the first member of my direct line to join the DAR and is listed in one of the DAR Lineage Books. She was DAR #26276. You have a nice web site, by the way, Ray. I've come across it while Googling Redfields! Lynn

>Why wouldn't they have put up a stone to the man, any idea? Too poor? Lynn, I have an ancestor, Robert CARTER, that in the debts due from the estate show 2:5:0 paid for a coffin, but there is no marker. The probate does not show any money included in the estate, just personal items. No one has ever found his marker--at least not in Connecticut. Same thing with Robert's great, great grandson, Samuel Orvis CARTER. I have his probate record with a payment made for a marker and it is not there in the cemetery where he was buried. In that cemetery, the sexton even checked the space next to his wife, and yes, there is a man buried next to her. It was not for lack of money. Could be that there was no one to make the marker or the man that made markers fell behind or died and the family never got around to having another made. If you look at the marker for Hannah CARTER (on Jane's site), Robert's first wife, you will see it is a fieldstone and very roughly cut at best. If you did not know it was for Hannah CARTER, you would pass it by--not even her full name, just initials placed on it. Having walked over a few of these really old cemeteries in CT, MA, and NY, some of them give me the shivers because there is so much "open space" between markers. Chances are, this is not "open space" but burials that never had a marker or the marker was lost. One of the best reference books I purchased was "Your Guide to Cemetery Research" by Sharon DeBartolo CARMACK. An excellent resource--wish I would have read it before I went to Indian River and the other cemeteries there on the East Coast. I love cemetery research and am always looking to learn more about it. Janece

In a message dated 6/23/04 9:11:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LynnBull@aol.com writes: > My ancestor, William Redfield, was buried in "the old yard by the river" > but > no stone marks his grave, according to the "Genealogical History of the > Redfield Family" that Ray mentioned. > Ray here again, Lynn. I have a notation under William Redfield (the same) that he is also listed on the DAR Patriot Index, page 559. Other than making that notation, I haven't followed through further. Might be worth contacting the DAR for info on him. (P.S.....I descend from Josiah, the next born of Theophilus after William).

In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:29:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, tracyj1@comcast.net writes: <<There is also a monster genealogy I found in Guilford, CT town clerk's office that have Redfields. Sorry, I don't remember the title. >> Tracy, ooo, tell me more! Was it a printed genealogy book or a manuscript or what? My ancestor, William Redfield, was buried in "the old yard by the river" but no stone marks his grave, according to the "Genealogical History of the Redfield Family" that Ray mentioned. Since he died July 1813 and the book was published only some 47 years later, it's probably fairly accurate. I had speculated hopefully that perhaps the stone had fallen and been covered over by dirt, etc., over the years...but nahhhh. Why wouldn't they have put up a stone to the man, any idea? Too poor? Also, the book says that William Redfield kept an inn in Middletown and at one time had charge of the jail. His house and gardens were located "on the site of present-day Wesleyan University." Suggestions are welcome as to where I could find proofs of these statements. Thank you! Lynn

>I wonder if someday when I had money I replaced some. Would I have to ask >permission? I don't know much about the rules regarding cemeteries. Indian River does have an association that maintains the grounds, etc. We met the sexton when we visited in 2002. Never, in a million years, could you imagine how helpful he was to us in finding all these WRIGHTs and CARTERs. I would suggest to start with a letter to the Cemetery assocation and ask them your question. Unfortunately, I have no idea what is the address to help you. I did not even ask what they did with the old markers. My two Benjamins & Jane CARTER's markers are gone. Janece

In a message dated 6/23/04 8:31:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Streig3@aol.com writes: > We both squinted hard with this marker. I wonder how much > longer it will be there. Yeah, I often wonder the same. Kind of funny, though.....I have a copy of his signature in the Redfield genealogy book.....his marker is going, but his signature lives on.....lol..... -- Ray (whose paternal grandmother was a Redfield)

I did read what Janece said. I wonder if someday when I had money I replaced some. Would I have to ask permission? Tracy, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: <Streig3@aol.com> To: <CTMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:17 PM Subject: [CTMID] RE: Correction on Inscription > >Jane, my research on the Indian River Cemetery shows a correct death year > for MR. >DANIEL REDFIELD as Jan 20 1788. > > Thank you so much Ray. Jane & I both had a hard time with this one. When > you look at this one, even in negative form, it sort of looks like someone > dropped acid on it. We both squinted hard with this marker. I wonder how much > longer it will be there. Many of these old brownstone ones are falling down and > some are being replaced with flat markers. It is costly to replace and this > cemetery association has a fund, which pays for the replacement markers. > > Regards, > Janece > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the Middlesex County, CT Mailing List > List Mom - Jane Devlin janedevlin@ameritech.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

There is also a monster genealogy I found in Guilford, CT town clerk's office that have Redfields. Sorry, I don't remember the title. Tracy, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: <RDown3657@aol.com> To: <CTMIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: [CTMID] Correction on inscription > Jane, my research on the Indian River Cemetery shows a correct death year > for MR. DANIEL REDFIELD as Jan 20 1788. He was the oldest son of the entry > above his name, Capt. Daniel Redfield. Time does dissolve those old carvings, > unfortunately. The family has been extensively researched. My source for > Daniel's correct death year is "Genealogical History of the Redfield Family in the > United States", by John Howard Redfield, 1860. > My continuing thanks for your superb efforts. Ray in Las Vegas, NV > > > ==== CTMIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Visit the Godfrey Memorial Library Website > http://www.godfrey.org > Middletown, Middlesex Co., CT > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

> Jane, my research on the Indian River Cemetery shows a correct death > year > for MR. DANIEL REDFIELD as Jan 20 1788. He was the oldest son of the > entry above his name, Capt. Daniel Redfield. Time does dissolve those old > carvings, unfortunately. The family has been extensively researched. My > source for Daniel's correct death year is "Genealogical History of the > Redfield Family in the United States", by John Howard Redfield, 1860. Thanks, Ray.. I'd corrected the file and credited you for providing both the date and the source. Glad to know that you like the site. Jane

>Jane, my research on the Indian River Cemetery shows a correct death year for MR. >DANIEL REDFIELD as Jan 20 1788. Thank you so much Ray. Jane & I both had a hard time with this one. When you look at this one, even in negative form, it sort of looks like someone dropped acid on it. We both squinted hard with this marker. I wonder how much longer it will be there. Many of these old brownstone ones are falling down and some are being replaced with flat markers. It is costly to replace and this cemetery association has a fund, which pays for the replacement markers. Regards, Janece

Jane, my research on the Indian River Cemetery shows a correct death year for MR. DANIEL REDFIELD as Jan 20 1788. He was the oldest son of the entry above his name, Capt. Daniel Redfield. Time does dissolve those old carvings, unfortunately. The family has been extensively researched. My source for Daniel's correct death year is "Genealogical History of the Redfield Family in the United States", by John Howard Redfield, 1860. My continuing thanks for your superb efforts. Ray in Las Vegas, NV

23 Jun 2004 - added Middlesex Co., CT, Gravestone Photos - 50+ new gravestones from Indian River Cemetery, Clinton; Upper Cemetery, Saybrook, Riverside Cemetery, Old Saybrook, all courtesy of Janece Streig, plus 6 new stones from Riverside Cemetery, Middletown, courtesy of Coralynn Brown All these files will be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ Jane Devlin List Mom DUNHAM - WILCOX - TROTT - KIRK over 1000 data files from CT, MA, RI, NJ, NY & MI

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