For Phil: This summer, while at the Newberry Library in Chicago, I used this book. They will make copies for you: "John Hopkins of Cambridge, MA, 1634, and Some of His Descendants, by Timothy Hopkins 1932, Stanford University Press, at Newberry Library, Chicago, Call # E7 H77815 #453 " Here's the line I am researching: Selden9, Oney8, Truman7, John6, Elias5, Ebenezer4, Ebenezer3, Stephen2. Maria's suggestion that you order the set of fiche from the FHC is a great one. In fact, I'm going to do just that, so I can go back to it whenever the need arises. Alleen-Marie Coke