This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FE1F7CC3DFD4D1F5AC2B0B6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List Members, Mr. Mallory very kindly sent me a post privately for which I was remiss in not thanking him. So I will thank him now. But the reason I am forwarding my reply and his original post is to show how secondary sources can trip you up, even if they are by noted and highly competent genealogists and to show a discrpency in reports concerning the Foote family. Kay Allen AG --------------FE1F7CC3DFD4D1F5AC2B0B6D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3B19099B.4A4E715D@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 08:43:23 -0700 From: Kay Allen AG <allenk@pacbell.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen John Mallory <allen.mallory@snet.net> Subject: Re: [CTFAIRFI] FOOTE Ancestors References: <cd.753dae5.28492cb3@aol.com> <3B182E00.D97CEB4B@pacbell.net> <01f301c0eb64$596dd100$f9ebfea9@ccqn801> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a problem here. I cited TAG 53:206 for Robert, because that is what TAG 53:206 said. If Robert Charles Anderson claims that 53:206 says Nathaniel, he is mistaken unless he can show that a later issue of TAG states that 53:206 has a typographical error of Robert, when it should be Nathaniel or that there was a typographical error which was not caught. Unfortunately, he chose to cite 53:206 which does not state what he says it states and does not state that 53:206 is a typographical error which is shown by CCCR1:463. When I wrote that post, I had the germane pages in front of me. Specifically this is what p. 206 says, "In addition to onomastic evidence which is striking, baptisms of the two eldest children have now been found at Shalford, Essex, St. James's, as follows: daughter Elizabeth on 14 Jan. 1617/8 [married 1638, first child b. 1639], and Robert, 5 March 1619/20 [aet. 25 in 1644]." So either George E. McCracken, late editor of TAG, made an error or Robert Charles Anderson made a mistake. In Mr. Anderson's case, there are two possibilities, he mistook Robert for Nathaniel or failed to point out the previously existing error. This well illustrates the problems in using secondary materials, even by highly competent and noted genealogists. Kay Allen AG Allen John Mallory wrote: > Your citation to TAG has been supplanted by the latest "The Great Migration" > vol. 2 (C-F) page 542, to wit: > Nathaniel Foote, bp. Shalford, Essex, 5 March 1619/20 [TAG 53:206] (aged "24 > years" on 20 November 1844 [CCCR 1:463]; m. by 1647 Elizabeth Smith, > daughter of Samuel Smith {1634, Watertown} (eldest known child b. > Wethersfield 10 January 1647 [WetVT Barbour 107, citing "LR1:12"); on 23 > September 1655, the eldest child of Nathaniel was "Nathaniel, aged 7" > [Manwaring 1:113]; his will of 23 June 1680, Samuel Smith of Hadley included > a bequest to "my daughter Elizabeth Gull" [HamCCR 1:213-14]). She m. (2) by > 1657 William Gull [NEHGR 152:175]. > > Allen John Mallory > Danbury, Connecticut > allen.mallory@snet.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Allen AG" <allenk@pacbell.net> > To: <CTFAIRFI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CTFAIRFI] FOOTE Ancestors > > Questions, comments, and corrections interspersed below. > > Up2Nutrix@aol.com wrote > > > OK; you asked for it -- here goes! (I've run this as the ancestors of > > Elizabeth Foote, who was the child of Nathaniel Foote, Jr., who shows up > in > > my husband's line) > > > > Doris Stanford in Colorado > > > > Ancestors of Elizabeth FOOTE > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > Snipped to save bandwidth. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > 2. Nathaniel FOOTE, Jr.5, born March 05, 1619/20 in St. James Parish, > > Ipswich, Suffolk, England6; > > In The American Genealogist, October 1977, 53:206, this birthdate belongs to > his > brother Robert. Also it is St. James' Parish, Shalford, Essex, not Ipswich, > Suffolk. > > He married > > > 3. Elizabeth SMITH June 07, 1655 in Wethersfield, Hartford County, CT6. > > What is your evidence for the marriage? I have their son Daniel as being > born > 1652. > > > > > 3. Elizabeth SMITH7, born Abt. 1627 in Hadleigh, Suffolk, England8; > > Elizabeth was baptized 28 January 1627 at Hadleigh, Suffolk. > > > died > > 1711 in Hadley, Hampshire County, MA8. She was the daughter of 6. > Lieutenant > > > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > 4. Nathaniel FOOTE, Sr.9, born September 21, 1592 in Shalford, > > Colchester, Essex, England10; > > What is your citation for this birth date? Could it be a baptismal date? > Usually > what is seen are baptismal dates as birth records do not exist that early. > Shgalford and Colchester are not the smae. Shalford is a parish in its own > right. > > He married 5. Elizabeth DEMING January 1614/15 in Colchester, > > Again, what is your evidence for this marriage, marriage date, and place? I > have not seen where is is definitely proven that Nathaniel's wife was a > Deming, > even though she called Jonathan Deming brother in her will. > > > Snipped. > > > > > 7. Elizabeth SMITH, born 1602 in England; died March 16, 1685/86 in > > South Hadley, Hampshire County, MA. > > Married Lt. Samuel Smith 6 October 1624, St. Margaret's, Whatfield, Suffolk. > Her birth date is estimated from her age in the passenger list of 1634. TAG > 32. > The Connecticut Nutmegger 6:297 etseq. has more on this family. On p. 300, > it > states that Samuel Smith of Ipswich, Suffolk had two sons, one of whom was > Samuel baptized 19 July 1575 who was the fathe of Lt. Samuel. As of 1973, > this > had not been verified. > > > > > > > Generation No. 4 > > > > 8. Robert FOOTE II, born Abt. 1553 in Royston, Cambridgeshire, or > > Shalford, Essex, England14; died Bef. February 15, 1607/08 in Shalford, > > Essex, England14. > > He probably died in London between 27 January 1608/9 when his will was made > in > London and 15 February 1608/09, when it was proved (PCC 21 Dorset). He was > buried at Shalford 16 Feb. 1608/09. TAG 53:201. > > > > > 9. Joan BROOKE, born Bef. May 11, 1555 in St. Leonard's, Eastcheap, > > London, England; died Aft. 1609. > > She was baptized as Johan, 11 May 1555 at St. Leonard's Eastcheap, London. > TAG55:203. October 1979. She might have been baptized on the day of her > birth, > so you are making an assumption, which may or may not be warrented, as to > when > she was born. > > Snipped. > > > Generation No. 5 > > > > 16. John FOOTE, Sr., born 1523 in Royston, Hertfordshire or > > Cambridgeshire, England14; died Bef. July 18, 1558 in Bassingbourn, > > Cambridgeshire, England14. > > I do not know of any evidence which gives a specific date or place of birth > for > John. Also I do not know of any evidence which shows he died in > Bassingbourne. > > > > > snipped. > > > > > He married 19. Elizabeth WHATMAN or Waterman May 08, 1554 in St. > > Leonard's, Eastcheap, London, England. > > 19. Elizabeth WHATMAN or Waterman, born Abt. 1536 in Cletchingley, > Surrey, > > England; died June 1599 in London, England. > > The name is Whatman, also spelled Whetman. This name is found in > Bletchingley, > Surrey. > > > snipped. > > > > Generation No. 6 > > > > 34. Richard WARREN, born Abt. 1501 in England; died Bef. May 02, 1557 > > He was more probably born about 1505 according to an article in The > Genealogists' Magazine September 1935. His name was Warren alias Waller. > The > family was of Long Stowe and Bassingbourne, Cambridgeshire. He also had an > inquision post mortem. > > > > > > > 35. Alice JENAWAY, born Abt. 1505 in England; died Unknown. > > The Jenaways were probably of Long Stowe. She had an uncle John, to whom her > husband left a bequest. > > > > > 36. Robert BROOKE, born Abt. 1495 in England; died July 11, 1551 in > > England. > > Hw was buried as "an Aged man" on 28 June 1551. > > > He married 37. Katheryn WOODDE Abt. 1516. > > There is no way to positively calculate a marriage date. > > > > > 37. Katheryn WOODDE, born Abt. 1500 in Kent, England; died March > 1565/66 > > in London, England. > > There is absolutely no proof that she was born a Woode. She mentions a Woode > in > her will, but that does not indicate that she was a Woode. Her maiden name > is > unknown, as is her birth date. It should read possibly about 1500. She was > probably born in Milton or Iwade, Kent. > > > > > > > Generation No. 7 > > > > 68. William WARREN, born Unknown; died Unknown. He was the son of > 136. > > Anthony WARREN > > William was alive in 1541 and d. 1557. I know of no proof or evidence that > his > father was named Anthony. > > > > > snipped. > > Kay Allen AG > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --------------FE1F7CC3DFD4D1F5AC2B0B6D--